Girlfriend Going to Try P1999 - Thoughts on a Class?

[Cypher.]

My girlfriend will be trying EQ (and video games in general) for the first time soon and I've been trying to find a class to steer her towards that wouldn't be overwhelming but at the same time compliment my ranger since I assume we'll be duoing a bit. When I gave her the list of classes, she picked out a chanter but I think a chanter might be a bit more for a starter toon. So far I've come up with:

- Paladin: Plate for survivability, LoH, rezzes later on, fairly intuitive, can do some light PLing.
- Monk: FD, Mend, good damage output, again can PL at the lower levels. (FD pulling might be a bit much though)
- Necro: Easy.
- Bard: Useful, nice utility, can probably AoE kite with some instruction.

What do you guys think? Anyone have any prior experience with something like this?

[Shiftin]

shaman would be able to buff all of your attributes, heal you, haste you, and she will have a pet, which girls love.

also, don't play a ranger.

[Austrianna]

Wow, we had a GM Shiftin on Bristlebane back in the day. This is only the second time I've seen a character with that name. So weird! ;p Brought me back haha

[AimAce]

Make her play a druid, so she can transform herself into a super cute wolf <3 Most importantly, its a class that benefits from twinking (a bit), and at the same time has complete solo capabilities!

On the other hand, if she is COMPLETELY new to games, you should probably give her one of the melee classes. Because spell casting can be arduous (not hard necessarily) for a completely new player. Monks, rogues and the like are a decent bet.

[Lazortag]

I like how people in this thread are essentializing women as all liking cutesy things.

If you're playing a ranger, she should play a necro. It's a fun class that can be involving, and is great at soloing and duoing. It duos better with a ranger than any of the other classes on your list.

Or if she thought she'd like playing a chanter, maybe she should just play a chanter. They're really not that complicated and you can even fear kite with her if you're playing a ranger.

[Shiftin]

I like how people in this thread are essentializing women as all liking cutesy things

.... yep.

Have you ever tried to get a girlfriend to try an MMO for the first time?

[Lazortag]

.... yep.

Have you ever tried to get a girlfriend to try an MMO for the first time?

Yes.

[Snagglepuss]

Druid FTW.

My girlfriend is not a gamer, and EQ was the first game she ever played. I would tend to think that enchanters are very complex class that has a lot of group responsibilty. She really enjoyed playing a Druid because of the utility, ports, and ability to help other players. She liked the idea of being a wood elf because it was like the LoTR movies.

But if she want to play an enchanter, she should. Just make sure that she realizes it's a bit tougher learning curve for that class.

[AimAce]

My girlfriend had (has) zero experience with games, let alone mmorpgs lol. I remember when I was teaching her how to move my characters around in different MMOs, she was absolutely beaming. (You feel your life drain away)

[Cypher.]

Druid FTW.

My girlfriend is not a gamer, and EQ was the first game she ever played. I would tend to think that enchanters are very complex class that has a lot of group responsibilty. She really enjoyed playing a Druid because of the utility, ports, and ability to help other players. She liked the idea of being a wood elf because it was like the LoTR movies.

But if she want to play an enchanter, she should. Just make sure that she realizes it's a bit tougher learning curve for that class.

This sounds like her. She's really big on elves, LoTR, and all that stuff. I think I might suggest the druid to her when she gets home.

I feel the same way about a chanter. My brother played one back on live and it looked pretty intense at times.

Monk sounds pretty solid for melee. Anyone know what it's like gearing one up? Have a few thousand plat sitting in the bank atm.

[AimAce]

Even 6k will be enough for decent twinkage. Wu's set + jade mace + knuckle duster and you're set.

[Sollannix]

Have her play an Enchantet if that's the class she finds attractive. Levelling in eq is so slow you don't want her playing a class she doesn't find interesting just to get her feet wet. Playing another class--especially a mellee--will not help her when she wants to switch to a chanter. At lower levels she can just buff anyway until she gets good at charming and crowd control.

