Proposed Resist System Changes - Lucy

[tokso]

I don't need you to explain EQ pvp to me, I've played it. you're just talking about some video whereas I am giving actual reasons EQ takes minimal skill. I'm just waiting for someone to chime in with "LOL YOU THINK WOW TAKES SKILL?" because apparently people think the only 2 games in existence are the game they play and WoW.

[SamwiseBanned]

It was exactly what I said it was, and you are 100% wrong. I played on VZTZ more than anyone whose names don't rhyme with Suckle or Mexx.

The classic EQ resist system allowed you to become effectively immune to CC, stuns, magic-based nukes, etc. The gap between a melee with 50 MR and a melee with 110 MR was massive, and the fact that the curve allowed you to hit over 95% resistance to anything made it imbalanced to the point where several classes were rendered either useless or underpowered against anyone with moderate gear (Enchanters, Clerics, Rangers).

That same gap was less glaring on VZTZ, because the resist curve was smarter. The most you could flat-out resist a spell was in the 80's (rather than near-100%). Partial resists were frequent on CC spells. This prevented situations like someone landing an Ensnare that lasts for 15 minutes. In classic it was near impossible to land anyway, but when you did land it, it was stupidly overpowered. Effectively capping resists around 85-90% (instead of 95-99%) also meant that there's not quite as much of a gear advantage to be had.

Remember that guy on TZ (you don't, but let's pretend you do) during Velious who was fucking horrible at the game, but unkillable because he was in the top raid guild and had all of those sparkly Uber Raid Items he got from playing 80 hours a week?

Yeah - we don't want that this time around. Let's not do that.

[SamwiseBanned]

Verant/Sony never got resists right and they had years and companies behind them. Hell after verant was gone all the new races defaulted to human team and were never changed, cats, frogs, whatever, all human.

Frogs are short, there was a short team, short team could have used shaman: boom decision made in 5 seconds. Instead they stayed human, that's how much attention Sony gave pvp team servers.

If you're QQing about this isn't classic you didn't play. Well functioning resist code was never classic. At a certain level of MR you resisted everything, then it would get fixed and you would resist nothing, and repeat.

[gloinz]

I don't need you to explain EQ pvp to me, I've played it. you're just talking about some video whereas I am giving actual reasons EQ takes minimal skill. I'm just waiting for someone to chime in with "LOL YOU THINK WOW TAKES SKILL?" because apparently people think the only 2 games in existence are the game they play and WoW.

hes giving u an example of a shaman in shit gear beating a shaman in much better gear by having more skill and playing better

furthermore u must be pretty dumb not being able to figure that out

[SamwiseBanned]

On live, you never had a reason to have 120mr in pvp. You would want to sacrifice those jacinth rings for diamond etc. Even with tash, the chance of being rooted/snared/stunned was basically nonexistant. 85% resist to root at 120 would still be a joke. On live, about 70mr would buy you 85%.

I thought you said 50mr was root/snare immunity but here Destin says 70mr = 85%. Looks like your classic resist numbers change from day to day.

[tokso]

hes giving u an example of a shaman in shit gear beating a shaman in much better gear by having more skill and playing better

furthermore u must be pretty dumb not being able to figure that out

or some guy that has the minimal knowledge you need to have for eq pvp vs someone that has probably never pvped in eq before. that doesn't make it rocket science.

[SamwiseBanned]

interesting read


Kunark is not just "more end game content." I'm sure by taking things out of context to make a valid fictitious point, you might well win that fictitious argument.

If I was arguing in favor of simply "more end game content", I'd contend even that would help over the present stagnation. Theres 4 end game targets for 2 and a half end game guilds. All people do these days on the forums is paint a picture of end game being completely "zerged" (dominated) and unobtainable for everyone else whose not Nihilum (portrayed through numerous forms of whining and waling and flaming). If hate and sky were to open, it would offer more targets and opportunities for everyone.

[gloinz]

or some guy that has the minimal knowledge you need to have for eq pvp vs someone that has probably never pvped in eq before. that doesn't make it rocket science.

so whats ur point?

someone who has never played chess before has no skill in chess
by practicing and playing chess you acquire skill

someone who has never played eq pvp before has no skill in eq pvp
by practicing and playing eq pvp you acquire skill
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[tokso]

so whats ur point?

someone who has never played chess before has no skill in chess
by practicing and playing chess you acquire skill

someone who has never played eq pvp before has no skill in eq pvp
by practicing and playing eq pvp you acquire skill
http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/241/cea/979/resized/futurama-fry-meme-generator-not-sure-if-troll-or-fucking-retarded-9daa00.jpg

chess takes years and years to master, if you ever even master it at all. eq pvp takes maybe a couple days at most? awful comparison.

