Continued from Trakanon thread

[Nirgon]

[Sat Aug 18 01:04:01 2012] Samwise begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:01 2012] Nizzar crushes Swampfeet for 15 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:01 2012] Nizzar crushes Swampfeet for 36 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:01 2012] Nizzar crushes Swampfeet for 17 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:01 2012] Nizzar tries to crush Swampfeet, but Swampfeet dodges!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:01 2012] Nizzar tries to kick Swampfeet, but misses!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] Swampfeet's casting is interrupted!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] Sonic bat tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] Sonic bat bites YOU for 27 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] Sonic bat tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] Laura says out of character, 'Who is boats'
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] You backstab Samwise for 239 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] YOU are pierced by thorns!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:02 2012] You try to pierce Samwise, but miss!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:03 2012] Mellowyellow says out of character, 'still don't understand the holocaust ff bitching'
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:03 2012] Northwest's casting is interrupted!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:03 2012] Samwise's casting is interrupted!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:03 2012] Sonic bat tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:04 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:04 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:04 2012] Northwest begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:04 2012] Gasaner bites YOU for 23 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:04 2012] You are stunned!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:04 2012] Gasaner bashes YOU for 8 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:05 2012] Sonic bat bites YOU for 16 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:05 2012] You are wracked with pain. You have taken 21 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:05 2012] Sonic bat tries to bite YOU, but misses!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:05 2012] Mayor begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:06 2012] You are unstunned.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:06 2012] You can't hit them from here.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:06 2012] Sonic bat tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:07 2012] Samwise begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:07 2012] Gasaner bites YOU for 12 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:07 2012] Sonic bat bites YOU for 14 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:07 2012] Sonic bat bites YOU for 63 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:07 2012] Mayor regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:07 2012] Mayor slashes Ezpk for 16 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:08 2012] Lzar's spell fizzles!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:08 2012] Lzar's spell fizzles!
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:08 2012] Sonic bat bites YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:09 2012] Samwise regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:09 2012] Your feet slow down.
[Sat Aug 18 01:04:09 2012] Your feet become entwined. You have taken 6 points of damage.


Samwise / Trollborn, here's your truth. I didn't even post it, it's from someone still playing. I rest my case on these matters...

Samwise I can understand you want to try to persuade someone who is a little disconnected from development due to what I would call a much needed break. However, proof posted here shows someone rooted on a first attempt.

I'd address others involved in this debate, but they are pants on head retarded. You, at least, should know better.

If you like root spam pvp have fun!

[Nirgon]

See also the stun landing from the sonic bat. Lol. Real classic + makes a lot of sense.

Just tell me this guy was naked and I'll move on.

[SamwiseBanned]

not sure whats worse, pvping with rootspam or dying to rootspam. play better?

[Rogean]

Continued from Trakanon Thread:

I like Pie.

[SamwiseBanned]

my fav part is you take his log as all the proof you need. i guess his MR has nothing to do with root landing.

[Supreme]

http://images.dailydawdle.com/what-the-f.gif

[tehruoh]

my fav part is you take his log as all the proof you need. i guess his MR has nothing to do with root landing.

[Vayder]

I rest my case on these matters...

proof posted here shows someone rooted on a first attempt.


In other news I rolled a twenty-sided die and rolled a twenty on my first roll. Dice must be loaded. I rest my case...

[Supreme]

In other news I rolled a twenty-sided die and rolled a twenty on my first roll. Dice must be loaded. I rest my case...

So by Nirgons rationale if you resisted on the first cast does that also mean resists are broken?

Discuss.

[heartbrand]

So by Nirgons rationale if you resisted on the first cast does that also mean resists are broken?

Discuss.

That was actually Destin's point

[Nirgon]

Supreme went around saying he had me on ignore, yet..

Anyways I had people jumping down my shit saying I'd know something if I logged in within the last 5 months. Well maybe I haven't but it doesn't look like I'm wrong.

Broken is requiring people to wear so much magic gear to resist a spell that is classically a very high resist rate spell, especially one that results in such a resounding splat when landed in group PvP. Stuns too.

Everyone here wants classic EQ but they have no problem at all with things that make playing their classes easier or trivializing content. Big shock, right. What happened to wanting a real classic server? Or a challenge?

[Nizzarr]

I also was chain stunned 4 or 5 times by that same bat with around 100 mr, during that same fight

[Nirgon]

Samwise as far as play better...

I think in that posted scenario you would have been in for a real shock if charm worked like it did on live, and root/stun weren't in their current state.

Not saying you're bad, because I don't think you are, but I can see a reason to make your defense and unfortunately it is very self serving.

[Nirgon]

I also was chain stunned 4 or 5 times by that same bat with around 100 mr, during that same fight

I agree with this guy on the point he makes because he's right.

I don't care for him personally or his history here. But he obviously wants a more classic experience and he's not wrong in the statements he's made here.

A charmed bat shouldn't stun lock someone, nor should the basilisks in saw in Lguk.

I don't think the changes required are going to require entire reworkings of systems or any real massive effort. It's 3 lines of spells as they effect players. Stuns (esp if whirl hasn't been killed with fire yet), roots (esp mage earth pet roots) and blinds.

There have been enough PvP servers with broken mechanics and less than 100 population, why does this one having a slower xp rate make it special?

[SamwiseBanned]

lol Nirgons who argument comes from one first cast root if its even that i mean, we are looking at a splice of a log. ive posted tests, mindsculptor has posted tests, Null has posted tests with 1000s of roots. this is all the evidence you need to pursue you differently?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

[SamwiseBanned]

I agree with this guy on the point he makes because he's right.

