View Full Version : What do you think about PL'ers?
Vladigan
10-21-2012, 03:11 PM
So I am curious how the server feels about this. When it comes to people power-leveling others, what is your take on how it affects the server population and overall health?
1.) Think its fine, and everyone should be PLing an alt.
2.) Think its detrimental to the health of the server and undermines the efforts of lower level players
3.) Believe it should be regulated or have a rule implicated to limit the places and/or times you can PL
4.) Really have no opinion at all.
Roginald
10-21-2012, 04:47 PM
Haha good ol Unrest. Was going minutes between mobs earlier so decided to log for a bit, guess you did too. Seems to be a particularly bad zone for it... the experience modifier is a a blessing and somewhat of a curse.
I don't mind too much... a bit frustrating when they take 90+% of the zone but alas, what can you do.
BigSlip
10-21-2012, 04:57 PM
only assholes pl in populated areas. more than likely because they arent very good, and dont know where better spots are (usually not the places that are taken)
Tecmos Deception
10-21-2012, 05:29 PM
"everyone should be able to do it" imo. But close enough, so I voted for that one.
Trox20
10-21-2012, 05:37 PM
I believe its fine for those that want to, but I'll never do it since to me the games are about the journey not the destination.
Choosing the first one because it should be an option, but I don't think everyone "should" do it.
Tecmos Deception
10-21-2012, 05:48 PM
By that logic, Trox, you should probably find the slowest way to level possible.
PL is a journey just like any other path from 1-60. It just is a journey that some people prefer because they've already taken the scenic route at least once.
Splorf22
10-21-2012, 05:55 PM
only assholes pl in populated areas. more than likely because they arent very good, and dont know where better spots are (usually not the places that are taken)
Can't believe I'm quoting Slippery, but . . . what makes me rage is when PLers head to prime grouping zones like Crushbone, Unrest, or Mistmoore during prime time.
fishingme
10-21-2012, 06:11 PM
I believe everyone who complains about plers are for the most part jealous and overreacting. A good majority of the people who powerlevel in the dungeons such as unrest and MM are quite friendly about letting you have plenty of mobs and they'll even toss you buffs or help you out for a good amount of time. I do believe there are some a$$holes but what are you going to do? I put them on my ignore list and if they ever ask for something in the future when I'm their level they can't because they're on my ignore list.
fishingme
10-21-2012, 06:14 PM
only assholes pl in populated areas. more than likely because they arent very good, and dont know where better spots are (usually not the places that are taken)
I'm afraid that's not too true, unrest and MM are beyond imaginable if you've ever pled or been pled there.
Trox20
10-21-2012, 07:02 PM
By that logic, Trox, you should probably find the slowest way to level possible.
PL is a journey just like any other path from 1-60. It just is a journey that some people prefer because they've already taken the scenic route at least once.
I actually am probably one of the slowest levelers out there, and I agree that PLing is just another path which is why I agree that the option should be there; it's just not one I would choose.
BTW loved that game; it's one of the very few (less than 10) games in which I had made it to the end (a couple of times).
Vladigan
10-21-2012, 07:32 PM
Great Replies all. I always appreciate an intelligent debate. My question now keeps us on target but heads in a slightly different direction:
"At what point, if any, does power leveling get to a point where it takes away from other players enjoyment of the game?"
A big argument for no boxing was that it would somehow deter grouping and lead people to solo more and take away from legitimate groups. I am quite neutral here on all topics, but i just wonder where is the grey area between not allowing boxing, but turning a blind eye to certain PL'ers that seem to be causing the same detrimental effect?
What is your thoughts?
Swish
10-21-2012, 08:15 PM
"At what point, if any, does power leveling get to a point where it takes away from other players enjoyment of the game?"
When at peak time, some guild decides it wants to move in to a popular camp (such as the lake or GY at Mistmoore, or even the castle) and deprive a legit XP group of being able to level at the speed they're capable of. It's happened to me, it's happened to a lot of people I know... and Amelinda has previously said that it needs to stop. There's no grey area in this, if you want to PL during peak hours, take it to Droga/Nurga/somewhere quiet and leave the standard groups to enjoy the more common levelling zones... because I'll bet 100k plat that if you, as a power leveller were in their shoes, you'd be pissed off as well.