[Dullah]

I thought you said 50mr was root/snare immunity but here Destin says 70mr = 85%. Looks like your classic resist numbers change from day to day.

Once again, you lie. Never said 50mr was snare immunity. 85% at 70mr would still be less than half of what it requires to obtain the same here... samdumb down again. For all your researching old posts, you'd think you could at least find this alleged quote.

Of course, you can't.

If you can't ever be anything in game, I guess troll the forums. Seems to be the standard MO of a lot of people in this community.

[SamwiseBanned]

poor Destin getting wrecked when it comes to balance.

[Nirgon]

hes giving u an example of a shaman in shit gear beating a shaman in much better gear by having more skill and playing better

furthermore u must be pretty dumb not being able to figure that out

That's it I'm gonna drink the whole bottle, completely doneskies.

Sorry if I came off as short or rude Toks. The old man is going to need a few drinks after today's forumquest.

[Nirgon]

chess takes years and years to master, if you ever even master it at all. eq pvp takes maybe a couple days at most? awful comparison.

PvP for a couple days then try to take on a vet.

/bye

[SamwiseBanned]

28 pages and all the RZ B team has come up with is "not classic." Balance is king. Somebody get me a pair of body bags so i can dispose of this mess.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4697/diamondcutter.jpg

[tokso]

PvP for a couple days then try to take on a vet.

/bye

Not that hard. Have you played any games that actually take a lot of skill? just curious

[jdklaw]

your logic is flawed

[SamwiseBanned]

PvP for a couple days then try to take on a vet.

/bye

http://gifs.gifbin.com/032012/1333993067_fighter_knocks_himself_out.gif

[SamwiseBanned]

In summary, former Rallos Zek B Team says this

http://i.imgur.com/WeXPc.gif

meanwhile the rest of us wear MR gear.

[Dullah]

This just in, level 52 wizard roots level 60 enchanter with 166mr on second try.

Working as intended, right? I'm right, right? Amirite?

[SamwiseBanned]

This just in, level 52 wizard roots level 60 enchanter with 166mr on second try.

Working as intended, right? I'm right, right? Amirite?

maybe the 2nd cast always lands... lol

[Nirgon]

We've already melted the face of the once great Samwise Dullah, no need to target him personally. He can continue insisting that tears exist where there are only smiles and agreement among classic players exists. Even current EQ Emu-lifers (no offense exactly but its not exactly a term of endearment) like Nizzar are starting to see the merits of a classic system, for starting and veteran players alike here.

BTW Goldberg was way more awesome than DDP ever was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8omA85nTw2E

^ Baltimore arena was off the chains.

[SamwiseBanned]

Goldberg was overrated, as was the average skill among RZ vets. nothing personal, just an observation.

edit: sweet video tho

[Nirgon]

Post evidence of Goldberg being overrated.

Speared Nash right out of his boots.

[SamwiseBanned]

he had two moves. spear + jackhammer

[Nirgon]

Lure of ice and dispel

[SamwiseBanned]

wrestling is shit and havent watched it in years but this is my fav ending ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBOqDQFi5bI

[SamwiseBanned]

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[SamwiseBanned]

here we see former RZ veteran entering red99 thinkin hes gonna dance all over everyone

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ouch

[Nirgon]

Sam I posted like 3 full posts in a row at times of kill shots. I don't think I've seen anyone else do that.

I danced quite a bit.

[SamwiseBanned]

keep dancing like jeff hardy brew

http://theorange.co/storage/jeff-hardy-fireworks-accident.gif?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1341497380 000

[SamwiseBanned]

meanwhile ill keep dancing all over this forum like a boss

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/421004_o.gif

[Nirgon]

I'm more of a Goldberg

[SamwiseBanned]

I'm more of a Piper

[lohengrin]

To the top... even was an orginal founder of Ascending Dawn....


Kringe sup

Founder? Hmm, too long ago to remember, I thought you jumped in a little bit after the fact. Early on yes, but I don't recall you as one who helped create the guild out of sabbat's ashes like some of us.

Not that I won't give you credit for contributing to our success early on, but it was your tanking ability on raids that was your main contribution in AD, not due to any great PvP skills at that time. Your warrior was really shit for pvp, sry.

True, Riga was scary to fight back in the day...ironically enough tho, thats b/c people had shit resists early on so you could fuck them up w/ enchanter tricks. Once people had gear to max out their MR enchanters became kind of sad in pvp.

