Great Time To Join This Server! Play R99 NOW!

[Durk]

Please consider the following reasons to join the Red side:

1)EXP Bonus! Much faster then Blue! 1 - 50 in less time!

2)PVP action! Although low population pvp action happens often!

3)Less trolls then forum! In game many nice people! Free gear and power levels are very common!

4) Completely untapped Kunark coming soon! (Aug. 17th) A GM event will take place the day of server release! Items will be rewarded so start leveling your toon now!

5) Global /ooc after level 10!

P.S) You don't have to poopsock for raid targets, COME JOIN THE FIGHT FOR YOUR DESTINY!

[Tr0llb0rn]

great post, good to see some positive messages comming out

And I agree, its a great server. The table is set with fine food. All you have to do is open wide and say ahhhhhhhh

[Advisor]

You should post this in the blue Forum to intice Angry Poopsockin Raiders to come fight for their chance to engage a boss mob!

[mindsculptor]

I would argue with point (1) that it is more than slightly faster. I believe xp is at least double here what it is on blue.

[Durk]

Okay advisor i will right now! Thanks for the idea dude

[Durk]

Do we know the exact % bonus for exp? It personally feels really good. Not too fast but also not too slow.

[Advisor]

It's really fast, I have no idea, the boost should be on the MOTD, I think it's Double XP


Mention in the thread that "You don't have to poopsock for raid targets, COME JOIN THE FIGHT FOR YOUR DESTINY!"

[Dullah]

Be sure to add completely untapped Kunark incoming soon.

The thought of prenerf kunark items is sure to get some of them drooling.

[Durk]

Okay Dullah thanks for your input, i updated the list accordingly. Keep posting ideas to update the list and ill post it around the interwebz.

[Znif]

completely untapped kithicor forest recently opened! :D

[Dullah]

lol

I'm wondering how long that thread will last there. Its sure to bring the scorn of some.

[Durk]

It will last for a while! As long as we reply to each post in a positive way and not feed the trolls!

[Durk]

Server population at 54! Highest i seen in the past week!

[Graahle]

Server population at 54! Highest i seen in the past week!

Add one more to the fray in a little bit! Been enjoying the server a lot myself.

/tell Graahle in-game for some low level grouping!

[PhantomRogue]

Please consider the following reasons to join the Red side:

1)EXP Bonus! Much faster then Blue! 1 - 50 in less time!

2)PVP action! Although low population pvp action happens often!

3)Less trolls then forum! In game many nice people! Free gear and power levels are very common!

4)We need you! If this server had an average of 100 then it would thrive even more then now!

5) Completely untapped Kunark coming soon!*

6) Global /ooc after level 10!

P.S) You don't have to poopsock for raid targets, COME JOIN THE FIGHT FOR YOUR DESTINY!

Ooo k. Where to start.

1. EXP Bonus yes. But still not enough when the population is 30. And groups are non-existant.

2. I haven't seen PvP in months. And my characters sat non anon. There is ZERO PVP because there is a population of 30 people, when a bulk of that population is in the same guild.

3. Meh, ill give ya this one, but its not really a plus, its just that they don't want to play on a broken server.

4. Yes. But WE NEED YOU, shouldn't matter if all your other points were valid. Counter Productive to your argument.

5. Who cares if its "untapped" far as I know, no expansion is tapped before release. Only the blue's who whine about content come back for this. They will play, get bored and quit again.

6. First good point.

PS. There is nothing else to do besides poopsock dragon loot, then RMT it.

[Swampfeet]

From another thread:


I don't like you Phantom Rogue.

You bitch on the forums, you bitch in-game, never appreciative of shit.

Fuck off and go play LoZ.

[Swampfeet]

Also yeah TONS of RMT on a fucking 40 person server HUGE market I'm sure.

You're a moron bro, time to put it to rest.

[Dullah]

Its untapped, as opposed to the current kunark on blue. Its a comparison, you dolt.

Another feature I'd add to the thread would be the fact that raid mob timers have no variance.

[heartbrand]

The only morons are the people who think that fighting for changes to improve this server so that it can reach a sustainable pop for a PVP server is "complaining." some of you are probably the same people that say criticizing the president is unpatriotic and returning your poorly cooked food is "rude." it's one thing to say omg red ded lul lul it's another to provide room for improvement so that 50 concurrent users isn't considered praiseworthy.

[Xantille]

Good luck R99 friends.

[mindsculptor]

The only morons are the people who think that fighting for changes to improve this server so that it can reach a sustainable pop for a PVP server is "complaining." some of you are probably the same people that say criticizing the president is unpatriotic and returning your poorly cooked food is "rude." it's one thing to say omg red ded lul lul it's another to provide room for improvement so that 50 concurrent users isn't considered praiseworthy.

I don't see you making many suggestions, but I see you saying this server is doomed alot.

[Tr0llb0rn]

I don't see you making many suggestions, but I see you saying this server is doomed alot.

True. I only ever see negativity out of Heartbrand. Kinda like he....wants the server to fail?

Just because you could not be #1? I dunno, sounds kinda petty man. Its just a game, someone has to lose, thats what makes it a competitive game.

[heartbrand]

1) hot zones. great way rather than across the board exp boosts to funnel players to zones so that the server feels less empty and there's more PVP as well as groups. Rotating hot zones every day like loz would be great.

2) classic resists. self explanatory

3) either disable anon above a certain level or allow people to who all zones to encourage PVP

4) remove exp loss and add yellow text / scoreboard. Pvpers get their epeen has no impact on pve epeen win-win

5) remove shared exp penalty on groups to encourage grouping

6) 2-boxing. It's classic, it allows you to accomplish things when other people aren't on, let's you get groups going easier when you're just missing that tank healer porter CC w/e, allows smaller guilds to raid content they were unable to prior which gives more people access to content and allows for ability to contest where there was no ability prior, discourages zergs, ez yt on afk Druid bots ;)

[Tr0llb0rn]

1) hot zones. great way rather than across the board exp boosts to funnel players to zones so that the server feels less empty and there's more PVP as well as groups. Rotating hot zones every day like loz would be great.

2) classic resists. self explanatory

3) either disable anon above a certain level or allow people to who all zones to encourage PVP

4) remove exp loss and add yellow text / scoreboard. Pvpers get their epeen has no impact on pve epeen win-win

5) remove shared exp penalty on groups to encourage grouping

6) 2-boxing. It's classic, it allows you to accomplish things when other people aren't on, let's you get groups going easier when you're just missing that tank healer porter CC w/e, allows smaller guilds to raid content they were unable to prior which gives more people access to content and allows for ability to contest where there was no ability prior, discourages zergs, ez yt on afk Druid bots ;)

wow, you just described ez69/LoZ to a tee. So you are playing there right? Its thriving there ...right?

What? your not playing there? But.. it has everything on your list. I dont understand....

[heartbrand]

Loz doesn't have classic resists, has an exp bonus that is too high, has exp penalties though they dont matter since exp is too high. Also terribly flawed logic besides those differences since loz is not a classic server but a completely custom server.

[Zereh]

LoZ is not classic enough yet R99 needs numerous changes to make it less classic ...

[Sirken]

may as well post it in this one too....


server wont go from 50 to 300 over night.

50 becomes 54 becomes 59 becomes 63.... eventually 300 or 0. lately the population is rising slowly but surely, and i just got off the walky talky with Nilbog and he has some big fun stuff in the works ;)

so the People that are playing on R99 are really going to be in for a treat ;)

[Dullah]

Looking forward to it.