A big argument for no boxing was that it would somehow deter grouping and lead people to solo more and take away from legitimate groups. I am quite neutral here on all topics, but i just wonder where is the grey area between not allowing boxing, but turning a blind eye to certain PL'ers that seem to be causing the same detrimental effect?
You can box/merc on every other non-P99 server, if you want to box...show us a clean pair of heels and do it elsewhere. 2-boxing makes grouping for regular players more difficult as it usually involves a tank/healer combo that doesn't want extras. I'd hate to zone into Oasis/Unrest/etc and see 2-boxing everywhere and not be able to get a group. You're just encouraging more solo play on the server due to too much LFG time and there's plenty of necros floating around already.
Boxing hasn't been tested on this server, but it wouldn't be a change for the better. Classic EQ was all about grouping with others and learning a class together as a group, not isolating yourself because you can do things quicker.
Also you'd see an increase in people levelling accounts to sell off, so there's no benefit to new players on the server at all.
Vladigan
10-21-2012, 09:45 PM
You can box/merc on every other non-P99 server, if you want to box...show us a clean pair of heels and do it elsewhere. 2-boxing makes grouping for regular players more difficult as it usually involves a tank/healer combo that doesn't want extras. I'd hate to zone into Oasis/Unrest/etc and see 2-boxing everywhere and not be able to get a group. You're just encouraging more solo play on the server due to too much LFG time and there's plenty of necros floating around already.
Boxing hasn't been tested on this server, but it wouldn't be a change for the better. Classic EQ was all about grouping with others and learning a class together as a group, not isolating yourself because you can do things quicker.
Also you'd see an increase in people levelling accounts to sell off, so there's no benefit to new players on the server at all.
Wasnt meaning to turn this into a boxing thread.. but you make my point here... Imagine zoning into those same zones you mentioned and not be able to get a single kill because 1 (or supposedly 2) person/people is PLing?
I agree with your points on boxing, but my question is: "Isn't encouraging or allowing PLing causing the same negative effect?"
fishingme
10-21-2012, 10:16 PM
The ability to power level in this game is one of the major things that separates EQ from any other game. Mainly because no other game has the system where a lvl 50 can make a lowbie god to similar conned mobs (as the lowbie). The only reasons that really anyone can come up with is lack of mobs or lack of groups. However the server is a low populated server, a lot of people don't want to spend the time leveling up slow. The only problem with some plers which these are the ones why people get tainted views on Pling, are the ones that are douchebags that are inconsiderate of other people trying to level. Funny enough, the GMs don't ban these guys, so what's there to do?
Swish
10-21-2012, 10:16 PM
Not if they stay away from a populated MM/Unrest/etc. That's the point, keep the PL'ing in quieter zones - Kunark is a prime example of quiet dungeons among others. Places like Nurga and Droga are far too quiet for how good the XP is. Ever levelled in Runnyeye on P99? Nor have most people - give PL'ing a try in there.
I'm not against PL'ers, it's nice to have a break from the grind if you've got the people at the top end who have the time to spare... but just be sensible about it and let other groups enjoy the game too rather than crowding them out of an area. Mistmoore is always the one that got me, we'd wait around for spawns because they'd been cleared out by a PL group who finish them off in seconds.
fishingme
10-21-2012, 10:20 PM
Not if they stay away from a populated MM/Unrest/etc. That's the point, keep the PL'ing in quieter zones - Kunark is a prime example of quiet dungeons among others. Places like Nurga and Droga are far too quiet for how good the XP is. Ever levelled in Runnyeye on P99? Nor have most people - give PL'ing a try in there.
I'm not against PL'ers, it's nice to have a break from the grind if you've got the people at the top end who have the time to spare... but just be sensible about it and let other groups enjoy the game too rather than crowding them out of an area. Mistmoore is always the one that got me, we'd wait around for spawns because they'd been cleared out by a PL group who finish them off in seconds.