I don't care for him personally or his history here. But he obviously wants a more classic experience and he's not wrong in the statements he's made here.

A charmed bat shouldn't stun lock someone, nor should the basilisks in saw in Lguk.

I don't think the changes required are going to require entire reworkings of systems or any real massive effort. It's 3 lines of spells as they effect players. Stuns (esp if whirl hasn't been killed with fire yet), roots (esp mage earth pet roots) and blinds.

There have been enough PvP servers with broken mechanics and less than 100 population, why does this one having a slower xp rate make it special?

so upon charming, the mob should magically become weaker and lose its abilities?

[Nirgon]

You posting that picture is awfully ironic given that you are saying things are fine in the face of that evidence and Nizzar being chain stunned with 100 MR. Way to face plant on that one.

[SamwiseBanned]

I also was chain stunned 4 or 5 times by that same bat with around 100 mr, during that same fight

which could have been avoided had 1 of the 14 Nihilum rushing the bat PL group dispelled the bat lol.

[SamwiseBanned]

You posting that picture is awfully ironic given that you are saying things are fine in the face of that evidence and Nizzar being chain stunned with 100 MR. Way to face plant on that one.

those bats stun me at a 100 mr, and i assure you he wasnt "chain stunned"

[Nirgon]

so upon charming, the mob should magically become weaker and lose its abilities?

You continue to plummet in my eyes as someone who knows classic pvp mechanics so quickly you're going to need an atmospheric heat shield.

[Vayder]

See empirical test HERE (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83370) that was moved to RNF because obviously empirical tests are of little use and flaming is vastly superior.

If you're complaining provide logs with a large enough sample size to be somewhat relevant.

[SamwiseBanned]

http://i.imgur.com/Olp6I.jpg

as you can see a blue shaman hit Nizzar killing him. clearly agi as well as dodge/parry are completely broken.

[SamwiseBanned]

please show me some evidence of bats not stunning with 100 mr.

[Nirgon]

This isn't about dodge/parry.

It's about magic resist but at this rate it's becoming more of a discussion of you defending broken mechanics to make pvp easier for you.

[SamwiseBanned]

See empirical test HERE (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83370) that was moved to RNF because obviously empirical tests are of little use and flaming is vastly superior.

If you're complaining provide logs with a large enough sample size to be somewhat relevant.

[SamwiseBanned]

This isn't about dodge/parry.

It's about magic resist but at this rate it's becoming more of a discussion of you defending broken mechanics to make pvp easier for you.

when you provide proof that a blue con bat cannot stun at 100mr then ill believe you. memories from 13 years ago wouldnt hold up in court nor does it hold up here. on the other hand ive provided you with emperical evidence. Vayder linked post as well as I. Maybe you should read up on it. as far as the magic first cast root, how does that even make sense.

[Nirgon]

please show me some evidence of bats not stunning with 100 mr.

I'll get that to you when I find the youtube video of John Smedley playing Everquest in 1999 with an atomic clock on his desk showing the date, and Lady Daegarmo holding up 2 forms of his ID along next to him.

[SamwiseBanned]

also Nizzar admitted to having 100 mr this fight. probably one of the better geared melees on server. this leaves no doubt in my mind that Destin was sporting about the same or less. so again your little log there proves nothing.

[Nirgon]

memories from 13 years ago

My memory is pretty sharp especially on basic fucking things like root in PvP lol. How did I remember where the wizard guild in Neriak was? How did I remember where to camp the fish bone earring? Why did I start helping pool money together for resist gear early on?

I just know this shit about Everquest. Other people here like Kringe, Zyrino and Dullah seem to also know what they're talking about. Imagine that? We all agree and are proven classic pvp era enthusiast. Zyrino even got 3rd place in the overall necro best of the best. Is he an idiot for believing this too?

/shrug

Whatever makes your life easier man, defending things that were never broken in classic that exist here must be a sweet luxury. Lot of people feeling good about themselves bugging dragons in walls, single pulling with invisibility, dispelling necro healing recourses off themselves and casting bolts through walls.

[SamwiseBanned]

From the VZ 60 Cap Rogue on the safehouse.

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ead.php?t=2872

"Recommended Resists by Order of Importance:
1. Magic: 160-180+ (minimum 140) At this level it is exceedingly rare to be snared/rooted but it occasionally happens when tashed/maloed. Most magic DDs will be resisted totally or partially. Normal mezzes should be resisted.
2. Heat: 140-180+ (minimum 120) Many classes use fire, and it hits hard.
3. Disease: 130-160+ (minimum 100) Most useful against Pox of Bertoxxulous. Pox will stick a good bit at 80 and the surrounding range. Insidious Malady is highly difficult to resist and will decrease disease resist by a lot. It takes 2 charges of SHM cure disease potion to cure and is fast casting. PoB takes 2 charges as well.
3. Poison: 120-140+ (minimum 100) Most useful vs. Envenomed Bolt (ebolt) and Bane of Nife. Same success rate as PoB, perhaps a little lower.
3. Cold: 120-140+ (minimum 100) Not used very much. Shaman nukes and bracer mostly, occasionally druid, rarely wizard. "

this guy ran around with 140 minimum but suggests up to 180+, his guide is huge and a good read. I actually linked it when i first started playing but noone commented. anyhow his suggestions seem to fall in line with what is needed here to be safe from CC.

[SamwiseBanned]

Ill take a documented PvPers word over your sharp memory :)

[CrystalBlue]

my fav part is you take his log as all the proof you need. i guess his MR has nothing to do with root landing.

In other news I rolled a twenty-sided die and rolled a twenty on my first roll. Dice must be loaded. I rest my case...

