Roleplay guild

[Aegnarion]

[[ This is just an inquiry.


Are there any other fellow roleplayers out there? Would you join a roleplay guild, where loot doesn't even come into your mind, you just want to run groups in dungeons and other various group settings and enjoy your play time in project 1999, taking you back to the old days of EQ where you addressed each other in guild chat as M'Lord and M'Lady?

No powerlevelers min maxing I gotta have the best of the best, I get pixels erryday here take a look at a picture of my 12 inch pixelated member, yes dat VP sword.

If you would be interested let me know here what ideas you have for guild ruleset, or if you don't want to post here wreck my inbox!!

Thanks for your time ]]

[[ EDIT: Even if you have No previous Rp experience, and would be interested let me know! ]]

[[ UPDATE

In the next week I will be adding a list of names here, next to them a brief description of what each one means. Around the end of the week I will close name finding and put to a poll each name here. It will then narrow down to the final 4 names which I will write a basic story on and put it down to a final vote off.

Check back regularly as there will be more added each day:

In Tenebris Nos Esse - In Darkness We Exist
Vox Dei - Voice of God
Vox Populi - Voice of the People
Magnum Opus - Great work
Ignotus (ign.) - Unknown
Simul Sicut Unus - Together as One
Black Lotus
Fellowship Of The Black Lotus


]]

[Kevynne]

Chellsea Spork of Koada'Dal approves.

[Dragonzord]

i approve although i dont have time to level a char on here. i wish you the best.

[Ephirith]

I've run into a fair amount of people who would be into this kind of thing, and I've thought about trying to do it.

One problem is people's styles of roleplaying can differ dramatically. Me, for instance... I write stories occasionally on the forums but I very rarely ever roleplay in-game. It's also questionable to enforce a certain style of speech: why would someone call Kuriak m'lord when for the bulk of his career he was a wretched squire, pawn, knave, and a member of a lower order of iksar. Frankly, speaking in Ye Olde Englishe isn't relevant to my perception of most of EQ lore.

Another problem is, some degree of min/maxing and roleplaying needn't be mutually exclusive. I've been playing MMO's for most of my life, and playing them well and succeeding brings me just as much satisfaction as building an identity around my iksar shadowknight. I might become frustrated if the guild had zero or little standards for performance. Enchanter just doesn't like to mez, but I'm forced to group with him? It pains me to be so cynical, but... meh.

I'd definitely love to see something like this get off the ground, I just think it would be difficult. I know I'd sure as hell be down to join and give it a try though.

[Autumnbow]

I would join, and be happy to help in any way I could, but I can't guarantee I would stay in the guild once I got to be 50+. Need to do some raiding, you know? :P

[Kevynne]

I would join, and be happy to help in any way I could, but I can't guarantee I would stay in the guild once I got to be 50+. Need to do some raiding, you know? :P

well oon FV there are raiding RP guilds... maybe they gms could make a p99 purple jsut for RP'ers

[Aegnarion]

I've run into a fair amount of people who would be into this kind of thing, and I've thought about trying to do it.

One problem is people's styles of roleplaying can differ dramatically. Me, for instance... I write stories occasionally on the forums but I very rarely ever roleplay in-game. It's also questionable to enforce a certain style of speech: why would someone call Kuriak m'lord when for the bulk of his career he was a wretched squire, pawn, knave, and a member of a lower order of iksar. Frankly, speaking in Ye Olde Englishe isn't relevant to my perception of most of EQ lore.

Another problem is, some degree of min/maxing and roleplaying needn't be mutually exclusive. I've been playing MMO's for most of my life, and playing them well and succeeding brings me just as much satisfaction as building an identity around my iksar shadowknight. I might become frustrated if the guild had zero or little standards for performance. Enchanter just doesn't like to mez, but I'm forced to group with him? It pains me to be so cynical, but... meh.

I'd definitely love to see something like this get off the ground, I just think it would be difficult. I know I'd sure as hell be down to join and give it a try though.

[[
Hi,

Thanks for your feedback.

First of all, the guild would have to have back-story... and being that i'm a Holy Paladin, if I roll the rule-set based on that it would of course have to be a 'Good aligned' guild, although if your race is not considered 'good' be good at heart. However if you break away from MY specific alignment then I think it could be agreed the back-story could be wrote entirely on the fence, not good/ not bad. Again this is something the few that start it off would need to come to an agreement on, if it was to be on the fence, perhaps there could be a reason all these strange beings from different circles of life formed together? Just an idea there.

Secondly, I have never been in a full blown RP guild. I was always on what you consider 'Light RP' I guess. Well anyways the guild I was in it didn't matter on race/back-story, you are part of an alliance, a guild now, you address each other in the formal manner (And with some respect! ;) ). However this could perhaps not be considered a full time full-blown RP guild, the population is far far too small for niche markets here. Obviously though full-blown RP will be encouraged, and as always, even if you do not role-play a lot get some [[ ]] ( ) going on to indicate you are not in-character.

Thirdly, when I say no min-maxing I didn't mean for example say the guild enchanter doesn't like mezzing, pretty straight up the guy would be playing totally the wrong class, this wouldn't be acceptable. However when I say min-maxing, I mean people who are what you might call hardcore? Gotta have every best-in-slot, I rolled ogre war for frontal stun immunity bla bla you get the picture, that's cool and all bro, but I'm here to have fun and enjoy the journey of the game, not be the best I can. I would like to think the people joining the guild take their character seriously in terms of naming/race/class choice. I wouldn't have stupid names allowed to join the guild "Hugefaggot" "Iama Beast" "Oldmcdonald hadafarm" (lol), I would like to see atleast a fantasy oriented name, even if you don't take the time to research some stuff to create one. Things such as NBG that a lot of people seem to have issues with, I just couldn't have a member who would rather make a quick buck than give his pal something that will enhance his experience.

Fourth and finally. We would have standards, oh yes. Although we obviously wouldn't be the biggest raid force, taking down trak every week etc I would hope we had enough of a core to at-least do some planes raiding ( when ? I don't really know even how long it would take to get to that stage ). Nothing to say there aren't anything out there that wouldn't want to make an alliance with you, either. I would hope though, that the members would be more interested in enjoying experiences together making dungeon teams and the like, rather than thinking about raid loot 24/7

Just a lot of my opinions right out there in the open, feel free to pick 'em apart!