The problem with kunark Pling over old world Pling is that kunark mobs have more HP and hit a lot harder and the xp isn't better, it's actually worse.
Tecmos Deception
10-21-2012, 10:33 PM
You mean dalnir, a cramped maze of a dungeon with a teleporter exit, that is full of clerics and shadowknights and necromancers, isn't a better place to PL than unrest?! NO WAY!!!
fishingme
10-21-2012, 10:36 PM
You mean dalnir, a cramped maze of a dungeon with a teleporter exit, that is full of clerics and shadowknights and necromancers, isn't a better place to PL than unrest?! NO WAY!!!
cool down on the sarcasm.
Swish
10-21-2012, 10:40 PM
The problem with kunark Pling over old world Pling is that kunark mobs have more HP and hit a lot harder and the xp isn't better, it's actually worse.
Fair enough, there's still Splitpaw, Najena, Befallen, Cazic, Upper Guk, Runnyeye (as mentioned)... and for the adventurous, Permafrost. Most of them except for Perma are reasonably close to a druid ring, so entirely accessible :)
fishingme
10-21-2012, 10:45 PM
Fair enough, there's still Splitpaw, Najena, Befallen, Cazic, Upper Guk, Runnyeye (as mentioned)... and for the adventurous, Permafrost. Most of them except for Perma are reasonably close to a druid ring, so entirely accessible :)
Splitpaw, it's pretty damn amazing there. Najena, not the greatest the mobs are too split up, it's only good for a few levels, and mob level has a really weird variance to it, Befallen isn't terrible, but still far far far below unrest with all the lockdoors, a surprisingly small amount of mobs, Cazic- too many casters iirc, level change in mobs is too much. Upperguk, super low exp gain from there, no sow. Runnyeye, I never really did too much there but after all ways getting lost in there I called it quits.
See the problem with perma, it's too big, mobs are too far apart.
If there was one place in kunark (from what I know of) that I would powerlevel in I would do sarnak fortress, however the mobs there hit like a truck and the respawn time will get you unless you're on your guard.
Tecmos Deception
10-21-2012, 10:48 PM
It's annoying when a PL session impacts your normal xp group's grind, yes. But it's part of the game, just like a 60 soloing frenzy even though you've got a group of 35-40s would like to do it.
Bubbles
10-22-2012, 03:16 AM
Simply put: Unrest and Mistmoore are the desired zones because they range from level 1-30 and mobs dont heal, very,very few casters, and in the case of unrest, dont even run so thorns can completely kill off all the mobs.
That's why those are the primest zones for brainless powerlevelling, and that won't change. You can sub in Eastkarana or Najena or Lavastorm or whatever but you arent going to be able to grind PL to 30 in one location like you can in unrest/mistmoore.
Reiker000
10-22-2012, 03:24 AM
i <3 bubbles
Splorf22
10-22-2012, 03:33 AM
Simply put: Unrest and Mistmoore are the desired zones because they range from level 1-30 and mobs dont heal, very,very few casters, and in the case of unrest, dont even run so thorns can completely kill off all the mobs.
That's why those are the primest zones for brainless powerlevelling, and that won't change. You can sub in Eastkarana or Najena or Lavastorm or whatever but you arent going to be able to grind PL to 30 in one location like you can in unrest/mistmoore.
Mistmoore is loaded with casters so I'm not sure where you got that. But sure, Unrest and Mistmoore are loved by PLers for the same reason that groups love them: high zems and dense mobs. So what? Suck it up and get 10% less XP rather than ruining the day of the groups that are XPing there.