Thanks for all of your help and work, as well as that of the rest of the staff.

[Sirken]

dont thank me, thank Nilbog and Rogean and the dev/coding guys. they are the true silent heros ;)

[Dullah]

Everyone loves the bringer of good tidings, but seriously, thanks go out to all of you staffers.

[CHusk2]

I'd love to raid the older bosses like Vox & Nagafen, is there a guild I could join on red to make that happen once I hit 40+?

[Dullah]

Vae Victus is going strong. They had over 20 players on last night. I think its their main objective at the present.

Depending on what GMs have in store, the population may rise soon and there may be a couple more guilds on the scene.

[heartbrand]

I'd love to raid the older bosses like Vox & Nagafen, is there a guild I could join on red to make that happen once I hit 40+?

And this my friends is why this sever is not appealing to a large number of us. Too many lebrons seeking to chase rings (pve victories) and not enough Jordan's looking for competition (PVP battles). It's players like this guy who will be geared and leveled by the small market teams only to jump in free agency to nihilum. That's personally the main thing holding me back. Do I really want to invest time into one of these guilds like vae victus, help PL them give them gear etc to see them one by one jump ship? Rushmore, full of faith and excitement in this server, ultimately was converted to this truth as he saw all the work and time he put into these people down the crapper as they jumped ship for the quick ez pve fix.

[Dullah]

Ya, God forbid someone playing EQ wants to actually play EQ. The server says pvp, so all content should be thrown out and it should definitely be Counterstrike with elves and swords amirite?

Go play LoZ. You were made for each other.

[heartbrand]

Is the nba exciting when only one team dominates the league? The lakers owned the early 2000s but yet ratings were at their lowest. People want to see great competitive games. The Knicks bulls rivalry of the 90s. It's no different here. You kill the server by crushing the morale of the rushmores of this sever.

[Dullah]

Big hb still traumatized and "crushed" from his back-to-back, double-header guild defeat on R99. Do not despair new guys, hopefully the next group of players to join the server will have enough backbone (and knowledge of the game) to lose a few, and yet still be able to coordinate a mere 18 people (what we have raided with for months) and actually take down some raid targets.

[heartbrand]

They won't because this server in its present form caters to bluebies looking for quick satisfaction who aren't willing to build something long term. This could all change with whatever these announcements are that are coming such as hard code teams or yt / leaderboard.

[PhantomRogue]

They won't because this server in its present form caters to bluebies looking for quick satisfaction who aren't willing to build something long term. This could all change with whatever these announcements are that are coming such as hard code teams or yt / leaderboard.

Hard Coded teams...

Yellow Text...

Color me excited!

[Tr0llb0rn]

They won't because this server in its present form caters to bluebies looking for quick satisfaction who aren't willing to build something long term. This could all change with whatever these announcements are that are coming such as hard code teams or yt / leaderboard.

Says the person who guild hopped more then the easter bunny and left his multiple guild's meeles LFG in Freeport while he farmed lowerguk for pixels for months on end. (and then wonder and cried why they all left his (multiple) guilds for more teamwork oriented guilds).

Please just go play LoZ, leave red99 for the classc red legit EQ fans.

Its very obvious that you are going into a frenzy because server is picking up, GMs invloved, big things around the corner, kubark. This stuff makes u mad.

New people, ignore certain forum trolls that only seek to destroy the servers community because they are very VERY bitter at loseing the #1 guild spot they very desperatly craved.

[Zereh]

They won't because this server in its present form caters to bluebies looking for quick satisfaction who aren't willing to build something long term. This could all change with whatever these announcements are that are coming such as hard code teams or yt / leaderboard.

This is just laughable on so many levels; griefing = the epitome of quick satisfaction. It's no coincidence that the people who embraced that kind of thinking and play style are no longer around.

[Dullah]

Phantomrogue smitten. Justice prevails.

All these trolls should be banned until after kunark arrives, if not permanently.

[mitic]

may as well post it in this one too....


server wont go from 50 to 300 over night.

50 becomes 54 becomes 59 becomes 63.... eventually 300 or 0. lately the population is rising slowly but surely, and i just got off the walky talky with Nilbog and he has some big fun stuff in the works ;)

so the People that are playing on R99 are really going to be in for a treat ;)

sirken, youve been gm in vztz. you know how the server rules should look like. kunark release is nilbogs/rogeans chance to do it right. if it stays as it is, it will be all the same as it is now after 2 weeks

[Sirken]

Mitic, ive been a GM on this staff for like 10days. Rogean and Nilbog are always open to ideas that are presented in a civilized manner. and of course, i will always be willing to bring player suggestions to the rest of the staff.

everyone on staff, including myself, wants R99 to be successful. the staff has been tossing many ideas around lately, and i believe this upcoming event will be the first of many good implementations to come.

<3
Sirks

[mitic]

right on

[Durk]

Hey Sirks,

I'm glad to know your a part of the GM staff. It was cool seeing you in Unrest last night! Also its good to know everyone on the staff wants R99 to be successful.

[nilbog]

Hard Coded teams...

Yellow Text...

Color me excited!

Teams would be cool. Like 2 teams, not 5. But, at this stage in the server, is it really an option? I mean guilds are made and players are in them.

I'm a fan of item loot, teams, and all sorts of things.

Yellow text? I'm indifferent really. I don't consider it necessary, but as a tournament UT player, it's not completely bad. If it was added, I don't think zone names should be mentioned. Are the majority of people wanting it due to pvp spam, or for zone info?

[Durk]

Nilblog,

I agree with you on the point that zone names should be excluded. If people want to know the specifics they are always welcome to use /ooc. Or you can /tell one of the people involved in the fight. Either way it helps communication between people and i think that should always be a top priority in EQ.

[mitic]

yellow text is a must for pvp. every passive (and entertaining) feature helps. pvp is all about drama after all

[Cars]

A server with this kind of population divided into 4 teams would be a nightmare though, just limits grouping even further for classes that have a tough enough go as it is.

[Dullah]

If the server has enough people, and divided up to anti versus pk (like live), teams always form naturally. You have alliances form based on their politics, and your teams basically become those guilds and alliances.

The whole 'everyone is fighting everyone' thing kills servers. Too many people are playing here like its just a fast paced, progression, disposable pvp box. If a real sense of community was ever established...

Good to see you around Nilbog. Thanks for all the work. Would be nice if we could find a few other features that might work on R99 and please the masses.

[SamwiseBanned]

Hard coded teams would be impossible at this point, its more of a what if fantasy. As far as YT, it was the one thing I took away from LoZ that I liked. Just seeing the YT caused some lols. Why not enable YT the next 2 weeks before Kunark to see how it goes. Oh and keep zone name, it completes the story and the lol of the killing.

[nilbog]

Are the majority of people wanting it [yellow text] due to pvp spam, or for zone info?

[heartbrand]

This thread has made me more optimistic about this server. Good to see options are being considered, even though it's semi bitter sweet that it's happening this late (hey I can't be all positive :p ). What's the anti nihilum guild now adays? Are there 50s not in nihilum looking to level up on kunark release?

[SamwiseBanned]

both. nothing says pvp server is thriving than a healthy dose of YT.

[heartbrand]

For me it's both. The epeen factor that creates the drama we pvpers love to go on about as well as the zone info which let's people know a fights going down and often brings more people to the action.

[Dullah]

I think its mostly an incentive for bragging rights, but it also lets you know where the action is.