Print out a copy of Xornns enchanting guide which is available on the wiki and have her read it. That guide is solid gold and if after reading it she thinks
Ench sounds fun she should do that. The guide will give her the advice to gain the skills to cc and charm effectively, especially how to line up her spells.

Sollannixx Mezzinwitu <Acyrid>
Crack deals and haste pusha on the corner of 54th

[Alawen]

Back on live, my girlfriend wanted to play a wizard and I convinced her to play a monk instead. One morning I woke up and she was in tears because she was trying to pull something hard and her group was giving her a bunch of shit. She never played again. Huge mistake on my part.

I'd let her play the enchanter. Don't make a big deal out of it if either of you die. If you have to CR both of you, do it. Have fun with her when she wants to play--don't expect her to min/max like a vet. If she wants to put up a shitty pet and cast nukes and fear, so be it.

That's my take.

[Danyelle]

Back on live, my girlfriend wanted to play a wizard and I convinced her to play a monk instead. One morning I woke up and she was in tears because she was trying to pull something hard and her group was giving her a bunch of shit. She never played again. Huge mistake on my part.

I'd let her play the enchanter. Don't make a big deal out of it if either of you die. If you have to CR both of you, do it. Have fun with her when she wants to play--don't expect her to min/max like a vet. If she wants to put up a shitty pet and cast nukes and fear, so be it.

That's my take.

Everyone should be doing this, girlfriend or boyfriend, dating or not, stranger or long time friend.

It's a fucking game. We're here to enjoy ourselves not make other people feel like shit because they don't take pixels as seriously as we may.

[Shadius]

Wow, we had a GM Shiftin on Bristlebane back in the day. This is only the second time I've seen a character with that name. So weird! ;p Brought me back haha

Who were you on BB? I played on BB from basically release until about 2003.

[Splorf22]

I personally agree with Shiftin. Tell her that Shaman are the priest equivalent of enchanters, but they are vastly more forgiving and team better with more classes.

I'm surprised no one is laughing at you yet for complaining that your GF wants to play an enchanter (awesome class) while you want to play a ranger (horrible class).

[karsten]

girls suck at video games and so shouldnt ever play enchanters because you and your group will all die. Vella is the only exception to this.


girls are to be clerics and clerics only, due to the fact that you'll have to box her to get her to level up and she'll suck anyways, but at least then you'll have a rez bot!



























also kubark! you're welcome ol pal

[quido]

Envvy is one of the best enchanters I've ever seen here.

[Tarathiel]

It's a fucking game. We're here to enjoy ourselves not make other people feel like shit because they don't take pixels as seriously as we may.

truer words have never been spoken

[Danyelle]

girls suck at video games and so shouldnt ever play enchanters because you and your group will all die. Vella is the only exception to this.


girls are to be clerics and clerics only, due to the fact that you'll have to box her to get her to level up and she'll suck anyways, but at least then you'll have a rez bot!


I disagree, I knew an amazing enchanter who used to play here who was female. It is true that cleric is one of the classes female players tend to flock to for some reason, at least in my experience. Not for the reason you listed though.

Edit: PS. I know you were trolling, but still.

[SwordNboard]

Baptism by fire. Let her do the chanter!

[falkun]

Enchanters pair amazingly with rangers. Its a fear kite heaven. At early levels, put up animation, have her get hit, then ranger tank. Once you have snare and she has fear, any outdoor zone is your playground.

It'll also be easy for her to ENC in those instances: Ranger pull, enc get hit once, pet aggros, snare, fear, kill. Rinse/repeat. You have heals, she has haste/slow/fear/clarity.

