Tranquil Staff: Need Before Greed?

[Lowbacca32]

I've been camping LCY for a couple days in KC... haven't seen a tranquil staff drop yet, but got into a discussion today with a ranger in the group. He said that everyone gets to roll on the T staff if it drops because it's 30k for any class. That's great for him, but my 51 monk is my main and that's who I was playing. If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not.

Now, this seems to me like that's what should happen. 6 players in the group and only 1 monk, using an imbued fighters staff. The T staff is an upgrade for the monk. What are the server rules in this situation? I don't want to just ninja the T staff but I definately don't think that other group members have the same rights to it as I do. Ideas?

[Autumnbow]

It's something you should work out with the group. I'm inclined to agree with you.

[bizzum]

That's going to be a decision made on a group by group basis, and it's probably best to find out what everybody is thinking before that T-Staff drops, or else they are going to throw a shit. They obviously want the 30k =P

Funny how spells in Crypt always seem to go to the person who needs it etc. but as soon as a JBB drops everybody is rolling including the Shaman.

If you want to ensure an NBG looting policy for your group I'd suggest grouping with friends or guildies, not randoms.

[Senadin]

Tell him to take a hike!

By his logic ANY item should be ."insert value here". therefore anyone can roll on anything?

I think not!

[Splorf22]

Yay another NBG thread.

[Safon]

This sort of thing is established on a group by group basis. If you ninja a t staff without establishing nbg, be prepared to be thrust into the forum spotlight and make enemies with those you were grouping with, as well as their guilds potentially

[Cribanox]

I have always said that any item worth any kind of market value should always be rolled on.

[Lowbacca32]

everyone can use the 30k to buy an upgrade stop being a greedy terd

Obviously you're being the greedy terd... I said in my post that my main is the 51 monk... that's my highest level character... you are probably the TMO ranger whose eyes got real big at the thought of winning the T staff over the monk... who cares if you need the 30k... 30k isnt what dropped, it's a T staff monk useable only.. get your head out of your ass... the monk needs to get that.

[Safon]

Obviously you're being the greedy terd... I said in my post that my main is the 51 monk... that's my highest level character... you are probably the TMO ranger whose eyes got real big at the thought of winning the T staff over the monk... who cares if you need the 30k... 30k isnt what dropped, it's a T staff monk useable only.. get your head out of your ass... the monk needs to get that.

There's nothing wrong with either loot method as long as the group agrees. Is it really so hard to imagine someone wanting a fair shot at something valuable they spent hours contributing towards?

[Diggles]

you don't NEED it, any more than a member of a group NEEDS 30k. It's a weapon upgrade, that 30k could turn into a massive number of upgrades for other classes as well.

[Jizzebel]

Wow....you had to bring that to forums? lmao

[Frieza_Prexus]

If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not

I kindly suggest that you not say things like this if you're going to tell someone else he has his head up his ass.

[ArumTP]

Obviously you're being the greedy terd... I said in my post that my main is the 51 monk... that's my highest level character... you are probably the TMO ranger whose eyes got real big at the thought of winning the T staff over the monk... who cares if you need the 30k... 30k isnt what dropped, it's a T staff monk useable only.. get your head out of your ass... the monk needs to get that.

Greed rolls all the way for any PuG group. Without the logic of greed camping, a cleric wouldn't camp anything that didn't have a drop for him, an enchanter wouldn't camp anything that didn't drop for him, and a tank wouldn't camp anything that didn't drop for him. I'm not here to gear YOU, my intentions in any given camp is hardly altruistic.

[Safon]

op is dum doesnt get other people can use 30k for an upgrade equal to a tstaff for him

why are monks usually the dumbest/rudest players

Monks and shamans, the typical power gamer types

[Boilon]

well the solution is simple. Get 6 monks together, all who need T-staff, and roll on it equally.

[pasi]

All loot should go to the quickest person to right click/loot macro.

This is the third law of grouping.

[Silo69]

DID NOT READ

Unless your running with some tight friends. Everyone can roll.


Higher end items tend to fit any class and if it dosent, then u can obv sell it fast for 40-80k and buy something that you do "NEED".

As a caster, a RBG has a higher min/max priority than say a Cinch cord. Don't even try to compare the haste for melle or hybrid class. Im already wearing a 36% hasted robe as an +int class...

Its kunark, it has wonky builds, beasts in kunark tend to hit harder and have more hp.

Here is a mind fuk for you when your 55+ at the current state of this server. Ive seen been in a group where a Rogue won the /random on a Fungi Tunic. He was already wearing a Fungi Tunic. Took an intentionally /duel pvp related death. Looted the Fungi Tunic off the King and left his corpse with just a Fungi for him to sell the one hes currently wearing. So there is no limit on your /random as long as you have some other form or means of transporting it as long as it dosen't get shady..

cough cough TMO with 3+ in a group all rolling for a split.

Welcome to the real world.

[Knightt]

NBG goes out the door after like lvl 20 bro

[Klax]

I always like to work it out with the group before hand so no one gets mad in an item drops and everyone is on the same page.

I feel like if its a camp with a bunch of items that can drop and are all worth somewhere in the same ballpark im fine with people needing an item.

But if its a camp where theres only 1 item thats worth anything/only a couple classes can use said item its gonna be greed generally.

[Bonderd]

I agree NBG...we are all playing a 13 year old video game here.I would suggest nbg just for the simple fact to make everyone as happy playing the game...so the population continues to grow :)

[Orruar]

Clearly the only way for people to not be greedy is to simply destroy all loots that drop.

Or maybe everyone should get an equal chance at every loot. NBG only works when everyone is cool with it, which usually only happens if you're in a guild group.

[Orikle]

I love p99 forum drama work flys by

[Vladigan]

What I see here is people arguing over who"s "greed" is justified. Its all greed if you covet it yes? I mean, do you "need" that upgrade to survive? To play your character? To enjoy the game?

So the OP is upset because his greed was not more important than the other Group members Greed? I mean, its not like they helped in the fights to get that staff to drop right??

To top it all off, the OP's plan was just to ninja loot the item because "he earned it"....

Wow... all I can say is .... Wow.....

(NBG typically applies to guild raids and No Drops, IMO.)

[cyryllis]

remind me to never group with you


I have to agree with most people on the server when I say that nbg only works in guild groups or groups with friends. NBG in a pickup group, unless specifically stated in the beginning of the group (lol see how many people stay for that) is not really an option.

Everyone can benefit from that money...

[Jokesteve]

if its a pickup group, im more inclined to roll over NBG - if its friends or guild its typically NBG.

If i don't know you from adam or eve then why would I let you walk away with 30k over me that I could use just as easily.

I'm a monk by the way, so I'm not being greedy here!

[Orruar]

if its a pickup group, im more inclined to roll over NBG - if its friends or guild its typically NBG.

If i don't know you from adam or eve then why would I let you walk away with 30k over me that I could use just as easily.

I'm a monk by the way, so I'm not being greedy here!

No, you are being greedy. We're all greedy. We'd all like to have things for ourselves. It's probably a good thing, as it helps drive us produce more for others. People don't go work 8 hours a day so that the world can have a few more cars. They do it so they can have some money so they can buy some shit for themselves. The reason why NBG only works with guild groups is the same reason socialism only works in small groups/families.

[Handull]

I've been camping LCY for a couple days in KC... haven't seen a tranquil staff drop yet, but got into a discussion today with a ranger in the group. He said that everyone gets to roll on the T staff if it drops because it's 30k for any class. That's great for him, but my 51 monk is my main and that's who I was playing. If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not.

Now, this seems to me like that's what should happen. 6 players in the group and only 1 monk, using an imbued fighters staff. The T staff is an upgrade for the monk. What are the server rules in this situation? I don't want to just ninja the T staff but I definately don't think that other group members have the same rights to it as I do. Ideas?

or you could NBG/ninjaloot the tstaff, sell it for 30k, but other upgrades, then pretend like you totaly need the next one that drops when you are with a new group. maybe you wouldn't do that, but don't act like it hasn't happened before.

NBG rules always depend on who is in the group, how valuable the item is relative to what the people in the group find valuable, and if the item is for a quest or not. not that I've grouped in KC in a while, but I'd feel happy letting a monk in need loot the pawbuster pipe (even back when it sold for 15k) if they didn't yet have epic+robe, but I'd for sure roll on a tstaff.

good luck

[Kika Maslyaka]

No, you are being greedy. We're all greedy. We'd all like to have things for ourselves. It's probably a good thing, as it helps drive us produce more for others. People don't go work 8 hours a day so that the world can have a few more cars. They do it so they can have some money so they can buy some shit for themselves. The reason why NBG only works with guild groups is the same reason socialism only works in small groups/families.


Good point!
I would not call it greed thought - its a just reward for work and commitment. ;)

[Vidar]

I've been camping LCY for a couple days in KC... haven't seen a tranquil staff drop yet, but got into a discussion today with a ranger in the group. He said that everyone gets to roll on the T staff if it drops because it's 30k for any class. That's great for him, but my 51 monk is my main and that's who I was playing. If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not.

Now, this seems to me like that's what should happen. 6 players in the group and only 1 monk, using an imbued fighters staff. The T staff is an upgrade for the monk. What are the server rules in this situation? I don't want to just ninja the T staff but I definately don't think that other group members have the same rights to it as I do. Ideas?


Everyone should /roll

[Sarkhan]

As most said, it should be established with the group on what loot system will be used.

I like NBG, but only if it is what the group decides they want.
A 30k item is very nice and could help anyone.. Maybe there is a lvl 50 SK in the group who is poorly geared and is a main - how would he ever get pp to gear himself if his group gives the 30k item automatically to a single member? That works great for you, being the monk, but something that is worth that much could benefit anyone.

All in all, discuss with your group before hand and work things out before an item drops and causes a problem.

[webrunner5]

Why is this even a thread? In RL that person would have his ass whipped.

[Ele]

Wait until he starts camping his pipes.

[Ferok]

NBG is reasonable when a camp has a relatively equivalent value item for everyone there.

That is almost never the case.

Draw your own conclusions.

[OmeggaNog]

There's nothing wrong with either loot method as long as the group agrees. Is it really so hard to imagine someone wanting a fair shot at something valuable they spent hours contributing towards?

^

This.

Items with a high market value should be decided upon /before/ the drop. Don't just assume that you're more entitled to it than anyone else because you could use it. They could use it as well, to upgrade themselves through trading.