And dude, that was SOOOO long ago, omg. long enough I'm fuzzy on some of the memories myself. Fun as it was, stop reliving the glory days. Time to move on???

[jdklaw]

http://image.retrojunk.com/8f4_0816d3a34b.jpg

[SamwiseBanned]

this thread got really gay really fast

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090706184117/uncyclopedia/images/b/b6/DX_gay!.jpg

[Nirgon]

Kringe sup

Founder? Hmm, too long ago to remember, I thought you jumped in a little bit after the fact. Early on yes, but I don't recall you as one who helped create the guild out of sabbat's ashes like some of us.

Not that I won't give you credit for contributing to our success early on, but it was your tanking ability on raids that was your main contribution in AD, not due to any great PvP skills at that time. Your warrior was really shit for pvp, sry.

True, Riga was scary to fight back in the day...ironically enough tho, thats b/c people had shit resists early on so you could fuck them up w/ enchanter tricks. Once people had gear to max out their MR enchanters became kind of sad in pvp.

And dude, that was SOOOO long ago, omg. long enough I'm fuzzy on some of the memories myself. Fun as it was, stop reliving the glory days. Time to move on???

Prove its you bruh!

Looooong time no see if so. Don't let the haters get you down. Be sure to smash some of these classic resist haters on the mouth during your stay.

Kringe's warrior was 55 at the first sky raid I saw him @ and he leveled that character in no time / out of no where. Considering Kaukaz, Gestahl and Tatami came our way, you should be glad you got such a dedicated warrior.

Obligatory his piece of ass from EQ >>>>> yours at the time.

[CrystalBlue]

Kringe's warrior was 55 at the first sky raid I saw him @ and he leveled that character in no time / out of no where.


proably exploited, like he did on red99 in paineel w/ his necro (and quit within days of hitting 50, im seeing a pattern btw with fast/ez xp, but thats another thread)

[lohengrin]

Prove its you bruh!

Looooong time no see if so. Don't let the haters get you down. Be sure to smash some of these classic resist haters on the mouth during your stay.

Kringe's warrior was 55 at the first sky raid I saw him @ and he leveled that character in no time / out of no where. Considering Kaukaz, Gestahl and Tatami came our way, you should be glad you got such a dedicated warrior.

Obligatory his piece of ass from EQ >>>>> yours at the time.

hi

Prove it? uhh, its not like we were BFFs, sharing intimate details of our personal lives while camping Stormfeather.

Lessee, we were briefly guilded in IB together before sabbat crumbled to pieces right? I do remember you in PB dying, lots!, or gating away... To your credit, you were far more entertaining and amusing than most of the PB gan la~ zerg squad from tw. Didn't you also ask to join AD at some point down the road? MiM cannot have been your first choice!

Continue arguing amongst yourselves over resists ... not here for anything other than entertainment. I can't even begin to imagine what the draw is for you guys to try to play now.

And yea, h8ers can hate, never bothered me when I played, not about to now. Kinda sad for them, really...must have made quite the impression for the h8 to last 10+ years!

[Nirgon]

After PB folded I had Lukye get me into MiM. Never asked to join AD because that would have been impossible given my prior *nasty* history.

Sabbat crumbling was and wasn't a shame at the same time. It provided the most fun and competitive EQ imaginable. Shame Rienne got caught using MQ and so many PBs in Kunark did shit like duping to get themselves banned.

I learned from you that guards would assist charmed bats in gfay. A mechanic none of these gimpies would know about or believe existed.


I don't play here anymore and for reasons of bad resists and lack of item loot.

As far as dying in the big fights wizards did get targeted but I killed Reef twice and others 1v1. I saw Koss die and lose a fungi, he was no slouch. Then again I remember Melvyn getting ganked by me and my gang and losing many things like singing steel legs and a cocw.
Bard epics should specifically say do not put in ovens :)


How'd you end up coming over this way anyhow? I see Awfal and Andysolo over at FoH.

[SamwiseBanned]

After PB folded I had Lukye get me into MiM. Never asked to join AD because that would have been impossible given my prior *nasty* history.

Sabbat crumbling was and wasn't a shame at the same time. It provided the most fun and competitive EQ imaginable. Shame Rienne got caught using MQ and so many PBs in Kunark did shit like duping to get themselves banned.

I learned from you that guards would assist charmed bats in gfay. A mechanic none of these gimpies would know about or believe existed.


I don't play here anymore and for reasons of bad resists and lack of item loot.

