Greed rolls on this "classic server"

[Mishami]

I don't understand why most people greed roll everything in high end groups. In live if a group did that they were known as loot whores... Personally if I win a greed roll I do feel it's unfair to win another and another before anyone wins anything. Thats a personal thing though I'm a nice person. I think the problem may be greedy loot whores determined the loot consensus based off selfishness and just saying its easier justify their own greed...I think those people at the same time are probably jackass's in rl as well. You do see a lot of that on this server though. Nothing like rodcet nife. Atleast on that server there were scamers and greedy people but they were known to the rest of the server and were excluded from the high end guilds and groups... I would really like to hear opinions on this because that was not my live "classic" experience and feels like a bunch of wow players are determining the rules for this server rather than the people who actually played live. I mean how does it make sense anyway? 1 person can win 5 loots while no one else wins a damn thing? I know there are not server rules set up in this case but in live there was always player guidelines or does anyone remember that?

[Urbanzkopf]

this debate has been done to death, if you want NBG in groups go with pals or a guild run, if a random group then make sure you know the loot rules before you continue to avoid arguments and shitstorms

[Barkingturtle]

The average P99 player is about fifteen years younger than the average EQ player was in 1999. These are not the same people you remember gaming with back then.

Honestly though, if someone in your group wins five greed rolls in a row and no one says anything and you stay in the group it's kinda on you. You've got some responsibility to be assertive, too.

[Mishami]

I'm talking about greed rolls not nbg. Just saying it's unfair for someone to loot 5 greed items before another member loots 1 and should be considered common sense but to the majority of groups I have been in it's not. Then again they do find it hard to work a rotation system. so they may just be mentaly impaired.

[shooteneq1]

I bet you voted for obama!

[SamwiseRed]

i leveled to 60 exclusively on pickup groups in classic. i dont remember much but i do remember it was always nbg. the big difference between live and p99 is p99 has very few casuals or RPers. this game is srs business now.

[fastboy21]

pretty sure this has been argued since 1999...

my opinion is that **any** loot rule is find as long as all players agree to it before any items drop. if you don't like the rules the leader offers you when you join a group you shouldn't join.

we all have out pet peeves...mine is when folks keep ninja looting cash drops instead of focusing on whatever would make the grp kill faster and get more exp.

[Mishami]

pretty sure this has been argued since 1999...

my opinion is that **any** loot rule is find as long as all players agree to it before any items drop. if you don't like the rules the leader offers you when you join a group you shouldn't join.

we all have out pet peeves...mine is when folks keep ninja looting cash drops instead of focusing on whatever would make the grp kill faster and get more exp.


I'm pretty sure it has not been argued since 99...Not on my server. I mean yeah there were people who did consider doing that but I never seen many of them at all even in pickup groups on live. If anyone played on rodcet nife they should be able to confirm that easy. It was a server wide consesus. There were also people who looted all the items off peoples corpses at one point too you know its a choice of how to play I just choose not to condone or be associated with people like that. The main reason I made this point is because it seems like a consesus on this server to do that but it wasn't a consesus on live probably because people who didn't play live created it..

[Vadd]

I bet you voted for obama!

Vadd likes this.

[Acillatem]

He's not talking about NBG, he's talking about the same person winning multiple greed rolls. /shrug I always try to do a hand-me-down system when I put together a group.

5k item drops. Player A wins roll.
20k item drops. Player A wins roll, but hands 5k item to 2nd highest roller.

etc.

[theguyy]

He's not talking about NBG, he's talking about the same person winning multiple greed rolls. /shrug I always try to do a hand-me-down system when I put together a group.

5k item drops. Player A wins roll.
20k item drops. Player A wins roll, but hands 5k item to 2nd highest roller.

etc.

This is what I use and seems like the best option from what I've seen. Simply because the average p99 player is not trustworthy.

I've seen people roll need on an item and try to sell it in the same day while still wearing what they were wearing. When people pay monthly they care a lot more about their reputation then when it's free.

[mostbitter]

Essentially a bunch of greedy jerks set the precedent for the blue server and you get left with this awful blue server which should be inhabited by hand holding friendly types but is actually a less inviting community than counter strike

[Kika Maslyaka]

1 person can win 5 loots while no one else wins a damn thing?

normal greed roll usually implies that everyone can roll on everything regardless of CLASS requirements. But when person wins something, then he usually passes on rolling until everyone in the group gets some loot too, or he gives up what he allready won, or he trades the loot around, or something like that.

If one person keeps rolling and keeps taking all the loot - then yeah its loot whoring.

As for normal NBG see this

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87365

[Ciel]

The random-ing for every greed drops stops people from getting their pricey loot, and just dropping out of group because they wont see anything else for a long time. If you alpha greed loot, that example could happen, but also could be unfair to new members joining, or vested group members. The hand-me-down system seems alright, but also seems like it could get jumbled up with new players coming and going from group.

Greed rolls also help entice level 60 people who don't need exp to join up with a 'pick up' group, if we're talking about higher-end grouping.

I like groups that random-greed everything, personally. Just fair all around. Could walk away with a lot of goodies one day, nothing the next. But again..check with group about loot-rules BEFORE something drops, or deal with the bitch-fest later.

[Slave]

What it comes down to is fairness. Anything that anyone ever wants to roll on, they can. Other methods leave too much open to interpretation and people taking advantage. Guild groups should be the opposite, which is effectively just people passing their rolls more. Easy.

[Llaile]

Trade up system ftw.

[Swish]

(P99) is actually a less inviting community than counter strike

Funny guy :)

[fastboy21]

I'm pretty sure it has not been argued since 99...Not on my server. I mean yeah there were people who did consider doing that but I never seen many of them at all even in pickup groups on live. If anyone played on rodcet nife they should be able to confirm that easy. It was a server wide consesus. There were also people who looted all the items off peoples corpses at one point too you know its a choice of how to play I just choose not to condone or be associated with people like that. The main reason I made this point is because it seems like a consesus on this server to do that but it wasn't a consesus on live probably because people who didn't play live created it..

Just because you weren't taking part in it (for whatever reason, your server, etc.) doesn't mean that it wasn't going on.

I'm pretty sure I remember hearing the phrase "loot whore" and reading my first need vs. greed argument less than a month after the live launch. I'm not sure if the terms existed before EQ, but they were definitely in use and being argued about almost from launch day on EQ message boards.

[Mishami]

The random-ing for every greed drops stops people from getting their pricey loot, and just dropping out of group because they wont see anything else for a long time. If you alpha greed loot, that example could happen, but also could be unfair to new members joining, or vested group members. The hand-me-down system seems alright, but also seems like it could get jumbled up with new players coming and going from group.

Greed rolls also help entice level 60 people who don't need exp to join up with a 'pick up' group, if we're talking about higher-end grouping.

I like groups that random-greed everything, personally. Just fair all around. Could walk away with a lot of goodies one day, nothing the next. But again..check with group about loot-rules BEFORE something drops, or deal with the bitch-fest later.

I can see someone who wins 3-5 things a group saying its fair but not the person winning nothing because a loot system like this. bottom line it wasn't how it was in live for a reason. It was an option and worked well for profiling loot whores... Just so you know.

[Mishami]

Just because you weren't taking part in it (for whatever reason, your server, etc.) doesn't mean that it wasn't going on.

I'm pretty sure I remember hearing the phrase "loot whore" and reading my first need vs. greed argument less than a month after the live launch. I'm not sure if the terms existed before EQ, but they were definitely in use and being argued about almost from launch day on EQ message boards.

I did not take part in it because it inspires a bad personality type and for the last time I'm not talking about need before greed I'm talking about greed rolls and yes "loot whore" was invented because people wanting to roll on everything. I wish people had just actually played live so they know what they are talking about...

[theaetatus]

Sometimes you win a few items, sometimes you win none, that's the nature of RANDOM systems.

I've been in a lot of pickup groups here and 99% of them have been very friendly affairs. Just establish the rules beforehand.

I guess you lost a roll on something today and that got you pissed off enough to come here to vent?

[Clark]

/ran 100 is fair what are you talking about? I don't support this thread.

[Ciel]

I can see someone who wins 3-5 things a group saying its fair but not the person winning nothing because a loot system like this.
Like I said before..Ive been on the winning side, and losing side of this. Its called fair.

It was an option and worked well for profiling loot whores... Just so you know.
Loot whores? lol. Profile away, my friend.