[Dragonzord]

tl dr but dude you are a monk. just train the shit out of everyone who cares about a staff.

[Thulack]

Wow after reading this thread i dont think i want to bother leveling up a toon on this server. no NbG?? you people are all a bunch of greedy people. If someone is at a camp and can use the item they should get it. If you don't want to camp that camp then dont but denying someone a upgrade cause you want to sell it for plat is stupid and greedy. If you want loot to use then camp the mob you need. I would never roll on a Tstaff or any item somone else in group could use.

[Furniture]

NBG is actually extremely greedy, why should everyone in the group not have a chance for an upgrade, and just your monk? Its amazing how many people cant grasp this concept on this server, and even try to say that NBG keeps things fair. The OP here is a greedy douchebag

If your in a high level dungeon and you know theres a chance for some good loot, make sure the whole group agrees on whats going to happen, as you might have a dipshit monk like this one who will scream that he "needs" the 30k drop and act like a bitch

[OmeggaNog]

Wow after reading this thread i dont think i want to bother leveling up a toon on this server. no NbG?? you people are all a bunch of greedy people. If someone is at a camp and can use the item they should get it. If you don't want to camp that camp then dont but denying someone a upgrade cause you want to sell it for plat is stupid and greedy. If you want loot to use then camp the mob you need. I would never roll on a Tstaff or any item somone else in group could use.

Camps dont have equivalent loot for each class. This isn't like WoW.

If it takes a FULL group of people hours of camping to get a valuable piece of equipment to drop, why should everyone else not even get a fair shake at it?

Because the Monk can use it? How do you know he didn't just equip a crap weapon when he entered, to play the "i need the upgrade" story? I guarantee you 100% that it happens.

So, somehow the Monk wants the TStaff to upgrade his character, and that's noble and just, but the other group members who want to roll on an expensive item to sell and upgrade their characters ... somehow those guys are pretentious little shits?

Uh .... no. Everyone wants to upgrade their characters, and everyone should get the chance.

[Thulack]

Camps dont have equivalent loot for each class. This isn't like WoW.

If it takes a FULL group of people hours of camping to get a valuable piece of equipment to drop, why should everyone else not even get a fair shake at it?

Because the Monk can use it? How do you know he didn't just equip a crap weapon when he entered, to play the "i need the upgrade" story? I guarantee you 100% that it happens.

So, somehow the Monk wants the TStaff to upgrade his character, and that's noble and just, but the other group members who want to roll on an expensive item to sell and upgrade their characters ... somehow those guys are pretentious little shits?

Uh .... no. Everyone wants to upgrade their characters, and everyone should get the chance.

Who says that only 1 item is gonna drop from the camp while your there? If your just farming for gear then make sure everyone in group is cool with greed loots. Personally i would never roll against someone in group that NEEDS the item. I can make plat many other ways then selling a item someone in group would USE.

[Dragonzord]

god damn eq has changed you greedy little fucks. keep fightin over loot, its pretty entertaining watching adults in diapers make a tom foolery of themselves.

[OmeggaNog]

god damn eq has changed you greedy little fucks. keep fightin over loot, its pretty entertaining watching adults in diapers make a tom foolery of themselves.

Insults coming from a grown adult with an oversized Power Rangers sig really doesn't hurt as bad as you're thinking it does.

[Dragonzord]

keep fighting over pixels man baby lol

[Dragonzord]

Insults coming from a grown adult with an oversized Power Rangers sig really doesn't hurt as bad as you're thinking it does.

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[Ferok]

Who says that only 1 item is gonna drop from the camp while your there? If your just farming for gear then make sure everyone in group is cool with greed loots. Personally i would never roll against someone in group that NEEDS the item. I can make plat many other ways then selling a item someone in group would USE.

Good for you.

Establish loot rules first. Extremely high value items like that, I'll roll every time. I've been there just as long, I contributed just as much, and I deserve as much a shot at that item as anyone.

That's greedy? So when the monk is done with that T-Staff, I assume he'll look up the 5 other people in the group and give them a share of the money when he sells it? Yeah, I bet.

[Orruar]

Wow after reading this thread i dont think i want to bother leveling up a toon on this server. no NbG?? you people are all a bunch of greedy people. If someone is at a camp and can use the item they should get it. If you don't want to camp that camp then dont but denying someone a upgrade cause you want to sell it for plat is stupid and greedy. If you want loot to use then camp the mob you need. I would never roll on a Tstaff or any item somone else in group could use.

Do you think others who would loot this staff would just sell for plat and then bury that plat in the ground? Or put it in a giant vault and swim through it like Scrooge McDuck? By denying them a chance for the loot, you're denying them a chance to trade it for something they could use. Don't be so greedy.

[OmeggaNog]

Do you think others who would loot this staff would just sell for plat and then bury that plat in the ground? Or put it in a giant vault and swim through it like Scrooge McDuck? By denying them a chance for the loot, you're denying them a chance to trade it for something they could use. Don't be so greedy.

^

[OmeggaNog]

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[Thulack]

Ever notice it's called Need before Greed not Need before well i could sell to buy something i could use.

[Safon]

Wow after reading this thread i dont think i want to bother leveling up a toon on this server. no NbG?? you people are all a bunch of greedy people. If someone is at a camp and can use the item they should get it. If you don't want to camp that camp then dont but denying someone a upgrade cause you want to sell it for plat is stupid and greedy. If you want loot to use then camp the mob you need. I would never roll on a Tstaff or any item somone else in group could use.

Stay off the server loser, WoW is more your speed

[Silo69]

pls keep posting, and pls post your main so i know never to do a PUG with you on any large cash camp. Im not gonna sit there for 5-6hrs so u can get your fungi-tstaff, while i get no exp due to cap, and you still roll on all /gem's and other arbritrary loot. Go get 5 friends and camp it or camp it yourself. I sure won't help you because you have your crack staff equipped screaming NEED NEED NEED.

I dont need to play with u in this virtual sandbox. Nice wu stuck noob

[Thulack]

pls keep posting, and pls post your main so i know never to do a PUG with you on any large cash camp. Im not gonna sit there for 5-6hrs so u can get your fungi-tstaff, while i get no exp due to cap, and you still roll on all /gem's and other arbritrary loot. Go get 5 friends and camp it or camp it yourself. I sure won't help you because you have your crack staff equipped screaming NEED NEED NEED.

I dont need to play with u in this virtual sandbox. Nice wu stuck noob

Lol says the douche that doesnt like to tell people where he hunts. My main is Thulack and dont worry i doubt i would ever group with you since all you do is solo anyway right? I'll stick with my friends and guildies when i want to go camp stuff and you can stick to your solo secret cash/xp spots how about that? If i need something damn right i'm gonna roll on it but if i dont need the item to use and someone else that is in group will use it i'm NEVER gonna roll. Sorry that makes me a bad guy jerkoffs.

[Dragonzord]

pretty pathetic people would greed before need. probably the same assholes who roll against a paladin for a ghoulbane when hes wielding a sharpened 2 handed sword. this is why p99 pop sucks compared to live. there were a lot more roleplayers/casuals who werent greedy little bastards and actually enjoyed the game than the min/maxer unemployed scrubs that play here like its their job.

edit: actually some probably do have an income based on this server

[mostbitter]

Yeah lots of douchery going on here. People on this server would loot that t staff over that monk then turn around and demand he pay full price for it. They don't see that as being greedy because they have no sense of morality and don't play this game for the right reasons. If you want to be a dingaling in eq you should at least play on the red server where that sort of action is condoned. You're playing blue though the only thing to be done on that server is hold each others hands and make new friends. Amazing that people still find a way to be terrible to each other.

[Orruar]

Ever notice it's called Need before Greed not Need before well i could sell to buy something i could use.

And things tend to be named by those who want to use those things for their own purposes. Do you think the Patriot Act is fine and dandy because it has a nice name?

[Orruar]

Yeah lots of douchery going on here. People on this server would loot that t staff over that monk then turn around and demand he pay full price for it. They don't see that as being greedy because they have no sense of morality and don't play this game for the right reasons. If you want to be a dingaling in eq you should at least play on the red server where that sort of action is condoned. You're playing blue though the only thing to be done on that server is hold each others hands and make new friends. Amazing that people still find a way to be terrible to each other.

Morality? So it's moral to deny a person a chance at an item that they helped obtain, and could trade for an upgrade, simply because they are at a camp where the only valuable item that drops is not usable by their class/race?

[Splorf22]

I really don't understand the naming of NBG. I mean, greed rolls are absolutely fair: each player gets an even shot at every item. Meanwhile 'need' is horribly unfair: one person gets the item, and everyone else gets 0.

That said I do have a bit of a soft spot in my heart for people who don't treat the game like a job measured in pp/hour and actually try to loot items off the mobs they kill as opposed to buying them EC. But that is the argument against greed rolls, not that its somehow more fair - it isn't.

TL;DR: join a guild and group with them as much as possible.

[mostbitter]

That's a terrible attempt to spin the conversation in a way to justify being a jerk. Obviously what you suggest isn't what is actually happening. What is happening is that the person who is trying to loot an item they have no use for other than selling to the person they are forcing a roll onto is being greedy and immoral. The person who needs the item is not because when he picks up the item there is no third step to putting it to use, he just uses it without any demands of compensation.

[Safon]

Yeah lots of douchery going on here. People on this server would loot that t staff over that monk then turn around and demand he pay full price for it. They don't see that as being greedy because they have no sense of morality and don't play this game for the right reasons. If you want to be a dingaling in eq you should at least play on the red server where that sort of action is condoned. You're playing blue though the only thing to be done on that server is hold each others hands and make new friends. Amazing that people still find a way to be terrible to each other.

Yea shame on people wanting a fair chance at rewards they helped to earn. The gall, the sheer gall of it!

[mostbitter]

I'm glad you agree

[OmeggaNog]

That's a terrible attempt to spin the conversation in a way to justify being a jerk. Obviously what you suggest isn't what is actually happening. What is happening is that the person who is trying to loot an item they have no use for other than selling to the person they are forcing a roll onto is being greedy and immoral. The person who needs the item is not because when he picks up the item there is no third step to putting it to use, he just uses it without any demands of compensation.

Yeah, you're right. Everyone who helped obtain something that requires a group effort getting an EQUAL CHANCE to get an item as everyone else? Ugh, what greedy immoral bitches!

We better do it the fair way, and give it to the self-entitled guy who "deserves" it more than anyone else because he rolled the right class, and was in the right camp at the right time. Yes, that sounds much more fair, equal, and moral.