And you can slowly introduce her into more involved enchanting. Get the fear kiting down (its easy), then work on getting her to charm a pet for fear kiting (which you can't do reliably until like L29 anyways). Get her to split outdoor camps like iksar bandit camps with lull + mez. Teach her new skills as she picks them up, at her pace. If she's not picking it up, go back to simple fear kiting for the night.

tl;dr: RNG+ENC literally needs 1 spell from the ENC all night long - fear. Everything else is just gravy.

[Splorf22]

Nice point Deajay, I totally forgot about the fearkite thing leveling. Also charming outdoors with snare on the charmed pet is actually quite safe.

[Houdiny]

For a first character in EQ I would suggest a caster dps or melee dps. Tanks and healers require a certain level of attention to be affective. I'm not saying she couldn't pick one up and be great at it, but for most first timers I always suggest DPS classes. If they slack it doesn't wipe the group nearly as often as a Cleric who is too enamored by another classes pet and forgets to heal the tank lol

Necromancers make good first characters, so would a wizard, or monk, rogue, all kinds of good classes for beginners. If she has played more than one MMO and this isn't her first I wouldn't worry about it too much, just tell her what the classes do and what they get and turn her loose.

[LordFresh]

she is hot? Picture to prove it or else everyone will know you are secretly boxing the toon!!!

[Houdiny]

girls suck at video games and so shouldnt ever play enchanters because you and your group will all die. Vella is the only exception to this.


girls are to be clerics and clerics only, due to the fact that you'll have to box her to get her to level up and she'll suck anyways, but at least then you'll have a rez bot!



Disagree with this completely. On EQ live we had 2 female Enchanters in our guild and 1 male, who didn't raid all that often because of RL work and other issues. We really only had 2 raiding Enchanters most of the time both of which were girls. Those two girls locked down Rathe Council in PoP better than any guild on our server at the time. As a matter of fact we loaned them out to two other guilds trying to get through progression and were stuck on Rathe Council.

Being an Enchanter has nothing to do with gender. No class really does if you ask me.

[Hurley]

have her send me a tell, I will take care of her.

[Danth]

Druid is a fair choice for a gaming newbie. The class has no well-defined group role so not many people will much care what she does in a group, and when she gets bored and quits you'll have a port character available. Complete the stereotype by having her make the redhead wood-elf.

Cleric is also a good choice if you don't expect her to solo much/any. It's an easy class to play at a moderately effective level. People fawn over clerics and folks like feeling important. People are also rather used to clerics often being lazy and/or bad players so don't normally expect the cleric to do a whole lot beyond healing and maybe buffing.

Wizards and Rogues can be fairly safe bets since their basic-level gameplay amounts to "point at monster and stab/blast it." I'd consider rogue the safest choice if you don't think she can tolerate the meditate mechanic.

Basically you want to avoid a class where she'll be likely to mess up and wind up with a lot of people yelling at her, because that'll drive her out of the game in a hurry. The issue isn't her gender, but her being a newbie. The romantic might debate the ethics of yelling at people for mistakes in a video game, but the pragmatic player accepts that it'll happen and plans accordingly. In the unlikely event she grows into liking this game and wants to branch out, that's when it's time to start experimenting with more advanced classes and strategies.

Your job is to make something that'll synergize tolerably well with what she makes so as to have decent duo capability since groups aren't always instantly available.

Danth

[thrump]

Woman here -- play with my husband here and we played together on live.

Let her play whatever she wants. Enchanter is a lot of fun.

The biggest decision you'll make isn't what class to encourage her to play but if you get her char to level 5 for her before introducing her to the game. I played EQ for years and years and had a blast but was about to say screw it when I was killing newbie rats last August. Nuh-uh.

[Cypher.]

Basically you want to avoid a class where she'll be likely to mess up and wind up with a lot of people yelling at her, because that'll drive her out of the game in a hurry. The issue isn't her gender, but her being a newbie. The romantic might debate the ethics of yelling at people for mistakes in a video game, but the pragmatic player accepts that it'll happen and plans accordingly. In the unlikely event she grows into liking this game and wants to branch out, that's when it's time to start experimenting with more advanced classes and strategies.