As far as dying in the big fights wizards did get targeted but I killed Reef twice and others 1v1. I saw Koss die and lose a fungi, he was no slouch. Then again I remember Melvyn getting ganked by me and my gang and losing many things like singing steel legs and a cocw.
Bard epics should specifically say do not put in ovens :)


How'd you end up coming over this way anyhow? I see Awfal and Andysolo over at FoH.

would charming the bats in gfay also agro from PoD? because i remember getting raped by PoD and no it wasnt by fansy nor did i see a bard in gfay

[Nirgon]

Maybe Lohengrin will tell you, he knew a lot. Show him a little more respect than you guys have shown me though. Careful he may know things you don't, try not to rage.

[Cwall 8.0]

try not to rage.

IMPOSSIBRU

[SamwiseBanned]

I am still dancing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yowsa7d_MLY

[Kringe]

Kringe sup

Founder? Hmm, too long ago to remember, I thought you jumped in a little bit after the fact. Early on yes, but I don't recall you as one who helped create the guild out of sabbat's ashes like some of us.

Not that I won't give you credit for contributing to our success early on, but it was your tanking ability on raids that was your main contribution in AD, not due to any great PvP skills at that time. Your warrior was really shit for pvp, sry.

True, Riga was scary to fight back in the day...ironically enough tho, thats b/c people had shit resists early on so you could fuck them up w/ enchanter tricks. Once people had gear to max out their MR enchanters became kind of sad in pvp.

And dude, that was SOOOO long ago, omg. long enough I'm fuzzy on some of the memories myself. Fun as it was, stop reliving the glory days. Time to move on???

It was about 15 of us who formed AD the House of Xezzt doods, left over sabbat, etc... It was your crew (Theis, Ruhi, Drogga???) who already had warriors that ended up failing and or falling off..

My warrior was hardly shit... Luckily enough your memory is so jaded, Chris (awful) and a few others could of chimed in to remind you who was pvping nightly after we bluebied it up... (Not you) nor your wife, but about 6-7 of us (Steph, and a few others) out there putting pressure on people nonstop afterwards...

I'd say survining 100s of manaburns then shitting on people after they were like wtf I didnt 1 shot this dood was enough for pvp glory for me..


Time to move on??? Thats the pot calling the kettle black.. I mean you are here posting 13 years later on an EMULATOR in which I am simply stating half these kids didnt play classic and have no clue what the resist rate was during that era..

The 100 verse 100 at the Fear portal is what turned the tides for us during that era..

Anywho, glad you made an account to post here (shit are you even playing on a pvp box, or are you just "Reliving the glory days" per se...

[SamwiseBanned]

Kringe mad because his hacks didnt work here. go back to rz nub

[hijinks]

Kringe sup

Founder? Hmm, too long ago to remember, I thought you jumped in a little bit after the fact. Early on yes, but I don't recall you as one who helped create the guild out of sabbat's ashes like some of us.

Not that I won't give you credit for contributing to our success early on, but it was your tanking ability on raids that was your main contribution in AD, not due to any great PvP skills at that time. Your warrior was really shit for pvp, sry.

True, Riga was scary to fight back in the day...ironically enough tho, thats b/c people had shit resists early on so you could fuck them up w/ enchanter tricks. Once people had gear to max out their MR enchanters became kind of sad in pvp.

And dude, that was SOOOO long ago, omg. long enough I'm fuzzy on some of the memories myself. Fun as it was, stop reliving the glory days. Time to move on???


wow lohengrin, long time pal.. sup!

[SamwiseBanned]

RZ bluebies unite!!

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1117972/captain-planet.jpg

[SamwiseBanned]

samwise representing halflings since 2000! this pic was taken the last time i logged on to live. not even sure what I was doing but for some reason its like the only pic i saved :( 2009 or 2010. also King of good names and master of 1000 alts.

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[Nirgon]

Nice classic graphics.

I heard EZ server is fun too and more in that era.

[SamwiseBanned]

Nice classic graphics.

I heard EZ server is fun too and more in that era.

Forgot who said but someone on zek told me to tell you to log your bitch ass on zek.

[Nirgon]

Lol I still have my char in the state I left him, and I'm sure on Zek.

I wandered into the bazaar and saw some people with "of Vallon Zek" or "of Tallon Zek" titles.

I went to south ro and saw the disgusting new orc models and to velks and saw the even worse models. It was like the whole world got into one great big WoW fail.

It was like being Red getting out of prison in Shawshank.

[SamwiseBanned]

Just don't goto Freeport, that place is fucking huge. Not to sound gay but Misty Thicket looks fucking nice now. The guy that told me to tell you to log on was in Pdm. I was talking smack to one of the guys I remembered from way back when some other Pdm chimed in. Apart from the game being easier, I am digging some of the revamps. Lavastorm looks more like hell and lave looks badass.