So by Nirgons rationale if you resisted on the first cast does that also mean resists are broken?

Discuss.

See empirical test HERE (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83370) that was moved to RNF because obviously empirical tests are of little use and flaming is vastly superior.

If you're complaining provide logs with a large enough sample size to be somewhat relevant.


Let us know when you decide to break your 6 month have-not-played-on-the-server streek Nirgon and actually have tried out pvp on the server post-Null's adjustments to CC spells and we might start to take you seriously.

P.S. get Kunark levels of resists before you do so. Your pvping with 50 MR and an advisor robe might be good for qeynos noob yard pvp tests, but do not cut it for the current kunark pvp going on.

[SamwiseBanned]

My tests were over 100+ casts. 10 casts is not even close to a legitimate sample size. 100 isn't even, but it gives you a general idea.

10 casts is not enough sample size? then how in the hell is one log lol

[Nirgon]

180 buffed, ok. Let's fully dispell him down...Tash + Malo have a 50% improvement during that era I presume. Even then? It shouldn't land. 90% is a gross over estimation, it was more like .0005% chance. Did you not see my posting of classic pvp resist that showed if you meet a certain value that you can outright resist certain spells? I guess that dosen't hold in court either.

140 poison SHOULD completely rape any chance of an EB landing on you, same with disease. Here's another example of things I had land on me pretty frequently here despite having close to those values.

[Nirgon]

documented PvPers word

You got one talking to you right now there don't you Chuckles?

[CrystalBlue]

What's funny is that you guys seem to think we were going to strictly adhere to 'classic' for the pvp server. On the contrary we would like to make it somewhat interesting and fun for everyone. Call it Custom Classic if you want, I don't give a shit.


Needs to be quoted again.

Nirgon, I know you'd love for every spell in the game to be made useless and ineffective (except your lures...) but is that whats best for this server?

Wiser minds have already decided: no

If you actually played on this server in the last 6 months you could maybe begin to offer opinions on what pvp resist system would foster the best pvp server enviornment. Instead you just parrot "omg 90 percent of all spells should be useless!!" and your other genius idea for the server, Item Loot.

only people who want item loot are people who dont play and wizards.

Yeah Nirgon, your ideas would really be swell for the server you dont even play on. (did cast put you up to this btw? an alternative angle of attack to kill the server? I'm thinking yes, its just that dumb yet devious)

[Nirgon]

Didn't Rogean say somewhere else he'd listen to changes that need to be played? How about a 5:1 vote that says these mechanics need to go?

Again thanks for "reminding me" that I don't play here right now. Your statements of the unrelated yet obvious sure bolster your argument. As I've stated before, there's been several EQ Emu PvP boxes with broken resists... why does slow xp make this one special?

You're right about one thing, the debate needs to be settled. If Rogean says he'll listen to a poll result and lend his help if the vote passes? I'll be happy with that. Most people, as you'll find, think that putting magic resist gear in every slot and still getting rooted (without even being dispelled!) is absolutely retarded. Same with stuns and blind.

[Nirgon]

I'll have you also know I rooted plenty of people myself and killed them, especially bards. I took no pleasure in doing so. It was a really nice advantage to have but I don't pride myself on winning through flawed mechanics.

As far as me being a wizard... I was going to roll a cleric at release but I was assured we had enough of those. This has nothing to do with me being a wizard. What I do see is people playing casters with selfish interests.

[SamwiseBanned]

dude i love how you ignore the facts. posts from 2000-2001 all says 120-140 MR MIN! nowhere have a i seen 70. the lowest MR recommendation came from Blaarts Troll shammy guide where he recommends 90+, see that + sign, it means you should have more if you can. also I just resisted a first cast root from Smalltalk with 72 MR.

[CrystalBlue]

Rogean just needs to know that many people (most) who rolled up casters on this server will be gone for good when its patched in that all their MR based spells (and dots in the case of shaman) are now suddenly useless in PvP and they proceed to get run over by the well geared and now CC (and mostly all spells in general) melees of the server.

Some will stay and reroll to god-mode Monks, but the rest will say bubye when suddenly they have zero place in pvp on this "pvp server". Or do you think all those now worthless casters will stick around for their PvE roll alone?

Once again you are suggesting this catastrophy of a move for some hidden evil reason since you have not even played on the server in months.

Do I have to break it down class by class and let all the servers enchanters/druids/shaman/etc know what you have in store for them? lol

[Nirgon]

If you think I was running around in newb gear, you must have missed the Tranix Crown I was wearing pre Kunark. You're also using 128mr in these tests. The fact it still even lands then is crazy and more my point. This is the amount of magic resist you should be wearing to specifically fight an enchanter, not in group vs group or against any other class.

The test that appeases a classic resist system is trying to spam root on a caster who is naked minus a shielding buff (let's say arch shielding) and getting the rates you're seeing with 128mr, and then eventually zero as even a few pieces of magic resist are added.

[Nirgon]

suddenly useless in PvP

Tell me how I didn't kill the best of the best rogue (among others) in plane of mischief on live in Velious? I didn't feel useless at all man.

I guess coming from someone who we have a video of casting the enchanter melee slow line several times in a row on a caster would become pretty useless, yeah.

God forbid you learn to play, let's keep broken resists.

[CrystalBlue]

If you think I was running around in newb gear, .


I repeat, the last time you set foot on the server, much less pvp'ed, was before Null patched in some resist code changes.

Log in and go pvp around the world and then tell us what you think about his changes. Right now you are barking about mechanics that are 7 months in their grave.