[Mishami]

Sometimes you win a few items, sometimes you win none, that's the nature of RANDOM systems.

I've been in a lot of pickup groups here and 99% of them have been very friendly affairs. Just establish the rules beforehand.

I guess you lost a roll on something today and that got you pissed off enough to come here to vent?

No I'm making a point that people go by a loot rule like this are loot whores and this wasn't the loot rules of live. What if I go a week without winning anything and at the same time someone making 15k because the loot system is that way? the random system is there so people can random to win a item not to set the consesus of loot rules.. It's not like because you can random that the loot consesus is random...

[Mishami]

Like I said before..Ive been on the winning side, and losing side of this. Its called fair.


Loot whores? lol. Profile away, my friend.

wow i dont get how people cant understand that the people who think they deserve to roll on everything are loot whores.. go back to world of warcraft sir.

[Lynxvarn]

lol @ this comming up again in yet another form..... Personally, I have always set my groups as gbn even back in classic, it just makes more sense for EVERYONE in the group.

Basically....

Why is it so hard for people to understand that everyone in the group typically wants to have the same chances at getting an upgrade?

Why is it so hard for people to set loot rules prior to heading to a camp? Or even to call people out that are loot whoring, taking the majority of vendor trash, spam pickpocketing, etc?

Every time i see one of these threads it usually turns out that the OP ends up being inept at one of two things: Basic Math or Social Skills

[Ciel]

OP ends up being inept at one of two things: Basic Math or Social Skills

[Mishami]

lol @ this comming up again in yet another form..... Personally, I have always set my groups as gbn even back in classic, it just makes more sense for EVERYONE in the group.

Basically....

Why is it so hard for people to understand that everyone in the group typically wants to have the same chances at getting an upgrade?

Why is it so hard for people to set loot rules prior to heading to a camp? Or even to call people out that are loot whoring, taking the majority of vendor trash, spam pickpocketing, etc?

Every time i see one of these threads it usually turns out that the OP ends up being inept at one of two things: Basic Math or Social Skills

Then you were a loot whore even back in live... People who keep saying it makes more sense for everyone in the group are full of it. How does it benifit everyone in the group to exlclude people from loot because you just say its easier and how is it easier? because you can handle the mental preasure of the hand me down system? there is no fair point to this approach to looting. Its set up to make some people rich and some people poor. the bottom line is for the last time and trust me people this was the consesus on live. If you expect to roll on everything and win 5 things compared to someone who has been in your group as long or longer than you you are a loot whore. plain and simple... oh yeah loot whores are right up there with ninja looters... its just a repressed form of ninja looting cause they dont want to get ban.

[Ciel]

there is no fair point to this approach to looting. Its set up to make some people rich and some people poor.

RNG is holding people back, man.

[Hailto]

http://i.imgur.com/ulNNS.jpg

Any items that aren't no drop, have the potential to be an upgrade for anyone, the whole point of randoming is so a random person gets the loot, no one forces you to stay if someone is having good rolls. Get back to me when you play a shaman and have to roll against people to get one of of your most important spells. Deal with it.

[Spitty]

I agree with your image, and your sentiments. Losing Torpor to a necro, Malo to a monk and VotB like eight times over is just the reality of p99.

What's even dumber is NBGing shit to someone that's bright enough to immediately post it on the boards using an anonymous tag with a join date of that same day.

I get back by rolling on the JBB when I already have one. Muah, evil laugh.

[Splorf22]

I think this thread pops up because its basically a paradigm conflict. On the one hand we have the roleplayerish view of "I want to grab some friends, go out, kill some mobs, and get a few pixels" and on the other we have the minmax view of "I want to acquire loot, and pure greed is absolutely fair/does not have bad incentives for all non-monks to avoid KC etc".

The resolution to this conflict is simple: group with your ***** friends, and stop bitching about how random strangers should powerloot your char.

[theaetatus]

No I'm making a point that people go by a loot rule like this are loot whores and this wasn't the loot rules of live.

It's how loot worked on my old server in pickup groups.

How is someone a 'lootwhore' when they want the same chance of loot as the rest of the group?

[Zehv9]

EQ had many servers and of course varied loot rules.

If you're after a particular item, and you want the loot handled a particular way, you should talk to your group about it the moment you join. If you don't like how it will be handled, you deal with it or leave, simple as that.

There's a lot of people throwing out the term loot whore here and it's stupid. Honestly the whole everybody greed rolls everything method is the a 100% fair way to handle it. And by fair I mean it can't be abused since RNG decides everything.

People like to get worked up in a hurry, geez.

[Mishami]

EQ had many servers and of course varied loot rules.

If you're after a particular item, and you want the loot handled a particular way, you should talk to your group about it the moment you join. If you don't like how it will be handled, you deal with it or leave, simple as that.

There's a lot of people throwing out the term loot whore here and it's stupid. Honestly the whole everybody greed rolls everything method is the only 100% fair way to handle it. And by fair I mean it can't be abused since RNG decides everything.

People like to get worked up in a hurry, geez.


EQ had no sever rules about greed looting, it was something the people took upon themselves to sort out in a greedy way or a fair way.
so a ninja looter is what? someone who loots a item without permission right? a loot whore is what? someone that expects to roll on everything. loot system should and did work as such..
1st person to win something is out on next rolls unless the next item is worth more and if they win they give the item won last to 2nd highest ect
new members get pushed to the back of the que depending on how fast they jumped into the cycle like alpha on gems. Explain to me how its more fair for 1 person to potentially get all the loot in a group? Seriously stop talking bullshit everyone in favor of greed all and tell me how its more fair.

[Mishami]

http://i.imgur.com/ulNNS.jpg

Any items that aren't no drop, have the potential to be an upgrade for anyone, the whole point of randoming is so a random person gets the loot, no one forces you to stay if someone is having good rolls. Get back to me when you play a shaman and have to roll against people to get one of of your most important spells. Deal with it.

um that's a retarded point.. one of many where people tryin to justify their loot whore habbit. I made this thread because it effects the consensus of the server and if you do it now or did it in live you are still a "loot whore" the phrase was invented because of people like you so deal with that...

[Mishami]

I think this thread pops up because its basically a paradigm conflict. On the one hand we have the roleplayerish view of "I want to grab some friends, go out, kill some mobs, and get a few pixels" and on the other we have the minmax view of "I want to acquire loot, and pure greed is absolutely fair/does not have bad incentives for all non-monks to avoid KC etc".

The resolution to this conflict is simple: group with your ***** friends, and stop bitching about how random strangers should powerloot your char.

Greed all is strangers powerlooting someone's char moron. what im describing is making so everyone gets a loot...!!!!!! omfg

[Zehv9]

EQ had no sever rules about greed looting, it was something the people took upon themselves to sort out in a greedy way or a fair way.
so a ninja looter is what? someone who loots a item without permission right? a loot whore is what? someone that expects to roll on everything. loot system should and did work as such..
1st person to win something is out on next rolls unless the next item is worth more and if they win they give the item won last to 2nd highest ect
new members get pushed to the back of the que depending on how fast they jumped into the cycle like alpha on gems. Explain to me how its more fair for 1 person to potentially get all the loot in a group? Seriously stop talking bullshit everyone in favor of greed all and tell me how its more fair.


It's 100% fair because it can't be abused. It's also highly unlikely someone would get ALL the loot. Even so, you had the exact same chance to get ALL the loot as that person did. That's in no way unfair. You are acting like this is some kind of grand scheme on my part to rob you of loot.

There's nothing wrong with what you describe either. There's no reason to be hostile.

That thing I said about people getting worked up in a hurry? Yeah, just like this.

[Mishami]

It's 100% fair because it can't be abused. It's also highly unlikely someone would get ALL the loot. Even so, you had the exact same chance to get ALL the loot as that person did. That's in no way unfair. You are acting like this is some kind of grand scheme on my part to rob you of loot.

There's nothing wrong with what you describe either. There's no reason to be hostile.

That thing I said about people getting worked up in a hurry? Yeah, just like this.

How can the alpha system be abused? I have seen a person win all the loot in a group before as well...more than once and I know its not a grand scheme to rob someone of loot its just unfair to not just me but everyone. personally I feel if i win something the next thing that drops pending on its worth i would just give to the other person. I have no problem doing that because im not a selfish person that is my point.