[SamwiseBanned]

This thread has made me more optimistic about this server. Good to see options are being considered, even though it's semi bitter sweet that it's happening this late (hey I can't be all positive :p ). What's the anti nihilum guild now adays? Are there 50s not in nihilum looking to level up on kunark release?

really depends, active wise there are at least 10+ 50s and more 46+ that arent tagged Nilly however i can think of 2 guilds full of 50s that mite come back. If even half the former players come back, gonna be some real competition.

[SamwiseBanned]

I think its mostly an incentive for bragging rights, but it also lets you know where the action is.

and just lets people know pvping is happening on a pvp server but basically this.

[mitic]

yellow text is a no brainer. just implement it and see the server growing. leaderboard would be the next step afterwards.

do it right nilbog!

[Zereh]

YT would help eliminate some of the blatant lying about what really happens in PvP, especially on the forums. So for that reason alone I think it's worth a shot. As for the zone being part of the message, it doesn't matter one way or the other. Besides, nothing is permanent, right?! you can always change or remove it if it causes problems.

[mitic]

you can always change or remove it if it causes problems.

there is not one negative aspect with yellow text that would cause "problems". quite the contrary.

[Tr0llb0rn]

YT would help eliminate some of the blatant lying about what really happens in PvP, especially on the forums. So for that reason alone I think it's worth a shot. As for the zone being part of the message, it doesn't matter one way or the other. Besides, nothing is permanent, right?! you can always change or remove it if it causes problems.

I'm of this mind now too.

Except showing what zone it is in is not nessessary, let the players communicate with each other for that info.

Put in YT, but dont give zone. Its easy enough for players to find out, and anything and everything that encourages player interaction and communication should be encouraged.

Leaderboards: no
Teams: way too late and way too small a pop for that, we have a good enough "good vs evil" / "griefer vs anti-griefer" going on already anyways.

[mitic]

Leaderboards: no


nilbog always wanted to stay as close as possible to original live eq and you know what, there was a leaderboard on sullon zek.

the more incentives are given, the more people come. yea, people can abuse the system but for this we have our gm-staff. just ban them once and they wont do it again.

[Advisor]

Teams would be cool. Like 2 teams, not 5. But, at this stage in the server, is it really an option? I mean guilds are made and players are in them.

I'm a fan of item loot, teams, and all sorts of things.

Yellow text? I'm indifferent really. I don't consider it necessary, but as a tournament UT player, it's not completely bad. If it was added, I don't think zone names should be mentioned. Are the majority of people wanting it due to pvp spam, or for zone info?

Item loot would be great, if XP loss was removed...

It would make PVP fun, more dangerous, but not revoking time spent into exping.


Yellow Text is great, might be dangerous with Item loot...

I wouldn't mind trying Yellow Text and seeing how the trolls take to it.

Leaderboards would be awesome to attract people to the fun that is PVP... Leaderboards are very much classic.

[Dullah]

Lol @ "we pvpers".. shit almost made me pee a little sorry.

Back on topic.

You could always have YT without disclosing the location. Theres several ways it could be done.

Aside from YT, the other highly proposed feature was hot zones which give some sort of bonus and would encourage battling over zone control.

[Nizzarr]

Item loot is bad. Will ruin this server.

Yellow text is good. Can only help this server.

Team would need a new server, splitting population.

[Dullah]

That or you'd have to install some sort of feature like the "face changer" where everyone would have a one time edit to their race. Teams just doesn't make sense. People complain about not enough pvp, but immediately you're losing 50% of the potential pvp. Besides, I like to reserve the right to kill people of all races, esp mellowyellow.

[mitic]

vztz golden time started when item loot was taken out back the day, so no item loot pls

[Dhamp]

Item loot is bad. Will ruin this server.

Yellow text is good. Can only help this server.

Team would need a new server, splitting population.

Item loot will rid the server of RMT, i know how this might hinder your business.

Item loot would totally kill RMT, and i think it would be very very very healthy for the server

[Advisor]

OK so NO on item loot lol..

I'm From Rallos Zek, so I'm pretty pro at bagging items ;)

[SamwiseBanned]

leaderboard can make things screwy, people farming kills, bind camping ect. I think YT is more than enough.

[Tr0llb0rn]

leaderboard can make things screwy, people farming kills, bind camping ect. I think YT is more than enough.

I agree

[Dhamp]

leadersboard should be for tournament fights not avg kills like loz. loz approached the leadersboard completely wrong. Item loot is crucial it kills RMT, does nobody agree with me?

[Zereh]

there is not one negative aspect with yellow text that would cause "problems". quite the contrary.

There must be at least one negative aspect with it since a conscious decision was made not to put in at launch time. =)

We all know who the griefers are with or without the yellow text. I think it's a good idea to expose them fully and let the server deal with them as they may. And it will be such poetic justice to see those with the biggest mouths on the forums prove themselves to be the least significant in-game.

[Takyn]

OK so NO on item loot lol..

I'm From Rallos Zek, so I'm pretty pro at bagging items ;)
Pro baggers were the noobs getting farmed by people like me

[Swampfeet]

Can't wait to see all the "Quitting for good" people coming back for Kunark.

Looks like Dullah was right all along lol

[heartbrand]

Can't wait to see all the "Quitting for good" people coming back for Kunark.

Looks like Dullah was right all along lol

Did any of you people graduate from college or take any sort of logic course? A couple of people in this thread were interested in returning because of possible gameplay changes such as yellow text and hot zones, not because of kunark. It's sad that you guys also have the right to vote.

[Ordaga]

Item loot will rid the server of RMT, i know how this might hinder your business.

Item loot would totally kill RMT, and i think it would be very very very healthy for the server

would only encourage it more, not that I'm against item loot, it would only fuel the players who want to pk and rmt the loot right back to people who lost it not the success story your looking for

[Dullah]

Hold the phone guys. This is where big fartbrand schools you in conclusory arguments even though the conclusions have been derived from evidence present all around us that only he lacks the reading comprehension to understand.

[heartbrand]

Oh I must have missed the quotes from primary sources, screenshots, vent recordings, first hand accounts (destin wasn't there during the time in question), heck even second hand accounts. Can you toss me a link to it please?

[Dullah]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php

[Tr0llb0rn]

Can't wait to see all the "Quitting for good" people coming back for Kunark.

Looks like Dullah was right all along lol

yep, of course several of us predicted just this.

You can already see Heartbrand backpeddling and repositioning now that his personal "burn it down" campaign failed.

[Dullah]

So much anger around here clouding up the kubark heralding party.

[heartbrand]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php

Usually when you try to counter someones facts you have to you know actually use some competing facts of your own. Simply stating lol u wrong and then telling others to do your research for you is lolworthy. Also what should we be searching? That nihilum didn't exploit contrary to the op post? But that seems to contradict Amelindas quote in my sig, rogeans post, screenshots, logs, vent recordings etc. I'm so confused what should I be searching?

Would you if representing your client in court say as his defense "lol prosecution wrong on all counts go do some discovery lol"?

[heartbrand]

yep, of course several of us predicted just this.

You can already see Heartbrand backpeddling and repositioning now that his personal "burn it down" campaign failed.

Please link to where I said "burn it down" and "I don't want this server to succeed." thanks I'll toss you $25 for each link

[Dullah]

The fact that you're in here day in and day out pooping up our kubark party spamming us with your notes from your highschool debate team or something you ripped from the preface of a book you found in the library speaks volumes about your intentions.

You lost dude. Get over it. You lost in game, you lost on the forums. People in all 3 of your guilds think you're a joke.

Just move on. Its time to let the recovery process begin.

[heartbrand]

Cool that was a very well constructed response that cleared up all those issues. Oh wait you just got forum PKed yet again.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Heartbran , please move on to wow or ez69 or whatever.