Only in the United States and/or Norrath can you find people so deluded and with such egos that they actually convince themselves that everyone getting the same chance at something good as everyone else is somehow unfair.

The "need" portion of NBG is where you find the most "greed".

[mostbitter]

From defending debauchery to racist hate for America all in one post congratulations

[Dragonzord]

not really, only a mouth breathers sees loot as $$$ instead of an upgrade for a fellow group member xping with you. it really is sad and pathetic but i guess when you are unemployed all you can do is stack that plat like its RL money

[Dragonzord]

mind you if the group was ONLY there to camp that item then maybe i can see your point but in a pick up xp group, lol what a bunch of faggots that play here. i pray you never reproduce.

[Shamen]

OP is greedy idiot. end of story.

[Tarathiel]

so by the OP's logic, because he "needs" a t-staff more than the rest of his group needs pp, he is well within his rights to ninja loot and say fuck you group. and then he would say that people who disagree with him are the greedy douchbags? so, basically, you would fuck over 5 people so that YOU could get a better item? you sir are a fucking tool. pls post your main's name so that the rest of the server knows not to ever group with you. the only other viable option for looting in groups outside of full greed, is to have a main looter who will sell any rares you find for market value and then split the pp equally among the group, this method seems to work well at high value camps, but you have to trust the people you are grouping with to be fair and not try to jipp you

[Orruar]

not really, only a mouth breathers sees loot as $$$ instead of an upgrade for a fellow group member xping with you. it really is sad and pathetic but i guess when you are unemployed all you can do is stack that plat like its RL money

Only an idiot would be unable to see how turning a loot into $$$ permits that person to then turn that $$$ into loot they can use. All droppable items can lead to upgrades for anyone in the group. It may take an extra step or two of trade, but that shouldn't prevent someone from a chance at an item.

[OmeggaNog]

From defending debauchery to racist hate for America all in one post congratulations

Displaying your incompetence concerning the English language by using the word "debauchery" while obviously not knowing what it means, and actually believing that "America" is a race ... all in a single post.

My compliments.

[Tarathiel]

not really, only a mouth breathers sees loot as $$$ instead of an upgrade for a fellow group member xping with you. it really is sad and pathetic but i guess when you are unemployed all you can do is stack that plat like its RL money

im going to go ahead and stop this train of thought right here. i dont know you anymore than i know tommy from the power rangers. just because im in the same group as you doesnt all of a sudden mean we are best friends and that i want to see you get all yer shiny lewts. if you are grouping at a cash camp(lcy, king, crypt) you better be prepared to see your fancy tstaff walk away with a wizard or your jbb in the hands of a rogue. its going to happen. and why shouldn't it? they put in the exact same amount of time and effort as you did and should have the exact same chance at loot, end of story.

[SwordNboard]

So many socialists wanting their fair shot at the platinumz. Let people get what's theirs, you'll get yours soon enough.

[OmeggaNog]

So many socialists wanting their fair shot at the platinumz. Let people get what's theirs, you'll get yours soon enough.

I bolded out the important part. You know, the part right before you said "Let people get what's theirs", like it somehow belongs to someone before it ever drops just ... well, just because.

Does EQ itself just attract a player base who believe themselves to be more entitled than their peers for no reason whatsoever, or is it just this thread?

I'd rather be a "socialist" wanting a fair shake, than a tool who thinks they deserve more than Joe Everyman down the street because your mom told you too many times that you're a special, unique snowflake.

Bad news. You're not.

[kaev]

I have a question: Is this entire thread just some sort of long convoluted troll by somebody with 30 different forum accounts and way too much free time?

[Dragonzord]

im going to go ahead and stop this train of thought right here. i dont know you anymore than i know tommy from the power rangers. just because im in the same group as you doesnt all of a sudden mean we are best friends and that i want to see you get all yer shiny lewts. if you are grouping at a cash camp(lcy, king, crypt) you better be prepared to see your fancy tstaff walk away with a wizard or your jbb in the hands of a rogue. its going to happen. and why shouldn't it? they put in the exact same amount of time and effort as you did and should have the exact same chance at loot, end of story.

Jesus man, you realize this loot has no worldly value (unless you RMT ofc.) Why would you not help a fellow group member out with some gear. The P99 playerbase is so wack man. Even if this server was 99% classic from UI to code to w/e, the playerbase is not. The WoW generation have turned this social mmo into GearQuest. Have fun.

[Tarathiel]

I have a question: Is this entire thread just some sort of long convoluted troll by somebody with 30 different forum accounts and way too much free time?

most likely

[OmeggaNog]

Jesus man, you realize this loot has no worldly value (unless you RMT ofc.) Why would you not help a fellow group member out with some gear. The P99 playerbase is so wack man. Even if this server was 99% classic from UI to code to w/e, the playerbase is not. The WoW generation have turned this social mmo into GearQuest. Have fun.

I hate to break it to you, since you obviously didnt' play EQ during it's humble beginnings, but this is how it was. WoW wasn't even a forethought in Blizzard's mind when this kind of thing was happening in EQ.

And you keep spouting that the loot has no value, like you're too cool to care about silly pixels. If that's the case, than you really shouldn't give two squirts of piss whether a TStaff went to a monk, or a shaman, or just dropped on the ground and left to rot, amirite?

Yet somehow, the thought of loot going to anyone else except the guy you think "deserves" it more has your jimmies all rustled.

Interesting. Seems you care about dem silly pixels enough to spend your morning with your panties in a wad on some forums about silly pixels.

[Narienna]

Just going to add my 2 cents here as someone who has spent the last 2 months levelling entirely in random dungeon groups (not in a guild currently).

I've seen plenty of big ticket items (Fungi, Hiero Cloak, etc.) drop and many more smaller items. Frequently the smaller items (1-2k tops) are given to anyone who can use them, but you're not going to find a pug group just let you NBG anything more expensive. Personally, I think you're the one being greedy here - Their time is just as valuable as yours.

Truth be told, if you did end up ninja-looting that staff I think you'd be screwing yourself out of finding any future groups. From personal experience, the vast majority of people would disagree with you here.

[Dragonzord]

I hate to break it to you, since you obviously didnt' play EQ during it's humble beginnings, but this is how it was. WoW wasn't even a forethought in Blizzard's mind when this kind of thing was happening in EQ.

And you keep spouting that the loot has no value, like you're too cool to care about silly pixels. If that's the case, than you really shouldn't give two squirts of piss whether a TStaff went to a monk, or a shaman, or just dropped on the ground and left to rot, amirite?

Yet somehow, the thought of loot going to anyone else except the guy you think "deserves" it more has your jimmies all rustled.

Interesting. Seems you care about dem silly pixels enough to spend your morning with your panties in a wad on some forums about silly pixels.

Damn, looks like I upset another emotional man baby. Sorry pal if you feel differently. It is impossible to reason with unemployed min/maxers who's entire life revolves around an emulated mmo. I wish you the best!

[Tarathiel]

if everything was always NBG you wouldnt even be able to find a group at 75% of the cash spots in this game...... good luck finding a rogue to open the crypt doors for you if he cant roll on a JBB or hiero cloak if it drops. or good luck finding a cleric to heal you at king if he cant roll on the fungi. this isnt some new concept here, in fact its about as classic as eq can get.

[Dragonzord]

if everything was always NBG you wouldnt even be able to find a group at 75% of the cash spots in this game...... good luck finding a rogue to open the crypt doors for you if he cant roll on a JBB or hiero cloak if it drops. or good luck finding a cleric to heal you at king if he cant roll on the fungi. this isnt some new concept here, in fact its about as classic as eq can get.

I didn't say everything should be NBG. How the situation sounded to me was that they were experiencing, and the staff dropped. It wasn't a planned group camping that mob, it was an xp group. The staff was random and the only person who could have used it was a monk and it would have been an upgrade for him. Seems like common sense. Now if a group decided to camp a Fungi tunic for the sake of the item, ofc i can see everyone greed rolling. We are talking about a nerfed t staff, not a hiero cloak.

[cyryllis]

going to sum this all up and make it nice and easy for some of the people with less reading comprehension/ reasoning skills:


Tstaff- not common...not a camp you are sitting at for the sole intention of getting a tstaff. It is usually just normal exp group, and when one drops, its a bonus for the whole group.

Oh btw, comparing giving a tstaff to a greedy monk to giving some noob paladin a ghoulbane? What a joke- Tstaff 30k...ghoulbane 600pp.

Fungi tunic camp- so you are saying this camp should ONLY be done by characters who can use the tunic? So no ench/mage/wiz/nec should EVER do that camp, because they arent deserving of the 50k? Newsflash, some of us still need items we can't afford. Thanks for denying my main the chance to buy items that benefit me because you are so greedy.

Do you think when manastones and rod of annihilation dropped they should have auto gone to casters?

Shit reminds me of idiots on live at frenzied ghoul camp who insisted they should get FBSS over everyone else because they werent wearing one. Same people you see a week later selling it.

ITT: People who can reason, and people who think that since they rolled a melee class, they should get all the loot. Not that much good caster gear rolling around at most camps buddy. Good luck getting heals, buffs, cc, etc.

Just because you play games, doesnt mean you should act retarded- you are making the rest of us look bad.

[Dragonzord]

going to sum this all up and make it nice and easy for some of the people with less reading comprehension/ reasoning skills:


Tstaff- not common...not a camp you are sitting at for the sole intention of getting a tstaff. It is usually just normal exp group, and when one drops, its a bonus for the whole group.

Oh btw, comparing giving a tstaff to a greedy monk to giving some noob paladin a ghoulbane? What a joke- Tstaff 30k...ghoulbane 600pp.

Fungi tunic camp- so you are saying this camp should ONLY be done by characters who can use the tunic? So no ench/mage/wiz/nec should EVER do that camp, because they arent deserving of the 50k? Newsflash, some of us still need items we can't afford. Thanks for denying my main the chance to buy items that benefit me because you are so greedy.

Do you think when manastones and rod of annihilation dropped they should have auto gone to casters?

Shit reminds me of idiots on live at frenzied ghoul camp who insisted they should get FBSS over everyone else because they werent wearing one. Same people you see a week later selling it.

ITT: People who can reason, and people who think that since they rolled a melee class, they should get all the loot. Not that much good caster gear rolling around at most camps buddy. Good luck getting heals, buffs, cc, etc.