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[Greegon]

want a fresh start? come to pvp server, join this new up and coming guild ;)
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=755919#post755919
offering some gear leveling assistance.. pvp >

[Autumnbow]

Well, I definitely want to join, and if we're doing some light planes raiding in 6 months or so (even with other guilds), I'd be happy. My character is a dark elf cleric of Innoruuk, so I'm not sure how that fits into the "good guy" theme, but we can get creative :P

I don't get really into RP, and don't do the []() things. I can jump in and out of character at random, but what's wrong with being several different people at once? The "M'Lady" stuff shouldn't be forced either, imo. There's no one right way to roleplay!

[Swish]

It could turn into a brother/sister guild. Have a good aligned and an evil aligned guild.

I'm far too evil minded to ever roll a paladin, a ranger or a druid...picking a cleric meant I had to roll either a dark elf or an evil erudite ;)

Perhaps the two could collide outside the EC tunnel every now and then, for some live roleplay, duels etc. Just some thoughts, I think it would be great if there's enough interest :)

[Autumnbow]

There was a guild on my live server (called <House of Thex> I think) that was made up of light elves (high, wood, half) and dark elves. They RPed, and actually killed each other, was a team pvp server. It's probably a bad idea to make sister guilds, as the guild would be kind of low on members as it is. Maybe some cool storyline like the Thex thing they did on my old server would work?

[lolondar]

I think as evidenced by the people in this thread that it would be a good idea
I think alot of people might just make an alt to play in it if it gets enough hype
I would love to be a member of this :D

[Aegnarion]

[[ Hi guys.
Some great suggestions here, however being the main attraction of this guild would be role-playing I would probably make it mandatory to use [[ ]] or something of your choice to indicate /ooc. Whilst I understand you may jump in/out of character, some of us prefer to be full time in character, unless through tells and stuff also it helps others to know between the two. Also the fact that it is a role-playing I would expect you to be in character quite a bit of the time (not all the time as I understand we are all human beings :) ). However as far as mixing the races together I would need time to think over the approach I would like to take.

The light vs dark PvP sounds like a great idea, but again it's an aspect of the game a lot of people on blue do not like, perhaps some tweaking could be done to the set up to make it more fun though! I'm also headed towards the idea of a guild with a guild name based around unity (of some kind) perhaps that have a main goal to achieve in Norrath and in doing so, once the task is complete split and go back to their separate ways of life (massive long term goal, ideally one that isn't completed so as the guild stays alive duhh :p!). In terms of a story this would be a great long tale, one where the was a problem, they united to make an epic force, then in the history books they disband and no such power was seen since ( almost like a god ;) )

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[Autumnbow]

Maybe the guild could be united in the common goal of eradicating the dwarven race. That's something everyone, good and evil, can agree on, right? :P

[Aegnarion]

Maybe the guild could be united in the common goal of eradicating the dwarven race. That's something everyone, good and evil, can agree on, right? :P

[[ Hahahaha! Oh this made me laugh =) ]]

[Dantes]

I was the leader of an RP guild on Brell. With a Rallos Zek worshipping Warrior as a leader, we were a Warrior culture. We fought and dueled, most members had to prove themselves in duels in the arena before being allowed to join. We weren't super strict on that, most of the time it wasn't about winning or losing it was more about fighting valiantly. We'd do low or mid level dungeon crawls with whoever wanted to show up, and we'd have weekly meetings in the arena.

We tried to get other guilds to war with us, but people were very concerned about the game mechanics and whether or not they'd lose experience or loot (yeah, bluebies, I know). Despite some people actually leaving the guild because of our war-mongering efforts, which I thought was a silly and cowardly thing to do, we did manage to stir up a few guild wars and they were some of the most fun I've ever had in the game.

While I enjoyed this play style back in those days, I don't think P99 has a large enough population to make that possible again. Most of the players are in the min/max mindset. That's not to say you shouldn't try, I wish you the best of luck.

[dragonfists]

I've got a low lvl ogrum I love to RP with

[pharmakos]

dunno if i'd put all of my toons in this guild

but if you guys would let me just put an alt in there then definitely

[Aegnarion]

[[ I'm definitely working on something so keep your eyes peeled. I've got work to deal with atm but once that's out the way the cogs are gonna start turning. I think I would, after a few days of thinking like to incorporate some kind of pvp event within the guild.. keep the ideas coming i'm open to them all. Perhaps Good vs Evil, we will see! ]]

[Kevynne]

I rp onall of my toons really. lol :p would prolly throw all my alts in the rp guild :D
(i exclusively play elves :p with some exepctions that it)

[Vellatri]

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Because the population here is so low, I propose things be kept simple at first. Two rules:

1) Follow the server's naming policy.
2) OOC must be indicated as such in guildchat.

Regarding OOC, it might help to keep in mind that much of what passes for normal chat can still be considered "in-character." Consider:

A) Hail, Lord Aegnarion! Care for a swig? <hands the soldier a beer>
B) Anyone want to join me in Crushbone?
C) OMG, this noob totally just trained on me! He probably voted for <insert political buffoon here>.

A and B wouldn't require an OOC indicator, but C would.

Regarding factions, I say simply allow them to form ad hoc within the guild. If it grows enough and there's interest, split later. Convenience can easily be justified in-character. Consider:

I play a dark elf shadowknight and I have the opportunity to kill orcs with Aegnarion, a half elf paladin. Rather than pass up the opportunity, I simply justify it thusly:

Vellatri prefers to be a dark puppetmaster working behind the scenes. She sees that this pawn has a flaming sword that could be a useful tool in crippling the defenses at Crushbone, and that he has the energy and willingness to do so. This would undermine the efforts of the Neriak warrior's guild and the unworthy king. She doesn't have to like him, she just likes to use him.

See how easy that was? Come to think of it, a similar manipulative justificaiton could be adopted for the formation of my kind of guild. Yes, Aegnarion?
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[Aegnarion]

((
Because the population here is so low, I propose things be kept simple at first. Two rules:

1) Follow the server's naming policy.
2) OOC must be indicated as such in guildchat.

Regarding OOC, it might help to keep in mind that much of what passes for normal chat can still be considered "in-character." Consider:

A) Hail, Lord Aegnarion! Care for a swig? <hands the soldier a beer>
B) Anyone want to join me in Crushbone?
C) OMG, this noob totally just trained on me! He probably voted for <insert political buffoon here>.

