The /OOC problem:

[Tr0llb0rn]

I've noticed that since the pop has gone way up in preperation for Kunark, that /ooc has gone FAR beyond "want to sell/looking for group" and into the realm of insanity. Its a constant wave of racist/sexist/homophobic spam. Some have already posted screenshots showing examples of how bad it has gotten. I'm too much the gentleman to add to those screenshots, but trust me when I say its getting rediculous.

There is /ooc and there is no /ooc, but then there can be some sort of compromise between the two that maybe limits /ooc to one message per minute or so? That would be more then enough for people to advertise a group, lfg, try to sell or buy something or even to brag about a pvp exploit.

I propose, especially of YellowText is going in with Kunark, that some sort of limit be placed on /ooc to stop all this evil spam that is flooding our airwaves and turning away many mature new players from the server. I'm constantly hearing from new people that this non-stop KKK rally in /ooc is turning them away from this community.

Let us make it so, for the sake of the community.

[heartbrand]

Does nihilum endorse tehruoh's constant racist and anti-semetic spam in ooc? Will he be guild removed for this disgusting behavior?

[Mornin3.0]

http://gradpreneurmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/no-whining.jpg

[Amesplayerofgames]

I've noticed that since the pop has gone way up in preperation for Kunark, that /ooc has gone FAR beyond "want to sell/looking for group" and into the realm of insanity. Its a constant wave of racist/sexist/homophobic spam. Some have already posted screenshots showing examples of how bad it has gotten. I'm too much the gentleman to add to those screenshots, but trust me when I say its getting rediculous.

There is /ooc and there is no /ooc, but then there can be some sort of compromise between the two that maybe limits /ooc to one message per minute or so? That would be more then enough for people to advertise a group, lfg, try to sell or buy something or even to brag about a pvp exploit.

I propose, especially of YellowText is going in with Kunark, that some sort of limit be placed on /ooc to stop all this evil spam that is flooding our airwaves and turning away many mature new players from the server. I'm constantly hearing from new people that this non-stop KKK rally in /ooc is turning them away from this community.

Let us make it so, for the sake of the community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw

[Lazortag]

If people are spamming homophobia, sexism and racism (which I don't doubt), why not screenshot it and report them? It should be enough to have rules against what sort of speech is allowed in global ooc, and mute people who violate those rules.

[heartbrand]

We do and nothing ever happens, it's an exercise in vain.

[Tradesonred]

Honestly im not sure where you take this "constant racism" stuff from. I left a guild for that, so i should notice. Its mostly just kidding around and talking and passing time while youre grinding your life away. I say keep it as it is till pop rises alot more. Teach noobs to use ignore.

[Advisor]

I wouldn't call it racism.

People are bickering, and referencing times when the server had a different population, and referencing forum wars.

The people that are new to this server are most likely confused by this, but I wouldn't say it drives them away.

[SamwiseBanned]

I posted recented a recent an ooc racist in another thread but on phone ATM so can't repost

[Tradesonred]

I posted recented a recent an ooc racist in another thread but on phone ATM so can't repost

Cant make sense apparently either lol

[SamwiseBanned]

Lol owned this is why I don't post on phone

[Tr0llb0rn]

If people are spamming homophobia, sexism and racism (which I don't doubt), why not screenshot it and report them? It should be enough to have rules against what sort of speech is allowed in global ooc, and mute people who violate those rules.

Well its a drain on dev/GM time and by the time they get around to doing something about it, we may have lost another dozen mature players we have so painstakenly recruited from blue and elsewhere.

Slathar, one of the worse offenders, has been reported more times then anyone can count, and he continues to log in to ONLY spam ooc with vulgarities and (his favorite thing to do) spam random people with hate tells and walls of @@@@@@@@ over and over again.

Ok so we can ignore, for example, slathar. But for every 10 noobies that ignore slathar..how many say "this community sucks" and never logs in again?

We should be cultivating a classic community here, not EQ-the Klan rally edition.

[aborted]

Can't you just turn off OOC if it bothers you? That is what a mature person would do.

[rykker]

Stop being a rat....