Stop wasteing everyones time with your memories of pre-Nulls resist changes from a lifetime ago.

When we see you in game pvp now, post changes, let us know your opinions.

[Nirgon]

He can't escape looking like a moran.

Go watch that video posted of him chaining slow on casters and tashing the same target several times.

[Nirgon]

I repeat, the last time you set foot on the server, much less pvp'ed, was before Null patched in some resist code changes.

Log in and go pvp around the world and then tell us what you think about his changes. Right now you are barking about mechanics that are 7 months in their grave.

Stop wasteing everyones time with your memories of pre-Nulls resist changes from a lifetime ago.

When we see you in game pvp now, post changes, let us know your opinions.

A day or two ago it was 5 months, now its 6, now its 7. You can't get anything right :(.

Destin *just* posted evidence of getting rooted on a first cast, which should never happen if he's geared with magic shit.

Even worse than that, and a point I wasn't even going after is the sonic bat stunning the shit out of arguably (probably not even arguably) the best geared monk on the server.

I know you need root to succeed in PvP. It's OK, you'd bad. But you can learn, it might take stem cells and a lot of rehabilitation in terms of how to reason and learn new things... but a little hope and the right modern science could take you a long way.

[CrystalBlue]

^^

Reduced to insults when his flawed arguments and hidden agenda for the server he has not played on in 6 months is revealed.

[CrystalBlue]

posted evidence of getting rooted on a first cast, which should never happen


Please consult:

How could this happen? Die maker must come forward and make a public statement about his "custom" dice. Classic dice didn't work this way.

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVnYXbZZ1JDyw5xD3OxG8akOvjSiTDd Le_cYYCzJet-3OEmALyjw

[Nirgon]

You asked for evidence and Destin and Nizzar came in here and posted it.

Maybe if it was Cast playing or Fiegi or Cwall I'd have a harder time (evidence is evidence though) trying to preach this. But it's not.

Are they lying? Are they not playing anymore? Maybe you think so given how things go trying to reason with you. Anything's possible!

What's going on with this poll?!
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=82941

Here's a hint! It rhymes with you're an idiot.

[SamwiseBanned]

A day or two ago it was 5 months, now its 6, now its 7. You can't get anything right :(.

Destin *just* posted evidence of getting rooted on a first cast, which should never happen if he's geared with magic shit.

Even worse than that, and a point I wasn't even going after is the sonic bat stunning the shit out of arguably (probably not even arguably) the best geared monk on the server.

I know you need root to succeed in PvP. It's OK, you'd bad. But you can learn, it might take stem cells and a lot of rehabilitation in terms of how to reason and learn new things... but a little hope and the right modern science could take you a long way.

We have provided you more than enough evidence that discredits a piece of a log. Not sure if you are trolling or what but you can't possibly be serious.

[SamwiseBanned]

and again I just PvPed a Nihilum Red con druid named Smalltalk. He tried to root me and I resisted first cast at 72 MR.

[Dullah]

Rogean just needs to know that many people (most) who rolled up casters on this server will be gone for good when its patched in that all their MR based spells (and dots in the case of shaman) are now suddenly useless in PvP and they proceed to get run over by the well geared and now CC (and mostly all spells in general) melees of the server.

Some will stay and reroll to god-mode Monks, but the rest will say bubye when suddenly they have zero place in pvp on this "pvp server". Or do you think all those now worthless casters will stick around for their PvE roll alone?

Once again you are suggesting this catastrophy of a move for some hidden evil reason since you have not even played on the server in months.

Do I have to break it down class by class and let all the servers enchanters/druids/shaman/etc know what you have in store for them? lol

Ya, and we already know from these very forums dozens of cases where people PRESENTLY don't play because of the resist system. How many times have we heard people say resists are bad and quit? If they quit because the mechanics are classic, fuck them, this is SUPPOSED to be CLASSIC PVP.

[Nirgon]

Please consult:

http://i50.tinypic.com/3508gfr.png

Fixed that for you.

Every spell has a value where once the target reaches that level of resistance, they resist it out right.

Now the question is: does this server have that mechanic in place? Or are the values just wrong?

It's one of the two. Not everything is a dice roll in EQ where something CAN happen, albeit with insanely low odds. Some things are *literally* just impossible to land because a certain value is reached. The dice do not apply.

Class dismissed.

[Dullah]

when you provide proof that a blue con bat cannot stun at 100mr then ill believe you. memories from 13 years ago wouldnt hold up in court nor does it hold up here. on the other hand ive provided you with emperical evidence. Vayder linked post as well as I. Maybe you should read up on it. as far as the magic first cast root, how does that even make sense.
The memories of 99% of this forum are that you'd never need, AT BEST, more than 100MR to resists roots/stuns/blinds/snares in pvp. In a courtroom you wouldn't need 100 people saying the same thing, you need two unless contested, and frankly its not. Just because you have no idea what everquest was like because you were probably 12 years old, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. Go ahead tho, pretend the 2 quotes you have of HIGH end resist recommendations from velious after the debuff patch applies to this era.

[SamwiseBanned]

You first (maybe 2nd?) casted me in solb soon as I zoned in with 120+mr. If thats not bad enough, you were around 8 levels under me. I got first casted with 171 last week by someone 4 levels under me. 171 first cast is my record in the last week, but I've had several 140s, 130s and numerous in betweens in the last month.

so it could have been my 2nd cast. interesting... also get ready to get headshotted.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7751891/root_chart.jpg

[SamwiseBanned]

also i was clearly level 50 in that encounter. you state I was 8 levels under you. so which is it?

[Dullah]

You were blue con dude. The day before you were pewpewin, but it wasn't with starfire. Please don't make me keep digging thru my logs. At best you had just dinged 49.