Also the whole 'kunark mobs hit harder' just isn't true on 1999, in my experience every mob <= 50 hits for f(level) which doesn't depend on zone. The most important thing is ZEM.
godbox
10-22-2012, 04:04 AM
unrest is really just too good to pass up for a PL i try to do it during low pop times if im gonna but you can take someone 1-20 in 2 hours easily just rounding up whole zone with a DS and sitting down with topor on.
and since there all undead they dont run (what makes guk dangerous)
and its good for a few reasons
a) gives people who have PL classes a way to make money as they enter into the territory where they can PL.
b) lets people get over some frustrating humps in different classes to get to the place there interested in playing. (i.e. where a necro can out dmg there pet or damage and haste caps at 20 for melee)
c) is something people like to do w/ friends / guildies thats casual and fun at 60
Bubbles
10-22-2012, 04:42 AM
i <3 bubbles
back at ya, bud :)
Mistmoore is loaded with casters so I'm not sure where you got that. But sure, Unrest and Mistmoore are loved by PLers for the same reason that groups love them: high zems and dense mobs. So what? Suck it up and get 10% less XP rather than ruining the day of the groups that are XPing there.
Also the whole 'kunark mobs hit harder' just isn't true on 1999, in my experience every mob <= 50 hits for f(level) which doesn't depend on zone. The most important thing is ZEM.
Let me rephrase : none of common mobs in mistmoore *heal*. Just the odd warder in the GY and like maybe the emotologist.
I am 100% on board with the concept that if anyone with a pulse in the actual levelling range of the area is trying to experience EQ like god intended, then yeah, don't be a weiner and move your camp elsewhere. Or at the least give them a full camp's worth of mobs.. and dont be stingy with the names (like a PLer is going to need a friggin savant cap or crested helm or whatever..)
All i was really answering was the original question of 'why are they in unrest and mistmoore and not spread out" which is: very few running mobs, very few casters (esp healers) and a large level range of mobs to continuously xp upon. Which, oddly enough, is exactly why NON PLers would prefer those zones too :)
Picked
10-22-2012, 11:12 AM
I don't have a problem with powerleveling. Never did on live either. I know some people like to play this game a certain way, and people are fine with that, so why is it not okay for someone else to play the game the way they want too?
If this is what they want and that's how they want to go about it then by all means let them. I didn't vote because your options are very one sided. I don't think "everyone should do it" like you say but I am just fine if anyone does it.
I do hope that they realize while they are powerleveling that there is certain zones that are packed. I don't think a person powerleveling should use MM for it. As long as they aren't gobbling up all the mobs people are trying to get. There are tons of places to p-level someone, use one that isn't a high trafficked area for those leveling the old fashioned way.
Vladigan
10-22-2012, 11:27 AM
I don't have a problem with powerleveling. Never did on live either. I know some people like to play this game a certain way, and people are fine with that, so why is it not okay for someone else to play the game the way they want too?
If this is what they want and that's how they want to go about it then by all means let them. I didn't vote because your options are very one sided. I don't think "everyone should do it" like you say but I am just fine if anyone does it.
I do hope that they realize while they are powerleveling that there is certain zones that are packed. I don't think a person powerleveling should use MM for it. As long as they aren't gobbling up all the mobs people are trying to get. There are tons of places to p-level someone, use one that isn't a high trafficked area for those leveling the old fashioned way.
Thanks for getting in the conversation :) Just want to point out that you seem to be somewhat conflicted on what you are trying to say... Allow me to point out:
You start out by saying you are OK with PLing, then justify your position by stating that they should "be able to play the game they way they want" .. BUT...
Then, you state that PLers should realize that (the way they want to play) in crowded zones could "gobble up all the mobs". So in turn means they are now preventing someone else from playing the game, the way they want...
So Picked, it would seem your opinion should be, "I think PLing is OK, but should be restricted in a way" Is that correct? (I only seek clarity to understand your argument)
Thanks! (Btw if that is your position, there is a spot to vote that opinion)
Vladigan
10-22-2012, 11:45 AM
Two LOLs -
1. Trying to 'restrict' powerleveling as if it isn't part of the whole social atmosphere that classic EQ was heavy on promoting
2. Having an option to vote about not having an opinion
1.) Classic EQ was also heavy on promotion two/multi-boxing as well, but has been denied here.
2.) FINALLY!! Someone figured out the joke! I have been LMAO at every person who voted "no opinion", since obviously they HAVE an opinion on the matter LOL :)
godbox
10-22-2012, 11:53 AM
two boxing is so drastically different from PLing...