[Silo69]

http://i.imgur.com/ulNNS.jpg

[Hailto]

Explain to me how its more fair for 1 person to potentially get all the loot in a group?.

It's fair because its completely random you idiot, how can we simplify this any more for you?

Should i be at a disadvantage because my name starts with M over a guy who has a character named Aalpha, when there is no way to determine ahead of time how many gems will drop and how long the group will last?

[Zehv9]

How can the alpha system be abused? I have seen a person win all the loot in a group before as well...more than once and I know its not a grand scheme to rob someone of loot its just unfair to not just me but everyone. personally I feel if i win something the next thing that drops pending on its worth i would just give to the other person. I have no problem doing that because im not a selfish person that is my point.

You're right, I shouldn't have said only. Fixed that.

Though like I said, there's nothing unfair about it. It is by the definition of the word, fair.

[theaetatus]

If only one item drops in a group and one person gets it, in Mishami's eyes they are a 'lootwhore' as they got all the items that dropped. In order to not be considered a 'lootwhore' they should make a note of all the names of the people in the group, request their email addresses and give the next 5 items they receive to these people. This is the only fair solution.

[Sturgeon]

Stop being a pussy and say something.

To be honest you sound like a loot whore who is bitter that someone else got all of the drops this time around.

[Spitty]

Greed all is strangers powerlooting someone's char moron. what im describing is making so everyone gets a loot...!!!!!! omfg

You aren't making a lick of sense.

Stop. Just...stop what you're doing. It's embarrassing me as an oxygen-consuming life form.

[Furniture]

lets not get in to this again, just end it with any item that drops is an upgrade for anyone and it is greedy to just claim the item for a "need",

NBG- Greedy
Greed - fair

edit: before some idiot says "HOW IS IT AN UPGRADE FOR EVERYONE IF ITS MONK ONLY", remember that if its tradeable then it is sellable which = an upgrade for every class

[Furniture]

i just read the op's post now, my bad and i blame it on the marijuana, the previous still stands, but in regards to what your saying it is completely fair since it is a random chance for everyone, you win some you lose some, i can see how it would be a lot nicer for everyone to split everything equally and that can be discussed but if someone wins multiple rolls and then decides that he doesnt want to share, it would be unfair to penalize him for his decision, it should have been determined beforward and thats just being a whiny bitch, you will get lucky one day (maybe) and win lots of randoms in a seb group

[Spitty]

They legalized it in NY too? Hot damn!

[fastboy21]

I did not take part in it because it inspires a bad personality type and for the last time I'm not talking about need before greed I'm talking about greed rolls and yes "loot whore" was invented because people wanting to roll on everything. I wish people had just actually played live so they know what they are talking about...

I played on live, from virtually day one...

It never ceases to amaze how some folks assume that anyone who disagrees with them is somehow ignorant. Can it possibly be that people who know all about EQ, played on live, etc just simply don't agree with you???

You are talking about "need vs. greed" (whether you want to or not) because it is tied to the decision about how to allow rolling and assigning of loot.

There is a difference between fair and equal. Equal means everyone in the group gets the same thing, fair means they get the same process. It is very possible to be fair without everyone getting an equal share of the booty.

In any case, its been debated for over a decade at this point and I don't see it being brought to any special conclusion here in this thread.

The best way to avoid problems related to loot is to make sure the loot rules are clear and explained when a group forms and to tell new people who join the group. Most problems related to loot arguments happen when there are no agreed upon rules upfront and then something valuable drops. Its too late at that point to try to assign loot rules, and arguments suddenly appear.

[Spitty]

Right. Set the expectation. Discuss. Possibly collaborate and listen.

Life lessons right there.

Or, try and browbeat an entire group into playing by your version of the rules and see how quickly your bank explodes with untold riches.

[Sturgeon]

I played on live, from virtually day one...

It never ceases to amaze how some folks assume that anyone who disagrees with them is somehow ignorant. Can it possibly be that people who know all about EQ, played on live, etc just simply don't agree with you???

You are talking about "need vs. greed" (whether you want to or not) because it is tied to the decision about how to allow rolling and assigning of loot.

There is a difference between fair and equal. Equal means everyone in the group gets the same thing, fair means they get the same process. It is very possible to be fair without everyone getting an equal share of the booty.

In any case, its been debated for over a decade at this point and I don't see it being brought to any special conclusion here in this thread.

The best way to avoid problems related to loot is to make sure the loot rules are clear and explained when a group forms and to tell new people who join the group. Most problems related to loot arguments happen when there are no agreed upon rules upfront and then something valuable drops. Its too late at that point to try to assign loot rules, and arguments suddenly appear.

You must be new here, you're not allowed to have a different opinion. You must think one universal thought. If you disagree with OP then you are wrong.


We should give all the loot to Mish, even if you aren't grouping pay homage and send money to the neckbeard as tribute.




Honestly, if you hate the greed that you clearly show yourself Mish, group with Guildies or play a solo class, unless you're worried your Mage pet might ninja loot whore too.

[Mishami]

Hey I'm all about difference of opinion but when you cant give me a straight answer about how greed all is more fair than alpha greed you start pissing me off. Look my personality seeps through in this game I happen to be a fair person in RL thats why persoanlly I think it's only fair if i win a 5k item its fair to sit out on the next 5k and below item because if I do I truely feel that makes me a loot whore. everyone is making a point like I never won anything thats why I'm making this post.. which isnt the case. I'm making this arguement for all the people in the situation of this bullshit loot rule. It didnt exist on my server in live except in circumstances of a full 60 group or a place that didnt have great loot. The reason I take this so seriously is because it developoes the consesus of the server from not being a bunch of jackass's who cant make a good clear point about why greed all is better than the trade geed system. So far the only point that has been made about greed all is its 100% fair because it gives everyone just as much chance to win something which is complete bullshit. It does not give a fair equal chance for everyone to win something in the group which is stupid. You know i wouldnt have such a problem with it if it wasnt a profiling tool on my server when i played live. At the end of the day what it comes down too is people who embrace a loot system such as greed all are pathetic people in RL. the same types that would ninja loot something which i have seen from people who greed all and if you could still loot people corpses watch out! This server does not do a good job of profiling idiots at higher lvl thats why there are so many of them.. On rodcet nife the server I played on I played with some of the best guilds and tons of pick up groups and never met people so pro greed all. infact if you asked for greed all you got kicked out of the group. if someone should go solo its people like you sturgeon you are the one asking random people to give you the chance to win everything in a group but you point the finger at me like i expect people to gear me when im argueing people should get just as much chance to get a item as me. understand greed allers you do not have the same chance as everyone in a group to win loot in a group because once you win something you have twice the chance to win something compared to other members BECAUSE YOU ALREADY WON SOMETHING!!! How is that so hard to figure or is it just something you block out of your mind to justify you are a pathetic loot whore?

[Mishami]

I played on live, from virtually day one...

It never ceases to amaze how some folks assume that anyone who disagrees with them is somehow ignorant. Can it possibly be that people who know all about EQ, played on live, etc just simply don't agree with you???

You are talking about "need vs. greed" (whether you want to or not) because it is tied to the decision about how to allow rolling and assigning of loot.

There is a difference between fair and equal. Equal means everyone in the group gets the same thing, fair means they get the same process. It is very possible to be fair without everyone getting an equal share of the booty.

In any case, its been debated for over a decade at this point and I don't see it being brought to any special conclusion here in this thread.

The best way to avoid problems related to loot is to make sure the loot rules are clear and explained when a group forms and to tell new people who join the group. Most problems related to loot arguments happen when there are no agreed upon rules upfront and then something valuable drops. Its too late at that point to try to assign loot rules, and arguments suddenly appear.