Let Go.

Let the Healing begin.

[heartbrand]

Too much fun here to be had disproving your poorly crafted lies and fables.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Because we all know you are a total failure in game.

(I dont want to be cruel, but ...... we only reply to you here out of pity, so you have a sense of something...anything...)

[Zereh]

Please link to where I said "burn it down" and "I don't want this server to succeed." thanks I'll toss you $25 for each link

While you might not have used those exact words your incessant pessimism, server bashing, dev hating, player griefing and in general throwing everyone and everything under the bus say it for you.

[heartbrand]

Oh cool sounds like lots of examples mind linking some?

[Dullah]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=1549379

[SamwiseBanned]

Item loot is bad. Will ruin this server.

Yellow text is good. Can only help this server.

Team would need a new server, splitting population.

griefing to an all new level with item loot. ask anyone from rz who lost something precious because they couldnt bag quick enough. so ya no on item loot. in all honestly i would take a teams server over anything but ya would have to be a new server so im just burying that idea. YT is good.

[Zallar]

I've never played on a server with YT but I like the idea without zone mentions. The zones can be revealed in OOC if desired. I think it adds drama and liven's up the community.

No to item loot.

I always enjoyed playing on the teams server. It added spice. I don't have any idea how you would implement it mid-stream. How hard would it be to give people a one time option to change races? I guess any faction work would be zero'd out and they would start with the base faction of the new race.

[Tradesonred]

Dont see a reason why YT with no location shouldnt be put in if thats going to make some people happy. For me its not a reason to play or not to play on the server, although if it had YT without revealing location i would like this better.

[Amuk]

WTB Competent guilds to step up in Kunark, will return and poopsock to 60 if there's some good mass pvp going down.

If it's Nihilum 40 mannen raids on a 90 pop server then loggen off and having a ghost town afterwards will not be acceptable to my standards.

[mourning]

Many guilds must be formed.. It seems nihilum is house lannister.... where are our starks and greyjoys, baratheons???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

[Znif]

Many guilds must be formed.. It seems nihilum is house lannister.... where are our starks and greyjoys, baratheons???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

starks gotta be flowers because they are most honorable in their convictions....vae victis is the dothraki horde

[Tr0llb0rn]

Many guilds must be formed.. It seems nihilum is house lannister.... where are our starks and greyjoys, baratheons???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

WRONG:

Nihilum is the Nights Watch, keeping all you evil zerglings at bay for the good of the realm.

(I'm wise Maester Aemon in this scenario btw, of course)

[Rogean]

We might add in some stat tracking for a possible leaderboard in the future.

As far as YT is concerned.. what do you guys think about an auto-refreshing/updating delayed log on the website of kills, as a solution for YT?

These are both ideas we are discussing internally.

[Akim]

We might add in some stat tracking for a possible leaderboard in the future.

As far as YT is concerned.. what do you guys think about an auto-refreshing/updating delayed log on the website of kills, as a solution for YT?

These are both ideas we are discussing internally.

Yes. !

[Akim]

Many guilds must be formed.. It seems nihilum is house lannister.... where are our starks and greyjoys, baratheons???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

top 5%

[heartbrand]

delayed log seems to me to defeat one of the key 2 purposes of YT which is to alert people of a rumble in the jungle and enhance the action.

[Zereh]

Why does YT need a solution? I'm not being facetious ~ I missed the original discussions as to why it was not implemented. Search is not my friend; I still haven't found the official word as to why it wasn't in from the get-go.

[Tr0llb0rn]

We might add in some stat tracking for a possible leaderboard in the future.

As far as YT is concerned.. what do you guys think about an auto-refreshing/updating delayed log on the website of kills, as a solution for YT?

These are both ideas we are discussing internally.

I was always against YT, but these days I would not care of a simple "so and so killed so and so (without the zone loc)" was broadcast. Just make sure a min. level is needed to activate this broadcast (like global ooc now) so we dont have the advertisement syndrome of people making vulgar mule names to slay and broadcast.

I think what people want is a kind of real time broadcast to entertain them some while gridnign or roving or whatever. Something to start smack talk and chatter.

[Dacuk]

For me YT serves two purposes: Recognition and where I need to find a port to in order to join the pvp. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but it seems the vocal ppl against YT haven't actually played with it before. Why don't we give it a shot as its supposed to be as a trial (month maybe?), instantaneous and with zone info, and if its a negative for the server or leads to briefing, it can be changed.

Its definitely great for the casual pvper that doesn't have time to poopsock and wants to find pvp quickly.

[Rogean]

Well for one it takes the strategy out of anything if the server instantly knows where people are when they die. What's the point of /anon?

Most of the people want it for recognition I would think, which a delayed log would still accomplish.

[BigSlip]

Rogean, do you really think that?

It allows the server to see where 2 people, now one more than likely, are fighting.


Thats a little bit different than the whole server being un anonymous. That was a pretty dense statement.

[Nizzarr]

I think it should broadcast remaining HP, mana and current location as well.


no really, just make it: Soandso(guild) has killed Soandso(guild). anything over level 20?

Ooc will fire up anyway and theyll know where it is.


If you do add a delayed leaderboard or a kill tally, then you can add time and location of it. It doesnt really matters then.

[Rogean]

Let's do this... someone list out the primary reasons (with detail) of why they want YT.

[BigSlip]

delayed log seems to me to defeat one of the key 2 purposes of YT which is to alert people of a rumble in the jungle and enhance the action.

Let's do this... someone list out the primary reasons (with detail) of why they want YT.

Heartbrand hit the nail on the head. How about you ask wgy people DONT want it?


I cant think of one damn reason.

[heartbrand]

Well for one it takes the strategy out of anything if the server instantly knows where people are when they die. What's the point of /anon?

Most of the people want it for recognition I would think, which a delayed log would still accomplish.

More PVP is a good thing on a server desperately in need of PVP.

[Rogean]

For leaderboard purposes: How should kills be tracked? Anyone involved/assists gets kills+1? Deathblows would leave tanks and healers at a disadvantage I'd think.

[heartbrand]

Reasons I Want YT

1) Makes the server feel more alive. Seeing YT shows you that hey, things are actually going on, the server isn't some boring grind fest of a graveyard.

2) bragging rights

3) cuts down on forum spam and the whole "i keeled u 10x" "no u didnt lier lulz" bs cuz YT is pretty indisputable

4) talking points in OOC that again give you something to do and read and laugh about when you're killing a_froglok_10000000000

5) helps prevent repetitive bind-camping

6) brings others to the scene of the YT increasing PVP

[heartbrand]

For leaderboard purposes: How should kills be tracked? Anyone involved/assists gets kills+1? Deathblows would leave tanks and healers at a disadvantage I'd think.

that sounds really cool

[BigSlip]

For leaderboard purposes: How should kills be tracked? Anyone involved/assists gets kills+1? Deathblows would leave tanks and healers at a disadvantage I'd think.

Well, thats assumed by the player of that class, that hes not going to get 100 killshots in a month. Dont spoil it for the rest of the classes. Add killshots to the leaderboard. Theres alot of stuff from LoZ thats actually not classic at all but very cool. Like after you get 5 kills it shouts that as well, and a different shout for 5 kills in a row, and it goes up to like 100. So you can see how many times people have died without even having to look on the boards. And you can see whos good and who isnt, by just looking at thier kill to death ratio. Nobody is going to laugh at a cleric w 5 kills and 20 deaths. But, someone will awe at a cleric who has 2 deaths and 20 pvp kills.