This is my fear right now. While I believe the vast majority of folks on P1999 are great people to game with, I do know that there are a few douche bags out there who get off to belittling other players. While I'm certain that she has the ability to learn the game (and games in general) given instruction and time, being thick-skinned is not one of her attributes so I can already see some ass telling her to "L2P" and completely shutting down any hope of her touching online games for awhile.

Additionally, I don't want to necessarily push her to a class because X works well with my toon Y but I also feel that after years of EQ, I have enough insight into the classes that I have a bit of a responsibility to try to steer her to a class that she will enjoy enough to open up to other classes (as mentioned by another poster). Right now, after reading the posts and re-freshing myself with the p99 wiki, translate to chanter, druid, or SK.

Definitely appreciate the in-put guys - feel free to keep it coming.

[Obwin]

Had to make an account here to post on this thread (stalker status until now). I play on EQ for Mac but wanted to throw my two cents in. Please post and update after she starts playing. I am also trying to get my GF to start playing. Until now she has been content to hang out in the same room and watch/TV, read etc. while I play. She is moving away for 1 year to do a work contract and she suggested she learn to play EQ so we can play together while she's away.

My GF is not the gamer type. Although, being younger than me she played a ton of Pokemon as a kid, haha.

I was trying to figure out the best way to introduce her as well. I don't think anyone particularly likes being told l2p but my girlfriend would also be sensitive to this since she's not use to pent up nerd rage online. I would warn her in advance or just make sure she is aware it could happen if she chooses a class that could end up being main healer, CC or puller. I really don't think anyone should play a puller as their first char unless they are really dedicated to learning outside the game, memorizing maps, spawns timers etc.

My two cents would be to not twink out too much but enough to make it so you aren't dying because you missed 1000 times in a row trying to kill a rat but not so much that it is not challenging early. I would also start a new character that duos well with whatever she chooses well (you know you aren't going to quit out of frustration) and you can always switch back to your "main" when she reaches your mains level. For God's sake let her CHOOSE what she wants to play, don't try to persuade her or she will never let you hear the end of it when you are level 30 and she wasted all that time only to re-roll what she wanted in the first place (or quit). I did this to my brother when he first started EQ and he rage quit because I strongly suggested he play a char that duo'd well with me, instead of a bard like he wanted. Eventually found out he had secretly made a bard on a different sever and was loving it. Give her all the info but you can only loose if you TELL her what to play.

I think getting to level 5 (or 4 if she chooses an int caster) is probably a good idea. Nothing sucks worth than a mage before a pet or wizard before root etc.

In general certain guys and a lot of girls like feeling helpful and needed. This lends them to buffing, healing and utility classes (I'm included in this group). If you want to nudge her to a shaman I would make her aware they get wolf pets eventually. This might keep her motivated to level. FWIW I played an enchanter EQPC 1999-2003 and while it is hard, it is a class that keeps very busy and people will LOVE you. Feeling needed and having online friends are what keep people coming back. The learning curve is pretty steep but on p1999 leveling is slow enough I'm sure anyone with half a brain can handle it.

Let me know how it goes and good luck! Any tips you discover after she starts are appreciated on my end.

[Danyelle]

Basically you want to avoid a class where she'll be likely to mess up and wind up with a lot of people yelling at her, because that'll drive her out of the game in a hurry. The issue isn't her gender, but her being a newbie. The romantic might debate the ethics of yelling at people for mistakes in a video game, but the pragmatic player accepts that it'll happen and plans accordingly. In the unlikely event she grows into liking this game and wants to branch out, that's when it's time to start experimenting with more advanced classes and strategies.

While this may be true...don't push her into doing one particular class out of fear.