You are an ignorant not because you dont agree with me but because you choose not to understand a simple point because you choose to be a greedy person. Anyone who embraces greed all like its a fair loot method is a greedy person. You shouldnt expect to be considered anything less considering you are asking for the chance to win on everything potentially leaving some members with no loot because you are greedy and expect to win all the loot. Is that hard to understand? If you put the point out there for what it is thats what it comes down to. greed rolling and need rolling are to seperate things anyone who says need rolls are potential upgrades for everyone as well and get to roll are even bigger loot whores but i think people like this and people who greed all go hand in hand. NBG was invented because people like you expecting even something someone else in the group needs for their character directly. not for a potential twink or selling to make money.. you are trying to make a point like there is a difference in the meaning of equal and fair? this just shows you have a problem with being a decent person. equal in this situation equals fair... stop trying to politic the subject and make a good point. People keep trying to make a point like its been argued since 99 and thats not how i remember i played from begining of live and it was always known that people who used greed all are just loot whores so "people who argued it back then" were still considered loot whores period doesnt matter if you dont want to realize that or not. The reason I compare loot whores to ninja looters is because they both have the same personality type.. if you had that attempt in live i dont see how you ever got into a decent guild because decent guilds on live didnt recruit people of that nature. By decent I mean ascent arirang eastern keep guilds of that nature on live. They also had strict recruitment policy's and gave you plenty enough time to prove yourself if you expected greed all when apping to their guild and a guild member seen you doing that they would not even consider your app because its pathetic to be so loot hungry and the people who had that mentality eventually went on the ninja something at a raid. Really i dont care if this makes a difference just gives me a list of people who are pathetic enough not to group with.

[webrunner5]

Why don't people realize that this game mimics real life. There are super nice people and total assholes in both. It ain't going to change.

[Wrei]

Greed is a funny concept, I remember on live as an enchanter every single melee in my group would "need" the FBSS at the frenzy camp. Some did legitimately need it, others turned around and muled their win or as they explained "gave it to friends"(aka selling it in EC). These same sketchbags would then call "need" though they've won one (and when called out would avoid me in their groups). The same courtesy wasn't given to me when camping the SMR, warriors demanding rolls for "their friends". So you can't justify everything by "being the nice guy", what is fair is having equal shot at a loot for the time given. There's nothing wrong with greeding a tradable item if you put in the time. No one really 'needs' anything, it would help but it's not an essential item to their class.

So if you value NBG above all else then find yourself some friends or guildies to match playtime, don't get butt hurt if a random stranger wants a "fair roll". If you really look into it, the very same people who call need on something are really the greedy one for trying to deny loot to the 5 others who helped as much. You cannot keep track of everyone's loot history on a pick up group, be practical and just random with strangers. As for the same person who looted 5 times, if it bothered you then you should have spoken the moment he won 2~3 items. The fact it went on to 5 items shows you got nothing to complain about. This passive aggressive pms'ing attitude does not help to remedy the situation. If you don't like something then speak up about it, and avoid the greedtards that would take 5 items in a row without qualm.

[Zehv9]

Even if someone won 5 greeds in a row, that's such a rare occurrence that everyone ought to be amazed rather than annoyed. If you demand that person hand over their winnings because you think they won too much, that's a lot like asking someone to share their lottery winnings with you because you drove the guy to the gas station so he could buy his ticket. Now that is an extreme example, so I also want to say that you're not an asshole if you ask your groupmate who's on the winning streak to let it spread around a bit, but you can't be mad at him if he doesn't want to do that.

Mishami, you are failing completely to even attempt understanding or compromise. We've already shown you why simple greed rolling is fair and you refuse to recognize it. There isn't anymore we can do.

If it really bothers you that much, then you're just going to have to tell groups you only NBG, and if they don't want to do that, you just don't join that group. If you can't deal with it, then that's your only option.

[koros]

In the long run... everyone randoming on everything evens out. Why is that so difficult a concept for you understand? Random processes can be streaky, they're random. If you roll a die 6 times you could end up with a 6 all of those times (although unlikely), if you roll a die 500 times you're probably going to see a very even distribution between all the numbers. You clearly can't see the forest for the trees.

[fastboy21]

You are an ignorant not because you dont agree with me but because you choose not to understand a simple point because you are a greedy person. Anone who embraces greed all like its a fair loot method is a greedy person. You shouldnt expect to be considered anything less considering you are asking for the chance to win on everything potentially leaving some members with no loot because you are greedy and expect to win all the loot. Is that hard to understand? If you put the point out there for what it is thats what it comes down to. greed rolling and need rolling are to seperate things anyone who says need rolls are potential upgrades for everyone as well and get to roll are even bigger loot whores but i think people like this and people who greed all go hand in hand. NBG was invented because people like you expecting even something someone else in the group needs for their character directly. not for a potential twink or selling to make money.. you are trying to make a point like there is a difference in the meaning of equal and fair? this just shows you have a problem with being a decent person. equal in this situation equals fair... stop trying to politic the subject and make a good point. People keep trying to make a point like its been argued since 99 and thats not how i remember i played from begining of live and it was always known that people who used greed all are just loot whores so "people who argued it back then" were still considered loot whores period doesnt matter if you dont want to realize that or not. The reason I compare loot whores to ninja looters is because they both have the same personality type.. if you had that attempt in live i dont see how you ever got into a decent guild because decent guilds on live didnt recruit people of that nature. By decent I mean ascent arirang eastern keep guilds of that nature on live. They also had strict recruitment policy's and gave you plenty enough time to prove yourself if you expected greed all when apping to their guild and a guild member seen you doing that they would not even consider your app because its pathetic to be so loot hungry and the people who had that mentality eventually went on the ninja something at a raid. Really i dont care if this makes a difference just gives me a list of people who are pathetic enough not to group with.

I stopped reading your block of text after the first sentence. It hurt my brain.

How can you haphazardly call folks you don't know greedy and loot whores in a civil conversation and expect to get anywhere meaningful?

Dialogue is all about sharing information and points of view. I don't know why you posted at all if you only want to shout your own opinion until folks agree with you.

[McMuffins]

Can we get some tl;dr is this shit? Damn.

If you don't like people being greedy then say so in the group your post here has made 0 impact on the greedy greednaners on the server.

You would think we're talking about religion with the sizes of your posts.

[McMuffins]

You are an ignorant not because you dont agree with me but because you choose not to understand a simple point because you are a greedy person. Anone who embraces greed all like

..... Etc.... Etc.................

TL;DR

QQ

[Mishami]

My point is simple and last time im gonna make it i keep repeating myself because no one seems to grasp what im saying.. plain and simple if someone wins a greed roll and thinks they deserve to be in on the next greed roll "pending on its worth" they are greedy. thats not a opinion its a fact. I have met people who genuinely feel like not participating in the next greed roll because they have already won something and feel its unfair to win more untill the person who has been in the group just as long or longer than them wins something which is not greedy. The difference is distict what is so hard to understand about that?

[Mishami]

Even if someone won 5 greeds in a row, that's such a rare occurrence that everyone ought to be amazed rather than annoyed. If you demand that person hand over their winnings because you think they won too much, that's a lot like asking someone to share their lottery winnings with you because you drove the guy to the gas station so he could buy his ticket. Now that is an extreme example, so I also want to say that you're not an asshole if you ask your groupmate who's on the winning streak to let it spread around a bit, but you can't be mad at him if he doesn't want to do that.

Mishami, you are failing completely to even attempt understanding or compromise. We've already shown you why simple greed rolling is fair and you refuse to recognize it. There isn't anymore we can do.

If it really bothers you that much, then you're just going to have to tell groups you only NBG, and if they don't want to do that, you just don't join that group. If you can't deal with it, then that's your only option.

How have you shown that its fair opposed to trade system? You are saying that a person who has the chance to win all the greed rolls is more fair than everyone being able to win a greed roll. how is that fair?

[McMuffins]

My point is simple and last time im gonna make it i keep repeating myself because no one seems to grasp what im saying.. plain and simple if someone wins a greed roll and thinks they deserve to be in on the next greed roll "pending on its worth" they are greedy. thats not a opinion its a fact. I have met people who genuinely feel like not participating in the next greed roll because they have already won something and feel its unfair to win more untill the person who has been in the group just as long or longer than them wins something which is not greedy. The difference is distict what is so hard to understand about that?

Tl;dr

Use paragraphs.

[Mishami]

Tl;dr

Use paragraphs.

I'm not asking for a english lesson mcfaggins whats the point? ohh yeah you dont have one just like the rest of these people trying to justify a greedy loot system...

[goshozal]

Not sure if trolling, or just retarded.

Either way, 7/10 would lulz again.

[Ele]

What's going on in this thread?

[McMuffins]

I'm not asking for a english lesson mcfaggins whats the point? ohh yeah you dont have one just like the rest of these people trying to justify a greedy loot system...

Well there's your problem, start asking around I'm sure that someone will teach you.

[Mishami]

Well there's your problem, start asking around I'm sure that someone will teach you.

yeah avoid the point some more.. if you dont have anything to say on the subject why are you posting? no one to blow?