A and B wouldn't require an OOC indicator, but C would.

Regarding factions, I say simply allow them to form ad hoc within the guild. If it grows enough and there's interest, split later. Convenience can easily be justified in-character. Consider:

I play a dark elf shadowknight and I have the opportunity to kill orcs with Aegnarion, a half elf paladin. Rather than pass up the opportunity, I simply justify it thusly:

Vellatri prefers to be a dark puppetmaster working behind the scenes. She sees that this pawn has a flaming sword that could be a useful tool in crippling the defenses at Crushbone, and that he has the energy and willingness to do so. This would undermine the efforts of the Neriak warrior's guild and the unworthy king. She doesn't have to like him, she just likes to use him.

See how easy that was? Come to think of it, a similar manipulative justificaiton could be adopted for the formation of my kind of guild. Yes, Aegnarion?
))

[[ You made a very big important point there, I will definitely not be under any circumstances allow stupid names to join. I take character names pretty seriously, whilst I don't expect all to research and have a meaning behind theirs, at least make it fantasy based/sounding..

Secondly your example was a pretty good one. That is the kind of thing I'm talking about as to why I want OOC indicated. It doesn't sit right with me for you to say A in character then say C OOC but not indicating it.. in some situations it will be harder to tell if you genuinely are in character or OOC... like B for example.

Third, I don't think my character would allow you to think of him as a 'pawn' and manipulate him, he is smarts :cool:]]

[Vellatri]

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My overall point with the guildchat example is that speaking plainly isn't necessarily out of character. I was mostly addressing Ephirith's concern:
One problem is people's styles of roleplaying can differ dramatically. Me, for instance... I write stories occasionally on the forums but I very rarely ever roleplay in-game. It's also questionable to enforce a certain style of speech: why would someone call Kuriak m'lord when for the bulk of his career he was a wretched squire, pawn, knave, and a member of a lower order of iksar. Frankly, speaking in Ye Olde Englishe isn't relevant to my perception of most of EQ lore.
Things like "I'm busy hunting bears," "Anyone selling a decent 1-hander for paladins," or "How was the raid," can all be considered in-character, in my opinion. They're more or less in keeping with something you might expect a NPC to say. It's not like you have to actively change the way you speak just to remain in character. Simply avoid things that are obviously immersion-breaking.

In my experience in a guild that had a similar policy, it was enough to deter most unnecessary garbage. Avoiding talk of politics, TV, dewdspeak, or other trash is a big reason why some might feel the draw to a roleplay guild. Necessitating the use of OOC indicators for immersion-breaking chat makes it possible to discuss OOC things like game mechanics if necessary, but usually prevents it from getting out of control.

One can allow oneself to be immersed in the world without putting on a performance. Of course, colorful language and large imaginations can be strongly encouraged, even if they're not mandated.
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Yes, of course you're VERY smart, Aegnarion, Wielder of Soulfire. <nods sagely>

[Lexical]

An RP guild would be awesome! I would definitely be down to join.

I do have some reservations though with trying to mix evil and good together too much. How can a follower of Mithaniel Marr group with a child of Innoruuk? Or better yet, how could a paladin of Rodcet Nife ever be around a follower of Bertoxxulous? They are just too polar opposites. I guess the characters in the guild would have to have some animosity towards one another if we were to keep everything unified, but if I am playing a healer of Rodcet Nife, in order to stay in character, I could never condone the actions of a necromancer of Bertoxxulous as they want to spread disease and blah blah blah you all know the back story.

There are exceptions of course. I have RPed as a necromancer and my friend as a paladin and we RPed that we were brothers and we had some complicated back story about our father being slain by the undead etc. to tie it together, but in general, it would be hard to make such a bind to hold a very open RP guild together.

If the majority wants to make a unified RP guild, I would make an agnostic character just to be apart of it. Probably a half-elf bard, but I am almost positive I would lapse into something along these lines http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BZwuTo7zKM8#t=17s

I like the idea of having a Good and Evil guild though. I would have characters for both of them. If a lot of people had characters in both, we still have the numbers without weakening the immersion too much.

[Stinkum]

Cool idea but mixing good and evil ruins the immersion, thus defeating the whole purpose of RP.

[Aegnarion]

Cool idea but mixing good and evil ruins the immersion, thus defeating the whole purpose of RP.

[[ Kinda hard when the population wouldn't support a full good or evil guild... but I agree personally... I really would like an all good guild.
@Lexi I agree it doesn't sit right, but still it would be hard to create a following of just one side... I will have to see what I can brainstorm.]]

[lolondar]

Ok why not make a Grand adventurers type guild its been done in many a fantasy novel yes its harder to roleplay but why not i mean its been done have everyone allowed in it and have some people despise each other but because your working towards the same goal its ok just this once

[Stinkum]

I suppose it depends on your goals and vision. Do you want this guild to be a raiding guild? If so, then it is clear that you have to mix good and evil (you're going to need Shamans and the like).

If you're just looking to RP in guildchat, make friends and XP together then that's another story. There was a guild on this server right when Kunark launched that was Iksar-only, they never raided or anything serious, but it was what it was.

[Vellatri]

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How can a follower of Mithaniel Marr group with a child of Innoruuk? Or better yet, how could a paladin of Rodcet Nife ever be around a follower of Bertoxxulous? They are just too polar opposites.
Chains. Duh.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't expect the guild (the game mechanic) to be the same Guild (in-character group) that every player belongs to. Does that make sense? At least to begin with, we can simply use the game mechanic to unite like-minded players while their unlike-minded characters have their own informal factions if they so desire. The characters do not have to acknowledge the existence of the guild.

This seems to be a good way to start because this may turn out to be only a small bunch of people. Splitting into two tiny groups prematurely might kill off one, leaving no real place for characters of that alignment. It may also be hard for the evil group to find enchanters and bards, for example.
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[Lexical]

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This seems to be a good way to start because this may turn out to be only a small bunch of people. Splitting into two tiny groups prematurely might kill off one, leaving no real place for characters of that alignment. It may also be hard for the evil group to find enchanters and bards, for example.
))

I understand that our numbers would be small at first, but I figured if we started a good and an evil guild simultaneously while still having some public medium for the two guilds to talk to one another. It would have the same unifying effect without having to be under the same banner and thus spoil the immersion. For example, everyone in both guilds could hang out in an IRC channel and find groups or w/e that way. It could also be the OOC medium the guild wants. The two guilds also wouldn't affect raiding that much because Good and Evil can always work together to slay a dragon.... well unless you follow Veeshan, but who the heck follows Veeshan?

