Can warriors server as a dps member of a group?

[Safon]

Or are they only capable of being tanks really

[Dokuton]

I've seen some warriors do crazy damage at early levels (25ish) doing crushing blows for 250 dmg. Not sure how they stack up late game though, I would think they would just get stronger.

[Splorf22]

Azzudniz tells the guild, '/G Gwan in 114s, 24k @209dps --- Atravesar 6k @60dps (26.73%) --- Stun 5k @46dps (21.68%) --- Sakuragi 5k @48dps (21.17%) --- Azzudniz 5k @94dps (20.94%) --- Snoogan 2k @21dps (9.47%)'

Atravesar - 60 Rogue (epic/blood point), Stun - 59 Monk (tstaff), Sakuragi - 60 Warrior (sarnak warhammer/wurmslayer), Azzudniz - 60 Wizard, Snoogan - 60 Paladin (epic, tanking).

[Ephirith]

This is my perception based on your typical player, ignoring exceptional people doing exceptional or quirky things. Made this in like 2 mins and it's not meant to be all that accurate more a general idea of how I see dps comparing between classes.

Let me know if I'm completely fucking wrong

(Sustained dps over the course of a group, not burning down a boss)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3818/dpsrn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/dpsrn.jpg/)

[Splorf22]

Wizards are probably even below bards for sustained dps to be honest.

For xp groups I would guess Mages and Necros beat out Warriors and Rangers by a bit; for raid mobs not so much because of resists.

I guess if I had to throw out numbers i would say:

Enc/110 Rog/85 Monk/65 War/Rng/Nec/Mag 55 Shm/40 Sk/Pal 35 Bard 25 Wiz/Dru/Clr 18

[Peekae]

That being said Warriors with level 60 offensive disc up can put out some pretty decent damage

[Boilon]

what about a warrior with oggok cleaver and good haste, and under 40% for cripplings :P?

[webrunner5]

This is my perception based on your typical player, ignoring exceptional people doing exceptional or quirky things. Made this in like 2 mins and it's not meant to be all that accurate more a general idea of how I see dps comparing between classes.

Let me know if I'm completely fucking wrong

(Sustained dps over the course of a group, not burning down a boss)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3818/dpsrn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/dpsrn.jpg/)

I think I would have to put a Shaman in between the Sk and Pally, Bard. I agree with the rest.

As a off and on Cleric here and live, I will take a Warrior any day to heal in a group. They have slow and steady DPS and slow and steady health decreases. Predictable. They can take a real beating well geared.

[bled12345]

Are there better DPS of course, can warriors contribute good steady DPS, absolutely.

Before I quit, when kunark first came out, I remember using my 54 disc with dual wurmslayers and quadding for about 450 a hit, almost 2k dps a swing :D with plane of sky haste belt and enchanter haste in seb.. The mob died waaay before my disc timer ran out haha

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:( I Miss playing as bashndash lol

[Elements]

This is my perception based on your typical player, ignoring exceptional people doing exceptional or quirky things. Made this in like 2 mins and it's not meant to be all that accurate more a general idea of how I see dps comparing between classes.

Let me know if I'm completely fucking wrong

(Sustained dps over the course of a group, not burning down a boss)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3818/dpsrn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/dpsrn.jpg/)

It really depends what level range you are looking at and also if the warrior is tanking or doing his dps from the back. Sure a war can contribite significant sustained dps but in practicality I cant see a group taking a war over a rogue if both are level appropriate and available unless it its your friends/guildies sending the invite.

[Nordenwatch]

I was in a group once when I was in my 40's where the warrior stayed at 30% HP to increase his DPS, it was pretty amazing how much DPS the warrior could do. If you don't taunt and don't have any offensive proc weps (ykesha, snare, stun, etc) you won't take aggro from a monk using an Addy club. Its dangerous for the war but I have noticed it increases their DPS quite significantly.

[username17]

I believe warriors can DPS. But the only place where it's generally accepted is on raids when you have extra warriors that are not tanking.

My only comment is on Ephirith's graph is the Rogue vs Chanter Charm pet.

I did a lot of King camp (as a rogue) with a chanter and his pet.
The pet would out DPS me if I did not spend 100% of my time behind the mob (aggro ping pong, for example).
But if I stayed behind the mob I would pull aggro.
However, I was Discing on every pull. Since we only pulled once every 30 minutes.

[Arrisard]

Bard's DPS isn't quite a terrible as most people believe in ideal, yet certainly attainable, circumstances. The trouble is the mob has to be unmoving, not resistant to several saves, and then the most likely reason; people in a group would let that happen since the other stuff like regen resists etc would be instantly missed.