[McMuffins]

yeah avoid the point some more.. if you dont have anything to say on the subject why are you posting? no one to blow?

I did, earlier.

Reading lessons too?

[goshozal]

Y'all *****z postin in a troll thread.

[Mishami]

I did, earlier.

Reading lessons too?

No you didnt you said qq which is what you are doing when you go to sleep at night because you are pathetic.

[McMuffins]

No you didnt you said qq which is what you are doing when you go to sleep at night because you are pathetic.

Look earlier, young padowan.

[Ciel]

itt: Mishami doesn't understand, and constantly feels the need to remind everyone.

[Hailto]

I think you've embarrassed yourself enough now Mishami, its time to stop posting.

[Mishami]

I think you've embarrassed yourself enough now Mishami, its time to stop posting.

Nope... I think the people have shown for themselves why greed all is for a bunch of greedy jackass's. Not a single well made point but they still feel good about being loot whores... all i can say is therapy or go back to world of warcraft. If you people played live you were on the shit end of progression on your server.. Good guilds didnt recruit pos's like yourselves. keep in mind this is a game if you have to defend your greedy loot rules you obviously must only get a ego boost from trying to have more money than others in a virtual game..

[McMuffins]

http://www.happyblankday.com/wp/wp-content/images/mishami.jpg

[quido]

QUEUE FUCKING QUEUE

[Hailto]

Nope... I think the people have shown for themselves why greed all is for a bunch of greedy jackass's. Not a single well made point but they still feel good about being loot whores... all i can say is therapy or go back to world of warcraft. If you people played live you were on the shit end of progression on your server.. Good guilds didnt recruit pos's like yourselves. keep in mind this is a game if you have to defend your greedy loot rules you obviously must only get a ego boost from trying to have more money than others in a virtual game..

Implying random number generation is in any way shape or form unfair, please explain this to me.

[Mishami]

Ok done making fully understandable points to complete morons. This post is to let people know that they dont have to go through groups not winning a damn thing because retards create the loot rules...Know that you dont have to go through a group not winning a damn thing just because these people try to imply its more fair for you that way.

[McMuffins]

"these peolpe", "them", "everyone", who you talking about bro? Names or gtfo.

[theaetatus]

By "these people" I think he means everyone that understands basic maths and probabilities.

[shwally]

"these peolpe", "them", "everyone", who you talking about bro? Names or gtfo.

You are possibly the dumbest person that has ever posted on these forums. Trying to comprehend what you are typing is giving me a massive headache. Please quit P99 and never log onto the server again.

[McMuffins]

You are possibly the dumbest person that has ever posted on these forums. Trying to comprehend what you are typing is giving me a massive headache. Please quit P99 and never log onto the server again.

Woah, we got a badass over here!

Learn English, then read what I typed again. Should help.
---edit
He wasn't talking to me. So up yours Mishami.

[Mishami]

You are possibly the dumbest person that has ever posted on these forums. Trying to comprehend what you are typing is giving me a massive headache. Please quit P99 and never log onto the server again.

lmao if you cant understand what im saying you should quit life.. waste of space.

[Mishami]

By "these people" I think he means everyone that understands basic maths and probabilities.

this comming from a monk who pulls in 3 because he to dumb to split mobs...

[Ele]

this comming from a monk who pulls in 3 because he to dumb to split mobs...

pulling 3 is being efficient, less trips out, more dps in.

[Mishami]

pulling 3 is being efficient, less trips out, more dps in.

ok you are just retarded. go play world of warcraft if you think thats efficient. whats the use a monk if pulls of 3 are more efficient? you hear that pillock? go play a rogue your pulls will be just as efficient

[McMuffins]

lmao if you cant understand what im saying you should quit life.. waste of space.

He was talking to me, and you call him an idiot? Nice.

[Spitty]

My point is simple and last time im gonna make it i keep repeating myself because no one seems to grasp what im saying.. plain and simple if someone wins a greed roll and thinks they deserve to be in on the next greed roll "pending on its worth" they are greedy. thats not a opinion its a fact. I have met people who genuinely feel like not participating in the next greed roll because they have already won something and feel its unfair to win more untill the person who has been in the group just as long or longer than them wins something which is not greedy. The difference is distict what is so hard to understand about that?

Shut. The. Fuck. UP. Already.

You and your 'facts'. You and your goddamn wall-of-text diatribes.

Shut the fuck up.

Also, what the fuck is a distict? You're in no position to lecture other people about 'facts' and things that are hard to understand when YOU'RE INVENTING FUCKING WORDS in your posts.

Shut the fuck up.

[McMuffins]

http://www.happyblankday.com/wp/wp-content/images/mash1.jpg

[Mishami]

Its so funny you guys are all mad because I called your bullshit loot rules out for what they are.

[Mishami]

Shut. The. Fuck. UP. Already.

You and your 'facts'. You and your goddamn wall-of-text diatribes.

Shut the fuck up.

Also, what the fuck is a distict? You're in no position to lecture other people about 'facts' and things that are hard to understand when YOU'RE INVENTING FUCKING WORDS in your posts.

Shut the fuck up.

shut the fuck up shut the fuck up wah wah go fuck yourself. I can make up a dozen words and still be smarter than you. if you dont wanna read this dont read it moron. btw it wasnt a made up word its obvious i just spelled it wrong. make a point out of nothing so you can act like you have a point that makes you right in this situation.. you have the diplomacy of a 5 year old.

[Ele]

Its so funny you guys are all mad because I called your bullshit loot rules out for what they are.

If you start the group, it can be what ever you want.

:confused:

[McMuffins]

http://www.happyblankday.com/wp/wp-content/images/misht.jpg

[Mishami]

http://www.happyblankday.com/wp/wp-content/images/misht.jpg

Im glad you know how to work photoshop now only if you could figure out how make a valid point fuckin retard. im gonna make a point the way you do.. mcmuffin sucks cock to come up with idea's..

[kaev]

Easy there Spitty, he's just one of those folks who hasn't figured out yet that opinions are not facts, and just like assholes everybody has opinions and they all smell bad. No point in getting yourself all worked up over somebody else's ignorance. Also, I'm sure there's a spelling nazi somewhere who'd like to talk to him about the proper combination of letters to spell "distinct".

[McMuffins]

Im glad you know how to work photoshop now only if you could figure out how make a valid point fuckin retard. im gonna make a point the way you do.. mcmuffin sucks cock to come up with idea's..

U mad

[Spitty]

shut the fuck up shut the fuck up wah wah go fuck yourself. I can make up a dozen words and still be smarter than you. if you dont wanna read this dont read it moron. btw it wasnt a made up word its obvious i just spelled it wrong. make a point out of nothing so you can act like you have a point that makes you right in this situation.. you have the diplomacy of a 5 year old.

You have the intellectual authority of a bottle of Tabasco, and aren't anywhere near as enjoyable to be around. Stop making up words.

[Mishami]

U mad

no but i can help you come up with a idea if you want...

[McMuffins]

no but i can help you come up with a idea if you want...

Nah, u mad.

[Mishami]

You have the intellectual authority of a bottle of Tabasco, and aren't anywhere near as enjoyable to be around. Stop making up words.

yeah i do? you are trying to say someone is making up words when they simply didnt spell it right 1 letter off so it should be obvious how smart are you?

[Mishami]

Easy there Spitty, he's just one of those folks who hasn't figured out yet that opinions are not facts, and just like assholes everybody has opinions and they all smell bad. No point in getting yourself all worked up over somebody else's ignorance. Also, I'm sure there's a spelling nazi somewhere who'd like to talk to him about the proper combination of letters to spell "distinct".

its not a opinion when the difference is greedy people and not greedy people its a "distinct" difference but hey its not like any of you have made a single good point just keep talking shit because you are to retarded to come up with one?

[McMuffins]

yeah i do? you are trying to say someone is making up words when they simply didnt spell it right 1 letter off so it should be obvious how smart are you?

Yeah, I do. You're trying to say that someone is fabricating words when they accidentally mispell one word!

It should be obvious how smart you are. ****

[Mishami]

Nah, u mad.

hey i got 7 ideas for you but you gotta do your thing first 1 idea per suck or else no idea's for you...

[Spitty]

How about this.

You spend a little more time working through your thoughts before mashing keys, and I'll try using a little more tact in explaining a point that was already covered politely in a dozen threads before yours.

How's that for diplomacy? Dick.