On a side note, will there be a vote on what to name the guild(s)?

[Vellatri]

((
+1 Lexical
Could be interesting to coordinate the names, too.
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[Aegnarion]

[[ Honestly guys, to set something like that up requires me to put a damn lot of trust in another player to keep it running, if they cave in essentially my guild would cave in too... I just dunno if I would want to risk that. People that signed up for the two guilds might leave and essentially it would have to be a reform. However I'll probably come up with a bunch of names, set up a site and those who are going to join will be able to vote on the name, having said that I will probably require that only MAINS get to vote considering its a tag we are going to be repping full time ]]

[Lexical]

[[ Honestly guys, to set something like that up requires me to put a damn lot of trust in another player to keep it running, if they cave in essentially my guild would cave in too... I just dunno if I would want to risk that. People that signed up for the two guilds might leave and essentially it would have to be a reform.
The guilds would effectively operate independently though. They would just have some medium to communicate with one another so someone could jump on their good character in the other guild or vice verse. I don't see how one guild failing would make the other one fail? If the evil guild doesn't get enough supporters then the good guild would still exist just fine.


However I'll probably come up with a bunch of names, set up a site and those who are going to join will be able to vote on the name, having said that I will probably require that only MAINS get to vote considering its a tag we are going to be repping full time ]]

Okay so, my main is already in a guild, but I don't RP with him. He was chosen when a group of my friends decided to join this server and we tried to build a very universal group. I honestly play my alts more and those are the ones I RP with. In essence, one or two of my alts could easily become a main. Will I still be able to vote?

[Kender]

I understand that our numbers would be small at first, but I figured if we started a good and an evil guild simultaneously while still having some public medium for the two guilds to talk to one another. It would have the same unifying effect without having to be under the same banner and thus spoil the immersion. For example, everyone in both guilds could hang out in an IRC channel and find groups or w/e that way. It could also be the OOC medium the guild wants. The two guilds also wouldn't affect raiding that much because Good and Evil can always work together to slay a dragon.... well unless you follow Veeshan, but who the heck follows Veeshan?

On a side note, will there be a vote on what to name the guild(s)?

my bard

[Lexical]

Sorry :(

[Aegnarion]

[[ trouble being it's too awkward to use out of everquest chat programs for a medium guild chat... I'd rather just keep it all under one roof. It's easier to put together and also to manage. As far as voting goes you would have to show some real commitment, as I said this is my main, I have to carry the tag around with me and so do others, so I would want to make sure it is a decent one. But yea chances are if you was signed up to the site and putting forward ideas I'd consider you a contributor gaining a vote. ]]

[Ephirith]

I prefer a decentralized, free-association of roleplayers with no requirement for alignment, OOC, or specific roleplaying style.

The guild could be represented as a kind of Federation or Council, with everybody guilded regardless of alignment. Characters would then be divided into subgroups based on their alignment, or even their chosen style of roleplay. (For example Good, Evil, Neutral, or even 'Tunare', 'Iksar', 'Elf', 'Antonican' if you really want to split hairs). Guild leadership would be shared among representatives, one from each subgroup.

If a good wants to group with an evil, that's fine-- you're a member of the same organization, and your representative has an equal 1/3 say in the goals and policy of the guild. At the same time, nobody is forcing you to group outside of your alignment, but you still share the same tag and guildchat.

For the sake of explanation let's say the guild is called 'The Crescent Covenant" or crescent council, or something that represents the union and duality of light and dark (A crescent being the moon in shadow). The concept of eclipse works too. Anyway, let's say the good side is doing its own thing but one day it wants to raid the Plane of Sky, but it needs help. The good representative goes to the council and proposes a joint-raid kind of thing. Neutral council member/representative/co-leader thinks that sounds swell, and says the non-aligned want to attend. Evil can decide whether that particular raid or event fits their worldview, and attend if they'd like.

It's up to the guild how you'd want to interpret that participation-- cooperation for the greater good? A duty to serve the will of the council when it is required? Quid pro quo? The important idea is that everybody is under the same tag, in the same guildchat, but still with some degree of insulation. Want to do a good-only event? Go for it. Want to arrange some kind of combat between good and evil? Still works.

Just some ideas

[Lexical]

Fair enough. :D

[Aegnarion]

[[ Ephirith you put forward a good argument, but I feel that it's on the danger line of too many sub groups.

The main aim of the guild is just to create a welcoming home for roleplayers of the server, or even pull a few out from the existing population that feel they have never been able to show it. I'm not trying to badger anyone into a specific style but ooc indications again will be mandatory. Also I'm not expecting LOADS of guild members. I know there would be enough, but I don't think that it will be an overpopulated guild so to speak, therefor I think splitting good/evil is personally, a bad idea.

What i'm trying to say is I enjoy roleplaying, even though it doesn't fit my style to mix with innoruuk for the greater good of the community I am trying to build, it might just be best to go for the unity idea in plan 1 ]]

[Lexical]

The guild could be an organization like the Illuminati? You could probably mix both good and evil virtues into a secret organization trying to control the events of Norrath. It would still allow for some animosity too as the organization could easily fight amongst itself since its specific goals are not quite clear, but the whole goal is universally ambiguous enough to umbrella all races and religions.

[Aegnarion]

The guild could be an organization like the Illuminati? You could probably mix both good and evil virtues into a secret organization trying to control the events of Norrath. It would still allow for some animosity too as the organization could easily fight amongst itself since its specific goals are not quite clear, but the whole goal is universally ambiguous enough to umbrella all races and religions.

[[ Genius. Literally have nothing to say right now. Gonna be off till tomorrow evening, keep the ideas coming people! ]]

[Vellatri]

The guild could be an organization like the Illuminati? You could probably mix both good and evil virtues into a secret organization trying to control the events of Norrath. It would still allow for some animosity too as the organization could easily fight amongst itself since its specific goals are not quite clear, but the whole goal is universally ambiguous enough to umbrella all races and religions.
Lexical, who let you in? I need names. Oh, and don't bother locking your door tonight; it won't do you any good.

[Lexical]

Lexical, who let you in? I need names. Oh, and don't bother locking your door tonight; it won't do you any good.