Charts means nothing other than that it takes like 140MR to have just a 90% chance to resist root... thats only TWICE AS MUCH AS YOU NEEDED IN 1999!

note: perhaps enlarging font will help comprehension for retards

[SamwiseBanned]

You were blue con dude. The day before you were pewpewin, but it wasn't with starfire. Please don't make me keep digging thru my logs. At best you had just dinged 49.

I also was chain stunned 4 or 5 times by that same bat with around 100 mr, during that same fight

Not my level in screenshot.

http://i.imgur.com/Olp6I.jpg

Originally Posted by Dullah
You first (maybe 2nd?) casted me in solb soon as I zoned in with 120+mr. If thats not bad enough, you were around 8 levels under me. I got first casted with 171 last week by someone 4 levels under me. 171 first cast is my record in the last week, but I've had several 140s, 130s and numerous in betweens in the last month.

[SamwiseBanned]

also I forgot the entire quote from Null

Here is a chart for 'Root'. You can ignore the low and high partial lines, since they don't have any bearing on roots.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7751891/root_chart.jpg

And here is the results of 20,000 simulated casts against 120MR:

Spell Name: Root Resist Mod: 25
Casts: 20000 Full Hits: 0 Partials 2305 Resists: 17695
Resists Percent: 88.47% Average Partial: 38.18
Average Damage: 0.00

20000 roots at 120 MR sample vs one of Destins longs. hmmmmmm

[Nirgon]

Root landing at 120 MR. There's your problem. It just seems to keep happening too doesn't it? Everytime you ask someone to post a proof of it landing on a first case? It comes up.

On live we couldn't even root someone in no drop gear that was tashed and fully dispelled.

What's your reason for defending all this again? Mine are I want a classic resist system. Yours? I highly suspect the desire for a pvp crutch.

[SamwiseBanned]

Let us use logic instead of false memory. Most chars start with what 25 mr? Okay so GMR at lvl 50 gives 50 mr. So you are telling me one resist magic buff should = CC immunity despite multiple classic posts advising 120-140+ mr minimum?

[SamwiseBanned]

thats 75 mr right there. god forbid they wear MR gear or even worse have a bard or innate warrior MR. what is the point of it all if you are supposed to be CC immune at 70?

[SamwiseBanned]

triple post correction. gmr is 55mr not 50 mr :(

[CrystalBlue]

Dullahs post made me think of something else:

How grossly overgeared we all are on this server. We know the camps, know what is best in slot,etc.

Why in the world SHOULD red99 mimic 1999 resist rates to a tee when our gear is about 50 times better then we would of been sporting at the same time in the timeline back in real 1999?

More food for thought.

Null really did think this out when he devised his resist system, im impressed. He knew how grossly overpowered meeles would be on this server with our knowledge of game and how easy it is to get gear here on the low pop server.

/tips hat to Null's well balanced system, he saw things that we keep overlooking when taking the server as a whole into account.

[Dullah]

Another first cast snare with 120+ MR. I was level 58 or 59. Gunnagetcha's first root was resisted, but Fettin (being probably 5+ levels beneath me - still using starfire) lands snare first try.

[Sat Aug 25 01:43:21 2012] --Nizzar has looted a Ruby.--
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:39 2012] Gunnagetcha's spell fizzles!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:42 2012] Gunnagetcha's spell fizzles!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:42 2012] You have moved and are no longer hidden!!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:42 2012] You try to backstab Fettin, but miss!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:43 2012] Auto attack is on.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:43 2012] You pierce Fettin for 44 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:43 2012] YOU are pierced by thorns!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:43 2012] Gunnagetcha begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:43 2012] Auto attack is off.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:45 2012] You resist the Root spell!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:46 2012] Fettin begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:48 2012] Gunnagetcha begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:48 2012] Your feet slow down.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:48 2012] You are ensnared.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:49 2012] Auto attack is on.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:49 2012] You try to pierce Gunnagetcha, but Gunnagetcha's magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:49 2012] You try to pierce Gunnagetcha, but Gunnagetcha's magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:50 2012] Nizzar tells the guild, 'what class is fettin'
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:50 2012] You resist the Root spell!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:51 2012] Fettin begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:52 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:52 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:52 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:52 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:53 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:54 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:54 2012] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:54 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:55 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:55 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:56 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:56 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:56 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:56 2012] You feel the pain of a thousand stings.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:57 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:57 2012] Item is out of charges.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:57 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:57 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:58 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:58 2012] Gunnagetcha begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:58 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:58 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:59 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:59 2012] Item is out of charges.
[Sat Aug 25 01:43:59 2012] Fettin begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:00 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:00 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:00 2012] Gazer tells the guild, 'druid i think'
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:00 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:00 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:01 2012] You are caught in a torrent of fire. You have taken 275 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:01 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:01 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:02 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:02 2012] Batlle tells the guild, 'druid'
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:02 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:02 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:03 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:03 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:03 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:04 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:05 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:05 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:05 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:05 2012] You feel the glare of the heavens. You have taken 410 points of damage.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:05 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:06 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:06 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:07 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:07 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:07 2012] Try attacking someone other than yourself, it's more productive.
[Sat Aug 25 01:44:08 2012] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

[SamwiseBanned]

again one incident is not a sample size.

[Dullah]

I could literally do this all day.

[SamwiseBanned]

please do. but instead do a series of 100 or so. also this log shows nothing. not MR, not level range.

[Dullah]

Going to pvp in TT, buffed at EJ. Full MR gear 141 MR + resist magic 171mr.

