EpicEmu(Classic to Velious) now in open beta. [Archive]

Tuffpuppy

07-09-2012, 05:08 PM

Signed up a few months ago, got an email yesterday saying it is in open beta.

Greetings Adventurers,

The EpicEmu Team invites you to The Sleeper: Scars of Velious - Open Beta!

After months of hard work and dedication of the developers and players who have been supporting the advancement of the server, we are officially announcing the start of Open Beta. If you would like to assist in the final steps needed to complete this effort before the live launch, we encourage you, your friends, and family to come join us...yes, your girlfriend should come too.

From fixing npc models, to classic player spells and icons, to revamping entire zones, the development team has been busy and will continue to be with the bug reports you can provide. It has been almost a year since this effort began and since then hundreds of bug reports have been collected, tens of thousands of lines of code have been written, all of this thanks to the time and willingness of the players like you who want to help. We have built Norrath close to as it was during the Velious era around 2001, and though we still have many bugs to fix and many more to find, we encourage you to join us on this epic journey back in time.

A 'Task List' forum is being created to point you in the direction of which zones, npcs, and quests developers need tested during open beta - those to report the first bugs will be rewarded with beta incentives like exp potions, weight reduction bags, beta testers running shoes, lunch boxes, canteens, and more custom items as they are created. When the beta is complete do not worry about your character being 'wiped,' it will live on the Test server and you will be the first to be able to try out Luclin content as it is released by the developers while the Live server is up and operational.

We thank all the players who have been involved so far, and we thank you ahead of time for joining our efforts to bring EverQuest the Scars of Velious back to life over 10 years after its original creation.

Sincerely,

The EpicEmu Team

Was anyone in the closed beta? I am a kind of interested and may give it a try. I have been wanting to relive SoV for many years now.

Lazortag

07-09-2012, 05:19 PM

If you want SoV so badly, why not just play on p99 where SoV will actually be accurate?

Tuffpuppy

07-09-2012, 05:22 PM

If you want SoV so badly, why not just play on p99 where SoV will actually be accurate?

If SoV was available on p99 I am sure I would have tried it by now. But it isnt, so your post is pretty pointless.

Lazortag

07-09-2012, 05:28 PM

Faywind

07-09-2012, 07:35 PM

Relapse1

07-09-2012, 08:00 PM

server ran by toop right?

Delita

07-09-2012, 09:07 PM

How can I help the server?

Play the beta, report bugs, donate, and learn how to build your own EQ server. The EpicEmu team will be releasing a guide and open source effort in 2012 on how to operate and modify your own EQ server on the EpicEmu login server, including scripts to help you create your own classic EverQuest experience.

better than rogeans nazi ass shit

formallydickman

07-09-2012, 09:50 PM

Portsche

07-09-2012, 10:00 PM

If SoV was available on p99 I am sure I would have tried it by now. But it isnt, so your post is pretty pointless.

Yet you come to P99 boards and ask questions? Talk about pointless...

Danyelle

07-09-2012, 11:24 PM

If he wants to make his own server, more power to him. Gotta give him respect. If he wants to make it non-Classic, who cares?

But advertising another server on P99's boards is as stupid as advertising Red on Blue's server chat (or advertising EQMac here for that matter). The EQEmu forums has a board designed for advertising. Should totally keep it there.

Tuffpuppy

07-10-2012, 09:28 AM

Yet you come to P99 boards and ask questions? Talk about pointless...

I play on p99. P1999 is a classic EQ server. Epicemu is also a classic EQ server. However p99 does not have velious yet, and most people feel velious was the best classic expansion. Pretty on point to me.

If he wants to make his own server, more power to him. Gotta give him respect. If he wants to make it non-Classic, who cares?

But advertising another server on P99's boards is as stupid as advertising Red on Blue's server chat (or advertising EQMac here for that matter). The EQEmu forums has a board designed for advertising. Should totally keep it there.

"Off Topic
Anything not related to Project 1999." Didn't realize people would get so butt hurt over letting people know about other options they may have with classic eq. Besides Live/EQMac there's no other place to find classic velious.

baub

07-10-2012, 01:40 PM

sounds like

a

sTOOPid idea

Chippy

07-13-2012, 05:25 PM

^this x100.

Kevlar

07-13-2012, 05:56 PM

Lots of servers on eqemu have velious, it's just that their version of velious is not classically accurate at all. So if you want velious but don't care about whether it's accurate, there are other emu servers that can provide that already. I'm not sure what makes EpicEmu so special apart from the fact that it's run by a lunatic who was banned for cheating on p99.

edit: not trying to be a debbie downer or anything, I just don't see the appeal of that server.

EQMAC seems pretty accurate. There are obviously things that exist past velious, but not much past it, and you can self limit yourself to expansions. There are guilds doing just that. Stuff like swimming and meditiate work right too. Not to mention armor class...