Silly boy, the locks on my doors are for your protection not mine. :D

[Vellatri]

Silly boy
Where? <looks confused>

[Lexical]

Where? <looks confused>

touché

[Peekae]

I would possibly be interested in this if its still going to happen

[Lexical]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/159/326/Op_will_surely_deliver_RE_Weird_Video_Game_Facts_P art_7-s500x375-138152.jpg

[John2020]

I am the mighty knight sorceror of dark magic arts. I walk up to your guild and ask for permission to join. I come from the far land of Baligoth and I was the most brilliant knight out of all the knaves.

[John2020]

I recieve permission slip to join the guild. My face brights up and I smile loudly. I whistle a short tune and go about my business. I stop at the local inn and ask for directions to the cafeteria. I order a delicious golden turkey sandwich and bring it back to the guild and ask anyone if they want some. I whistle a short tune as I walk out for adventure!

[Bubbles]

Well, the best way to /roleplay good and evil joining forces would be an arranged marriage bringing two warring factions together for the sake of a greater good.

You know, like Romeo and Juliet.. or uhhh.. the Brady Bunch!

[Aegnarion]

[[ work ends this sunday, big party bla bla, the wheels will be in motion! ]]

[Dotx3]

This idea seems great to me, I'd love for it to actually be a success!
I love Lexical's Illuminati idea as well! Another suggestion might be an "end of the world" type thing, where everyone has to band together in order to save Norrath or something along those lines.

[Aegnarion]

[[ just a heads up on how this is going to form. I will brainstorm 3-4 names for the guild. With each name will come a BASIC story about the guild and how it came to be, what their goals are etc etc. Then I will put it to a vote, with either A) a poll or B) inbox me your option or C) both. Once the name is decided the basic story will be built upon a lot more to make the back story a good read and great guild lore, a website will be created with bare bones ( forum, roster, news page) and eventually the final product.. /petition I want to form a guild called <xxxxxxxxxx> thanks =) ]]

[Aegnarion]

[[ Okay, big idea. Was speaking to a friend in-game Vlasic. He suggested the guild wars idea but I said no to having two guilds due to no shared chat. Then he suggested two more guilds with level 24 non twinked characters. Pick a zone, time etc and make it your battleground. Keep our mains tagged with the main guild, to RP and stuff. Even allow power leveling to 24 as long as you remain untwinked at 24. Before each event there will be an objective posted on website, with a story of why the zone is locked in war, what you can do to win and rule set. Discuss. ]]

[jose_teancum]

Vlasic here... This server has no guild wars. I was suggesting to Aegnarion that he have three guilds. The primary one is where all of the mains go. Twinked, untwinked. It makes no difference.

The other two guilds are for guild wars only. One good. One evil. The toons are untwinked level 24's. Buying all of their spells for them is fine. Weekly (if not more), the guild logs on their untwinkie level 24 alts. A zone is picked to be the battleground and the two teams fight to the death.

Thoughts?

[Aegnarion]

[[ Wouldn't be accepting twinks to the main guild! strictly RP character building only ;) ]]

[jose_teancum]

I could live with that.

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[jose_teancum]

BTW... My battle toon will be a good aligned ogre warrior. He fell in love with a dwarf woman once and at her deathbed, he promised her that he would bury his evil nature with her. Since then he has adopted a personal struggle to protect those that are good even if he must kill those of his own race.

[Aegnarion]

BTW... My battle toon will be a good aligned ogre warrior. He fell in love with a dwarf woman once and at her deathbed, he promised her that he would bury his evil nature with her. Since then he has adopted a personal struggle to protect those that are good even if he must kill those of his own race.

[[ this is the kind of story required for a completely good aligned guild. However I know many are against that idea.. ]]

[Autumnbow]

I can't help that I'm evil :(

[Lexical]

[[ Okay, big idea. Was speaking to a friend in-game Vlasic. He suggested the guild wars idea but I said no to having two guilds due to no shared chat. Then he suggested two more guilds with level 24 non twinked characters. Pick a zone, time etc and make it your battleground. Keep our mains tagged with the main guild, to RP and stuff. Even allow power leveling to 24 as long as you remain untwinked at 24. Before each event there will be an objective posted on website, with a story of why the zone is locked in war, what you can do to win and rule set. Discuss. ]]

This seems like this is a lot of work and restricts the amount of people who would join by quite a bit. I would prefer just to have some medium of grouping together in an RP fashion. Some battlegrounds would be fun though.

I don't know though. My idea for an IRC channel would be a lot less restrictive than this and you seemed very opposed to it.

[lolondar]

I like the idea for the lvl 24 stuff but why not do it to 30? alot of chars get new abilities around 30 :D i like the role playing idea even more!

[Vellatri]

This seems like this is a lot of work and restricts the amount of people who would join by quite a bit. I would prefer just to have some medium of grouping together in an RP fashion.
Pretty much my opinion. All the other stuff doesn't appeal to me, but I don't have a lot of free time.

[Autumnbow]

This seems like this is a lot of work and restricts the amount of people who would join by quite a bit. I would prefer just to have some medium of grouping together in an RP fashion. Some battlegrounds would be fun though.

Also how I feel. It would be great to have arena battles, but there's really no need to require anyone to level an untwinked alt for it. PvP is never going to be fair, and since it's done just for fun then I see no reason to make strange restrictions about it.

[John2020]

I TURN AWAY FROMT HE GUILD LEADER AND I SAY "IM SORRY BUT I AM GOING TO QUIT". HE BEGS ME TO STAY AND HE says under no circumstances will i leave. I tell him its OK i'm going to give out my equipment to everyone in the game. I will give back to the invisible society inside the game. I am handing out all my equipment to the first 5 people who write some fine material for my story. This will be the gift of the century.

[Aegnarion]

[[ sorry not been around, had a terrible family crisis. Will keep you guys updated but for now real life is coming first. ]]

[lolondar]

(( RL comes first! hope your family crisis ends in a good way!!! if its possible!!!)