I've noticed that since the pop has gone way up in preperation for Kunark, that /ooc has gone FAR beyond "want to sell/looking for group" and into the realm of insanity. Its a constant wave of racist/sexist/homophobic spam. Some have already posted screenshots showing examples of how bad it has gotten. I'm too much the gentleman to add to those screenshots, but trust me when I say its getting rediculous.

There is /ooc and there is no /ooc, but then there can be some sort of compromise between the two that maybe limits /ooc to one message per minute or so? That would be more then enough for people to advertise a group, lfg, try to sell or buy something or even to brag about a pvp exploit.

I propose, especially of YellowText is going in with Kunark, that some sort of limit be placed on /ooc to stop all this evil spam that is flooding our airwaves and turning away many mature new players from the server. I'm constantly hearing from new people that this non-stop KKK rally in /ooc is turning them away from this community.

Let us make it so, for the sake of the community.

[Zereh]

^^ Too bad people have to resort to this just because a select few can't act right.

And to think that /ooc had actually been tolerable until about a week ago.

[Swampfeet]

^^

Too bad people who don't like it are too dumb to just ignore /ooc instead of bitching about it on the forums in order to try and screw others who do like it.

[Smedy]

trolling about closing ooc now that the server might have chance to pickup back up on the pop should be a bannable offense.

[JenJen]

northwest leading by example today~

[Slathar]

Well its a drain on dev/GM time and by the time they get around to doing something about it, we may have lost another dozen mature players we have so painstakenly recruited from blue and elsewhere.

Slathar, one of the worse offenders, has been reported more times then anyone can count, and he continues to log in to ONLY spam ooc with vulgarities and (his favorite thing to do) spam random people with hate tells and walls of @@@@@@@@ over and over again.

Ok so we can ignore, for example, slathar. But for every 10 noobies that ignore slathar..how many say "this community sucks" and never logs in again?

We should be cultivating a classic community here, not EQ-the Klan rally edition.

ive never said anything remotely racist. i talk shit, sure. can't take the heat?

[Greegon]

trolling about closing ooc now that the server might have chance to pickup back up on the pop should be a bannable offense.

[Malevz]

For the record I am against killing Palestinians and taking their lands too (Pretty sure that's anti-semetic)

Does nihilum endorse tehruoh's constant racist and anti-semetic spam in ooc? Will he be guild removed for this disgusting behavior?

[Liukang]

i say grow up turn the OOC off or find another game . GMs cant control every word that is typed in your chat box . just like in real life your going to hear and see stuff you dont like. either do something about it or get over it . if you start putting time limits on messages for OOC they will put it in shout do it in shout they will do it in auction just leave it alone i never heard anyone complain on live about any stupid thing like this

[Dullah]

For the record I am against killing Palestinians and taking their lands too (Pretty sure that's anti-semetic)

Impossible to "take Palestinian land", they don't have any. The very name Palestinian was created to justify taking something every nation knows doesn't belong to them...

Anywho, ya, once a minute timer on ooc plz, thx!

[heartbrand]

Holy shit me and destin with same view on middle east maybe we should be pals.

[Zereh]

I'm not an advocate of shutting off /ooc even though I have it off 99% of the time. It's just unfortunate that the biggest mouths have absolutely nothing to say worth paying attention to. Limiting it's use might be a good compromise though.

[Vladigan]

Please allow me to introduce you to an under-used command ... /ignore

I don't see the spam because if people are abusing the global OOC i immediately put them on /ignore.... if they are talking shit to each other, i politely ask the parties in question to take it to tells, if they do not... they get placed on /ignore...

People, it is as simple as this... don't like what you see? /ignore it!

The thing I love about EQ vs all other is that in this game your reputation actually impacts you... You think spam is bad here, try playing wow and watching the "trade" channel for any actual trading going on...

In the end, for the ones who want to act like children, if we all /ignore them, very soon they will only be "impressing" themselves in their own little world where no one acknowledges them and/or entertaining the other kiddies who are /ignored with them...

Morale of the story:

Be careful how you act in public forums, it may impact your chance to enjoy playing this game. Please utilize your power to filter out the rude and adolescent players. (/ignore)

Rinse and repeat....

Bye-Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ..!