Just because you play games, doesnt mean you should act retarded- you are making the rest of us look bad.

lol wut? oh so when does an item become "greed only" loot rules since the ghoulbane is lolcheap? please tell me when an item becomes too valuable to let someone to need it.

giving the t staff to a greedy monk? its its an upgrade and he is going to USE the damn thing there is no greed about it. If he is lying or goes and sells it then ya you can say hes greedy but thats not the case here.

i never said classes who cant use fungi shouldnt camp it. not sure where you pulled that one out of. I am saying people dont camp fungi for the insane xp. they go there with the purpose of getting that item so ofc everyone can roll on it. kinda like raiding, people go there with the intention of getting drops. this wasnt the case for the t staff.

the fbss point, ya its bs when people go around needing it only to turn around and sell it but im not going to lose any sleep over it lol. I guess if you are playing this game with the soul purpose of gearing your self and saying fuck you to the everyone else then ofc your reasoning would be to greed everything. sad times we live in.

[Caamaya]

The way I've always seen it is the plat figure of the item. If it had dropped for a group I was in, whether I was a monk or not, 30k for anyone is a good amount of plat. Unless you were in a guild group where you're all very much working on the same goals, one of them being make your raid team stronger, then it wouldn't be NBG. For the originator of the thread; would you do NBG if a cobalt bracer (80k?) dropped? I'm a barbarian and would likely be a shrink and ac upgrade. What is the point in which its not about the need and it turns to be about the plat? I'd NBG on a 1kplat spell but not sure about a 20k spell if it means some serious beefing up when you turn the item to pp.

-Warwar

[Senadin]

going to sum this all up and make it nice and easy for some of the people with less reading comprehension/ reasoning skills:


Tstaff- not common...not a camp you are sitting at for the sole intention of getting a tstaff. It is usually just normal exp group, and when one drops, its a bonus for the whole group.
Oh btw, comparing giving a tstaff to a greedy monk to giving some noob paladin a ghoulbane? What a joke- Tstaff 30k...ghoulbane 600pp.

Fungi tunic camp- so you are saying this camp should ONLY be done by characters who can use the tunic? So no ench/mage/wiz/nec should EVER do that camp, because they arent deserving of the 50k? Newsflash, some of us still need items we can't afford. Thanks for denying my main the chance to buy items that benefit me because you are so greedy.

Do you think when manastones and rod of annihilation dropped they should have auto gone to casters?

Shit reminds me of idiots on live at frenzied ghoul camp who insisted they should get FBSS over everyone else because they werent wearing one. Same people you see a week later selling it.

ITT: People who can reason, and people who think that since they rolled a melee class, they should get all the loot. Not that much good caster gear rolling around at most camps buddy. Good luck getting heals, buffs, cc, etc.

Just because you play games, doesnt mean you should act retarded- you are making the rest of us look bad.


LOL Maybe for most classes they go there not caring, Considering the Warlord only drops the boots and the staff that are worth it. This is one of the monk big ticket item that is only surpassed by the epic. A lot of you guys fail to consider that the T-staff for most monk is the TOP weapon for our class!

So not every monk can get their epic done. even if they are guilded maybe they cant do the epic fights. So this is the best thing for a lot of monk for a long long time! Hopefully folks can understand this but eh, i'll do like i always do and sit there in that room until i score one, either thru NBG or farming/xp group. To compare the staff to other valuable items is clearly not knowing about monks gear, which is understandable. I know jack shit about other classes gear.

[cyryllis]

I guess if you are playing this game with the soul purpose of gearing your self and saying fuck you to the everyone else then ofc your reasoning would be to greed everything. sad times we live in.

Everybody wants to gear their character, everybody benefits equally from getting a tstaff. I'd say most people let items sub 1k go to whoever can use it in a group, from my experience. Tstaff= 30k= more than halfway to a tobrins eyepatch, 1/4 of the way to a boneclasped girdle, 1/4 the way to a manastone, 1/7 of the way to a RoA- if we are talking higher end. Or for the lower end: 30k could buy an int caster: 2x BS ear, Ornate rune shield, Tola robe, dustscryer crystal ball, djarns amethyst ring, and have plat left over for ports/peridots/tradeskills. I'm pretty sure the ability to afford all those nice upgrades is just as, if not more, beneficial for the caster. So I could argue that you are being greedy for denying them said potential upgrades.

Anyways, gl on your continued trolling, I see youve made quite a few posts in the last month since youve joined. Maybe you need to take a break from the forums and get some fresh air.

[Senadin]

The way I've always seen it is the plat figure of the item. If it had dropped for a group I was in, whether I was a monk or not, 30k for anyone is a good amount of plat. Unless you were in a guild group where you're all very much working on the same goals, one of them being make your raid team stronger, then it wouldn't be NBG. For the originator of the thread; would you do NBG if a cobalt bracer (80k?) dropped? I'm a barbarian and would likely be a shrink and ac upgrade. What is the point in which its not about the need and it turns to be about the plat? I'd NBG on a 1kplat spell but not sure about a 20k spell if it means some serious beefing up when you turn the item to pp.

-Warwar

Myself i would never roll on ANY item if someone needed especially if it was clear they needed it. By that i mean, you know... some players with the rep of being greedy. Players that you can tell are loot whore. They are the one who are looting right before the corpse fall on the ground and gets cold. We all know the kind.

I dont care if the item was worth 300k. If you said you needed that bracer as it was an upgrade, i would pass. Maybe i am dumb but it's how i always played and it isnt about to change. What goes around comes around.

[Thulack]

going to sum this all up and make it nice and easy for some of the people with less reading comprehension/ reasoning skills:


Tstaff- not common...not a camp you are sitting at for the sole intention of getting a tstaff. It is usually just normal exp group, and when one drops, its a bonus for the whole group.

Oh btw, comparing giving a tstaff to a greedy monk to giving some noob paladin a ghoulbane? What a joke- Tstaff 30k...ghoulbane 600pp.

Fungi tunic camp- so you are saying this camp should ONLY be done by characters who can use the tunic? So no ench/mage/wiz/nec should EVER do that camp, because they arent deserving of the 50k? Newsflash, some of us still need items we can't afford. Thanks for denying my main the chance to buy items that benefit me because you are so greedy.


Do you think when manastones and rod of annihilation dropped they should have auto gone to casters?

Shit reminds me of idiots on live at frenzied ghoul camp who insisted they should get FBSS over everyone else because they werent wearing one. Same people you see a week later selling it.

ITT: People who can reason, and people who think that since they rolled a melee class, they should get all the loot. Not that much good caster gear rolling around at most camps buddy. Good luck getting heals, buffs, cc, etc.

Just because you play games, doesnt mean you should act retarded- you are making the rest of us look bad.

Who ever said only 1 of the item is gonna drop while you are camping the spot? sure a caster can get a fungi but should be after melee get one if they don't already have. Same goes for casters getting first shot at say a manastone before a melee. As i said i dont plan on grouping with anyone that isnt cool with NbG going into a group even if i'm not the one needing anything from the camp. No reason you cant let NbG go first and then split up the remaining loots. If i was at fungi and got a fungi i would forgo all other loot including split since i got something i'm gonna use. I guess alot of others don't think the same way as me and thats fine it makes sense to me why i can make friends easier then most of you.


And also the whole arguement well its worth 30k i can sell and buy upgrades for myself. Yes you could but how long is it gonna take that monk to have another chance at a Tstaff to help his DPS right then and there. Bet you would be kicking yourself if you looted Tstaff then everyone but your monk in group wiped and he somehow managed to die before getting FD off because his dps wasnt gonna enough to kill the mob first.

[Pico]

just yesterday i had somebody greed roll me out of a dragon dirk in crushbone, city of orcs. if he had known who i was in real life i promise u he wouldnt have done that

[cyryllis]

Who ever said only 1 of the item is gonna drop while you are camping the spot? sure a caster can get a fungi but should be after melee get one if they don't already have. Same goes for casters getting first shot at say a manastone before a melee. As i said i dont plan on grouping with anyone that isnt cool with NbG going into a group even if i'm not the one needing anything from the camp. No reason you cant let NbG go first and then split up the remaining loots. If i was at fungi and got a fungi i would forgo all other loot including split since i got something i'm gonna use. I guess alot of others don't think the same way as me and thats fine it makes sense to me why i can make friends easier then most of you.


And also the whole arguement well its worth 30k i can sell and buy upgrades for myself. Yes you could but how long is it gonna take that monk to have another chance at a Tstaff to help his DPS right then and there. Bet you would be kicking yourself if you looted Tstaff then everyone but your monk in group wiped and he somehow managed to die before getting FD off because his dps wasnt gonna enough to kill the mob first.


wow...just wow. Let me see if I can play with your logic: Theres a guy with platinum on him, 30k actually, sitting in KC...he wants a tstaff bad...not only that- he also has bags of gear for all classes on him. Tstaff drops and the cleric wins, and he sells it to the guy at the entrance for 15k and some gear he could use...

Good thing too, because as soon as that happens, the fail monk who cant pull well brings 7 mobs and the enchanter is low on mana. Good thing the clerics now has higher hp, because just as everyone else in the group dies, he is able to tank that last few hits and survives with 100hp left and then can rez the whole group back.


Pretty much just as likely to happen.

[Senadin]

wow...just wow. Let me see if I can play with your logic: Theres a guy with platinum on him, 30k actually, sitting in KC...he wants a tstaff bad...not only that- he also has bags of gear for all classes on him. Tstaff drops and the cleric wins, and he sells it to the guy at the entrance for 15k and some gear he could use...

Good thing too, because as soon as that happens, the fail monk who cant pull well brings 7 mobs and the enchanter is low on mana. Good thing the clerics now has higher hp, because just as everyone else in the group dies, he is able to tank that last few hits and survives with 100hp left and then can rez the whole group back.


Pretty much just as likely to happen.



There is?!?!?!

Is it Santa!!!????

[Furniture]

this thread has gotten absolutely rediculous


if your grouped with a bunch of strangers and a high value item drops, everyone should get an equal chance on that drop, as everyone can get an upgrade out of it, unless your a greedy douchebag than you can agree with this, END OF STORY NOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT

Go get a guild who gives a shit about you and your upgrades if you want to have a 100% chance of taking the high value drop and group with them, dont waste a bunch of strangers time for your greedy worthless ass

[Gukag]

Simple solution, make it clear you are there specifically for a T-staff and will pass on anything else that might drop. Ask if this is ok. If for whatever reason someone disagrees, leave the group. If it's your group, drop them.
Didn't read most of the thread, the cunts saying NBG doesn't exist at high levels are either liars or the reason why it doesn't in their particular groups. If something droped that is an upgrade for someone in practically every group I have been in, no one is going to act like a whiny little bitch about it, no matter how expensive it is. If you run into one of these wastes of EQ space, remember their names and never group with them again.