Theres ways to manipulate kill shots, like gank groups that just hunt lower chars in range and have the cleric take the killshot to look like a pimp. But those players will get recognized and laughed at themselves. So it really doesnt matter.

[heartbrand]

Just a side note, one of the only arguments I've ever heard against YT is it increases "griefing," which seems to be defined as PKing anyone and everyone. I didn't notice any more hostility from random people on LoZ than I did here on p99 back when there was actually a sizable pop playing. /shrug

[Arillious]

When Rogean is present he has decent ideas. I favor leader board over YT but don't really care either way. What I care about is a big enough population.

If Rogean is really motivated to get some things done, he should make a post himself. I looked over this thread 10 times thinking it was random_tard_01 arguing with random_tard_02 until finally reading the reference to it pages deep into the news thread.

[BigSlip]

For assists maybe give them .5 .

[Nirgon]

delayed log

Best idea, SZ had one.

YT is an emu phenomenon.

Not to mention the delayed log / leader board would generate site hits and linkable to others outside the game..

Would also keep people from running their mouth about non-existant kills, lying about skill etc... would clean up quite a bit of the forum.

Hell, see if there's a way to have it pull all the old history while you're at it. Maybe those were logged previously, maybe not.

[Rogean]

Well, thats assumed by the player of that class, that hes not going to get 100 killshots in a month. Dont spoil it for the rest of the classes. Add killshots to the leaderboard. Theres alot of stuff from LoZ thats actually not classic at all but very cool. Like after you get 5 kills it shouts that as well, and a different shout for 5 kills in a row, and it goes up to like 100. So you can see how many times people have died without even having to look on the boards. And you can see whos good and who isnt, by just looking at thier kill to death ratio. Nobody is going to laugh at a cleric w 5 kills and 20 deaths. But, someone will awe at a cleric who has 2 deaths and 20 pvp kills.


So basically what your saying is I should add quake sounds to the game?

"DOUBLE KILL"
"DOMINATING"
"RAMPAGE"
"HOLLLLYY SSHHIITTTT ITTTTT ITTTTT ITTTT"

[Rogean]

What about just seperate columns then.. one for deathblows, one for assists.

I'm thinking of having a lot of other things tracked as well.. amount of healing done on players engaged in pvp, total damage done, etc...

[Ticklemered]

So basically what your saying is I should add quake sounds to the game?

"DOUBLE KILL"
"DOMINATING"
"RAMPAGE"
"HOLLLLYY SSHHIITTTT ITTTTT ITTTTT ITTTT"

This was actually the first thing that popped into my head, cept those are unreal tournament sounds :p

[Nirgon]

I don't really think YT adds anything you can't already do. A leader board does.

Seeing you dev'ing again is a good sign for things.

[BigSlip]

So basically what your saying is I should add quake sounds to the game?

"DOUBLE KILL"
"DOMINATING"
"RAMPAGE"
"HOLLLLYY SSHHIITTTT ITTTTT ITTTTT ITTTT"

Just trying to help. Ill just not add my 2c about it since you want to be sarcastic.

[Rogean]

I don't really think YT adds anything you can't already do. A leader board does.

Seeing you dev'ing again is a good sign for things.

Don't get your hopes up yet.. Priority #1 is fixing blue's worldserver crash. It has eluded me for weeks of trying to fix it (months actually crashing). Heap corruption can go die in a fucking fire.

[Tycko]

So basically what your saying is I should add quake sounds to the game?

"DOUBLE KILL"
"DOMINATING"
"RAMPAGE"
"HOLLLLYY SSHHIITTTT ITTTTT ITTTTT ITTTT"

Sounds like you figured out what they really want, lol.

EQ/Unreal tournament/DoTA = Red99??? I don't think that is what the majority of players want. I for one don't.

[Nirgon]

corruption can go die in a fucking fire.

We need the Emperor.

Sorry to twist your words :P.

In defense of Rogean (despite my wrath for the red server history) - he did overturn a decision after listening to the player base.

Unfortunately, and not dropping too much detail wise, there just wasn't enough Rogean to go around to rectify things.

So yes, seeing you reply to 3 posts and ask people their opinion on what they'd like to see and providing you own input is a reason for the community to get its hopes up.

I hope everyone realizes its not magical code but the people who write and maintain it (and have the power to do so) as well as the community are what made this a popular community.

[Rogean]

Sounds like you figured out what they really want, lol.

EQ/Unreal tournament/DoTA = Red99??? I don't think that is what the majority of players want. I for one don't.

I still think it would be hilarious.. and oddly enough, do-able with our DLL.

[Nirgon]

Get rid of the is your body ready, implement classic /con stuff pls etc.

Item loot would be a great idea but I know who will bury us in text despite it being classic.

4 lvl range, item loot and game breaking magic resist spells resolved = possibly Kubark or at least someone for Nihilum to chase around here once in a while who I'm sure they'd like to kill very badly.

[Zereh]

I'm thinking of having a lot of other things tracked as well.. amount of healing done on players engaged in pvp, total damage done, etc...


^^^ Yes!!

[SamwiseBanned]

Nirgon I respect your opinion on item loot but you dont even play here. Why push for your vision of eq pvp when it wont even affect you, unless you comin back. In that case hai and welcome back.

[SamwiseBanned]

What about just seperate columns then.. one for deathblows, one for assists.

I'm thinking of having a lot of other things tracked as well.. amount of healing done on players engaged in pvp, total damage done, etc...

omg number of PLs and ports, Samwise gotta be in the top 3. do itt!! :) I would say kills but Ran Flamespinner KSed me at least 40 times.

[Nirgon]

Yes I'd log in for item loot.

I even logged in 2 times while everyone thought I wasn't around, I just couldn't find anyone.

Item loot gave the non raiders something they did for gain through PvP.

You keep these kinds around long enough, they will form a guild.

It happened with Darkenbane and LV on RZ. They didn't take AD's raid mobs or anything, but they had more fun than most playing.

[Rogean]

omg number of PLs and ports, Samwise gotta be in the top 3. do itt!! :) I would say kills but Ran Flamespinner KSed me at least 40 times.

PvE Kill counts are already tracked and logged.

[Nirgon]

And if you think xp loss is better for the community than item loot, look what happened to people like Citychamp :P. At least he could have been naked at his bind in peace.

[SamwiseBanned]

haha wish you counted number of plugs :) just rack up all DCs as those.

[SamwiseBanned]

PvE Kill counts are already tracked and logged.

can you post any random/interesting numbers? like mob with most kills, mob up the longest, ect? most played char (hai troriste), oldest char (who was first made), ect ect ect. I can come up with a lot :)

[Nirgon]

I believe references to hot topics is a nono around here, but I'm following another community that will have an RZ style implementation. 4 lvls, item loot.

I'd log back in here for that.

(Notice how I'm not on LoZ which doesn't have it - aka - more of the same)

[heartbrand]

lol I'd love those sounds on PVP kills especially "RRRRRAGGGGE QUIT" after a plug

[Nirgon]

Sign on the door said Classic Everquest :(

[Dullah]

Item loot and leaderboards would only serve to hurt this server.

Theres just not enough hardcore to stomach losing their gear. Period.

Leaderboards are only going to tend to a system of more chaos, less order. People will be trolling only in search of people to farm kills off of instead of actually playing EQ. I think everyone should be able to play the way they want, but encouraging people to just grief without any balance will prevent any growing sense of community. Thats the biggest thing thats been lacking on this server, and not classic.