Tbh, here's what I would do (Note: this assumes you live with, or near, her). Load up the game. Sit her ass down in the chair. Click the "Create New Character" button. Cycle through all the races and classes (avoid Vah Shir and Froglok, Beastlord and Berserker. As, if she takes a liking to one, you'll have to explain to her how we're on a dogmatic-Classic server and Space Cats+ is an evil sin created by Satan to destroy video games and pixels. This will be over whelming for her on her first day so don't even click those buttons). Read every class/race description with her. Then tell her simply "You're in a fantasy world now. You can do and be whatever you wanna be. Pick what seems interesting and that you think will make you happy and let me know."

Once she makes a selection, regardless of what it is (ensure though she understands class/race restriction. What races can be what class etc) walk her through the creation process. Let her select her name. If it's rejected, cycle to a new one. Then enter the world.

DO NOT log in your character yet. Sit beside her. Walk her through her first few levels right by her side. Explain the spells, discs, skills, npcs, basic functions, UI functions. Literally everything there is to know about the game. Go slow. Unless she has MMO experience (not gaming in general, but MMO) you're gonna have to basically explain it like you would to a child. But don't make it sound that way, makes you look rude. Once you think she gets it you'll be able to tell if she is having fun or not. If she is enjoying herself load in your character and start playing with her. At this point, if she didn't pick the same class as you or a class you have experience with, you can find someone who does to give her some pointers (don't be a jealous ass about it either. It's the internet. Guys will hit on her. Live with it and move on).


Last but not least, you may want to reroll your toon. I know it seems annoying, especially on a Classic server where stuff is hard to get, but hear me out. It's better for you, a person who already knows you enjoy, and even love, this game, to be forced to make a class/race selection based on HER choice. Than for her, a person who has no idea what this game is about or if she'll enjoy it, to have to pick from a limited spectrum of classes/races just because you want it to compliment YOUR pre-existing character.

From there, enjoy EQ.

[finalgrunt]

Make her play WoW maybe. EQ isn't much forgiving, and if she isn't a hardcore gamer, the grind might put her off.

On a more serious note, druid might better. Gives sow, wolf form & snare / tp (she'll feel freer this way), will enjoy having an easier role (buffing & healing).

Once she get used to the game, maybe she'll want to try an alt of some sort. Only then you can help her with trying new style until you find what she really likes/wants.

[Arclanz]

...On the other hand, if she is COMPLETELY new to games, you should probably give her one of the melee classes...

/agree. I know two women who played EQ as their first game and they played a warrior and monk, respectively, and got hooked. I think more involved classes would overwhelm people new to gaming.

...my girlfriend wanted to play ..I convinced her to play a monk... .One morning...she was in tears because she was trying to pull something hard and her group was giving her a bunch of shit. She never played again...

Excellent point. That Monk I mentioned left our guild in frustration over a similar situation (but I convinced her to come back within the hour).

Have her play a wood elf warrior or ranger. You play the support class; she will feel more heroic being out in front with you helping her from behind (no pun intended)

Everyone should be doing this, girlfriend or boyfriend, dating or not, stranger or long time friend.

It's a fucking game. We're here to enjoy ourselves not make other people feel like shit because they don't take pixels as seriously as we may.

/swoon Dany

OP don't twink your GF, she won't understand it; don't PL her. start a new toon and play and die with her along the way. Instruct her to inform others she groups with that her BF just got her into the game and she is new to it. As long as people know someone is new, they are generally very forgiving and helpful (or will at worst leave the group because "something came up.")

Dany's last post, above, is solid advice. Do that :P

[Danyelle]

OP don't twink your GF, she won't understand it; don't PL her. start a new toon and play and die with her along the way. Instruct her to inform others she groups with that her BF just got her into the game and she is new to it. As long as you tell them she is female people won't give two fucks what she does while in group (just don't look at her tell window, for your own good.)

Fixed that for you.


But seriously. I would recommend leveling with her. And people WILL be nicer about it if they know a person is new. Especially at lower levels. Though like I said, people should be that way anyway.