[Wed Aug 29 01:02:14 2012] Batlle begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:19 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:19 2012] Batlle is resistant to cold.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:22 2012] Batlle begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:23 2012] Murderface says out of character, 'she plays sometimes'
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:23 2012] Tune tells the guild, 'my whole grp zoned out'
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:23 2012] You feel resistant from magic.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:26 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:26 2012] Batlle is resistant to fire.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:29 2012] Batlle begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:31 2012] You feel resistant from cold.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:32 2012] Mendan's eyes gleam with heroic resolution.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:32 2012] You feel heroic.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:32 2012] Batlle's eyes gleam with heroic resolution.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:34 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:38 2012] You feel resistant from fire.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:43 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:46 2012] You told tune, 'you guys doing xp?'
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:48 2012] Mendan is resistant to magic.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:51 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:54 2012] Batlle begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:55 2012] Mendan is resistant to cold.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:58 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:02:58 2012] Batlle is resistant to magic.
[Wed Aug 29 01:03:01 2012] Batlle begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:03:02 2012] Mendan is resistant to fire.
[Wed Aug 29 01:03:05 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:03:07 2012] Mendan winces.
[Wed Aug 29 01:03:07 2012] Mendan is cloaked in a shimmer of glowing symbols.
[Wed Aug 29 01:03:07 2012] Batlle has healed you for 446 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 29 01:03:07 2012] A mystic symbol flashes before your eyes.

Competition ports out, so I decide to attack Mendan instead.

[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] ---------------------------
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Batlle <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Mendan <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Songs
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [55 Revenant] Raze (Dark Elf) <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Tune <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Cholk <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Milkshake <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Dominos <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Ender <Nihilum>
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:01 2012] There are 9 players in Trakanon's Teeth.
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:08 2012] Shanii tells the guild, 'foo'
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:16 2012] Mendan says out of character, 'you guys forget to evac songs'
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:23 2012] Ezpk says out of character, 'not us'
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:39 2012] You try to backstab Mendan, but miss!
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:39 2012] You backstab Mendan for 120 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 29 01:11:59 2012] You begin casting Levitate.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:01 2012] You feel as if you are about to fall.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:05 2012] Your feet leave the ground.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:08 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:09 2012] You no longer have a target.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:16 2012] Mendan regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:16 2012] You stagger as spirits of frost slam against you. You have taken 116 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:17 2012] You pierce Mendan for 49 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:32 2012] You no longer have a target.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:49 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:51 2012] The spirit of wolf leaves you.
[Wed Aug 29 01:12:51 2012] Your feet adhere to the ground.
[Wed Aug 29 01:13:31 2012] Mendan begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 29 01:13:32 2012] Your feet come free.
[Wed Aug 29 01:13:39 2012] You stagger as spirits of frost slam against you. You have taken 75 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 29 01:13:53 2012] Your feet feel quick.

First cast, 171mr.

[Itap]

Wait wait wait, Nirgon is bitching about resists on a (free) emulated server that he DOESN'T EVEN PLAY ON? Move on to the next game and stop shitting up these forums

[Nirgon]

If you check out the other thread you'll see that having 128 mr and even a chance to still get rooted is absolutely ridiculous, especially if they are blue to you.

[Nirgon]

Wait wait wait, Nirgon is bitching about resists on a (free) emulated server that he DOESN'T EVEN PLAY ON? Move on to the next game and stop shitting up these forums

People that still play here are bitching too.

People left because of it.

Let's talk about all the people that left that were "bitching" about guard assist not working.

Go sit in the corner, retard.

[CrystalBlue]

So I take it you dont agree with Null that at 6 percent chance to get rooted at 120 MR is a balanced mechanic for this server?

I dont know why we keep talkikng about resist rate, Null has already told us what it was for Root.

The topic of discussion is: is what Null posted and showed in his chart good or bad for this pvp server?

I maintain it is, its one very tiny small check on monster meele rapage. Frankly its not even close to being enough to balanced end game meele with casters.

What say you all?

[Nirgon]

Go check out the poll Trollborn.

I posted hard math in the other thread.

Let's debate if people came here for a Classic EQ server or not.

[CrystalBlue]

Yes, that is what this server needs, mob rule handed down by troll filled and infiltrated polls by people who dont play on the server, or worse have hidden agendas to bring it down.

[SamwiseBanned]

again the logs do not show me your MR value nor can you prove these are even real. I am not saying you are makin shit up but need the complete scenario to make sense of this. Need level range and MR for the 100th time.

[Nirgon]

You'll use someone like Cast as an example and give yourself a big pat on the back.

But was I trying to destroy the server? Stasis? Dullah? I don't think we're trying to destroy the server at all man.

In fact, if people who didn't have a clue whatsoever would stop chiming in and acting retarded, all this stuff I post wouldn't come across as "trolling" so much.

[Dullah]

Your arguments are straw dummys. You can assume the people I'm pvping are all the same level, and it still makes the scenario ridiculous. I see you talking, but all I hear is flatulation.

[Dullah]

Your arguments are straw dummys. You can assume the people I'm pvping are all the same level, and it still makes the scenario ridiculous. I see you talking, but all I hear is flatulation.

note:Above comment in reference to Samwise previous post.

[CrystalBlue]

So Nirgon,

Do you think end game (and on this server end game is ez to get to, i don think there is a monk left in Nihilum without a T-staff and dragon haste and a high resist set) Monks, Warriors, Rogues,etc. being immune to CC is good for this pvp server?

Honest question.

Do you know what a sad joke any caster on this server is pitted against the current end game meele? Why would you think making it even more lopsided is good for the server?