[Nirgon]

What about just seperate columns then.. one for deathblows, one for assists.

I'm thinking of having a lot of other things tracked as well.. amount of healing done on players engaged in pvp, total damage done, etc...

You feel like doing something crazy? How about something that tries to automatically create a screen shot from a hovering camera on the kill?

I'll remind you that there's shit for good MMOs coming out except the GW2 which I think everyone would be smart waiting to see how it pans out before spending their $.

Also root + snare don't need to be landing on people with 80+ magic resist, ever.

[heartbrand]

PKing someone =/= grief

[Rogean]

mob with most kills
SELECT count(*) as num, b.name FROM `mob_encounters` a left outer join p1999pvp.npc_types b on b.id = a.npcid group by a.npcid order by num desc
24579 a_decaying_skeleton
18680 a_rock_spiderling
12135 a_dwarf_skeleton
11546 a_black_bear
11252 a_moss_snake
10670 a_large_rat
10375 a_goblin_whelp
10293 a_large_spider
10249 a_decaying_skeleton
10003 a_dwarf_skeleton
9745 a_fire_beetle
9644 a_bat
9618 a_shadow_wolf
9447 a_fire_beetle
8428 an_aqua_goblin
7910 a_young_water_moccasin
7673 a_spiderling
7352 a_decaying_skeleton
6981 a_decaying_skeleton
6964 a_froglok_tad
6891 a_kobold_runt
6798 a_fire_beetle
6578 a_skeleton
6493 a_decaying_skeleton
6158 a_shadow_wolf
5530 a_black_wolf
5506 a_snake
5483 a_decaying_skeleton
5476 a_brown_bear
5426 a_worker_scarab

mob up the longest
SELECT (a.deathts - a.spawntime) as timelived, b.name FROM `mob_encounters` a left outer join p1999pvp.npc_types b on b.id = a.npcid group by a.npcid order by timelived desc
3701804 a_muddite_elder
3697137 Guard_Orpheen
3676311 a_highwayman
3676233 a_bandit
3675673 a_highwayman
3670644 a_bandit
3668945 a_bandit
3657692 goblin_warrior
3657683 goblin_warrior
3629362 a_giant_rattlesnake
3621887 Guard_Bolton
3582834 a_Rosch_Mas_Gnoll
3582017 a_Rosch_Val_gnoll
3581760 a_skeleton
3581679 a_Nisch_Mal_Gnoll
3580877 a_Lteth_Mas_Gnoll
3579378 a_Nisch_Mas_Gnoll
3578904 a_Rosch_Mas_gnoll
3572065 a_skeleton
3564645 a_sand_scarab
3559961 Lynada_the_Exiled
3555909 a_highwayman
3544527 a_kerran_mamluk
3543688 CWG_Model_MA
3530560 Slayer_Captain
3502965 Nomala
3499279 a_spinereef_seahorse
3491103 a_madman
3474185 Brunar_Rankin
3463070 Spikefish

oldest char (who was first made)
SELECT name FROM `character_` order by id asc
Rogean
Null
nilbog
Rexxx
Stasis
Lime
Cicero
Kain
Ganois
Afflicted
Huff
Skarn
Smedy
Nirgon
Yosto
Unleashe
Swag
Bulthus
Keto
Billysunday
Sojourner
Lemons
Karrmer
Whistler
Obama
Blade
Omega
Socialist
Tegel
Psyops

[Dullah]

A huge portion of the server rolling around for the sole purpose of putthing their name higher on a leaderboard = grief, and its not classic.

[heartbrand]

That list of names brings a tear to my eye

[heartbrand]

A huge portion of the server rolling around for the sole purpose of putthing their name higher on a leaderboard = grief, and its not classic.

Cool that's your opinion though

[Dullah]

No, being that I played classic eq pvp for years, that would be a fact.

[heartbrand]

What is grief to one person is not grief to another, it's something that's called:

sub·jec·tive   [suhb-jek-tiv] Show IPA
adjective
1.
existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective).

[Nirgon]

A huge portion of the server rolling around for the sole purpose of putthing their name higher on a leaderboard = grief, and its not classic.

I have so many mean things to say, but I'll just structure an argument rather than carry one out.

Non classic = scaling pvp range with ffa
Red = 4 lvls, item loot

This isn't a classic implementation of any of the live servers right now.

Leader board = classic element to a team based PvP server

I know anything like item loot or a pvp leader board kills the server in the eyes of many. But it didn't on live.

Griefing is xp loss on death and bind camping someone. That exists here. Let's remove that first. At least with no item loot you can bag all your shit before you die or xp in planar and no real loss on death.

[Rogean]

You feel like doing something crazy? How about something that tries to automatically create a screen shot from a hovering camera on the kill?

The server has no texture rendering or any sort of graphics system the client uses. It would essentially have to record all coordinates, movement, animations, etc, then create some way to replay a rendering in a client. ie... too much work for the gain and not even sure if possible.

[heartbrand]

Griefing to me is repeatedly killing someone over and over who is afk, giving someone pve deaths intentionally (though case dependent), or repeatedly killing someone who is trying to loot and scoot. Most of that can be solved by enforcing LnS and bind-camping, or simply removing exp loss on pvp deaths and not giving credit on leaderboard for repeat kills within x minutes or what not.

[Dullah]

I agree, removing exp loss would be a step in the right direction.

When you change the game from being about progression in the content itself, to being about progression on a leaderboard, it will remove many of the elements that make Everquest what it is. The sense of community is severely lacking here, as can be seen by reading these forums for 5 minutes. A large portion of the population started here with the stated goals of griefing as many people off the server as possible. They were successful. Offering built in mechanics to encourage this sort of play style is a bad idea, imo.

You can see that this opinion is shared with a large portion of the population, because its more or less the reason people continually join Nihilum. They want to play EQ, and PVP, not just pvp.

[Nirgon]

Item loot isn't grief only.

There xp loss is a set back to discourage bind rushing..

Death is painful with or without xp loss, people can still chain kill aka "grief" (if that's what you want to kill it) others.

Item loot provided an incentive to log in for the unguilded. It also remedies twinks griefing (like in field of bone coming up).

[Dullah]

When I say grief, I don't mean generic pvp, or killing a player.

Grief is when theres so much pvp and ganking going on, you can't accomplish anything else or experience the game. I realize a lot of people look at red like its the anti-blue, but thats not what I came here for. I didn't play blue because it didn't have pvp. That doesn't mean when I come to a pvp server, I don't want to enjoy pve.

PvP makes PvE fun. PvP is not the end all. Catering heavily to those who just want to PvP will only serve to take away from the classic EQ experience.

[Tradesonred]

When I say grief, I don't mean generic pvp, or killing a player.

Grief is when theres so much pvp and ganking going on, you can't accomplish anything else or experience the game. I realize a lot of people look at red like its the anti-blue, but thats not what I came here for. I didn't play blue because it didn't have pvp. That doesn't mean when I come to a pvp server, I don't want to enjoy pve.

PvP makes PvE fun. PvP is not the end all. Catering heavily to those who just want to PvP will only serve to take away from the classic EQ experience.

Problem here is I rolled to experience something like a classic EQ PVP experience, not a purple99 experience.

Grief is when theres so much pvp going on? lol @ pvp player

The best times on Rallos for me was Halloween 2001, 200 people in zones ganking the fuck out of each other for 72 hours straight fighting over event mobs.

[Nirgon]

I'll just wait for the official Rogean or Nilbog response on the issue. Whether it is still debatable, or a "no not ever".