[Safon]

Where do all you people find girls who would even consider playing this game. It always amazes me how many people claim to have girlfriends who play or are getting into the game. Something always smelled a bit fishy with the whole thing...

I have some theories as to explanations, but they are mean so I will hold my tongue

[Danyelle]

Where do all you people find girls who would even consider playing this game. It always amazes me how many people claim to have girlfriends who play or are getting into the game. Something always smelled a bit fishy with the whole thing...

I have some theories as to explanations, but they are mean so I will hold my tongue

People usually are attracted to others who share similar interests or states of mind etc. There ARE actually women out there that do things like browse the internet or play games. And not all are the attention whoring "lol look at me playing call of duty I'm such a nerd XDXDXDXD don't hit on me silly boys" people like Tralina. Only idiots actually believe that whole "no women on the internet" shit is true.

[Lagaidh]

Make her play a druid, so she can transform herself into a super cute wolf <3 Most importantly, its a class that benefits from twinking (a bit), and at the same time has complete solo capabilities!

On the other hand, if she is COMPLETELY new to games, you should probably give her one of the melee classes. Because spell casting can be arduous (not hard necessarily) for a completely new player. Monks, rogues and the like are a decent bet.

I disagree. I think the which-is-easier-to-a-new-player question depends solely on that person. My wife was a natural caster. Tried shaman, druid then settle on cleric in live. Here she plays a druid and misses her cleric a little.

I remember my buddies trying to get me to play and they asked me what sorts of characters I liked in video games. I said "a fighter that can heal a little". A few more questions later and they steered me towards a paladin. I chose dwarf because they are obviously awesome and that's been my EQ main forever more.

I think the key is to try and figure out some questions for the girlfriend that will translate to gameplay. This isn't trivial, but I believe it gets the best result. Just some shots in the dark:
- Do you prefer to be in point blank range to your enemies?
- Do you prefer self sufficiency to teamwork?
- Are you interested in rocking a beard, but still having boobs?

You get the idea. Map those questions to something she can try. It's no giant investment really, so if she doesn't like that particular class, refine the questions and try again. Should only take a few play sessions to find a class that "speaks" to her.

[Lagaidh]

Yes.

I have too! And she even married me later.

That is what we call "a keeper".

[quido]

I tried to get a non-gamer ex-girlfriend into Counterstrike years ago. I found it was really helpful when I could associate stuff in the game with stuff with which she was familiar. For example, when I wrote her a noob guide for getting familiar with the weapons, I associated each pistol with a character from Saved By The Bell - this really helped her! Maybe you should adopt a similar approach and tie it to whatever dumb shit she's into, whether it's Jersey Shore or Sex in the City or Gilmore Girls or what have you.

[gnomishfirework]

Dude, enchanters are seriously fun. Everquest has the perfect leveling rate for someone new to the game. Enchanters work great with every class (you guys can fear kite). I would tell her to go with Enchanter if she was interested in it.

[Lagaidh]

I'm surprised the gender-troll got as many bites as it did. Danyelle, nice try but you got hooked and realized it after clickin' to post that reply =)

By the way: glad the brony express has left your avatar. I swear that stuff makes even girly-girls into flaming queers. NTTAWWT... it's just sensory overload... as if Richard Simmons himself were reciting War and Peace in my head for infinity in a voice way too excited and upbeat for the material.

[Danyelle]

I'm surprised the gender-troll got as many bites as it did. Danyelle, nice try but you got hooked and realized it after clickin' to post that reply =)

By the way: glad the brony express has left your avatar. I swear that stuff makes even girly-girls into flaming queers. NTTAWWT... it's just sensory overload... as if Richard Simmons himself were reciting War and Peace in my head for infinity in a voice way too excited and upbeat for the material.

I am bi.

And I knew it was a troll before the edit. I edited it to confirm I knew that, but was making my point anyway :P

[Lagaidh]

I am bi.