[BigTB]

trolling about closing ooc now that the server might have chance to pickup back up on the pop should be a bannable offense.

[Tradesonred]

Impossible to "take Palestinian land", they don't have any. The very name Palestinian was created to justify taking something every nation knows doesn't belong to them...

Anywho, ya, once a minute timer on ooc plz, thx!

They have more rights to that land than euro-americans do on american soil

[Dullah]

Please allow me to introduce you to an under-used command ... /ignore

I don't see the spam because if people are abusing the global OOC i immediately put them on /ignore.... if they are talking shit to each other, i politely ask the parties in question to take it to tells, if they do not... they get placed on /ignore...

People, it is as simple as this... don't like what you see? /ignore it!

Welcome to a pvp server, where ignoring people leaves you at a disadvantage.

Simple fix: limit number of ooc msgs per minute for a player.

Even easier than ignoring. No assembly required.

[Porkchop]

OOC is easly hidden. I think its fine now.

[Swampfeet]

How does ignoring people put you at a disadvantage, specifically trolls you do not like?

[rykker]

Ignoring the type of people you wanna ignore wont leave you at any disadvantage.....normally those people are non-factors.You think ignoring Slathar gonna hurt you......i havent logged in....whos is the racist spammers now?Whats your # of msgs per minute in mind?Could hurt ya more if you dont ignore just these people and risk losing something you wanna read in thier spam.......Maybe raise the amount of the ignore list.

Welcome to a pvp server, where ignoring people leaves you at a disadvantage.

Simple fix: limit number of ooc msgs per minute for a player.

Even easier than ignoring. No assembly required.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Well i'll give you a very good example from just last night and everyone who was on can testify.

Pastor, obnoxious ooc troll spamming it with all kinds of garbage BUT he was also calling out pvp-type info in /ooc often. Like "so and so is CRing in WC" or "so and so just zoned into zone Z". He did this several times, so those that ignored him (maybe some of those he called out) would have no clue that they just got called out by him in ooc till the gank squad arrived.

Thats just one example, and its fresh from just last night /ooc.

[Dullah]

No reason to use OOC more than once a minute, so limiting it to this is just common sense. Those against this obvious trolls in favor of their buddies spamming nonsense and making inflammatory remarks.

If you need a group, once a minute is more than enough. If you are selling something, once a minute is more than frequent enough to auction when theres 150-200 people online.

[gloinz]

why is this even a thread you can turn ooc off or ignore people stop crying for gm's/developers every 2 secounds and play the box you bunch of girlymen

[Swampfeet]

Everyone loves /ooc stop whining

[gloinz]

Everyone loves /ooc stop whining

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/9634401.jpg

[Rushmore]

OOC is easily hidden.

Blue SERVER is rated:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZmTBF2vg0H8/Td3P61edm0I/AAAAAAAAFoc/mu5Cp6fnfLE/s1600/G_MPAA_rating.png

RED SERVER is rated:

http://www.epicparent.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/RATED-R.png

[notCwall]

R for RMT?

[Mornin3.0]

bunch of girlymen

[SearyxTZ]

trolling about closing ooc now that the server might have chance to pickup back up on the pop should be a bannable offense.

Yes.


This thread is retarded.

Quit being a baby. 100 people chatting IS classic. Instead of turning off the entire social feature of the game maybe consider just disciplining the one jackass spamming it with racism? Also CLASSIC btw. Classic moderation.

[gprater]

can we just take away the ability to use the word "bro"? or any corruption of said word? and maybe limit the "are you mad?" to once a day? if someone uses it 2x in a day they get an automatic message that tells them to grow up? or go back and keep playing the game?...or maybe is asks them "do you really need validation beyond killing the pixels?"

not feeling very witty...other than the immature crap global /ooc is great!

[Swampfeet]

brosef u mad?

[SearyxTZ]

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/DealWithIt/30wphfo.jpg.gif

[Dullah]

http://i.imgur.com/riHfL.gif

[El_Zorro]

Welcome to a pvp server, where ignoring people leaves you at a disadvantage.

I thought a disadvantage was something that happens when a person decides to draw their rapier against me.