That said, I know Nilbog's stance on the issue. He's a pretty smart fella, especially compared to every one else here on a regular basis.

[notCwall]

item loot discourages pvp, creates an even larger gap between melee viability and caster viability

yellow text encourages pvp

leaderboard encourages pvp

[Dullah]

I agree with this.

Rallos had plenty of pvp, but compared to the other zeks, people were much more cautious. Item loot was no doubt the reason why.

[hijinks]

item loot is a no-go imo.. people will just strip to NO DROP anyway.

/who all zone is cool and adds a neet stalking experience


dang, b interesting to see red99 do well if it actually is catered towards the PvP crowd..

[Nirgon]

Yeah I'll add it to the list of more things most of the VZTZ crowd can't handle.

Fiegi could and would love it.

[Zallar]

Let's do this... someone list out the primary reasons (with detail) of why they want YT.

My vote is for YT without location.

It increases conversation in OOC and generates a feel of community. A delayed log will probably increase posts in RnF but there is so much trash from people who don't play on the server I'd rather have the conversations in-game with people actually playing and not trolls on the forum.

[BigSlip]

Why are you guys afraid of location in YT?


Do you like being in freeport, guessing and hoping someone will be in lower guk, run all the way and say oh theres noone here, or in any other zone connected to this one.


Location is everything, id rather see somerandom was slayed by somerandom in lavastorm than slippery has slain zereh and no location. (sry zereh u were the first to pop in my head)

[Dullah]

Let me help you out. When kunark comes out, people will be in seb, hs, com, or one of the zones in between.

There you go, free of charge.

[Tradesonred]

Why are you guys afraid of location in YT?


Do you like being in freeport, guessing and hoping someone will be in lower guk, run all the way and say oh theres noone here, or in any other zone connected to this one.


Location is everything, id rather see somerandom was slayed by somerandom in lavastorm than slippery has slain zereh and no location. (sry zereh u were the first to pop in my head)

Say you are in Gfay and see one of your usual pvp targets kill someone in crushbone, you zone in and get him while hes low on health. Thats why.

Id much rather have events that draws pvpers in like a magnet than YT location.

Id prefer YT no loc to what we have now, but if you make me choose between no YT or YT+ loc id choose no YT.

[Halfelfbard]

Was reading your post...and i've bin thinking about making a bard on P-red99, with the player base though i just really cant see myself having any fun.

I am a very social player, even if where killing each other or jus running around, its really hard to see that happening.

But i would like to try since i never played on EQ pvp at all.

[Tumdumm]

Was reading your post...and i've bin thinking about making a bard on P-red99, with the player base though i just really cant see myself having any fun.

the forums "playerbase" and the servers playerbase are way different luckily

But i would like to try since i never played on EQ pvp at all.

do it, see the light

[Zallar]

There's lots of social interaction in game. It's not a every man for himself atmosphere. In fact I think the PvP aspect of it makes the social game more important then blue. Who you are aligned with, your actions, and your reputation follow you around far longer on Red.

[mindsculptor]

good pvp action in mm tonight in the midst of maid/butler camp

[Labanen]

To me meaningful pvp is to fight over something, most often a spawn. If you add yt with locatio, then you cannot ever defend or takeover any spawns since given a location of a low mana/hp character will mean you have the vultures come for you in numbers. This will be worse with scoreboards. Casters can at least flee from this, melees will be fucked. I dont think it will add numbers... However just the talk of kubark multiplied off peak population by 3-5.

[Giovanni]

Two teams with zone control maps solves the issues associated with yellow text. It lets newbs know where to go find experience groups for people on their team and where to find pvp.

[Dullah]

However just the talk of kubark multiplied off peak population by 3-5.
3-5? We were peaking around 10 during the day, since kunark we've had 30-40 on prior to primetime. They're trickling back.

[Labanen]

Multiply 10 with 3-4 and you get what ?

[Maybach 2.0]

Multiply 10 with 3-4 and you get what ?

hahahahahahaha yes.

[Dullah]

haha missed the multiply

[Labanen]

I know, couldnt resist the low shot though :-)

[Dullah]

Just so used to the sarcasm, tongue-in-cheek and passive aggression on this forum. Easy to assume the worst.

[Supaskillz]

Two teams with zone control maps solves the issues associated with yellow text. It lets newbs know where to go find experience groups for people on their team and where to find pvp.

Zone control? Maybe we should have capture the flag too?

[nilbog]

Zone control? Maybe we should have capture the flag too?

http://youtu.be/6CfbWwnkCOc?hd=1

?

[Znif]

capture the flag sounds fun as fuck imo

[Supreme]

http://youtu.be/6CfbWwnkCOc?hd=1

?


a CTF arena based on classes...

own.

[Nizzarr]

Capture the bard you mean

[Aenor]

Rogean I'm glad you are entertaining the possibility of yellow text. VZTZ was fun times when there were 100+ chars on line (mostly boxers) and right now the server has 55 on. So as much bitching as people do, the server seems fairly healthy with Kunark incoming.

As for your argument that YT defeats the purpose of anon, we already have global OOC where people can announce the location of their kills if they choose to. What a kill broadcast does is act like CNN with breaking news updates. When a bunch of kills happen in a row in the same zone, you know a major fight is going on.

Yes it encourages people to gank and grief, but at this point I think anything that encourages people to come back and fight would have to be considered a bonus. There's no ganking and griefing going on when the server only has 25 people that log in every night. People have consistently asked for this... it wasn't a big issue to me... but I'll chime in in favor of it now because I would like to see not just a temporary bump in population with Kunark but a sustained bump in population. Peeps want YT. Thank you for considering it.

[Dullah]

Capture the bard you mean

Ya, the only way to do it would be to convert the zone to indoor.

[Loli Pops]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519NKBB2FXL._SS500_.jpg
starring HB

[SearyxTZ]

Let's do this... someone list out the primary reasons (with detail) of why they want YT.


I gotta get this out of the way first: I'm reluctant to even play on your red server again since you were AWOL from the forums for so long when the population was dropping. I'm glad you're posting here now and haven't just pulled the plug on it, but there's a level of trust that affects anyone's willingness to really commit to the character progression.



On-topic: YT makes the server feel alive/active, which is pretty important for low-pop servers. It also gives the person doing it a bit of reward for getting a kill. It stimulates OOC/chatter. Competitive trash talk was a big part of the classic red servers.

It existed on the classic Discord server, which was similarly low population. On VZTZ (and LoZ), most everyone liked having the feature.

The "players will find out where I'm at" is more theory than practice. In 4 years of VZTZ I can't recall a single forum thread complaining about YT ruining their covert operation in some rarely-visited dungeon. It was a plus to have any inkling of where pvp was taking place. Again, this is the low-population thing. Whatever concern exists about being able to hide from pvp is outweighed by the ability to find pvp.

[SearyxTZ]

also: teams

TEAMS



Light/dark, 4 races, SZ style - whatever. Those servers were more popular than RZ.

Casual players have a better time. People know where to go (Karnors = lightie dungeon, Guk = dark, etc). Zone control is meaningful. Guilds reaching critical mass is less impactful because allying smaller guilds on the same team is more viable.

It won't happen but I would never leave this box if it became the striking image of 2000-era Tallon Zek (or VZ/SZ).

[Zallar]

+1 for teams. Would love to see that happen. What are the obstacles for doing teams mid-play? Is my previous comment a possibility or not able to do with current code?

Give players a one time option to change races, all faction work is zero'd out and reset to base race faction.

Probably would have to do a search of items that were race-linked quests as well, like the human cleric thing that gives them lich.