[Thulack]

this thread has gotten absolutely rediculous


if your grouped with a bunch of strangers and a high value item drops, everyone should get an equal chance on that drop, as everyone can get an upgrade out of it, unless your a greedy douchebag than you can agree with this, END OF STORY NOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT

Go get a guild who gives a shit about you and your upgrades if you want to have a 100% chance of taking the high value drop and group with them, dont waste a bunch of strangers time for your greedy worthless ass

Did you not read what i said? Say i'm in Camp that Tstaff drops and i'm a druid in the group i'm still gonna say NbG. How that make me the greedy one again?

[Furniture]

Damn, looks like I upset another emotional man baby. Sorry pal if you feel differently. It is impossible to reason with unemployed min/maxers who's entire life revolves around an emulated mmo. I wish you the best!

just read this and had to chime in, you call the other guy a "man baby", while your the loser with power rangers all over your sig (its not funny or cute or whatever you think it is), and you say something about someone having no life over EQ, yet you have nearly 200 posts on this account in less than a month, who knows what forum names you had before, but it looks like you spend a little too much time on these forums to be saying others have no lives

[Furniture]

Did you not read what i said? Say i'm in Camp that Tstaff drops and i'm a druid in the group i'm still gonna say NbG. How that make me the greedy one again?

no i did not read what you said and i really didnt care to sift through the pages of bull shit, its obviously not greedy if you do that, but this isnt the issue at hand

the issue is that if something high value drops everyone should have an equal chance to get it if they want it, if you want to be a nice guy and pass than thats great for you, but the issue is that the OP wants 100% claim on the item and give nobody a chance for an upgrade but himself

[Thulack]

no i did not read what you said and i really didnt care to sift through the pages of bull shit, its obviously not greedy if you do that, but this isnt the issue at hand

the issue is that if something high value drops everyone should have an equal chance to get it if they want it, if you want to be a nice guy and pass than thats great for you, but the issue is that the OP wants 100% claim on the item and give nobody a chance for an upgrade but himself

/sigh

[cyryllis]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/26835631.jpg

oh and, for good measure:

http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/boobs-920-3.jpg

[Furniture]

/sigh

you truly must be an idiot, my post was in regards to the OP's post, not yours, i dont care about your hypothetical question that what if you were a druid and you agreed to let the monk have it, its irrelevant, that is not the issue this thread is about, and i even answered you and told you what i had to say on the matter, that it isnt greedy but you have the right to give away your chance at an upgrade if you want, but you have no right to take away someone elses chance for an upgrade


the issue at hand in this thread is

If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not. .... I don't want to just ninja the T staff but I definately don't think that other group members have the same rights to it as I do. Ideas?


that is what my posts are directed to, not your moronic ramblings in between them

[Furniture]

just decided to backread a little bit on the thread again, i sure wish i didnt, heres what thulak has to say about the issue


And also the whole arguement well its worth 30k i can sell and buy upgrades for myself. Yes you could but how long is it gonna take that monk to have another chance at a Tstaff to help his DPS right then and there.

So because the monk wouldnt have to spend any time selling the item to get his upgrade and instead get his upgrade "right then and there" he should get the upgrade automatically? lol

Bet you would be kicking yourself if you looted Tstaff then everyone but your monk in group wiped and he somehow managed to die before getting FD off because his dps wasnt gonna enough to kill the mob first.

Ignoring the blatent contradiction in this (everyone in the group but the monk dies, but the monk does die due to not getting FD off?) This is absolutely hilarious and i wish i saw this before even taking your other post seriously.

Dammit, why did I loot that T-Staff worth 30k for upgrades??! I should have known that I could have saved the monk in my group from dieing after the whole group wiped!!! If i gave him the T-staff he would have had enough DPS to kill a mob and save himself from a death (as well as get himself a new T-staff!)

Donate a T-staff = saves a monks life (after you and everyone else are dead)

[Splorf22]

IMO enforcing NBG would be terrible for pickup groups. People would simply refuse to invite NBG classes for their particular camp. Casters would simply refuse to group with melee period except for their friends; its almost always less efficient for shamans/enchanters/necros/magicians to group, and even clerics will do better grouped with an enchanter or mage than with melee.

for all you people bitching about NBG: its a pickup group. You'll enjoy the game more and get to play it your way if you make friends, join a guild, and progress together. I'm happy to help the monk I leveled with for 20 levels pick up a t-staff; not so much for some random dude who happens to be grouped with me for 5 minutes. Of course, given the attitude you guys are displaying in this thread its no surprise you are in PUGs . . .

[Dragonzord]

okay lets just say an epic piece drops thats worth 30k ( i dunno which im just being hypothetical) and it happens to be a piece someone in the group needs. its a highly marketable item. do you let the class loot his epic piece or greed it because 30k omg pp is too damn much to let fall into a player who can actually use the items hand?

and before you guys scream well thats epic, thats different. a t staff isnt much different from a monk who isnt epic capable. prob the best weapon he can get although i am not sure i never play melee.

[Senadin]

It IS the best monk weapon before epic bar none.

Which is what most folks dont have a clue about i think.

[Dragonzord]

easy to overlook that when its greed before need which seems to be some of these no lifers motto.

[Kraftwerk]

But I need that 30k...

[Furniture]

an upgrade is an upgrade, doesnt matter if its the final upgrade for your slot or not, in no way should that have anything to do with refusing anyone else the right for a chance at their own upgrade,

so far the arguments for refusing group members the right for their own upgrades are:
1) its the final upgrade for that slot for the character who wants to call "NBG" (doesnt matter one bit)

2) The class who can equip the item wont have to spend time selling it (stupid)

3) will be kicking yourself after your group dies and the monk then dies before he can get an FD due to not enough dps (.....)


Might as well just say 0 arguments because all of these are retarded


Some arguments here for being fair:

1) It is fair, doesnt waste anyones valuable time, gives everyone at the camp a fair chance for an upgrade,and nobody gets screwed out of the imbalance of the distribution of class equipment across norrath

[Splorf22]

It IS the best monk weapon before epic bar none.

Which is what most folks dont have a clue about i think.

By this logic casters should never get to loot anything.

[Hailto]

Once people start passing torpor, jbb etc to shamans, ill start passing t-staff to monks. Unless its a guild group of course, then its nbg.

[Llodd]

easy to overlook that when its greed before need which seems to be some of these no lifers motto.

yeah cuz non no-drop epic pieces drop like confetti from xp group camps, so much!

I think you're coming round to it

[Furniture]

let me clarify one thing that NBG is not greedy in practice unless it is forced, if everyone agrees that they want to give up their own upgrade in favor of someone else then theres no problem, but if you force others to give up their right for rolling on something (like the OP said he was going to do) then it becomes greedy

if you want to have 100% rights to an item before it drops, the only way you can ensure this happens is if

1) the entire group is in agreement (guild or PUG) that one person gets to loot the item
2) you solo it yourself

[Tarathiel]

ok heres one for all you NBG'ers out there. im lvl 60, i have full best in slot gear outside of vp(not exaggerating i really do) i technically dont "need" anything. i still like to join groups at loot camps, for a shot at some pp for my alts or other fun toys i might want to pick up. should i never be allowed to roll on something in a PuG unless everyone else in the group is as well off as me, simply because anything i loot will be sold for pp?

EDIT::it should be noted that ive actually never won an upgrade i have shitty luck with rolls, all of my gear either came from guild raids or from looting items and then reselling them and buying what i actually wanted::

[Dragonzord]

noone answered the epic piece hypothetical question. okay i get it, you need plat. cool.

[Furniture]

noone answered the epic piece hypothetical question. okay i get it, you need plat. cool.

if you were able to follow along the past couple of posts the question was answered but ill clarify it again anyway, it doesnt matter if its an epic piece, and you cant give one valid reason why it should matter (nor anything else about this whole topic)

if an epic piece worth 30k drops, if everyone agrees let that class have it then fine, but theres no reason someone else shouldnt be able to get a chance at the item to sell for their own epic piece


as for needing plat? for upgrades? plat = upgrades so you should reword that as

noone answered the epic piece hypothetical question. okay i get it, you need upgrades. cool.

yes we could all use upgrades, not just the person who can equip the droppable high value item


Your time is as valuable as everyone elses time (even if you think its cool in some way to display power rangers all over your forum posts)

[Thulack]

ok heres one for all you NBG'ers out there. im lvl 60, i have full best in slot gear outside of vp(not exaggerating i really do) i technically dont "need" anything. i still like to join groups at loot camps, for a shot at some pp for my alts or other fun toys i might want to pick up. should i never be allowed to roll on something in a PuG unless everyone else in the group is as well off as me, simply because anything i loot will be sold for pp?

EDIT::it should be noted that ive actually never won an upgrade i have shitty luck with rolls, all of my gear either came from guild raids or from looting items and then reselling them and buying what i actually wanted::

No but whatever camp you go do if there is someone there that needs a item they should have first shot. Then any other items that drop you get a roll on to use for alt/sell. People make it seem like your gonna go to a camp with 5 of the same people and your the only person that left out on loots. It's called being courteous to people. Again though i get it about most people and i will avoid hunting with ya. It's simple to work around.

And i have been in need only groups before on live. If i rolled and won loot that someone in the group actually needed i happily gave it to them and asked nothing in return. It's called Karma.

[Furniture]

One thing everyone is forgetting is that when you say "needs" an item, you are really saying "wants to upgrade that slot"

In no way does anyone actually "need" an item

[Hailto]

If an item isn't no-drop, it has the same potential to be an upgrade for anyone. Its pretty simple really, why has this thread even reached 12 pages, there's really nothing to argue here.

[Furniture]

If an item isn't no-drop, it has the same potential to be an upgrade for anyone. Its pretty simple really, why has this thread even reached 12 pages, there's really nothing to argue here.

exactly

[Senadin]

I guess i would have to agree to disagree.

Not that i am a hardcore NBG'er. For example tho i would NEVER roll on an epic piece no matter the value. I am sorry i guess it's how i learned to play. Nor would i roll on a clearly beneficial caster item. it's just how i learned to play the game.

If you guys think it is fair and i guess i see your point that your time is as valuable as mine and you should get something out of the group experience. The thing is sometimes you lucked out and get an item and sometimes you dont!