I dont know anyone personally who has PL'd 1-60 on any toon even people with heavy PL 1-40 get in the mix on a level here and there. and once there of appropriate level a PL turns into a duo with drops going to 2 different people at least.
maybe its troll thread but I think seeing the devs take into consideration a change in varience has pushed other people to start fishing for other areas to try and whip up public support for another change. I never lvld high enough for AA's on live so I have no idea what they entail but dont try and draw a line PL to 2boxing
I honestly don't know why more people don't PL in Runneye. That place is insane for it, and there's never a soul there to complain.
theaetatus
10-22-2012, 12:08 PM
2.) FINALLY!! Someone figured out the joke! I have been LMAO at every person who voted "no opinion", since obviously they HAVE an opinion on the matter LOL :)
Well the joke is on you I'm afraid, it is possible to vote on the poll without having an opinion on PLing without any hint of a paradox.
I didn't bother voting myself... PLing is the same as any similar activity, it's fine if you don't do it irresponsibly. PLing people in a dead zone is fine, PLing people in MM/Unrest when groups are trying to xp on the same mobs is not. People come to these zones to group and generally don't have the same options available to them nor the travelling options that PLers do.
fishingme
10-22-2012, 12:28 PM
two boxing is so drastically different from PLing...
I dont know anyone personally who has PL'd 1-60 on any toon even people with heavy PL 1-40 get in the mix on a level here and there. and once there of appropriate level a PL turns into a duo with drops going to 2 different people at least.
maybe its troll thread but I think seeing the devs take into consideration a change in varience has pushed other people to start fishing for other areas to try and whip up public support for another change. I never lvld high enough for AA's on live so I have no idea what they entail but dont try and draw a line PL to 2boxing
Believe me when I say that it becomes terrible 51+, very very little progress on hours and hours. For the most part it's easier to group. Also, you don't group with the other person.
Tecmos Deception
10-22-2012, 12:54 PM
Believe me when I say that it becomes terrible 51+, very very little progress on hours and hours.
Depends on the combo. If you're talking about the favorite PL of most people from 1-30, a druid, then yeah, 51+ is probably going to be abysmal.
But if you're talking about a 60 sham PLing a twinked monk, or a 60 necro PLing a twinked rogue, or a cleric BP healing a warrior, etc., then the PL is going to be at least a few times as fast as a group would be... especially if you're talking about the makeshift groups that get thrown together at odd hours.
fishingme
10-22-2012, 01:31 PM
Depends on the combo. If you're talking about the favorite PL of most people from 1-30, a druid, then yeah, 51+ is probably going to be abysmal.
But if you're talking about a 60 sham PLing a twinked monk, or a 60 necro PLing a twinked rogue, or a cleric BP healing a warrior, etc., then the PL is going to be at least a few times as fast as a group would be... especially if you're talking about the makeshift groups that get thrown together at odd hours.
I haven't ever had a 60 shaman pl, but I've grouped with one on my monk I'd definitely say that it's pretty quick, but it's no where near as fun as chain pulling mobs in a group at 51+. I guess I was fortunate enough to find pretty solid groups to where 51+ went quicker in a group than duoing or getting pled by a shaman. There's just something about pulling all of top level of KC and hitting a decent portion of basement mobs at 2 am in a good group. I suppose at least for me there was a point where it became too much for me to handle.
mgellan
10-22-2012, 02:12 PM
PLing is fine just don't be a douche and rape zones where ppl are levelling. Personally I've done the 1-50 journey multiple times, I'd rather skip that and spend my online time doing 51-60 stuff :)
Regards,
Mg
HeallunRumblebelly
10-22-2012, 02:18 PM
The problem with kunark Pling over old world Pling is that kunark mobs have more HP and hit a lot harder and the xp isn't better, it's actually worse.