[Mishami]

How about this.

You spend a little more time working through your thoughts before mashing keys, and I'll try using a little more tact in explaining a point that was already covered politely in a dozen threads before yours.

How's that for diplomacy? Dick.

You have spoken yours i have spoken mine i called you a loot whore end of story you are the one who keeps posting so i kept replying..

[Sirbanmelotz]

Looks like someone's pissed they lost a roll on a greater lightstone

[McMuffins]

http://www.happyblankday.com/wp/wp-content/images/misho.jpg

[Spitty]

You and I haven't grouped. Ever. Not once. You have absolutely no clue what my policies are on loot, and what I consider fair.

If this is the kind of stupid assumption you're prone to making, it's no wonder you have trouble convincing people on this topic.

Calling people retards and idiots for not agreeing with you isn't helping, either. Dick.

Also, the iMac just made my day. 100%. It's storming out, I'm at home drinking spanish coffee and enjoying a day off, and that just trumped the whole deal.

[Mishami]

People are acting like i give a shit about their approval if they think greed all is a fair loot system, I dont. if you think that greed all is the way to go thats fine im not saying you have to do what i say im just putting my opinion out there if you dont like it go fuck yourself its as simple as that.

[Mishami]

You and I haven't grouped. Ever. Not once. You have absolutely no clue what my policies are on loot, and what I consider fair.

If this is the kind of stupid assumption you're prone to making, it's no wonder you have trouble convincing people on this topic.

Calling people retards and idiots for not agreeing with you isn't helping, either. Dick.

dude i played live and was in a few of the best guild on my server. the majority of the groups on my server thought the same as me about greed all wtf are you talking about? thats why i dont give a shit if people argue till their blue in the face about greed all being fair. it wasnt considered fair on my server so i dont have to oblidge you just because a population of wow players and people who probably didnt even play live are trying to make up the loot rule consesus. remember this server was made for people like myself who played live and beleived that the game sucked after velious. not for people who never played it and think they have the right to just make the player rules like they actually even know how the population was in live.

[Sirbanmelotz]

Mcmuffins KS'd me in qeynos hills

[McMuffins]

Mishami is confirmed 12 years old.

[McMuffins]

Mcmuffins KS'd me in qeynos hills

I saved your life multiple times*

[Spitty]

dude i played live and was in a few of the best guild on my server. the majority of the groups on my server thought the same as me about greed all wtf are you talking about?

You're assuming you know how I handle loot.

You don't. You don't have the slightest fucking clue, but go ahead and make your asinine assumptions like they carry any weight.

Also, in that category of things that carry no weight here - your live experience. Not relevant, and probably pales in comparison to a lot of players here. Myself included.

Dick.

[Sirbanmelotz]

Bush took down the towers

[Mishami]

You're assuming you know how I handle loot.

You don't. You don't have the slightest fucking clue, but go ahead and make your asinine assumptions like they carry any weight.

Also, in that category of things that carry no weight here - your live experience. Not relevant, and probably pales in comparison to a lot of players here. Myself included.

Dick.

yeah i really see your point about my experience in live should be nothing like the experience on p99 because p99 was only made for people trying to relive the live experience. great point there. here is a idea how bout all the people who played other mmo's instead of eq back in the day go back to your shitty mmo's the live exprience was good because people like you didnt play the game.

[Spitty]

You don't understand the concept of mutual exclusivity, do you?

Your opinion about how everyone's a loot whore because they don't cave to your ideals is a completely different point of discussion than how many days you pissed away on Live.

[JerSar]

This thread needs moved to RNF. Report all the pages.

[Mishami]

You don't understand the concept of mutual exclusivity, do you?

Your opinion about how everyone's a loot whore because they don't cave to your ideals is a completely different point of discussion than how many days you pissed away on Live.

I'm not saying everyone is a idiot there are people who backed me up on this forum. for the last time its not a opinion if you choose to ninja something you develope that same personality if you are fair with loot and dont expect to potentially win everything while other members dont win shit you are a loot whore plain and simple. thats all im saying. BTW i didnt piss away my days on live like i said i was in some of the best guilds on my server and had a reputation for being a good peson because i uphold the principles i have. I had plenty of people to learn from. once i had a friend who looted someone else's corpse and asked me to transfer the gear to their other char so i took the gear and gave it back to the person he stole it from. i dont think anyone posting against me would do the same because lack of principles.

[JerSar]

I'm not saying everyone is a idiot there are people who backed me up on this forum. for the last time its not a opinion if you choose to ninja something you develope that same personality if you are fair with loot and dont expect to potentially win everything while other members dont win shit you are a loot whore plain and simple. thats all im saying.

Reading through this thread I noticed that you're just trying to say that people who ninja loot are terrible people?

Great, good, people who ninja loot are bad people.

If you're trying to say something else, then god help you when you move to America.

[Mishami]

Reading through this thread I noticed that you're just trying to say that people who ninja loot are terrible people?

Great, good, people who ninja loot are bad people.

If you're trying to say something else, then god help you when you move to America.

no im trying to say that loot whores are just as bad as ninja looters and someone who expects to win everything in a group is a loot whore...

[Spitty]

I'm not saying everyone is a idiot there are people who backed me up on this forum. for the last time its not a opinion if you choose to ninja something you develope that same personality if you are fair with loot and dont expect to potentially win everything while other members dont win shit you are a loot whore plain and simple. thats all im saying. BTW i didnt piss away my days on live like i said i was in some of the best guilds on my server and had a reputation for being a good peson because i uphold the principles i have. I had plenty of people to learn from. once i had a friend who looted someone else's corpse and asked me to transfer the gear to their other char so i took the gear and gave it back to the person he stole it from. i dont think anyone posting against me would do the same because lack of principles.

There you go again. Everyone who disagrees with you has 'a lack of principles'.

I agree ninjalooters are garbage. There, some middle ground. Can we shut this down now?

[India]

I don't understand why most people greed roll everything in high end groups. In live if a group did that they were known as loot whores... Personally if I win a greed roll I do feel it's unfair to win another and another before anyone wins anything. Thats a personal thing though I'm a nice person. I think the problem may be greedy loot whores determined the loot consensus based off selfishness and just saying its easier justify their own greed...I think those people at the same time are probably jackass's in rl as well. You do see a lot of that on this server though. Nothing like rodcet nife. Atleast on that server there were scamers and greedy people but they were known to the rest of the server and were excluded from the high end guilds and groups... I would really like to hear opinions on this because that was not my live "classic" experience and feels like a bunch of wow players are determining the rules for this server rather than the people who actually played live. I mean how does it make sense anyway? 1 person can win 5 loots while no one else wins a damn thing? I know there are not server rules set up in this case but in live there was always player guidelines or does anyone remember that?

Then be sure and create your own groups and set and get consensus on group loot rules and you should be golden.

By the way, I was on RN and there were all kinds of group loot rules, depending on the group. There were plenty of NBG groups, Greed only groups, cleric gets first gem then greed only groups, and so on.... Nothing on RN was set in stone as far as groups were concerned. If the group agreed, then that's how loot was distributed.

[Mishami]

Then be sure and create your own groups and set and get consensus on group loot rules and you should be golden.

By the way, I was on RN and there were all kinds of group loot rules, depending on the group. There were plenty of NBG groups, Greed only groups, cleric gets first gem then greed only groups, and so on.... Nothing on RN was set in stone as far as groups were concerned. If the group agreed, then that's how loot was distributed.

in cases of the loot not being that worth it yeah there were groups the greeded all but my point is if you actually played on rn people who expected to roll on everything and got mad if they werent aloud were considered loot whores the title was invented because of people like that. In cases of a full group of 60's yeah greed all was ok because people were well off enough to not actually need some of the greed items. Even then who wants to join a group at 60 and have a chance at winning nothing while someone else in the groups wins 3 or more items? In 1-59 groups though it was a consesnus NBG first and greed hand me down system. I actually said in a previous post there were no server rules about this subject but the people took it upon themselves to be decent enough to spread the loot around. if you dont remember that im not so sure you played on RN

[Silo69]

this thread is directed to seb/kc, lol u noobs gtfo and your NBG bs, this isnt live, not funding your free fungi / t staff

/dead horse

[Mishami]

this thread is directed to seb/kc, lol u noobs gtfo and your NBG bs, this isnt live, not funding your free fungi / t staff

/dead horse

hey silo go back to your shitty mmo you played instead of live this server wasnt made for people like you if you dont beleive me go read the front page of p99 idiot. If you call NBG bs you are just proving my point

[Hailto]

Ok done making fully understandable points to complete morons. This post is to let people know that they dont have to go through groups not winning a damn thing because retards create the loot rules...Know that you dont have to go through a group not winning a damn thing just because these people try to imply its more fair for you that way.