[Aegnarion]

[[ Unfortunately not possible, lost a family member :( ]]

[lolondar]

(( condolences friend :( ))

[Aegnarion]

[[ forgot to mention earlier, also accepting name suggestions via inbox, let me know! ]]

[Aegnarion]

[[ Offical word in - We are going to be a guild with a similar base of the Illuminati. I feel it is the only way to truly unite all races with one being, considering we wont be united representing as a race, but as a secret society. I.E Iksar still hate everyone, but when we are together Iksar members will love each member as if their own hatchlings. However when seen out and about, you still continue to show great displeasure to other races. (poor explanation I know but it's hard to put it into words). ]]

[Aegnarion]

[[ First post updated, please check and share thoughts ]]

[Lexical]

Vox Populi translates to Voice of the people, not voice of people >.<

[Graahle]

It's also an established Anarchy Online Organization (aka "Guild" in AO).

[Aegnarion]

Vox Populi translates to Voice of the people, not voice of people >.<

[[ yea was meant to say that, where I copied and pasted it across I accidently deleted a few words from some names and forgot to re-add it :) ]]

[Lexical]

[[ yea was meant to say that, where I copied and pasted it across I accidently deleted a few words from some names and forgot to re-add it :) ]]

it's all good :P

[Autumnbow]

I'm not a huge fan of the latin names, myself. Something like Fellowship of the... Blue Lotus? would be better, in my opinion. Fellowship is a good word here.

[Aegnarion]

[[ I just feel that latin names tie in well with the concept of the guild, secretive and hidden in the shadows of Norrath. But if you have any non latin names to add, send them to my inbox, I'll pick a few good ones to put in the poll ]]

[Aegnarion]

[[ Oh I might add, the poll will be going up in 1 more days time, last few chance to get some names in. ]]

[Vellatri]

Something like Fellowship of the... Blue Lotus?
I know what you're all thinking, but wouldn't a Black Lotus fit the narrative better? Black being a combination of all colors, dark, light, and in between.

[Dotx3]

I can't help myself from picturing a dark elf version of Mr. Miyagi when I read "blue lotus" haha.

[Lexical]

fellowship of the black lotus is pretty cool imo

[Aegnarion]

[[ poll goes up in 2 more names time ]]

[Bubbles]

fellowship of the black lotus is pretty cool imo

or < Black Fellows > for short.

[Lexical]

or < Black Fellows > for short.

Excellent! :D

[Aegnarion]

[[ poll up! Make your vote count! ]]

[Vellatri]

or < Black Fellows > for short.
The Black Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Company), anyone?

[Aegnarion]

All hail to thee, Lexical. On this day they pledge their alliance within these four walls to protect and grow this secret order. [[ Say hello to your new officer of the guild, Lexical! ]]

[Vellatri]

<nods at Lexical, with a slight grin.> ((Congrats!))

((Oh, and poo on "Black Lotus" splitting the conservative vote with "Fellowship of the Black Lotus!" Shenanigans! Should have had a primary...))

[Lexical]

<Stands and raises a mug of ale in the air> To our secret society! May no imposter pierce these walls of shadow as we delve our hands into every corner of Norrath!

[[Thanks guys :D **drinks beer**]]

[Aegnarion]

[[ my bad input wrong date for poll to end, consider this closed as a new one will go up tomorrow with the top 4 voted ( in this case it will be 5 due to a tie )]]

[Aegnarion]

This message is hidden because Ogre is on your ignore list.

[[ dam you still here brah? ]]

[Aegnarion]

[[ In Tenebris Nos Esse - In Darkness We Exist
Fellowship Of The Black Lotus
Ignotus - Unknown
Black Lotus
Vox Populi - Voice of The People
These are the top 5 voted names. I will compose a short scenario for each in the upcoming days as I have time and they will go to a final vote off.]]

[Vellatri]

Can we just drop Black Lotus? It's too similar to FotBL, and I'm pretty sure those that voted for one would vote for the other. It's kind of like having "In Tenebris Nos Esse" up against "Nos Esse In Tenebris." Just a thought.

[Aegnarion]

[[ Too late to drop it, it's had enough votes to be considered as the actual guild name. Personally I prefer just Black Lotus anyway, not too keen on the word Fellowship myself. ]]

[Vellatri]

((That's cool. As long as we can do instant runoff voting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_runoff_voting) for the finals.))

[Aegnarion]

[[ We'll see, still writing up a basic story for each.. nothing too long, but just want to get the guild going! :) ]]

[Kevynne]

anyone remember the guild <It's a Small World>? it was on here, and on RZ... was dwarf gnome halfling only.... And they let in ogres for comical effect :P

[Bumblebeard]

((I would definitely join this guild, I was hoping there were some roleplayers here. I vote "In Tenebris Nos Esse" for the name.))

[Aegnarion]

((I would definitely join this guild, I was hoping there were some roleplayers here. I vote "In Tenebris Nos Esse" for the name.))

[[ Stay tuned for poll 2, make sure you vote for that name ( it's my favourite too ;) )! ]]

[ForeverLost]

I would be honored to join your ranks :)

[Aegnarion]

[[ sorry for the delay guys, been really hectic this week... promise an update will come soon ]]

[Vellatri]

((Hah! By the time you finish your hectic week and get things rolling, my hectic week will be starting. Somehow, I get the feeling this isn't going to be an intense raiding guild. :p

Take it easy; RL first.

Edit: Another thought; you could take the top 3 instead of 5. Reducing the pool from 8 to 5 seems like a waste of time, especially if you're doing write-ups for each.))

[Raavak]

Just having an RP outlet would be nice, raiding or not. (I actually probably would join with a new toon just to RP).

[Aegnarion]

[[ going to squash all thoughts now of some people (no-one in particular just in case anyone is thinking this). This guild is in no way intended to be a raiding guild, nor a high end guild. Should we get a surge of members that make it to 50 or recruit said players then perhaps a few planar clears will be in order, time will only tell. As of now I want this purely to be a tavern if you will to welcome all roleplayers of the server, main or alt, to come in and immerse themselves fully for awhile or even just to light RP. I'm not requiring members to be super active, but I would ask kindly if you are gonna be away 2 weeks + let us know! Thanks! I've written up 2/5 stories so far, when time allows the other 3 will be on the way and then I will post all and put it to a vote! Adios ]]

[Vellatri]

((Nah, never expected it to be a raiding guild. I was just observing that we "roleplayers" seem to be very casual, taking our RL obligations seriously. If the goal was raiding, I, for one, wouldn't have any interest.))

[Lexical]

I chuckled a bit at the thought of a bunch of roleplayers trying to go toe-to-toe with TMO, BDA, and FE in the raiding scene.