[SamwiseBanned]

Nirgon you guys have provided 0 proof of your magical first cast root besides a couple of partial logs. Somehow by god's grace I resisted a first cast root with only 72 MR to a red con druid. Jesus must love me.

[SamwiseBanned]

I have no idea what's stopping you from conducting your own tests that show your MR and level range of caster. Instead you are going through /100 days played logs and so far you've come up with 2 examples. So 2/100 days (1/50) youll have a chance to be first casted regardless of MR, level and level range.

[Zereh]

Pumice the insignificant root off of yourself and go backstab / ice comet already.

[Dullah]

Pumice the insignificant root off of yourself and go backstab / ice comet already.
Pumice takes channeling if I'm getting hit. As can be seen in previous logs, had I no dispel wand, theres no way I'd have made it out alive.

Thanks for your troll input though.

[CrystalBlue]

not everyone can channel

have you ever played a melee before?

Above level 17? You havent

[Nirgon]

So Nirgon,

Do you think end game (and on this server end game is ez to get to, i don think there is a monk left in Nihilum without a T-staff and dragon haste and a high resist set) Monks, Warriors, Rogues,etc. being immune to CC is good for this pvp server?

Honest question.

Do you know what a sad joke any caster on this server is pitted against the current end game meele? Why would you think making it even more lopsided is good for the server?

I killed plenty of melees without root.

I got killed by them too.

You see, things like T-staffs are classic. Do I think a cleric manastoning and CH'ing over and over is fair? No. But it's a classic element of the game.

I have one consideration, to play classic Everquest. Would I be better in group vs group as a dragonhasted, tstaff monk? Probably. Is it still possible to beat one? Maybe not in every situation but yes.

As far as dragon haste and high end resist items etc, I am still a major proponent of item loot. It won't kill the server, much like a classic resist system wouldn't either. Is someone going to get ganked and lose an item? Oh definitely. Are they going to cry like a baby and quit? Up to them.

Risk vs reward.

[Nirgon]

Well when melees are unrootable at 50+ magic resist as an even con, maybe they'd think about it.

Funny how the Everquest team had an entire staff of designers and developers who *did do this as a job* and they decided it was the system that worked best.

Oh yeah and then those other fruit cakes came along and made cats on the moon expansions and broke everything.

[SamwiseBanned]

now unrootable at 50mr. dude you did not pvp during classic lol.

[Dullah]

Out of 60 players online at 4pm est, 9 of them are melees. I wonder why???? Surely this resist system is successful and beneficial to all players! Everyone obviously supports it...

[SamwiseBanned]

so one GMR and im immune!!! lol now its just getting silly.

[Nirgon]

Samwise I have a link to my character's guild history on RZ and people from that server recognized me by name.

It's getting classic, you're getting scared. I expect that out of a lot of people here.

I'd love to see that invis pulling shit removed here too.

I was told if you don't like it, leave. So I did.

But they also welcome submissions to fix non classic elements to the game. Aye, there's the rub.

[Nirgon]

so one GMR and im immune!!! lol now its just getting silly.

Yeah someone like you using dispel instead of root would be pretty silly I guess.

[CrystalBlue]

superstar


^^

http://i.imgur.com/wSAiW.png

[SamwiseBanned]

Yeah someone like you using dispel instead of root would be pretty silly I guess.

so they can dispel a GMR but not a root that lands 1/10 times. very interesting.

[heartbrand]

Out of 60 players online at 4pm est, 9 of them are melees. I wonder why???? Surely this resist system is successful and beneficial to all players! Everyone obviously supports it...

I've been agreeing with a lot of your points lately, but I think the more likely reason is that groups are hard to come by and melees can't do much solo

[Nirgon]

Unrootable at 51 mr as an even con might sound insane to someone who only played the VZTZ boxes, I know trust me. Hence the big fuss by the classic players here looking for that and not another one of those.

[Nirgon]

so they can dispel a GMR but not a root that lands 1/10 times. very interesting.

Yeah I figured I was going to have to help you understand the mechanics of offensive versus defensive dispelling.

Here's why dispelling yourself is harder, of ye of little thinking things through:

You're being chased by a train of melees and pets.

Root lands.

What happens?

Now, scenario 2:

You are assisting on a train against said person, you are trying to chain dispels. Harder to have a casted dispel finish casting than a root before the target gets out of range.

Or how about I'm a melee trying to pumice a caster? Alright fine no prob, I have a sow instead of jboots and I make some gains and land one, thusly removing their sow. Now consider you're the melee being assist trained, not casting many dispels from your pumice there are ya?

I can go in depth with this way more.

If you're going to try and say the classic pvp system didn't work at all or was stupid.. maybe you just want this turned into another VZTZ box like some of the others. Terrible :(.

[SamwiseBanned]

Unrootable at 51 mr as an even con might sound insane to someone who only played the VZTZ boxes, I know trust me. Hence the big fuss by the classic players here looking for that and not another one of those.

"Magic resistance (MR) is the most important stat. Look around for cheap MR items, and after you have about 100 MR (buffed), start getting cold + fire resist items (need 100+ in each to notice a difference), and finally disease & poison (need 50-60 in each to notice a difference). If a resist item has any +WIS, AC, or mana, consider it a bonus. Here are some of the more popular items for mid level shaman (many of these I still use at 50):"

http://www.notacult.com/guide_trollshaman.html

Documented RZ legend suggests 100MR. Now why would he say that? Also this guy didnt have access to the gear we have and we are now in Kunark. Explain?

[Nirgon]

100mr buffed

Didn't I just try to teach you about dispells? Did you consider being tashed what it might be?