So you determine ahead of time how much loot will drop, and how long the group stays together, to make sure everyone gets something? Please explain how you do this. You still haven't explained how complete randomness is biased or unfair as well.

[Mishami]

So you determine ahead of time how much loot will drop, and how long the group stays together, to make sure everyone gets something? Please explain how you do this. You still haven't explained how complete randomness is biased or unfair as well.

on the first page of this post the last post explains it exactly and its not even by me. the reason i say its unfair is 1 person shouldnt have the ability to win all the loot if it goes down like that or not. if someone wins a greed roll they should be out for the next greed roll pending on how much it is if a item drops worth more than the one they already got and they win they hand the item previously won to the 2nd highest roller ect. new members get pushed to the back of the que like alpha on gems. in this situation everyone has a chance to actually win something by increasing the % chance of winning by removing someone who already won something from the roll. People who think they deserve to win 2 or 3 times when other won nothing were always considered loot whores. simple as that. i shouldnt even have to say that you should feel bad if you win 3 things and someone who been in the group as long as you or longer wins nothing. thats why i say its a matter of "principles" I'm not really trying to offend anyone im just trying to make a fair point in this insanity because im pretty sure everyone who played live knows greed all isnt a fair system. when i played live this system worked like clockwork there was never people bitching about being unfairly dealt with.

[kaev]

its not a opinion when the difference is greedy people and not greedy people its a "distinct" difference but hey its not like any of you have made a single good point just keep talking shit because you are to retarded to come up with one?

LOL.

I thought it might be fun to try to explain to you how your private definition of "greedy people" is a quite the shining example of opinion, but I'm thinking it's more fun to just watch the obvious go whooshing over your head unheeded.

[Mishami]

LOL.

I thought it might be fun to try to explain to you how your private definition of "greedy people" is a quite the shining example of opinion, but I'm thinking it's more fun to just watch the obvious go whooshing over your head unheeded.

its not my definition its something i learned in live. people who expect to roll on everything were considered greedy loot whores. i didnt make it up myself. It was what I didnt do because i didnt want to be outcast by the people who actually played the game well. On my server you were labled pretty quick and when you would app to a guild those things would way on the matter. So i didnt do them. honor actually meant something on live though.

[Sturgeon]

Can someone give me cliff notes on this thread? I don't feel like going through 15 pages now.

[Silo69]

hey silo go back to your shitty mmo you played instead of live this server wasnt made for people like you if you dont beleive me go read the front page of p99 idiot. If you call NBG bs you are just proving my point

been on p99 since day 1, I run seb on the reg, all cash camps ur mad about, lol u still mad poverty to on, lol u still mad u roll bad, deuces

/dead horse thread

[Hailto]

on the first page of this post the last post explains it exactly and its not even by me. the reason i say its unfair is 1 person shouldnt have the ability to win all the loot if it goes down like that or not. if someone wins a greed roll they should be out for the next greed roll pending on how much it is if a item drops worth more than the one they already got and they win they hand the item previously won to the 2nd highest roller ect. new members get pushed to the back of the que like alpha on gems. in this situation everyone has a chance to actually win something by increasing the % chance of winning by removing someone who already won something from the roll. People who think they deserve to win 2 or 3 times when other won nothing were always considered loot whores. simple as that. i shouldnt even have to say that you should feel bad if you win 3 things and someone who been in the group as long as you or longer wins nothing. thats why i say its a matter of "principles" I'm not really trying to offend anyone im just trying to make a fair point in this insanity because im pretty sure everyone who played live knows greed all isnt a fair system. when i played live this system worked like clockwork there was never people bitching about being unfairly dealt with.

You still didn't explain how complete randomness is actually unfair in nature? The word random is the very definition of unbiased fairness.

[Mishami]

How is it fair to be at a disadvantage on winning items just because you recently joined the group?

it depends how long the group has been going for and how considerate people are to let you jump in the cycle. its not fair for someone to just just in the group when you have been there for a while and win loot though thats why they get pushed to the back of the que. say if no greed items have dropped to roll on though they would be put in the cycle.

[Mishami]

been on p99 since day 1, I run seb on the reg, all cash camps ur mad about, lol u still mad poverty to on, lol u still mad u roll bad, deuces

/dead horse thread

who cares if you played on p99 since day one? if you didnt play live what are you trying to relive? oh yeah you are just trying to experience what other people experienced in live but at the same time trying to tell us how it goes? go back to wow if you dont understand why nbg isnt bs. if you didnt play live your opinion is useless here. infact people understand nbg in wow so where did you come from? halo? im glad you keep posting you are a prime example of why people who embrace greed all are greedy.

[quido]

I'm about to claim need on my tenth tranix crown.

[Mishami]

I'm about to claim need on my tenth tranix crown.

yep thats what fags do. oh yeah and my definition of fags is the south park definition not the slander gay definition. I can care less if you are gay just as long as you are not like this fag. btw if you ever played D&D you would be the guy who brought the beef jerky considering you are so creative when it comes to comming up with a name for youre rp character..

[Hailto]

So to sum this up. Random number rolls are unfair, but telling a new person in the group they have no chance at loot because they recently joined is fair.

Interesting. I think i must conclude that for all your calling others "loot whores" the only loot whore in this thread is you.

[Mishami]

So to sum this up. Random number rolls are unfair, but telling a new person in the group they have no chance at loot because they recently joined is fair.

Interesting. I think i must conclude that for all your calling others "loot whores" the only loot whore in this thread is you.

im not saying random numbers is not fair you are just a fucking idiot trying to take what im saying out of context to further the point that 1 person in a group winning everything is fair. people who get pushed to the back of the que do in case of your group being there for hours if a big portion of your group is replaced the cycle starts over. the fact that you are trying to make me out to be a loot whore is retarded when I'm the one making the point that everyone should have a greater chance of getting greed loot compared to potentially 1 person getting all the greed loot. If i were a loot whore i wouldnt have made this point about greed all. personally i feel better to sit out on the next greed roll if i have won something because im not a loot whore and i think the rest of my group deserves loot as well.

[quido]

but i need it

[Mishami]

but i need it

if you roll need on something you have won 10 times and someone else in the group actually needs for their character you are a fag sir. simple as that. im sorry you have that problem but some people are addicted to being loot whores obviously.

[goshozal]

Upon further review, I'm upgrading this to an 8/10 troll thread.

[Hailto]

im not saying random numbers is not fair you are just a fucking idiot trying to take what im saying out of context to further the point that 1 person in a group winning everything is fair. people who get pushed to the back of the que do in case of your group being there for hours if a big portion of your group is replaced the cycle starts over. the fact that you are trying to make me out to be a loot whore is retarded when I'm the one making the point that everyone should have a greater chance of getting greed loot compared to potentially 1 person getting all the greed loot. If i were a loot whore i wouldnt have made this point about greed all. personally i feel better to sit out on the next greed roll if i have won something because im not a loot whore and i think the rest of my group deserves loot as well.

So i join your group, we're in KC, a few minutes later t-staff drops. I was in the group and helped kill the mob, yet you think i should not be able to roll on it because i recently joined, and thats completely fair.

Also, no im not making the point that one person winning every item in the group is fair, im making the point that you can't get any more fair than a system using random number generation. If every time this system was used only one person got loot then it wouldn't be random, hence not fair.

Im going to stop responding to you after this, i just wanted to point out how incredibly stupid that is.

[fastboy21]

silly mishami...so sad. i will pray for your brain to heal.

[Mishami]

So i join your group, we're in KC, a few minutes later t-staff drops. I was in the group and helped kill the mob, yet you think i should not be able to roll on it because i recently joined, and thats completely fair. Im going to stop responding to you after this, i just wanted to point out how incredibly stupid that is.

Also, no im not making the point that one person winning every item in the group is fair, im making the point that you can't get any more fair than a system using random number generation. If every time this system was used only one person got loot then it wouldn't be random, hence not fair.

Im going to stop responding to you after this, i just wanted to point out how incredibly stupid that is.