Bigger issue for me (as a cleric) is that manastone doesn't work in kunark. I'd gladly PL all goddamn day 30-50 in COM, but alas, only the donals works there, no stone. Stone helps for midfight celestials, roots, etc. Whereas if i take it to efreeti with a monk assist or something I'm guaranteed 0 downtime, and can pull :3
HeallunRumblebelly
10-22-2012, 02:24 PM
Fair enough, there's still Splitpaw, Najena, Befallen, Cazic, Upper Guk, Runnyeye (as mentioned)... and for the adventurous, Permafrost. Most of them except for Perma are reasonably close to a druid ring, so entirely accessible :)
splitpaw is a clusterfuck, shit aggroes through the wall, pathing is bad, and a fair amount of healers.
najena is honestly too low for the majority of PLers. With a 60 assist PL you can skip to a 30ish zone almost immediately and get max xp for pl'ee if you're using any kind of porcupining or porc / feigning.
CT has like 3000 clerics. There's a reason no one fucking goes there.
Uguk isn't bad, ZEM is great but if you want to maintain max xp per kill you'll transition to a higher zone. Also, lolshamanmobs.
RE is a lowbie zone, similar problems to splitpaw with pathing / healers.
Permafrost also has far, far too many clerics and the zone doesn't lend itself well to being traveled to for non firepot bound characters.
Unfortunately the things that make good PL zones also make good leveling zones. Mobs are piss easy, grouped densely in similar ranges with no healers, and high ZEMs.
kurns, befallen, lguk, com, solb (certain areas, avoiding the shm, though healers are less of an issue with a feign assist pL'er, mind, i speak mostly from a ds pl strat) are some of my personal favorites. I try to stick to the upper zones in old world which further cuts down places I can PL, depending on who I have and what i'm PLing. If it's a 50s PL and I have a monk assist and efreeti is camped, often I can PL in HS West, but yeah, takes a bit more work than efreeti.
fishingme
10-22-2012, 02:35 PM
Bigger issue for me (as a cleric) is that manastone doesn't work in kunark. I'd gladly PL all goddamn day 30-50 in COM, but alas, only the donals works there, no stone. Stone helps for midfight celestials, roots, etc. Whereas if i take it to efreeti with a monk assist or something I'm guaranteed 0 downtime, and can pull :3
Definitely true didn't even think of gear restrictions such as manastone. But then again not everyone has one or is capable of having one yet so I suppose i didn't include it for that reason. CoM in my opinion is the one exception to the kunark hp/mob hitting like a truck. for powerlevelers and whomever they're powerleveling, it's definitely a fantastic spot at 40 until the beginning mobs hit lightblue. Funny enough the golems all ways gave sweet xp compared to the undead mobs there (I'm referencing the first 3 sections before arena) However when golems become lightblue I believe stables still had the majority of dark blues.
fishingme
10-22-2012, 02:38 PM
splitpaw is a clusterfuck, shit aggroes through the wall, pathing is bad, and a fair amount of healers.
najena is honestly too low for the majority of PLers. With a 60 assist PL you can skip to a 30ish zone almost immediately and get max xp for pl'ee if you're using any kind of porcupining or porc / feigning.
CT has like 3000 clerics. There's a reason no one fucking goes there.
Uguk isn't bad, ZEM is great but if you want to maintain max xp per kill you'll transition to a higher zone. Also, lolshamanmobs.
RE is a lowbie zone, similar problems to splitpaw with pathing / healers.
Permafrost also has far, far too many clerics and the zone doesn't lend itself well to being traveled to for non firepot bound characters.
Unfortunately the things that make good PL zones also make good leveling zones. Mobs are piss easy, grouped densely in similar ranges with no healers, and high ZEMs.
kurns, befallen, lguk, com, solb (certain areas, avoiding the shm, though healers are less of an issue with a feign assist pL'er, mind, i speak mostly from a ds pl strat) are some of my personal favorites. I try to stick to the upper zones in old world which further cuts down places I can PL, depending on who I have and what i'm PLing. If it's a 50s PL and I have a monk assist and efreeti is camped, often I can PL in HS West, but yeah, takes a bit more work than efreeti.
With splitpaw I don't suggest ever going past the double doors for pling (depending on the class that is pling you of course) I had all ways kept it 23-28(or 29 can't remember) before heading some place else. But holy smokes split paw is grand xp, 23-28 in a matter of 2-3hours.