[mindsculptor]

Out of 60 players online at 4pm est, 9 of them are melees. I wonder why???? Surely this resist system is successful and beneficial to all players! Everyone obviously supports it...

I think this is more due to the server population than resists. Just today someone asked what they should play and the first 3 responses are "a solo class" and not b/c they could be rooted in pvp.

[SamwiseBanned]

still have yet to see one of you with 170 mr do a series of tests on roots. doesnt take but a minute.

[SamwiseBanned]

as for the magic first cast root, explain to me how that works and what is considered first cast? is it the first root casted on you? is it the first cast from the caster?

[SamwiseBanned]

maybe Destin should play a warrior instead or play better. I've never landed a root on Teruoh, Ordaga, Feen, or Wakawaka.

[Nirgon]

Maybe root landing like that is game breaking and retarded

[Vayder]

Suggested changes posted with poll in server chat - let's make this happen!

[Zalaerian]

Suggested changes posted with poll in server chat - let's make this happen!

Or play on LoZ where the resist code isnt shit.

[gloinz]

idk why sam keeps holding to that dumb rogue post like its the holy bible of resist code

you could point to the fact blart the foh shaman pvp champ recommended 90 resist (which would have stopped all stuns, most cleric/enchanter nukes, and most roots)

[SamwiseBanned]

didnt realize 50 mr was high resist.

[Dullah]

idk why sam keeps holding to that dumb rogue post like its the holy bible of resist code

you could point to the fact blart the foh shaman pvp champ recommended 90 resist (which would have stopped all stuns, most cleric/enchanter nukes, and most roots)

Exactly, 90mr was all you need. Coming from someone who pvp'd Blart in the swamps of innothule..

[SamwiseBanned]

Exactly, 90mr was all you need. Coming from someone who pvp'd Blart in the swamps of innothule..

actually his guide says 100 and I imagine it could be interrupted as 100+ seeing as how he doesnt say 100 and you are immune.

Look at your DR and try to get a fungi tunic if youd dont already have one. Also make sure you have MR over 100 or so and bring pumice with you to dispell stuff on yourself or buffs on him.

Shamans are very easy IMO , even level 60 ones with malo.
Malo has a 6 second casting time nuff said. atm in resist gear i have around 178 MR. when i would duel with 138 MR I would resist all MR spells. just keep your PR up also cuase bane of nife is VERY bad. root the shaman with poison . if you don't have poison just chase them down.

Even vs. a level 60 (-60 to each resist from Malo with the new PvP debuff enhancement), 150MR, 135PR/DR, 135CR = immune to everything but Malo/Insidious (resist debuffs) and the Epic weapon DOT, even after debuffs. Not uncommon to see those kind of resists at 55+ even on blue servers.

mind you these are posts about 51+ pvp and not the first year of eq swamp defense which was blaarts case.

[SamwiseBanned]

refereces:
http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7580

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7578

2001 posts

[hagard]

Hey Sam did you ever play live? Or is r99 your only pvp experience

[Dullah]

he has no fucking clue. He was probably 6 when kunark came out.

[SamwiseBanned]

i guess everyone at the safehouse didnt have a fuckin clue lol. and yes i played and i remember people tell me to get 100+ which I never did. meanwhile destin gets rooted consistantly at his imaginary 171 mr.

[SamwiseBanned]

and if you are argueing resists arent classic i thought that was already established when the server came up.

[SamwiseBanned]

mind you i quit around or before SoL. some classic things i remember was fear landing on players, pod attacking and killing everyone (not by a bard/fansy), and being stuck naked around halas qeynos because I was on the good team :(

[gloinz]

i guess everyone at the safehouse didnt have a fuckin clue lol. and yes i played and i remember people tell me to get 100+ which I never did. meanwhile destin gets rooted consistantly at his imaginary 171 mr.

still hanging onto that one post from one guy on one forum from one rogue (who thought he could kill any class = lol)like its the bible i see

protip: its not

[Nirgon]

I was pvping alongside botb champions while Sam was still just a twinkle in that rapist's eye.

[SamwiseBanned]

still hanging onto that one post from one guy on one forum from one rogue (who thought he could kill any class = lol)like its the bible i see

protip: its not

like every rogue on there

[Smedy]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7751891/root_chart.jpg

if that chart is true on same level opponent consideration i think the curve needs to be tweaked a little, 140 mr should give you around 95% resist chance not 90, note there's a huge difference in these numbers for the high end scale of the curve.

iin my opinion 100 should be around where 140 is right now.

not sure how classic this is but tbh i don't give a fuck, no one can say exactly how the resist curves looked & changed overtime in eq classic, all i know is that i was fairly safe from roots at 120 mr with my mage, however when "malo'd" it usually landed on first or second attempt.

[Smedy]

Actually it looks like 140 is giving around 95% chance, so that should be more then sufficient to counter any "root spam tactics", it's really 1 out of 20 brews, but it's all about the dice sometimes

[Nirgon]

Yeah or 51 at even level should give you immunity but if you have a server where you wear pure magic in every slot, sure yeah do that.

[bigeasy]

Or play on LoZ where the resist code isnt shit.

really??? splurt and winged death are resisted on loz with about 100mr,, that is pretty broken dont think i ever saw that on live,, and i have seen people get rooted just as often if not more than this box

[Nirgon]

^ yeah.

And Big Filthed stop going so hard on the homeys. What happened to you bud? Thought we wuz pals.

[Nirgon]

Upon investigation on the difficulty presented by Trakanon on this server, I take back my original congratulations on the kill.

This fight is pretty trivial here compared to Live.