Let it be, hombro

[tehruoh]

the only person i hate/discriminate against is heartbrand. he is his own category of... stuff...

more stuff....

*inserts remark to make heartbrand mad***

stuff.

[Mornin3.0]

you are all a bunch of man babies.. grow up and quit whining about your little game..

[Tradesonred]

Those against this obvious trolls in favor of their buddies spamming nonsense and making inflammatory remarks.


Or having a conversation at 4am while you are grinding alone in a zone to make things more interesting.

[Lazortag]

No reason to use OOC more than once a minute, so limiting it to this is just common sense. Those against this obvious trolls in favor of their buddies spamming nonsense and making inflammatory remarks.

If you need a group, once a minute is more than enough. If you are selling something, once a minute is more than frequent enough to auction when theres 150-200 people online.

And if I want to have a conversation, saying one line a minute should be enough? Since when are the only uses for global ooc to find groups and sell items?

[Dullah]

tells and forums work

[BigTB]

nope, the fact we are even debating this is redonk.

server health flew with addition of global ooc

its the only thing that has kept pop going.

taking it away during our best chance for server growth? so. fucking. dum.

ban for racism/vulgarity? sure
(give warnings first)

but for the love of gawd leave it in.

[Zallar]

Leave OOC alone. Just keep suspending and banning the people who use racism. I'll keep reporting them.

[Shrubwise]

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff504/Iamacatdog/Macros-Reaction/Yall-postin-in-a-troll-thread.jpg

[Kevynne]

i have some bluebies who came from red b/c of the racists i would say the limit would make it better.
and if the gms care about the server they'll start banning the KKKers

[Tr0llb0rn]

i have some bluebies who came from red b/c of the racists i would say the limit would make it better.
and if the gms care about the server they'll start banning the KKKers

This is my main concern. Red99 "may" attract a higher proportion of scum then most server, but the whole "project99 classic" behind red99 also attracts decent, mature people who like EQ w/ the red twist.

Thats why ooc just cannot continue on like it has been, unmoderated and unrestricted.

Want to have a "conversation" with someone? Take it to tells, do it in guildchat, or get into their ventrillo (or get naked in skype with them for all i care).

/ooc once per min or so is way more then enough for wtb/wts, lfg, looking for port, etc.

Keep it Classic

Edit: actually /ooc once per min will HELP all the legit people useing it for legit reasons like wtb/wts, lfg, looking for port,etc. Because instead of a endless stream of nonsence and spam, /ooc will be more consise and to the point with legitimated in game messages that will get noticed, instead of drown in the KKK spam and trolltalk.

We need some sort of anti-flooding mechanisim in /ooc so all those noobs that need help/groups/wtb/wts can actually be seen and get noticed.

Its win/win all around.

[Tradesonred]

This is my main concern. Red99 "may" attract a higher proportion of scum then most server, but the whole "project99 classic" behind red99 also attracts decent, mature people who like EQ w/ the red twist.

Thats why ooc just cannot continue on like it has been, unmoderated and unrestricted.

Want to have a "conversation" with someone? Take it to tells, do it in guildchat, or get into their ventrillo (or get naked in skype with them for all i care).

/ooc once per min or so is way more then enough for wtb/wts, lfg, looking for port, etc.

Keep it Classic

Edit: actually /ooc once per min will HELP all the legit people useing it for legit reasons like wtb/wts, lfg, looking for port,etc. Because instead of a endless stream of nonsence and spam, /ooc will be more consise and to the point with legitimated in game messages that will get noticed, instead of drown in the KKK spam and trolltalk.

We need some sort of anti-flooding mechanisim in /ooc so all those noobs that need help/groups/wtb/wts can actually be seen and get noticed.

Its win/win all around.

Thats just hyperbole and exageration. I play alot these days and 97% of my time is played with no spam or racism in /ooc, just the occasional Kill fun shittalk and chitchat. This is not a problem right now.