So you think its fair to join a group that has been killing the cycle to make a tstaff drop for hours and win it? I mean if you need it yeah i can understand that but i dont really see how its fair considering you did shit to help the item drop. like i said before the new member getting pushed to the back of the cycle only happens when groups replace 1 member after being formed for a long amount of time only to make it fair for the case i just mentioned. please understand the random number genertation is a tool in eq its not there to determine how people set their loot rules. thats a very dumb point to make. The only reason i mentioned new members getting pushed to the back of the cycle after groups had been formed for 2+ hours is because its not fair to the people who have been there that long havent won anything and someone enters the group and wins a tstaff as "your example" is not fair. this was all so easy to understand in live people and a very practiced loot method. Are all of the people in favor of greed saying they just had it wrong in live? I mean you still have no point even if one person doesnt get loot in a group thats still better than potentially 3 or 4 members not getting any loot but keep telling me im wrong maybe it will happen if you keep saying it..

[quido]

Mishami if i ever group with u im gonna roll three times and if you have a problem with it im gunna ninja the drops

[Kika Maslyaka]

I remember when LIVE had first fabled event, there was 12 people long line in Guk for Fabled SSOY, and people were getting their drop in order of arrival - there was no rolling. Of course fabled mob was spawning like every 20 min....

Now line for fabled FBSS was 47 persons long. I gave up after 5 hours :D

[Mishami]

silly mishami...so sad. i will pray for your brain to heal.

My brain? what about yours? why dont you make a valid point instead of saying random bullshit? Everyone can go through the past post and see everyone who has been in favor of greed all has just been talking a bunch of bullshit. not a valid point of why greed all is more fair for the group. People in favor of greed all obviously got mad that im messing with the consensus of fair loot even went on to say NBG is bs...need i say more about greed all being greedy? all anyone keep saying is un related crap that they take out of context. Not to mention people in favor of greed all saying things that just shows they are greedy people without even discussing the subject. nbg is bs ect. Im just explaining to people that this is how people on live did their loot system and everyone gets huffy puffy because i actually put foward a fair way to devide up loot. people in favor of greed all are pathetic and it should be obvious reading over their comments. Ninja looting happens and people spread the word about people who do that so they dont have to experience it again and it becomes something frowned upon. Same thing with people rolling need when they dont need it but hey if you cant tell that someone doesnt need it you need some help...like casters rolling on fbss? twinks rolling on items they already have? inspect or /who and it should be pretty clear and if they still want to roll need on it they are just pathetic people who should be listed as such. thats how it went on live which is actually better because people like that get profiled and shown for the people they actually are. Its better in life to give people the option to make a bad choice so their principles shine through. if not they will just end up fucking you over one day when you least expect it.

[theaetatus]

Think about it this way if you're still having trouble... For each of the 6 people in the group, each one will have as many groups where they win 3 items and the rest win nothing. So, it all evens out.

[Mishami]

Think about it this way if you're still having trouble... For each of the 6 people in the group, each one will have as many groups where they win 3 items and the rest win nothing. So, it all evens out.

No thats not a for sure fact its something you tell yourself to feel better about the situation. If you really beleived that you wouldnt have a problem making sure everyone in the group got something as well instead of being worried about having the chance of winning multiple items yourself while other members win nothing. You are saying its fair because in the next group that person who lost can win 3 items to themselves but thats still not as fair of a point as making sure everyone in the group gets a greater chance of winning something rather than just 1 or 2 people. I mean you wouldnt even be in the camps getting this stuff if you werent with these people dont you feel any kind of sense to award them for that or is it just all about you?

[theaetatus]

I believe it because it's how the maths works.

You realise there's a 6 in 216 chance of one person winning 3 items and no-one else getting anything? It's also just as likely to be you as anyone else.

So, not only are you quibbling about a rare event, it's also an event that can just as likely go in your favour, making your argument doubly pointless.

[Vadd]

Pre-Kunark, I waned SSoY's and a Djarn's...
So I made guild groups as often as possible.

I obtained these items (along with a FBSS)

NO ONE would go down to Ghoul Lord for a NBG group and pass on a 10k sword....
just because I'm such a nice guy, ya know?

It is what it is.

[Camulet]

Hi Mishami

I have always randomed on greed items, everyone rolls and whoever wins, wins. I have been through droughts of never winning and I have also had phases of winning alot.

All in all its probably evened out.

It is fair in the long run, if you want to look at it on a micro scale of during the course of one group then the results will be different, but it isnt a true reflection of the long term over all picture of a characters life!

I dont think your point is more valid than anyone elses nor do I think people would be better off on your system rather than on this random one. Think yours is just more labour intensive.

Either way if you form a group then set the rules how you like. There is no point to this thread which im sure you know, seems like a troll thread to me.

Zar

[Mishami]

Hi Mishami

I have always randomed on greed items, everyone rolls and whoever wins, wins. I have been through droughts of never winning and I have also had phases of winning alot.

All in all its probably evened out.

It is fair in the long run, if you want to look at it on a micro scale of during the course of one group then the results will be different, but it isnt a true reflection of the long term over all picture of a characters life!

I dont think your point is more valid than anyone elses nor do I think people would be better off on your system rather than on this random one. Think yours is just more labour intensive.

Either way if you form a group then set the rules how you like. There is no point to this thread which im sure you know, seems like a troll thread to me.

Zar

key word here is probably.. which means you dont know for sure if it is but you would if you made sure everyone got loot in every group. this was the most common loot rule on my sever and people had no problem using the system infact were more in favor of it the majority of the time. I think the majority of the reason people did use it is because it is more fair than greed all. Seems like halo and fps players are trying to make the consensus not just on loot but all aspects of this server. If you want to play on a cutthroat server go play on the pvp server. This is not the sort of population I experienced in live which is a shame because the server was made for people trying to relive what they lived in classic. The people on this server are so worried about fighting over everything they dont even have the mind to want to make sure people in their group helping them get their loot get a peice of the pie too.. Thats a big part of the reason i posted this it developes the way people think to behave on this server. In live the majority of the good pleople who were in the better guilds on the server did not have such a obsession with loot because the type of people with that mentality usually ended up ninja looting or throwing a fit because they didnt win everything they wanted.. kinda like people who think they deserve to roll on everything. Loot whore doesnt mean ninja looter it means someone who think they deserve to roll on all the loot. thats what the term was used for in live just so everyone knows that.

[Mishami]

Pre-Kunark, I waned SSoY's and a Djarn's...
So I made guild groups as often as possible.

I obtained these items (along with a FBSS)

NO ONE would go down to Ghoul Lord for a NBG group and pass on a 10k sword....
just because I'm such a nice guy, ya know?

It is what it is.

Thats not how it was on my server people were more than happy to NBG fbss in a group if the melee needed it. the only time i remember different was because ninja looters but they got the ass end of that not being to app to any decent guild. even the lowbie guilds on my server didnt condone that type stuff. The fact you cant understand regardless of how much a item costs why it should go to the person who can equip it and use it right there kinda makes you a selfish person. you are saying you deserve it over them so you can go sell it so you are pretty much winning the loot and turning around and selling it to the guy in your group who needed it in the first place. not understanding why nbg is important makes you a greedy person by default in any game. With eq its even more important because its even harder to come across these items. Most of the time people also do have another reason for doing these groups...exp... Its not like people always determined what group they were in based upon what loot they would get. if that was the case they could lvl a necro/enc to max and solo the camp.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Mishami, you wasting your breath.
I praise your sense of justice, but democracy prevails over you - check this poll.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87365

[Ciel]

itt: Mishami doesn't understand, and constantly feels the need to remind everyone.

OP ends up being inept at one of two things: Basic Math or Social Skills

+mad

[quido]

Mishami what's your in-game name?

[Silo69]

Mishami what's your in-game name?

even though I only do high end cash camps with guildies now pls post ur in game name so I can avoid you like the plague

[McMuffins]

even though I only do high end cash camps with guildies now pls post ur in game name so I can avoid you like the plague

[Camulet]

One word Mishami......Paragraphs!!

FFS your posts are so hard to read in one massive clump of text.

I say probably because I just dont care enough to check, seriously chill out play how you want, and form groups where you set the rules and enjoy the game.

[theaetatus]

I think Mishami needs to show us how his system is more 'fair', mathematically, than /randoming every item.

Here's a hint though, before you try... It's not.