[Nirgon]

http://03.images.fireden.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/no-sir-I-dont-like-it.gif

[SamwiseBanned]

Meh too casual for red99 I guess. I'm going to kick back and check out live for a few. I'll probly solo progress through content if I can. I plan on porting up to hate tonite and probly go after people soloing in pod/pov.

[Dullah]

Live is horrible. Once verant left the picture and sony took over, it was all down hill. Thats why we love project1999.

[SamwiseBanned]

Sony had its strings attached to Verant from the start. Qeynos backwards my friend. I just don't see much more epic battles over Kunark and school is pretty time consuming. On live I can enjoy the game casually and pvp as much as I pvp here. Much love for red99 though.

Edit: I'd rather just help people at this point. My casual ass is benched for now. I do offer my time to help guide on red but due to my past experiences with amelinda , it's probably not going to happen. Well see what the future holds, I may just guide on live again.

[Samrothstein]

Live servers, that's a good one

[SamwiseBanned]

Live servers, that's a good one

one too many sams up in here, I thought your reply was mine when checking board index :( on my 2nd planar protector forum account, does that make me a sad person?

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/mistythicket-druidring.jpg

the shire so perty now, same layout but different textures, added grass, stones look more druidish.

[Dullah]

There was obviously a huge difference between EQ before velious, and after. Its not even close to the same. Different devs = different feel, different look. Everything was different and it felt cheesy as fuck. I won't say there werent a few neat features over the years, but the game itself was trash. Also, luclin models make me want to vomit.

[RoguePhantom]

There was obviously a huge difference between EQ before velious, and after. Its not even close to the same. Different devs = different feel, different look. Everything was different and it felt cheesy as fuck. I won't say there werent a few neat features over the years, but the game itself was trash. Also, luclin models make me want to vomit.

Ronald Reagan was a fucking awesome president too bro!

The 1972 Dolphins would wreck Tom Brady!

SCREW THIS EVOLUTION STUFF, I <3 LIFE WHEN I WAS 12.

[SamwiseBanned]

There was obviously a huge difference between EQ before velious, and after. Its not even close to the same. Different devs = different feel, different look. Everything was different and it felt cheesy as fuck. I won't say there werent a few neat features over the years, but the game itself was trash. Also, luclin models make me want to vomit.

I agree, I did not like the Luclin models of the actual races. I did enjoy the new armor models/textures though. I Wish you could have old models characters with Luclin model armor. I hated how bland eq armor was and how, for the most part, all plate, leather, cloth, chain, ect armor looked the same except maybe a different color. As far as the pic above, I think the added grass looks nice and the druid stones look better.

[gloinz]

I agree, I did not like the Luclin models of the actual races. I did enjoy the new armor models/textures though. I Wish you could have old models characters with Luclin model armor. I hated how bland eq armor was and how, for the most part, all plate, leather, cloth, chain, ect armor looked the same except maybe a different color. As far as the pic above, I think the added grass looks nice and the druid stones look better.

sux that the druid stones are meaningless with magic books everywhere tho

[SamwiseBanned]

sux that the druid stones are meaningless with magic books everywhere tho

Ye I've been running around on my druid exclusively in classic/kunark. Porting around like a boss. I did have to visit pok to get some new heal ang a frog merc. I've never seen the revamps so it's kinda like a new game

[jdklaw]

I went to guk to do work w my lvl 70 monk and got 1 shotted by lvl 95 frog at the dead side entrance

[SamwiseBanned]

Lol. I'm going to log on tonight and seek the 95 frog

[SamwiseBanned]

someone come help me with naggy lol.

[Kevynne]

that would mean reinstalling the game i uninstaleld :p

[SamwiseBanned]

found some guy to come help. was fun.

http://i.imgur.com/BjnE4.jpg

also here is an example of white text, i kinda like it.

http://i.imgur.com/WLOD9.jpg

[jdklaw]

what server newb

[jdklaw]

I lied my monks not in his 70s

but i am keepin it old school

http://i.imgur.com/hSfcA.jpg

[SamwiseBanned]

what server newb

Zek

[SamwiseBanned]

scary!

http://i.imgur.com/uWriv.jpg

[Samrothstein]

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp268/Aleshawnee/Gifs%20n%20shit/areyoufuckingkiddingme.png

[Cancerface]

except they stated a custom resist system from the start. cant believe root bested the founder of AD. I heard RZ was a joke of a pvp server but I figured people on sz were just trollin. I dunno anymore.

not trollin' rz players were/are scrubs.