I'm not saying it'd be anything to write home about, but they can beat out knights at the least in those circumstances. The gap gets much wider in Velious, though. Instrument modifiers don't increase very much for the same DPS songs that don't get upgraded relatively compared to the increases melee DPS gets in that expansion is just huge. I didn't agree with what that Thott dude said about a lot of stuff, but the article he wrote about this was actually pretty factual and legitimate.

[Tecmos Deception]

My only comment is on Ephirith's graph is the Rogue vs Chanter Charm pet.

I did a lot of King camp (as a rogue) with a chanter and his pet.
The pet would out DPS me if I did not spend 100% of my time behind the mob (aggro ping pong, for example).
But if I stayed behind the mob I would pull aggro.
However, I was Discing on every pull. Since we only pulled once every 30 minutes.

And a SK does thousands of DPS for the tenth of a second that he spends using his HT once every 72 minutes. But is that relevant when discussing a chart about sustained DPS in relatively practical situations? Of course not.

I'm confused by your post anyways. "The pet does more DPS than me unless I'm behind the mob all the time, except I am never behind the mob all of the time." Oh yeah? Well my wizard does almost 200 DPS when he has unlimited mana and no aggro!

[orsk]

Warrior and ranger DPS is not matching in any way shape or form in a raid setting MAYBE a group due to relatively low HP mobs. Warriors critical mechanic will out dps a ranger, mind you the warrior must have the gear and weapons to do so. It was mentioned about the Berserker frenzy status warriors achieve from 35%. and hold till they hit 40%+ hp which they go back to reg status. On raids it is easy to keep a war berserk with a duel and set the wars hp accordingly, it can be dangerous, but the damage put out with crippling blows along with the added stun is undeniable. Most people have trouble wrapping their bluebie brain around the possibilities warriors can achieve over any other class while berserk. Its very easy for a berserk warrior to cripple for 400+ with a wurmy, factor in gear and buffs and haste, its ownage.

[McMuffins]

And a SK does thousands of DPS for the tenth of a second that he spends using his HT once every 72 minutes. But is that relevant when discussing a chart about sustained DPS in relatively practical situations? Of course not.

I'm confused by your post anyways. "The pet does more DPS than me unless I'm behind the mob all the time, except I am never behind the mob all of the time." Oh yeah? Well my wizard does almost 200 DPS when he has unlimited mana and no aggro!

Thousands of damage per second in a tenth of a second = time lord

[Nirgon]

Wizards are so bad.

Meanwhile, I'm sure people cry to get their chars into AoE groups.

Right tool for the job bros.

Up next, let's try parsing a rogue vs 4 mobs in burning woods or timorous deep or measure that xp per hour.

Now let's consider how much gear a wizard "needs" to be effective.

[Ele]

Can they? Yes.

Are they the best? No.

[Slave]

Magician and Necromancer are substantially better DPS than Warrior for 90% of the game. Warriors might start to catch up with itemization in Velious.

[pharmakos]

my level 41 warrior was the lowest character at a Chardok raid the other night. i parsed the logs afterwards, and he was in the middle of the DPS rankings.

[Ephirith]

my level 41 warrior was the lowest character at a Chardok raid the other night. i parsed the logs afterwards, and he was in the middle of the DPS rankings.

That probably has more to do with you parsing above hybrids, certain pets, and semi-afk people than it does you doing exceptional dps.

[rekreant]

I believe the key is a high str.

[Vladesch]

Let me know if I'm completely fucking wrong

For necros it depends on what you are fighting and how mucch dps you already have in the group.
For long fights necros have one of the highest sustained dps.
Most xp groups (pre luclin) kill the mob way before the dots get a chance to do much so their dps is quite poor.

[Zenlina]

Before i stopped, my warrior out dps a whole KC group. Always was top 5 dps in raid situations, and in cripple mode out dps monks. So yes warrior in group can serve as DPS fine, wif no downtime and backup tank.

[Tecmos Deception]

Before i stopped, my warrior out dps a whole KC group. Always was top 5 dps in raid situations, and in cripple mode out dps monks. So yes warrior in group can serve as DPS fine, wif no downtime and backup tank.

What level and gear? So what if a VP-geared, 60 warrior can smash face in KC. That's not remotely close to the same thing as talking about a normally-geared 52 warrior trying to DPS in the same zone (especially if he isn trying to stay berserk).

You didn't out dps monks (or therefore rogues) unless you were getting crippling blows... but you were always top 5 in raids? So TMO raided with fewer than 4 monks and/or rogues (hell, and/or wizards, too)? Or did you berserk for every raid? Lol.

[Bubbles]

depends on level, like others have said.. But a mage or necro that low on the dps chart is surfing porn semi-afk.

[pharmakos]

That probably has more to do with you parsing above hybrids, certain pets, and semi-afk people than it does you doing exceptional dps.

definitely wasn't looking at pets

i was semi-afk too

the idea that warriors are crappy DPS is just a myth.