Btw Sorry Tarathiel that you never lucked out! I hear you i farm guards for most of my cash...and it's how i buy items. So i know where you are coming from. I cant really answer your question tho. Yeah tho i got a feeling you arent short of cash... Or the real question is do you even need PP/items? it doesnt change the fact that you should be rewarded but isnt it just about the phat loot tho? I cant even think of one mob that drop just ONE item, they usually have several items. Sure this one time you may not get the top prize but you probably can get a secondary item that may be worth a few K's, that and if the split is done will make sure you have a share of the vendor crap. Heck how many time on live have i had no loot because i cant carry shit? How many times i had to junk stuff because i gimped myself if i was to carry it?



Why does everything has to be FAIR? Do you guys also thing that casual players should have the same gear as the folks who are hardcore raiders? Personally i think not! The raider usually spend a lot more time and even though they pay (or used to) pay the same, they SHOULD get the bigger rewards! So not everything is fair and equal! Sometimes you win some, sometimes you dont! I pass on a lot of stuff, since most stuff i cant even wear or use! Monks until Kunark are really gimped gear wise! Not only were we gimped, we cant carry shit! It's only when Kunark released that we got a bit of love. Yet the love we got given has to be spread around... even tho it says MNK....

[Tarathiel]

No but whatever camp you go do if there is someone there that needs a item they should have first shot. Then any other items that drop you get a roll on to use for alt/sell. People make it seem like your gonna go to a camp with 5 of the same people and your the only person that left out on loots. It's called being courteous to people. Again though i get it about most people and i will avoid hunting with ya. It's simple to work around.

And i have been in need only groups before on live. If i rolled and won loot that someone in the group actually needed i happily gave it to them and asked nothing in return. It's called Karma.

oh dont get me wrong, i rarely roll on the junk that drops in most groups and am happy to see it go to people who could actually use it. but as for them being entitled to first shot at loot just because i dont need anything but pp is just absurd. why should i be penalized because i have more play time or was better at managing my pp than you? if i choose to pass on an item it should be my choice, not because others in the group feel like they "need" it more than i do. its all about being courteous but at the same time reasonable. whats funny is this whole NBG attitude is so common among newer players on the server or people that are still in their low 50's but once they start regularly grouping at high value camps and they get a taste of what some truly badass items are like that whole "lets all be altruistic best buddies and share" mentality goes flying out the window

[Furniture]

Do you guys also thing that casual players should have the same gear as the folks who are hardcore raiders? Personally i think not!

This all goes together, casual players shouldnt have the same gear as hardcore players

casual players - less play time - less rolls - less chances to get gear
hardcore players - more playtime - more rolls - more chances to get gear

[Dantes]

I used to be a hardcore NBG proponent, but not anymore. I can totally understand the other point of view now because the weapons I "need" don't even drop in the game anymore. Shit, I'd just go camp a RMoY if it still dropped, but it doesn't. I need one, therefore I need 50k. A T-Staff is a great way to work towards that. So a melee character is your only toon and he's your main? Same here. The only way I have to raise plat is to get lucky on a roll for an expensive item.

[Thulack]

I used to be a hardcore NBG proponent, but not anymore. I can totally understand the other point of view now because the weapons I "need" don't even drop in the game anymore. Shit, I'd just go camp a RMoY if it still dropped, but it doesn't. I need one, therefore I need 50k. A T-Staff is a great way to work towards that. So a melee character is your only toon and he's your main? Same here. The only way I have to raise plat is to get lucky on a roll for an expensive item.

And i get that. But if there is a monk in the group and a Tstaff drops i just feel they should have first crack at it. I'm sure there are plenty of times when there are groups at the camp and there is no monk in group so its not like i'm saying every tstaff that drops should go to a monk but if ones there why not? I'm not gonna bother arguing with the people anymore and especially wouldnt argue with a fellow brellian :). I'll just make sure before i join groups i ask what loot rules are.

[Hailto]

And i get that. But if there is a monk in the group and a Tstaff drops i just feel they should have first crack at it. I'm sure there are plenty of times when there are groups at the camp and there is no monk in group so its not like i'm saying every tstaff that drops should go to a monk but if ones there why not? I'm not gonna bother arguing with the people anymore and especially wouldnt argue with a fellow brellian :). I'll just make sure before i join groups i ask what loot rules are.

You're not going to find many pug's doing KC that are going to play with the idea that if a t-staff drops its automatically going to 1 person in the group, when everyone there is putting in equal time and effort. Best to join a guild, and group with guildies for this sort of thing.

[Llodd]

SO many factors probably involved.

To all the people that say NBG should be the sole priority I say this:

Imagine an up and coming monk that is also a part of a top guild that has the ability to easily just buy the staff for him without denting the guilds bank would you be happy for him to have it ?

Where do you draw the line here you NBGers? Is there a line? or is it black and white for you ?

[Dantes]

Sometimes it sucks, but it's a fair system and it works. A while ago I'm in a Sebilis group, Cobalt Vambs drop, I don't have them. Nobody even thinks twice about /random 100. It's automatically assumed, it's a 6-7k item, people want the plat. I lose the roll and move on. A week later, Obulus Death Shroud drops, I roll and win. No intention of wearing it, I sold it. It all works out in the end.

But you know what really grinds my gears? People who roll and win something, then they immediately roll again when another item of comparable value drops... Not even offering to throw their other item back into the roll. Why roll again when you already won something? But usually that's just because nobody is taking charge to enforce loot rules.

[Pico]

This thread just sums up the stark contrasts between this server and an actual EQ server from 1999.

If you took a Tranquil staff while grouped with a monk who needed it back in 2000, your characters would have been blacklisted, if multiple people in the group had rolled on it and they decided whoever rolled the highest deserved it to sell instead of the monk who was going to use it, they would have all been blacklisted.

Having money to spend is not a need, having a new weapon that will greatly increase your DPS, which is 90% of a monks job, is a nice upgrade, and a need.

Same goes for a fungi tunic, though we all know that most people camping the fungi here usually aren't there for their first one. This server just has a bunch of min/maxers that think 30k in their pocket of disposable income is just as important as a monk's primary source of damage being upgraded. Hardly.

Of all classes, a monk. If someone made the mistake of making that for their first main here, unless they happened upon many frugal opportunities along their way up to 51/52 whatever the OP was, they're going to be dead broke.

A weapon that is an upgrade that they will be able to sell for a nice chunk of change after it gets replaced later on > selling the weapon for the SAME chunk of change without getting a single second of use out of it

u appear to have the critical thinking ability of a 6 yr old with low functioning autism

[Furniture]

the same people who complain about "min maxers" are the same people who think that a monk NEEDS to have a t-staff and nobody else should get an upgrade since its such a good upgrade for the monk

contradictory

[huggies]

11 pages in one day haha fucking smurfs

i will tell you this tho , if you yoink the t staff may as well re roll , the cry baby smurfs will shit your rep up so bad you may as well quit.

you will never hear the end of it

but in all actuality on blue = whole group rolls winner buys something

on red = person who needs yoinks and says suck it , group battle royale and fight to the death

winning

[Dragonzord]

This thread just sums up the stark contrasts between this server and an actual EQ server from 1999.

If you took a Tranquil staff while grouped with a monk who needed it back in 2000, your characters would have been blacklisted, if multiple people in the group had rolled on it and they decided whoever rolled the highest deserved it to sell instead of the monk who was going to use it, they would have all been blacklisted.

Having money to spend is not a need, having a new weapon that will greatly increase your DPS, which is 90% of a monks job, is a nice upgrade, and a need.

Same goes for a fungi tunic, though we all know that most people camping the fungi here usually aren't there for their first one. This server just has a bunch of min/maxers that think 30k in their pocket of disposable income is just as important as a monk's primary source of damage being upgraded. Hardly.

Of all classes, a monk. If someone made the mistake of making that for their first main here, unless they happened upon many frugal opportunities along their way up to 51/52 whatever the OP was, they're going to be dead broke.

A weapon that is an upgrade that they will be able to sell for a nice chunk of change after it gets replaced later on > selling the weapon for the SAME chunk of change without getting a single second of use out of it

someone who actually remembers correctly

[Hailto]

11 pages in one day haha fucking smurfs

i will tell you this tho , if you yoink the t staff may as well re roll , the cry baby smurfs will shit your rep up so bad you may as well quit.

you will never hear the end of it

but in all actuality on blue = whole group rolls winner buys something

on red = person who needs yoinks and says suck it , group battle royale and fight to the death

winning

54 players online on Red on a Saturday night. You know what else i can do if i don't want to have to worry about drama and bitching? Create my own server and play alone, not much difference than what I'd be doing by rolling on Red. Face it, your server will never be populated, no matter how many crying posts you make on blue forums.

[Dragonzord]

I am pretty sure most of us have accepted Red is a failure and we need not talk about such things. Let us sweep that one under the rug and never bring it up again. Please.

[huggies]

red was a good server , and it had potential but the people on it ruined it

release day i played for 5 mins then quit due to horrible exp , not going to grind that out to deal with griefing , better things to do , i showed up 3 months later and gave it a go , got into my 40s and saw how selfish everyone was , and how no one gave a shit except nilly

joined nilly , watched them exploit , mentioned it in vent , was gibbed on a vox raid , quit 2 days later.

came back a month ago for 2 weeks had fun , exp got slow , game over.

currently playing minecraft in search of new game

the quest continues pals

[Ferok]

A weapon that is an upgrade that they will be able to sell for a nice chunk of change after it gets replaced later on > selling the weapon for the SAME chunk of change without getting a single second of use out of it

Why

[Llodd]

Why

Yeah it's nonsense.

Can't we factor in whether this item provides a monk any benefit to his primary function here?

[Thulack]

SO many factors probably involved.

To all the people that say NBG should be the sole priority I say this:

Imagine an up and coming monk that is also a part of a top guild that has the ability to easily just buy the staff for him without denting the guilds bank would you be happy for him to have it ? YES

Where do you draw the line here you NBGers? Is there a line? or is it black and white for you ?There is no line. If someone in group can equip the item and its a upgrade i wont roll. If no one else agrees and everyone rolls for greed anyway i will roll and if i win i give it to the toon that could use. Have done it in the past and will continue to do that way.

[gnomishfirework]

Your monk doesn't actually need the Tstaff. You can play without it.