[Lazortag]

This whole thread is just asinine. The only problem the OP identifies is that the GM's don't enforce anti-spamming/anti-vulgarity rules for global ooc. If that's true (and somehow I doubt it) then the thread shouldn't be about limiting the use of OOC to once per minute, it should be about the GM's doing their job. If you think they aren't doing their job, prove it (screenshot people violating the rules, with timestamps, then show them still being allowed to use ooc at a later date, again with timestamps). Limiting it to once every minute isn't fair for the people who use OOC legitimately - I don't want to have to tab out to IRC every time I want to have a harmless conversation with someone.

[heartbrand]

This is my main concern. Red99 "may" attract a higher proportion of scum then most server, but the whole "project99 classic" behind red99 also attracts decent, mature people who like EQ w/ the red twist.

Thats why ooc just cannot continue on like it has been, unmoderated and unrestricted.

Want to have a "conversation" with someone? Take it to tells, do it in guildchat, or get into their ventrillo (or get naked in skype with them for all i care).

/ooc once per min or so is way more then enough for wtb/wts, lfg, looking for port, etc.

Keep it Classic

Edit: actually /ooc once per min will HELP all the legit people useing it for legit reasons like wtb/wts, lfg, looking for port,etc. Because instead of a endless stream of nonsence and spam, /ooc will be more consise and to the point with legitimated in game messages that will get noticed, instead of drown in the KKK spam and trolltalk.

We need some sort of anti-flooding mechanisim in /ooc so all those noobs that need help/groups/wtb/wts can actually be seen and get noticed.

Its win/win all around.

Tehruoh and Malevz caught yet again using racial and anti-semetic slurs in global ooc and spamming it in general. Will Nihilum take the higher road and lead by example on this server by removing these members filled with hate and prejudice from their guild? Waiting eagerly to see how Nihilum acts. (P.S. Troriste has already said he endorses the racial and anti-semetic slurs in global ooc)

[Dullah]

Thats just hyperbole and exageration. I play alot these days and 97% of my time is played with no spam or racism in /ooc, just the occasional Kill fun shittalk and chitchat. This is not a problem right now.

97% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[SamwiseBanned]

This whole thread is just asinine. The only problem the OP identifies is that the GM's don't enforce anti-spamming/anti-vulgarity rules for global ooc. If that's true (and somehow I doubt it) then the thread shouldn't be about limiting the use of OOC to once per minute, it should be about the GM's doing their job. If you think they aren't doing their job, prove it (screenshot people violating the rules, with timestamps, then show them still being allowed to use ooc at a later date, again with timestamps). Limiting it to once every minute isn't fair for the people who use OOC legitimately - I don't want to have to tab out to IRC every time I want to have a harmless conversation with someone.

http://i.imgur.com/1jBRD.jpg

[Tradesonred]

97% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Keep on trucking/trolling, my point is still valid, the vast majority of the last week ive been playing EQ nonstop and 3 hours of spam / racism for 97 hours of no trouble is probably off by 1 or 2 hours

[Labanen]

server health flew with addition of global ooc

its the only thing that has kept pop going.
nah, it was implemented when server pop was around 30 at off peak hours. population dropped to 3-7 online at off hours.

Then came Kubark rumours, and population rose a bit, then came kumark confirmation and pop exploded to the point where its almost healthy now.

Imho it had nothing to do with global OOC... neither the drop in population following its release or the massive increase in population we just saw. People was bored with classic.

Now there is even two guilds and pvp happens occationally, so i predict a further increase in pop until people get bored of their iksar alts and pop starts to drop again 5-7 months into kufark... and it will have nothing to do with global OOC again.

I voted keep it with restrictions... but i doubt it ll change and its not a huge deal to me.

[Lazortag]

http://i.imgur.com/1jBRD.jpg

That could still happen if ooc use was restricted to once per minute. But for the record, yeah I think that's totally inappropriate and he should at least be warned.

[Nirgon]

Step 1: Fix game breaking root/stun/blind resists to make them more in line with classic. Elemental / direct damage types don't seem horribly out of line like the above.
Step 2: Suspend for first infraction of racism / threats, ban (literally) for any next infractions esp in public channels.
Step 3: Hope Kunark is enough, don't grief off newcomers.

[heartbrand]

That could still happen if ooc use was restricted to once per minute. But for the record, yeah I think that's totally inappropriate and he should at least be warned.