[Lexical]

"WHAT IS THIS? The gods denied us our booty! We hath slain thine dragon. What more could thee ask of us? We cast the first javelin deep into the heart of the beast whilst our armies stood at the ready on the neighboring hill."

[Ephirith]

"WHAT IS THIS? The gods denied us our booty! We hath slain thine dragon. What more could thee ask of us? We cast the first javelin deep into the heart of the beast whilst our armies stood at the ready on the neighboring hill."

lol

[Vellatri]

((I was thinking that it might be interesting to see what other back stories other players can come up with. This should be a group effort, after all.))

[Lexical]

Send me your back-stories as I would love the input. :D

Or we could keep the back-story open and let the forum decide what they think? I am fine for either way and I am sure Aeg will be cool with the idea too.

[Slave]

The anagram of Fellowship of the Black Lotus sounds a lot like a European trying to pronounce Football. So there's that.

[dragonfists]

this guild needs to get going, just imagine the funs already

[Aegnarion]

[[ really sorry for people wanting to just get the guild going, with a funeral to plan, and other things going on in my life atm, this is kind of low on my priority list ]]

[1203jjt]

(I'm interested in joining, for sure. I've never been a part of an official RP guild, but I like to RP on my characters anyways...)

[Lexical]

Okay gang, I have the basics covered with a long established secret order bent on controlling every facet of major Norrathian affairs, but the manifestation of a black lotus into the past is proving difficult. I came up with one idea which I will post below, but I don't quite like it. I strongly encourage people to give me your input or post a story of your own creation.

------My idea for materializing Black Lotus into our guild's past--------

During the Age of Blood when Soulesk Ro was converting the Elddar Forest into what is now the vast desert of Ro, many elven druids fought against the Lord of Flame's curse to keep the lush forest alive. Alas, without the direct aide of Tunare, the elves were fighting an already lost war. After the fall of Takish-Hiz, the elves dispersed throughout Norrath, most taking refuge far away on the continent of Faydwer.

The beginning of our guild starts with a group of once proud elven nobles but now simple gypsies wandering through the seemingly ceaseless desert of Ro. They cursed Soulesk Ro for destroying their empire as well as the lush land that once was around them, but one cursed Tunare more for her absence during the elven plight. As the nobles trudged through the sea of sand dunes, one tripped and fell into a desolate crevice that was once a flowing stream ripe with lily pads and wildlife. As the elven noble picked himself up, he noticed a single flower wading in the sea of sand. It was a lotus flower that was blackened by the curse of Soulesk Ro but surprisingly still alive despite it. The noble quickly scooped up the black lotus and stored it with his belongings.

As days passed, the elven noble's envy of the flower's power to ignore the gods' combined will grew as did the noble's fascination with the flower's success. The elven noble vowed to build a society that was free from the will of the gods much like the flower did. The elven noble kept the flower as well as his animosity towards the gods a secret from the others as it would be looked upon as heresy.

Much of our history is lost past then, but it is rumored amongst our guild that the noble gypsies joined with a group of wandering barbarians in the now Qeynos Hills. Due to their noble upbringing, the elves were able to impart much wisdom and powerful magic to these barbarians. The once noble elves taught many generations of these barbarians as elves live much longer lives than the children of Marr and with each passing generation, the bonds between the two races grew. Eventually crossbreeding occurred and thus humans arrived onto Norrath.

Our founder, the wielder of the black lotus, passed down his wisdom and teachings to each of his children when they were of age while urging his offspring to keep his dream of a resilient society as well as the black lotus a secret. On his deathbed, our founder entrusted the care of the black lotus to his most apt and intelligent child. This secret tutelage was the genesis of our great guild.


-----the end?----

Our leader can then be the wielder of the black lotus or something. Everyone's thoughts? Good? Bad? I suck at writing? Less sand, more elf on barbarian action?

[1203jjt]

(How about more elf on dwarf action? :p Overall though, I like the back story for integrating the concept of the "Black Lotus" into the guild's history. After all, Tunare, like most females, is bound to be a fickle goddess ;) )

[Vellatri]

((Good stuff, Lexical! I like it.

This is loosely based on the colors of Magic: The Gathering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering#Colors_of_Magic) and the so-called pentagon of color (http://img35.exs.cx/img35/1016/colourwheel4an.png). Some of you may remember that the Black Lotus in that game provided a sort of power from any of the game's colors. Feel free to improve upon it.))

An old story is told of a lotus blossom with five petals that each had a consciousness of their own. In their individuality, they chose unique colors for themselves - one red, one green, one white, one blue, and one black. Each petal was positioned so that it sat nearest those two that were more like-minded than the two across from it; the fringes of each petal overlapped with its nearest companions in both mind and body.

And so it was that each petal on the blossom was joined in a simple circle consisting of allegiances and oppositions. The red petal was befriended by both the green and black, but opposed the white and blue. And so it was for the others. One could never impose its will upon another, for it would always lose an ally in the effort while provoking another enemy. Despite their differences, a balance and harmony existed.

Over time, unions between the first petals gave birth to the new - an outer ring with unique colors of their own. In this manner, the blossom flowered into a series of beautiful rings consisting of every color imaginable. From a distance the lotus appeared black, as often happens from mixing too many pigments together, for it would absorb all forms of light. However, if one took the time to look more closely, one would observe the beauty of the intricate web of color.

And indeed a web it was. Each strand was connected to many, resulting in a complex network of friends, foes, and everything in between. When one strand would pull too hard, two or three more pulled back against it - threatening to break its support and thus ensuring either its compliance or its death. If the first strand sought to bind more to its cause, its aim would be frustrated by the tangled complexity that eventually bound its potential allies to its opposition.

In Norrath, the wise elves know this game well. The Koada'Dal and Feir'Dal unite against the orcs that threaten their land, who in turn are employed by Neriak. The Teir'Dal Queen's necromancers keep the King and his warriors in check, but are certainly no friends of Felwithe or Kelethin. And, of course, this web envelops all the myriad peoples of the world, as any human or erudite knows all too well.

Such a delicate and yet confusing blossom must continually maintain balance if it is to survive, else one portion will begin to wilt and the corruption will spread to the whole of the flower. It is not by chance that there are so many that thrive in the world, without one or two dominating the others and thus sealing its doom. We have been there before, and we will not suffer a return to such destruction. We will use our varying influences to preserve the powers of Norrath in a prismatic order. We are the thread pullers that direct the tension of each strand, no matter how wayward, toward unity and strength. We are the collective representatives of the petals. We are the webspinners. We are the Order of the Black Lotus.