[Dullah]

also: teams

TEAMS



Light/dark, 4 races, SZ style - whatever. Those servers were more popular than RZ.

Casual players have a better time. People know where to go (Karnors = lightie dungeon, Guk = dark, etc). Zone control is meaningful. Guilds reaching critical mass is less impactful because allying smaller guilds on the same team is more viable.

It won't happen but I would never leave this box if it became the striking image of 2000-era Tallon Zek (or VZ/SZ).
Those servers also didn't have item loot, which was a bigger deterrent than race wars was a feature, imo. Not really against race wars servers, they always sounded great to me, but I was already fully invested/immersed in RZ. R99 doesn't have item loot, so I feel like this arguement is mostly moot, aside from the fact that it would be almost impossible to implement at this point.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Another reason why teams would not work on this server: everyone has 20 accounts with one character on each one (or so).

Back on the EQ teams you of course had limmited character slots and limmited accounts (had to pay for each one, and most did not have multiple accounts). You were restricted to making toons (at least on sullon zek) on your account that all shared the same team.

Here, everyone would have their "evil" account/toon, their "good" account/toon, their newt one etc.

It would be pointless. Would be no team spirit/pride like early team EQ and early DAoC realms had.

Just would be a great mess in general. And besides, for a real team server you have to have way more of a pop then we do now.

[SearyxTZ]

ok kewl lets just do the shitty RZ FFA thing then and pile everyone into one huge bluebie guild that sounds way better

[Tr0llb0rn]

ok kewl lets just do the shitty RZ FFA thing then and pile everyone into one huge bluebie guild that sounds way better

I give up forever

What does it matter to you? Nothing will please you, you are waiting for that perfect server in your head. Stay lvl 40 and stay on LoZ, please.

[SearyxTZ]

yeah I don't really care enough to post more about this for the 4000th time in this window of opportunity where Rogean is presumably giving a shit again, so I'll just defer to the remaining blue server converts who clearly have a better idea of what works on a red server than I do

let me know how it goes with getting people back from LoZ

[Lazortag]

How are you going to implement teams on a server with already established guilds? Are you going to break up those guilds? That's obviously silly.

[SearyxTZ]

The one big guild left on the server? Yep. Break em up. Change is necessary sometimes.

[Tr0llb0rn]

let me know how it goes with getting people back from LoZ

Several where back and on the Plane of Air raid last night. Grats Laura on her new golden effreti arms and Murderface on some magi cloak thingy!!! yeah!

Thanks for asking.

[Tr0llb0rn]

The one big guild left on the server? Yep. Break em up. Change is necessary sometimes.

Lets throw this one on the turd pile with "wipe it clean"

lol

[SearyxTZ]

Several where back and on the Plane of Air raid last night. Grats Laura on her new golden effreti arms and Murderface on some magi cloak thingy!!! yeah!


wow, sounds like it's doing wonders for the pvp on the pvp server

[SearyxTZ]

exp boost and YT with Kubark will probably make this box competitive with LoZ

And I do think teams would put this server over the top. I don't think it will happen but I don't have to justify why it would work to any of you jackasses. There were 3 classic teams servers to just 1 less popular FFA server. VZ & TZ did have item loot for months so spare me the excuses about RZ's population.

FFA always runs the risk of exactly what happened on this server and what happened on VZTZ too: only one team (guild) being left after they "win" and the competition throws the towel in. And then it turns into an uncontested blue server. With teams there are always going to be multiple teams, regardless of which guilds fail and succeed.

[Zallar]

How are you going to implement teams on a server with already established guilds? Are you going to break up those guilds? That's obviously silly.

Allow a one time race change so established guilds could pick a team and their members could convert if needed.

[Nirgon]

Divide 60 pop server into SZ teams

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/1988624/2/stock-photo-1988624-fun-happy-laughing-girls.jpg

[Aenor]

Whatever concern exists about being able to hide from pvp is outweighed by the ability to find pvp.

[Tr0llb0rn]

exp boost and YT with Kubark will probably make this box competitive with LoZ


And I do think teams would put this server over the top.


This is already going in and server has already surpassed LoZ in population, two whole weeks before kunark is even out.


What is the point of teams when we all have 20 accounts with multiple toons on each team? We can already do this, its called putting alts in other guilds. Do Not Need.

[Crazyeye]

Logged onto red with the blue downtime.. Pvp'd against some twinked out 25 rogue with my crushbone geared 24 paladin, coulda smashed him but found out he too was a dwarf so i let him zone with 7% hp left. I figured with all the time invested into his char just to be smacked down by a bluebi corpse run woulda been to catastrophic.

So the question is, should i have killed a brother dwarf ? Did i do right by saving him a miserable corpse run ? I am just a bluebie at heart afterall!

[Swampfeet]

You are too kind sir.

[Rushmore]

Divide 60 pop server into SZ teams



More fail ideas from someone who doesn't play here.

[Nirgon]

Dumb detected

[Gustoo]

Haha ^^

I think a kill board with delay AND location would be great just to get a better picture of the battle. If you can make assists accurate somehow than that would be good. As a cleric I wont be getting many kill shots but when I'm involved in PVP it would be good to get a point.

Basically - for each kill with an assist it will show

Soandso - Killshot Killed Soandso in Innothule
Gustoo
Soandso

So it shows the group of guys who brought down one person. It will give proper respects to non assist kills..maybe non assist kills will get 1.5 points and normal assist kills like the above would give everyone including the killshot 1 point.

[Akim]

Logged onto red with the blue downtime.. Pvp'd against some twinked out 25 rogue with my crushbone geared 24 paladin, coulda smashed him but found out he too was a dwarf so i let him zone with 7% hp left. I figured with all the time invested into his char just to be smacked down by a bluebi corpse run woulda been to catastrophic.

So the question is, should i have killed a brother dwarf ? Did i do right by saving him a miserable corpse run ? I am just a bluebie at heart afterall!

I can't stop lookin at your crazy eye

[Tradesonred]

Kunark.

Today.

:cool:

[Crenshinabon]

Nice, I'll be back. Gotta get my copy of Titanium back from a friend.

[BigSlip]

I loaned mine to this fellow.

http://geektyrant.com/storage/post-images/blackbeard-pirate-movie.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1266883518145

[runlvlzero]

I think a kill board with delay AND location would be great just to get a better picture of the battle.

http://www.arthermitage.org/Painting/Alexander-the-Great-and-Diogenes.jpg

O really? You mean the petty thuggary and assasinations.

The battle... should make a book titled that one day full of R99 exploits.

[Haul]

exp boost and YT with Kubark will probably make this box competitive with LoZ

And I do think teams would put this server over the top. I don't think it will happen but I don't have to justify why it would work to any of you jackasses. There were 3 classic teams servers to just 1 less popular FFA server. VZ & TZ did have item loot for months so spare me the excuses about RZ's population.

FFA always runs the risk of exactly what happened on this server and what happened on VZTZ too: only one team (guild) being left after they "win" and the competition throws the towel in. And then it turns into an uncontested blue server. With teams there are always going to be multiple teams, regardless of which guilds fail and succeed.

teams + item loot would be fuckin crazy, I'd play for sure

[mitic]

teams + item loot would be fuckin crazy, I'd play for sure

i concur to your yellow text idea

[broodwar567]

There are only two guilds on the server right now so it's not like anyone questions where the pvp is happening. All you need to do is ask the guild and you know. So why not give pvp some recognition with YT.

[Shrubwise]

Flowers of Happiness and Red Dawn

[Haul]

yt w/o zone reference-