He did a lot worse than that over the last week as well but you can only take so many screenshots and report them before you just throw your hands up and shrug it off. I don't care about OOC because I can use ignore, I just find it fascinating that the guild espousing this crusade against OOC is the biggest offender of racial and religious slurs as well as spam. I really dislike the holier-than-thou type personality and a few of the nihilum forum warriors here seem to espouse that view.

[Nirgon]

New group starts and "what really goes on" rears its ugly head once again.

There's no mystery anymore of what to do to get things rolling here. Kubark might be a last hope to start the fire again. See my above comments.

[tehruoh]

heartbrand i am holier than thou your people killed jesus

shut yer mouth and stop crying.

[Tradesonred]

heartbrand i am holier than thou your people killed jesus

shut yer mouth and stop crying.

This isnt rant and flames... or whitepower.net

[BigTB]

heartbrand i am holier than thou your people killed jesus

shut yer mouth and stop crying.

lol fat biggot keeps posting

[BigTB]

nope, the fact we are even debating this is redonk.

server health flew with addition of global ooc

its the only thing that has kept pop going.

taking it away during our best chance for server growth? so. fucking. dum.

ban for racism/vulgarity? sure
(give warnings first)

but for the love of gawd leave it in.

[tehruoh]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4q07hAV7E1rnfdl2.gif

[Swampfeet]

http://6.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vbWVkaWEudHVtYmxyLmNvbS90dW1ibHJfbTRxMDdoQVY3RT FybmZkbDIuZ2lm

[Beastro]

Fuck I know from VZTZ how much shit litters /occ, but I never turned it off let alone wished it to be removed.

Really. If /ooc on here is as bad as it was on that server then I know the kind of filth being said, but why the fuck would get rid of it.

Ignore it. Put it in its own chat box or turn it a colour that blends in well with background so that it doesn't stand out to be unconsciously read.

People demanding its removal are as much griefers as those who use it to grief.

[Akim]

People demanding its removal are as much griefers as those who use it to grief.

[Beastro]

People demanding its removal are as much griefers as those who use it to grief.

Global ooc has it's uses.

Just ignore it when you don't need it.

[BigTB]

This is what the server will turn into without global ooc

(found this in blue forums, drunk and medding)

I stopped playing around 2005 or 2006 and really liked the planes of knowledge for how simple it made moving around. But at that point in EQ I was not playing with other players. From 1999 to around 2002 I was really active on the Karana sever and the Nameless but never to high of level. I always enjoyed the right of passage it was for my characters to go to places like the oasis and find groups.

But my later on experiences with EQ changed with more content. I remember when Velious came out and the old world and Kunark just died off. And then by the times of the planes the old world was empty except for people factioning or working on epics.

My last few years in EQ my friends and I stayed pretty low level and stayed in lower guk pretty much exclusively. We were bound at the pots in TD and could use those to get to gfay to click the PoK book. I remember buying some clarity potions but it was all about getting KEI and awesome shaman buffs that would last hours.

My highest character was a 55 troll shaman that I didnt level past that just so I could farm AAs in lower guk. Sounds stupid I know but it was fun. My friends where a cleric, a shadow knight, and a monk.

When we would LAN we would set these characters up at some loot spawns. I remember using the Shaman to kill some gnome on the moon behind a locked door. The gnome dropped some boots that sold for like 300 plat. So the shaman would sit in the locked room and kill the gnome, bear form allowed the shaman to pop its head partly out the door. The cleric would then take the boots and sell them. The monk we would stock up with dispell stones and have him solo the efferti in sol b. Then the shadow knight would usually solo some named giant in velious, I don't remember the zone name but it was a huge tower and the shadow knight could single pull him to the bottom.

We would get these guys in their place and then use other computers to play something like Quake or Counterstrike. Maybe just play the Dreamcast or just get drunk and watch the Ali G HBO show.

The end of Everquest came when it just lost its fun. When you can no longer kill the same pixels over and over. And that is what I like and p99. I can kill the same pixels over and over again.

Like how some people replay Chrono Trigger or whatever game, over and over again. Playing p99 is like a trip in the way back machine that is something special.

[bamzal]

that story brought tears to my eyes