Stop presenting it like everyone owes you something. There is not a comparable item for any other class in that zone. Stop acting like its fair to go to a monk. Its not fair, unless its a friend/guildy.

Its not really need before greed, its still greed.

[gnomishfirework]

There is no line. If someone in group can equip the item and its a upgrade i wont roll. If no one else agrees and everyone rolls for greed anyway i will roll and if i win i give it to the toon that could use. Have done it in the past and will continue to do that way.

Yea, no one ever sells items they got from NBG. Lets all be noble and take the high ground, like this idiot.

[Thulack]

Yea, no one ever sells items they got from NBG. Lets all be noble and take the high ground, like this idiot.

Yes it happens. Atleast on live from my experience 9/10 times the people kept the items and the next time you saw them they still had it or had upgraded to something better. Keeping calling me a idiot though cause i'll play how i want to play and have a much more enjoyable time then you.

[Ferok]

Yes it happens. Atleast on live from my experience 9/10 times the people kept the items and the next time you saw them they still had it or had upgraded to something better. Keeping calling me a idiot though cause i'll play how i want to play and have a much more enjoyable time then you.

So they sold it and collected coin after upgrading. Thanks for making my point.

[Alawen]

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this in all this nonsense. Here is the monk epic: Celestial Fists (http://wiki.project1999.org/Celestial_Fists)

You will note that the monk epic goes in the hand slot. Here is the Tranquil Staff: Tranquil Staff (http://wiki.project1999.org/Tranquil_Staff)

It's a nice weapon. 29 damage with 30 delay and a proc that's really nice when soloing. It's a 2H Blunt weapon, so it goes in the primary slot. How do you suppose that interacts with the monk epic? Yes, you're probably going to use your tstaff situationally when you have epic and and SoS, but you're probably not going to sell it. Here is another nice weapon: Imbued Fighters Staff (http://wiki.project1999.org/Imbued_Fighters_Staff)

It is also a 29 damage 30 delay weapon, but without the proc. In a group situation, It's effectively the same; the monk is probably pulling and not meleeing for all of a mob's life, so the difference to a group is so negligible as to be unnoticeable. The IFS sells for about 5K.

So what we basically have in this thread are a bunch of people who don't know what a monk epic is telling people how they should divide loot in high end camps.

It's okay, kids. You can NBG your Upper Guk camps and that's fine with everyone. Just don't pretend you know what's up at high value camps, because you don't. The line is somewhere around 2K or 3K. Above that and you'd better hope to get lucky on /random 100, because that's how it's going to be decided unless you're with close friends. It's doubtful that even your guild mates are going to hand over 10K or 30K or 80K just because you want an upgrade.

All this talk about blacklisting is ridiculous. Thalock or whatever can choose to not group with any NBG people. That just means he won't be at any of the camps with any valuable loot. Good luck saving up for your upgrades by selling fine steel.

On a final note, I don't want to group with any monk too clueless to realize that he's playing the most mindlessly overpowered class in the game and who doesn't know how to farm for himself.

[Silo69]

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this in all this nonsense. Here is the monk epic: Celestial Fists (http://wiki.project1999.org/Celestial_Fists)

You will note that the monk epic goes in the hand slot. Here is the Tranquil Staff: Tranquil Staff (http://wiki.project1999.org/Tranquil_Staff)

It's a nice weapon. 29 damage with 30 delay and a proc that's really nice when soloing. It's a 2H Blunt weapon, so it goes in the primary slot. How do you suppose that interacts with the monk epic? Yes, you're probably going to use your tstaff situationally when you have epic and and SoS, but you're probably not going to sell it. Here is another nice weapon: Imbued Fighters Staff (http://wiki.project1999.org/Imbued_Fighters_Staff)

It is also a 29 damage 30 delay weapon, but without the proc. In a group situation, It's effectively the same; the monk is probably pulling and not meleeing for all of a mob's life, so the difference to a group is so negligible as to be unnoticeable. The IFS sells for about 5K.

So what we basically have in this thread are a bunch of people who don't know what a monk epic is telling people how they should divide loot in high end camps.

It's okay, kids. You can NBG your Upper Guk camps and that's fine with everyone. Just don't pretend you know what's up at high value camps, because you don't. The line is somewhere around 2K or 3K. Above that and you'd better hope to get lucky on /random 100, because that's how it's going to be decided unless you're with close friends. It's doubtful that even your guild mates are going to hand over 10K or 30K or 80K just because you want an upgrade.

All this talk about blacklisting is ridiculous. Thalock or whatever can choose to not group with any NBG people. That just means he won't be at any of the camps with any valuable loot. Good luck saving up for your upgrades by selling fine steel.

On a final note, I don't want to group with any monk too clueless to realize that he's playing the most mindlessly overpowered class in the game and who doesn't know how to farm for himself.


this and ive had epic clerics roll on stuff, win it and it was "technically an upgrade" beucase it had +30hp and some +stam but meh it is what it is, gl getting anything outside of EC when your 55+

[Diggles]

IFS or bust

[Tasslehofp99]

IFS or bust

Yeah, I sold the 2 tstaffs I got while soloing because I acutally prefer the imbued fighters staff. Btw, when would a necro, wiz, druid, ranger ever get to call nbg on an item? Probably never, I had to farm plat and buy all my upgrades...nbg favors only a few classes at a few camps while excluding in many cases the classes required to hold loot camps. OP is a halfwit who thinks they don't have to work for it if they want nice items....btw tstaff so overrated.

[godbox]

tassle said it pretty much. wtf items would casters/preists ever get? all the good good is weird dragon loot you have to farm high end stuff over and over to afford.

on a second note A+ thread
even though the only person arguing in favor of OP is green ranger who was best ranger imo / also excellent troll

[sonicjoose]

Sorry broseph but im a 60 monk. Lost roll on t staff to an enchanter in KC made me so mad at first. Then realized yeah, wouldn't b fair if everyone didn't roll. Not many items like that in game and wouldn't b fair to the others if you got it. However, with a few lvls your monk will make more money than most characters if your willing to put in the time so. The T staff is just around the corner gratz!

[Acillatem]

I've seen too many "NBG" claims where the person turned around and sold the item a few days later. Never again.

If it's friends / guild only group I'm ok with NBG. But randoms or PuGs? everyone rolls IMO just becuz I've been burned too many times on people's "claims" of need.

While I can agree with Green Ranger's sentiments - after all I was NBG on Live - P99 is a different community (ie more hardcore players percentage wise than on Live). Not better or worse - just different. As such some things need to change in order to adapt.

Even some of the more casual guilds here would have been considered "competitive" back on Live heh.

[Heebo]

Oddly enough, my views on whether or not Tstaff should be NBG fluctuate wildly depending on whether or not I'm playing a monk.

[Dragonzord]

well we can all agree these situations can be avoided by discussing loot rights BEFORE the shit drops. sucks that people need then go and sell, really takes a hit to the NBG party.

[Orruar]

Yeah, I sold the 2 tstaffs I got while soloing because I acutally prefer the imbued fighters staff. Btw, when would a necro, wiz, druid, ranger ever get to call nbg on an item? Probably never, I had to farm plat and buy all my upgrades...nbg favors only a few classes at a few camps while excluding in many cases the classes required to hold loot camps. OP is a halfwit who thinks they don't have to work for it if they want nice items....btw tstaff so overrated.

Exactly. NBG is classist. I'm pretty sure if you put these NBG people back in the 16th century, they'd be the ones engaged in the slave trade.

[Chloroform]

btw tstaff so overrated.

NOT if u wanna duel ppl, then monks are #1.

When the Tstaffs a procin, dont come a knockin!

BTW NBG is dead, everyone needs and everyone greed's. just let the dice do the talking! cuz in the end it works out. dont ruin ur reputation / get banned from ninja looting a t staff in an exp group!

[Tarathiel]

But you know what really grinds my gears? People who roll and win something, then they immediately roll again when another item of comparable value drops... Not even offering to throw their other item back into the roll. Why roll again when you already won something? But usually that's just because nobody is taking charge to enforce loot rules.

imo this is a far bigger problem than the OP's rant. ive always suggested in my groups that once you win something, you opt out of rolls until everyone has won something. if another item drops that you want more than the one youve won, then you roll on the new item and if you win it then the first item goes back up for grabs

[hatelore]

I have formed a ton of seb groups, I always make sure to get an agreement by all that loot is ffa random, anyone can roll. Of course if you get a big ticket item like SBC or RBG then you're out on loot rolls from that point on.

I think I lost out on about 7 random before I finally won a rbg, but that's the name of the game. Need before greed is not the way to go on p1999 in my opinion. Heck one of my coolest friends on p1999 won a fungi and rbg over me, no buggy though he won out with higher rolls. That's how it goes and that's what's fair in my opinion. Everyone gets a fair shot, I seriously can't see how that can be argued as greedy.

[Slave]

If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not.

Now, this seems to me like that's what should happen. 6 players in the group and only 1 monk, using an imbued fighters staff. The T staff is an upgrade for the monk. What are the server rules in this situation? I don't want to just ninja the T staff but I definately don't think that other group members have the same rights to it as I do. Ideas?

If you did that, the other players would probably petition it and the GMs involved would probably take the item from you, give it to the group you just stole from, and suspend you for a week. If you have a history of doing such things, it might rarely go for a permaban. There's a lot of precedent for such actions.

What you described is the literal meaning of ninja looting.

[Netherzul]

About a year ago, I made a group of my own in KC. I explained to everyone who accepted the invite that if the tstaff dropped, it was being NEEDED on and a roll would not be an option. 30 minutes into the group, I pulled the mob who had the tstaff in hand.

It went to me, with grats from the group.

If you want to secure your drop as an upgrade, create YOUR OWN group, from scratch, and explain the rules prior to inviting anyone. If someone even as much as hesitates to accept the rule, move on and invite someone else.

What your describing is NINJA LOOTING and will result in the reputation of your character being shit on by the server because a post will likely be made here as soon as it happens. You'll also likely lose the staff and access to your account for some time. If you want the staff, do it the right way, like I explained above.

[Diggles]

man, what are the chances of finding a group that are big enough tools to camp for tstaff and not have a chance at it?

[Ragri]

If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not.


That sounds like something a monk would do. Presumably due to FD, the class frequently attracts those that prefer not to have any consequences for their regular short-sighted, selfish actions.

The funny thing about NbG is that after level 50, it's only greedy people that like it. Especially monks, T-staffs, RBGs, SoSs, SBCs, a monk needs it all! Can you name that 30k caster item that drops in PUGs? Closest thing I think would be a hiero cloak, and I'm guessing most monks on the server also "need" that.