[1203jjt]

( ^Yes. This one made me want fight and quest alongside fellow guild members for the good of all Norath, even if the masses are unaware of our sacrifices. I'm impressed at the 2 submissions that have been given today. Thanks to both of you for taking the time to get involved! )

[Lexical]

I like it Vellatri, but I especially like...

We are the Order of the Black Lotus.

Order of the Black Lotus rolls off the tongue a bit better than Fellowship of the Black Lotus.

Keep the submissions coming guys and we can get this guild rolling!

[Vellatri]

((Yeah, I thought that seemed like a superior fit. More precise as well as better sounding. Why not take a few liberties? Nothing regarding this nonexistent guild is written in stone yet.))

[1203jjt]

(I third the motion of changing it to "Order of the Black Lotus" for whatever it's worth. "Fellowship" just makes me think LOTR every time I hear it.

I never role played back on live, but I find myself getting more and more irritated by people who want to talk about things like real world POLITICS in a fantasy game. I play EQ to escape that sort of thing, so I'm quite excited by the possibilities this potential guild represents.)

[Lexical]

[[
Hail all RPers of Norrath! We are at our final legs of this noble journey and only require one more bit of input! But first, congratulations are in order to Vellatri for being promoted to officer of our soon to be named guild.

Now it is business time. We have one more vote to consider: the name of our guild. In order for you to vote for the guild name of your choice, post in the forum the name/class/level of the character you are signing to the guild as well as any back story you wish to provide followed by your vote for the name of the guild. The back story is not necessary but encouraged.

For the name of the guild you have the choice between "In Tenebris Nos Esse," "Ignotus," and "The Order of the Black Lotus." Get your votes in quickly! I will be cutting off the polls by the end of this week unless there is a good reason not to.

Cheers to everyone!

Acelin/Paladin/23
In Tenebris Nos Esse
]]

[Aegnarion]

[[ Sorry I have not been around much recently, my life has had some dramatic changes recently and I fear I will not be around to be able to help create this guild so I wish you guys the best of luck, maybe if circumstances change I can join up when you guys are up and rolling. I haven't had a chance to sit down and play EQ at all over the past few weeks, and I am sorry for the long delay, I really wish you guys the best ]]

[Lexical]

[[ Sorry I have not been around much recently, my life has had some dramatic changes recently and I fear I will not be around to be able to help create this guild so I wish you guys the best of luck, maybe if circumstances change I can join up when you guys are up and rolling. I haven't had a chance to sit down and play EQ at all over the past few weeks, and I am sorry for the long delay, I really wish you guys the best ]]

[[ Sorry to hear that mate :( You will always be a welcome member of our society]]

[Lexical]

[[Also, with the recent departure of our beloved Aegnarion, if anyone would be interested in officer status please PM me or post on the thread with your vote and I will get in contact with you.

Let's not let the dream of a RP guild die when we are so close to its genesis!]]

[1203jjt]

(Congratulations, Vellatri! As for characters, I think I'll make my first foray into roleplaying with my paladin alternate (lvl 4). If it's as much fun as I anticipate, I could see joining with my necro main (lvl 12) or shaman (lvl 11) as well.)

Hail! I have been adventuring for some 4 seasons or so, questing, traveling, and...well, let me start from the beginning. As a young, dwarf paladin hailing from the sturdy city of Kaladim, I set out to make my mark upon the world, naively thinking the world would be full of other creatures full of religious devotion and honor to assist me in my journey. However, I have all ready begun to suspect that my initial world-view might be wrong. I have had a few run ins with the foul creatures of Crush Bone--orcs, I am told by the elves. Thanks to my devotion to the Higher Power, I was saved from sure defeat by a miraculous restoration of my health. It seems that I am blessed to have some magic to assist me in my adventures, and for that, at least, I am thankful.

Although I loathe the evil that seems to exist in Norrath, I'm inexperienced enough to believe that some small shred of good exists in all creatures, however twisted they might be. Perhaps the only way to save their wretched souls is to end their misery permanently--extinguishing the hate and malice that seeps across so much of the land. I have heard rumors of a "force" in Norrath...one Order of the Black Lotus that is subtly intertwined with the workings of this world. I trust that my curiosity has not led me astray when I say that I seek to join this shadowed order, trusting that my efforts will go toward good and pure ends...

Thaurin

(I hope that all fit the bill...once again, this is my first attempt at this sort of thing :) )

[Vellatri]

((Aegnarion, it's good to see someone with priorities in line. Sorry to hear things aren't going so well, but at least you're not allowing the game to make it worse as so many, sadly, do. Good luck.

Lexical, my vote is for "Order of the Black Lotus." I assume we don't want another "The" preceding "Order," correct?

My character will be Vellatri, a level 13 Dark Elf Shadowknight. She's actually my main. (Don't laugh.) Story to come; right now I just want to get my vote in.

Thanks for the promotion! Can I expect to see the merit increase after the next pay period?

1203jjt, very good. Honestly, I'll be fairly happy as long as the guild doesn't chat about politics, television, or how many balls the GMs suck. If someone wants to roleplay a mime, that's fine by me.))

[Ketu Garyx]

Having spoken to Xantier last night he convinced me to take a look at this thread. I am completely interested. As a forum RPer and a lover of Everquest Lore I would be very pleased to join an RP style guild.

Recently I have thrown away my old characters and have decided to start anew (not with no gear mind you, but anew) and am looking to immerse myself into a new guild and enjoy the game.

Roleplay is one thing that I truly enjoy, and if you will have this humble Ranger I will certainly be joining!

Arthoron Ettinbane

[1203jjt]

( I'm glad you found us, Arthoron :) I had fun grouping with you last night (Xantier here). A bit of necro/ranger kiting might be in our future I think ;)

As for the guild, I'm sure everyone would be happy to have another interested member. Take a look at the guild names we're voting on (see Lexical's post on page 13) and make sure to cast your vote. I hope to see you in game soon! )

[Vellatri]

((Just an update:

Lexical is going to be sparse for a little while, so I'm willing to get things started. I already have some of you on my list, but please contact me (either /tell or PM here) with your character names if you're interested. When I have five interested players on at the same time, I'll create the guild. After that hurdle, it should be much easier to get people invited and grow the group.

See you in-game!))