Picked
10-22-2012, 03:24 PM
Thanks for getting in the conversation :) Just want to point out that you seem to be somewhat conflicted on what you are trying to say... Allow me to point out:
You start out by saying you are OK with PLing, then justify your position by stating that they should "be able to play the game they way they want" .. BUT...
Then, you state that PLers should realize that (the way they want to play) in crowded zones could "gobble up all the mobs". So in turn means they are now preventing someone else from playing the game, the way they want...
So Picked, it would seem your opinion should be, "I think PLing is OK, but should be restricted in a way" Is that correct? (I only seek clarity to understand your argument)
Thanks! (Btw if that is your position, there is a spot to vote that opinion)
I was just pointing out that the concept of power leveling doesn't bother me. But training people in MM to get more mobs does. I have exp'd 2 different characters to 50+ so far and inevitably I run into PL'ers fairly often. And it always turns ugly. A group is trying to kill some mobs and exp at a camp and the power leveling crew comes in, pulls everything, and if that isn't enough sometimes train to get more mobs.
I guess in a nutshell I am fine with power leveling. As long as they remain true to the rules of the server like training, and exploiting.
Llodd
10-22-2012, 04:54 PM
Don't mind so long as they don't interfere with non-plers.
Was at the giant fort in WW a few days ago when some monk tells me 'you're gonna have a hard time here bro'
I ask why and he says cuz he's taking all mobs for PL. Clearly he didn't care for anyone else but luckily I cared neither as I was chillin taking a few mobs now and then whilst readin and doing other RL shit.
Mind you even then there are sometimes advantages as he didn't want any of the loot so let me help myself.
fishingme
10-22-2012, 06:15 PM
Don't mind so long as they don't interfere with non-plers.
Was at the giant fort in WW a few days ago when some monk tells me 'you're gonna have a hard time here bro'
I ask why and he says cuz he's taking all mobs for PL. Clearly he didn't care for anyone else but luckily I cared neither as I was chillin taking a few mobs now and then whilst readin and doing other RL shit.
Mind you even then there are sometimes advantages as he didn't want any of the loot so let me help myself.
I've trained people to their death when they've said that to me when i was there before them
I got my 2 acc 2005 and i was sure not the only one boxing on AB.
About to take all mobs in a camp, its pure rudness imo, if i was exping or farming and there inc ppl who could get exp from the camp , i let them have it and go somewhere els, as a boxer ya have more then 1 option to get ya exp and gear, simple is that, play nice.
Telin
10-24-2012, 08:24 AM
I have both enjoyed PLing others as well as getting PLed. Druids are particularly good at it. I would only have one rule--to not interfere with the experience of those at the proper level for the zone. Stealing mobs from them is just insanely wrong and should rightfully ruin their reputation.
I feel power leveling is detrimental to the true experience intended by the design of the game especially for first time players and first characters.
That said, I agree that people leveling alts (and heavy xp penalized hybrids) can get a bit tedious so while I don't advocate for power leveling I certainly dissuade it as a primary means of leveling.
I would agree that power leveling is indeed detrimental to the social health of the server if those doing so aren't respecting other players and gobbling up all the mobs in the vicinity, or worse perpetually causing trains in lower leveled zones from runaway mobs that aren't being taken care of.
I think with a degree of responsibility power leveling can be a useful exchange to bump up that xp rate and allows friends that are severely out of level to play together in a productive manner, allowing higher level players more choices at those levels. Though ultimately I don't think that power leveling was ever intended in the design of the game nor do I think it really adds much enjoyment to the play. If anything it trivializes the combat making the play even more mechanical and dull for the people benefiting, often at the cost of others enjoyment of the game.
Spitty
10-24-2012, 11:27 AM
Power leveling is an appropriate side effect of a game intended to promote social interaction.
If I'm level 50 and my friend creates a character, why the hell wouldn't I want to help get them up to speed and to a point where we can have adventure time together? Furthermore, why would a social game even think about restricting that in the slightest?
This chatter about 'rules' and 'regulations' in regards to powerleveling is completely absurd.
Also absurd - a poll option for not having an opinion. I guess if you have to put your apathy on display somewhere...might as well be a meaningless poll, right?
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