And I knew it was a troll before the edit. I edited it to confirm I knew that, but was making my point anyway :P

I don't care if yer gayer than a church picnic... I just want my little pony to die.

And I like you so I had to give you crap. If I don't like you, chances are I won't waste time talking to you =)

[karsten]

whole lot of dudes on their periods in this thread

1. girls suck at video games, hence they also suck at MMOs

2. MMOs are mostly populated by dudes, when they find out someone is a woman they attack each other like chimps

3. girls will fuck up and get yelled at, cry, get white knighted, see point 2

hence why girls should never be in guilds or given positions of authority in groups. This isn't some sort of crazy new phenomenon. and yeah there is an exception, her name is vella. thats the only one there is.

[karsten]

I tried to get a non-gamer ex-girlfriend into Counterstrike years ago. I found it was really helpful when I could associate stuff in the game with stuff with which she was familiar. For example, when I wrote her a noob guide for getting familiar with the weapons, I associated each pistol with a character from Saved By The Bell - this really helped her! Maybe you should adopt a similar approach and tie it to whatever dumb shit she's into, whether it's Jersey Shore or Sex in the City or Gilmore Girls or what have you.

jeremy ftw, as usual

[Cypher.]

After reading this thread throughout the day yesterday, she's decided on a wood elf druid for her first toon. I probably won't do any PLing as suggested but I might get a few lower level items for her to reduce the frequency of dying (and possible frustration). I'm also thinking that rolling a new toon for myself would be worthwhile too....maybe a monk or warrior. Anyways thanks for the tips and insight guys - it was quite helpful.

[Sollannix]

Enchanter is the most powerful class in the game, and can triple the productivity of any group combo they are in. Again, if she understands what an Enchaneter does and was immediately attracted to that class, she will not be interested in the others probably except for maybe a shaman.

She needs to be thick skinned to play an Enchanter. The class is rare and some people just don't really know how to group with an Enchanter. There will occassionally be the dumbass who doesn't umderstand that there was a slight delay in refreshing haste because you had to unexpectedly lock down 7 mobs that were trained or that there was a slight delay in mezzing as you had to regain control or Mez your high dps pet that can kill you in four swings if your not on point with stunning it the second charm wears off, etc.

You also have to have the ability to monitor how long buffs are lasting so you can refresh in time, get used to random people always asking for crack and haste, etc. The class requires an eye for detail, patience, intelligence, and a thick skin. If your gf has this she will not like other classes and will honestly regard them as too simple once she groups with a chanter and sees what they do. The fact that she chose an Enchanter this early and I Assume understNds what they are about is a good indicator.

Have her read the Xornn guide and if she likes it then it may be a good fit.

[Arclanz]

Where do all you people find girls who would even consider playing this game. ...

I think you have to have a somewhat submissive GF. The high-maintenance/difficult types that I prefer to date probably wouldn't even look at a computer game. Either that or have a level-2 ladder disparity (http://www.laddertheory.com/ladderconsequences.htm) warning, profane.

[Shannacore]

People usually are attracted to others who share similar interests or states of mind etc. There ARE actually women out there that do things like browse the internet or play games. And not all are the attention whoring "lol look at me playing call of duty I'm such a nerd XDXDXDXD don't hit on me silly boys" people like Tralina. Only idiots actually believe that whole "no women on the internet" shit is true.

lol

[Danyelle]

lol

Was wondering if you'd find that lol

[Amesplayerofgames]

I tried to get a non-gamer ex-girlfriend into Counterstrike years ago. I found it was really helpful when I could associate stuff in the game with stuff with which she was familiar. For example, when I wrote her a noob guide for getting familiar with the weapons, I associated each pistol with a character from Saved By The Bell - this really helped her! Maybe you should adopt a similar approach and tie it to whatever dumb shit she's into, whether it's Jersey Shore or Sex in the City or Gilmore Girls or what have you.

lmao