[Diggles]

ay ay ay not all monks are dbags :[

[cyryllis]

reminds me of so many posts on allakhazam back in the day...


it has int, cha, mana....but wait, whats that? HP? STA? LOW WEIGHT?

OMFG ITS A MONK ITEM GUYS


monks- greediest class since forever

[HawkMasterson1999]

No way dude, your fucking crazy. Pick up groups roll on 30k items. Period.

[Kika Maslyaka]

I rule that all T-staffs must be given to druids!
If there was no druid in a group when T-Staff dropped - you must find nearest druid and give him the staff! Any monk found carrying a T-staff or hiding it in his inventory or bank, will be severely punished by proper authorities! :D

[Leeyuuduu]

There was no such thing as need before greed when EQ first came out. You know what happened in a pug when a 30k item dropped? A random group member would ninja loot it and log. And let's not forget, there were NO messages back then about who looted what (e.g., "Leeyuuduu looted a cracked staff"), leading to a hilarious blame game and poo flinging. That my friends is the classic experience.

In all seriousness though, I'd let the monk have it if he really needed it, and if the monk was his main, but unless you've played with them for awhile or they're a guildie there's no way of knowing any of that for sure.

[dragonfists]

I've been camping LCY for a couple days in KC... haven't seen a tranquil staff drop yet, but got into a discussion today with a ranger in the group. He said that everyone gets to roll on the T staff if it drops because it's 30k for any class. That's great for him, but my 51 monk is my main and that's who I was playing. If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not.

Now, this seems to me like that's what should happen. 6 players in the group and only 1 monk, using an imbued fighters staff. The T staff is an upgrade for the monk. What are the server rules in this situation? I don't want to just ninja the T staff but I definately don't think that other group members have the same rights to it as I do. Ideas?

you're retarted, please re-roll

[Kika Maslyaka]

There was no such thing as need before greed when EQ first came out. You know what happened in a pug when a 30k item dropped? A random group member would ninja loot it and log. And let's not forget, there were NO messages back then about who looted what (e.g., "Leeyuuduu looted a cracked staff"), leading to a hilarious blame game and poo flinging. That my friends is the classic experience.

aye, thats exactly how it went. I remember huge scandal back in the day, when loot officer of one of the top guilds was continuously skimming the loot of the top raid targets. He would come to the raid with some item X (one of the lesser value items that that mob could drop), loot one of the good items that dropped, and then produce the item X as the current loot.

Eventually, after way to many "poor drops" his guild-mates got suspicious, and GM got involved who opened the logs proving that he was stealing from his guild.

Of course in everyday PUG this things happened on daily bases without anyone noticing.

So thank those interface improvements that came years later ;)

PS. When /emote was introduced I liked to do things like that to drive my groupmates crazy:

/em ninja-looted Scimitar of Emerald Dawn (while standing next to Wuoshi corpse) :D
or
/em have foraged a Blue Diamond :D

[Hailto]

you're retarted, please re-roll

retarted

[Greegon]

I've been camping LCY for a couple days in KC... haven't seen a tranquil staff drop yet, but got into a discussion today with a ranger in the group. He said that everyone gets to roll on the T staff if it drops because it's 30k for any class. That's great for him, but my 51 monk is my main and that's who I was playing. If the T staff would have dropped I was going to grab it and never look back, whether people roll or not.

Now, this seems to me like that's what should happen. 6 players in the group and only 1 monk, using an imbued fighters staff. The T staff is an upgrade for the monk. What are the server rules in this situation? I don't want to just ninja the T staff but I definately don't think that other group members have the same rights to it as I do. Ideas?

Thats hella fucking greedy of you imo, you think 5 other people want to waste hours of their RL time just for you? hayll naw. If you're a guildy, maybe. But imo GREED that shit!

[Netherzul]

Greedy cocksuckers always finish last.

[Yuda]

I like this thread. A lot.
Keep it going all :D

+ for the sig Swampfeet, I'll use it in my next note to HR as my overtime hours limit for this year has been reached, lol.

[OmeggaNog]

Your monk doesn't actually need the Tstaff. You can play without it.


My God, someone actually telling it like it is.

I dont know where all these kiddies got the idea that NBG was "the way" on Live, because it wasn't. I started on Rallos in December 99, and post-Kunark there was never a NBG rule in any PuG I joined, ever.

NBG was restricted to inter-Guild groups.

These people that are claiming they know what Live was like didn't actually play, or can't differentiate from their past PuGs / Friend groups. The time from initial launch up to Kunark was all the time that was needed to destroy the foundations of NBG to the point of never seeing a NBG PuG group again until I quit EQ.

More importantly: The BIGGEST QUESTION of this thread has remained unanswered for 18 pages now.

Does ANYONE know the OP's MAIN? PLS SHARE!

[skorge]

This is my 2 cents.

In the few several months of the server and/or expansions, when everything is new and nobody has good/great gear, it should be NBG. But after a year or so of the server and/or expansion comes out, when everyone and his mom has a twinked up alt, it no longer goes NBG. It's not a P99 thing, it's an MMORPG thing. Although I support NBG, I totally understand how at this stage in the game, everyone should roll on a Tstaff.

[Autotune]

never NBG on P99 unless you are grouped with friends/guildmembers.

Literally the most retarded thing you can do. A T-Staff = upgrade for every member of a group, regardless of what class they are.

Only people that like NBG are greedy people who only group for places they can call NBG and get upgrades at.

[koros]

I really don't even begin to get the argument for NBG or why anyone thinks this is more fair...

In the long run, if you random every item that drops you'll get closer to 1/nth of the loot/cash value of the items you've been around for, where n is the average number of people in your groups.

It's a standard normal distribution, and it's by far the most "fair" way to do things.

[Dragonzord]

Gonna have to disagree with some friends here. I will always NBG but then again I don't play this game hoping someone will inspect me in the EC tunnel. I am always some type of caster so yea I know I wont be rolling on much but at the same time casters are capable of farming pp and gear solo. not many camps a warrior can do on his own. of course taking in other factors other than NEEDZ plat will be ignored so i guess I shouldnt bother.

edit: just a quick edit, it doesnt help that melees such as this monk are completely gear dependent. casters on the other hand are not. besides more mana, most caster gear doesnt make you more efficient/effective than being naked.

[Silo69]

Gonna have to disagree with some friends here. I will always NBG but then again I don't play this game hoping someone will inspect me in the EC tunnel. I am always some type of caster so yea I know I wont be rolling on much but at the same time casters are capable of farming pp and gear solo. not many camps a warrior can do on his own. of course taking in other factors other than NEEDZ plat will be ignored so i guess I shouldnt bother.

pls stfu u play on red ur highest toon on p99 is lvl 20

stop acting like u nbg crushbone daggers like a hero

[Roginald]

This is my 2 cents.

In the few several months of the server and/or expansions, when everything is new and nobody has good/great gear, it should be NBG. But after a year or so of the server and/or expansion comes out, when everyone and his mom has a twinked up alt, it no longer goes NBG. It's not a P99 thing, it's an MMORPG thing. Although I support NBG, I totally understand how at this stage in the game, everyone should roll on a Tstaff.

The truth.

[Tarathiel]

This is my 2 cents.

In the few several months of the server and/or expansions, when everything is new and nobody has good/great gear, it should be NBG. But after a year or so of the server and/or expansion comes out, when everyone and his mom has a twinked up alt, it no longer goes NBG. It's not a P99 thing, it's an MMORPG thing. Although I support NBG, I totally understand how at this stage in the game, everyone should roll on a Tstaff.

the thing about it is, we still get new players all the time that think the server should revolve around their what view of "classic" was. or they level too fast to realize that the whole "omg classic eq nostalgia lets all be best buds cuz we can" mentality dies around lvl 30

[Grahm]

You're not going to find many pug's doing KC that are going to play with the idea that if a t-staff drops its automatically going to 1 person in the group, when everyone there is putting in equal time and effort. Best to join a guild, and group with guildies for this sort of thing.

me and my boss both work 8 hour work days. He makes 10x as much as me....but we both put in the same time and effort.

always been NBG. and honestly if you say you camp T-staff for cash, 9/10 youd get PP faster from farming PP, not item camping. l0l ppl so selfish over pixels.

[Wolfgang]

ye people forget that a caster can easily gear himself without any effort. melees cant camp shit without pals therefore a guildless monk or one in a leveling guilds only shot at a t-staff is with a pick up group. god forbid we help the unfortunate melees.

[Spitty]

First thread in this forum - a sticky entitled 'There are people who scam you in this game.'

That is reason enough alone to explain why NBG in pickup groups on p99 is the equivalent of bending yourself over and dropping trou at the behest of whomever claims they need to get in your ass the most.

[Hailto]

me and my boss both work 8 hour work days. He makes 10x as much as me....but we both put in the same time and effort.

always been NBG. and honestly if you say you camp T-staff for cash, 9/10 youd get PP faster from farming PP, not item camping. l0l ppl so selfish over pixels.

Uh yeah...the difference is your boss is more qualified (in theory) and put in more effort to get into the position he is in, so he gets more money. Grouping with someone, and having them need a t-staff to actually equip doesn't mean they are any more deserving of it than i am when the asset is completely liquid and can be an equal upgrade to both of us. I fail to see your point.

[Savok]

Feel free to group with me, I'll always go NBG. Maybe that's why I have no pp to my name. But in all seriousness if I wanted a powerhouse supertoon I would of stayed with my 8k AC 100k hp bard on live and jus soloed the whole of VP at once while watching TV.

[Pico]

Feel free to group with me, I'll always go NBG. Maybe that's why I have no pp to my name. But in all seriousness if I wanted a powerhouse supertoon I would of stayed with my 8k AC 100k hp bard on live and jus soloed the whole of VP at once while watching TV.


plz tell me more

[Alawen]

ye people forget that a caster can easily gear himself without any effort. melees cant camp shit without pals therefore a guildless monk or one in a leveling guilds only shot at a t-staff is with a pick up group. god forbid we help the unfortunate melees.

Apparently you're not very familiar with the class called monk.

[Droog007]

First thread in this forum - a sticky entitled 'There are people who scam you in this game.'

That is reason enough alone to explain why NBG in pickup groups on p99 is the equivalent of bending yourself over and dropping trou at the behest of whomever claims they need to get in your ass the most.

^this^

LOL'd @ work and nearly choked on my cheese...