Flunklesnarkin

07-13-2012, 07:39 PM

I don't see the problem with him making a thread about his server in off topic.

of course I expect the thread to get trolled by the P99 community and not moderated at all also ;p

raid scene on P99 is overcrowded and not exactly open to sharing the limited monsters. (not that its right or wrong.. it just is what it is). They also don't have enough GM's on P99 for its population either which causes more drama in the raid scene than necessary.

If you don't want to deal with the P99 end game dynamic.. it would be a decent move or eqmac for that matter also.

P99 is fun and has potential to grow.. but it also has flaws in management, oversight, and rules enforcement which puts people off.

I'll give your server a look myself.. but the eqmac community has been one of the nicer online communities I've seen out there.

could probably play on both if I like the server.

Autotune

07-13-2012, 09:57 PM

EQmac blows.

This.

Lemme know when EQmac can at least do mouse view zooming classicly.

Flunklesnarkin

07-13-2012, 10:29 PM

Well gave it a shot and made a character on the velious server and It does seem to have most of what I want in an everquest emulator.

I really like their raid rules over there.. raid tokens instead of variance.

I guess it depends on your flavor of a non classic raid scene whether you like this or that heh

Classic textures and doesn't seem buggy at all to me yet.

It does say there is legit 2 boxing there but no more. not much of a difference from P99 though because many people on P99 dual box by tethering smart phones to a computer etc anyways.

I hear what you guys are saying about eqmac and the mousewheel scroll in and out.. but thats mostly preference.. I always play first person anyways.. helps with immersion imo.

I do think its kind of overblown to say a game sucks just because you don't like one aspect of its version.. like I could say "P99 Sucks because I don't like the raid scene!!" but that wouldn't be true.

Bottom line.. the sleeper server is up.. not laggy.. not luclin models like most of the other emu's (yuck).. and has a different flavor of non classic raid scene than P99's non classic raid scene.

Seems like they are going to minimize racing over there in favor of just limiting raid content with tokens for guilds with people who want to only play a few hours at a time. Sure beats endless poopsocking / alt camping imo.

h0tr0d (shaere)

07-14-2012, 01:18 AM

It's off topic forum right? Relax then people. The everquest community is small enough, we shouldn't be trashing others because they choose other servers.

Danyelle

07-14-2012, 02:17 AM

not luclin models like most of the other emu's (yuck)

Speaking of hating something based on one aspect. An aspect that can easily be turned off.

Also, P99 doesn't have Luclin models either. Unless you're referring to my 'patch' which isn't officially supported and is also easily turned on/off.

Flunklesnarkin

07-14-2012, 03:07 AM

Speaking of hating something based on one aspect. An aspect that can easily be turned off.

Also, P99 doesn't have Luclin models either. Unless you're referring to my 'patch' which isn't officially supported and is also easily turned on/off.

I think you missed the purpose of my post.. you would be right in the fact that I'm not completely unbiased and I do hate aspects of games.

My point is that just because you hate an aspect of a game doesn't automatically make it suck.. as you seem to be a proponent for luclin models proving what I was saying. (i dont like them but you do)

On another note, one aspect I never understood about P99 though is how its closed source.

My view on these emu projects is they should all be supporting each other in creating great content that caters to a variety of different likes/desires. Not trying to jam everybody into one server.

I can understand the fears about losing population.. but they have lost way more active players overtime just from the way the server is crowded at the top.

It also is kind of a philosophical thing too i suppose, I mean they are on one hand using as a basis for this server code that was written by Sony, then on the other hand saying nobody should have access to it but them.

More people working on servers means more people fixing code, modifying it, figuring out how it works and improving it in the different ways that the various interests want.

I think that velious server intends to release its source when it gets out of beta.

Danyelle

07-14-2012, 03:24 AM

On another note, one aspect I never understood about P99 though is how its closed source.

My view on these emu projects is they should all be supporting each other in creating great content that caters to a variety of different likes/desires. Not trying to jam everybody into one server.

I can understand the fears about losing population.. but they have lost way more active players overtime just from the way the server is crowded at the top.

It also is kind of a philosophical thing too i suppose, I mean they are on one hand using as a basis for this server code that was written by Sony, then on the other hand saying nobody should have access to it but them.

More people working on servers means more people fixing code, modifying it, figuring out how it works and improving it in the different ways that the various interests want.

I think that velious server intends to release its source when it gets out of beta.

I do agree with this part 100%. It does kind irk me that they have gotten things working on here (corpses retaining illusions, items unequiped from npc corpses when looted, npc pets staying up when owner dies and having a loottable. And more) that still works on Live TODAY, and they keep it from the rest of the EQEmu community (which supports the server, and of which Rogean has a decent position in I might add) which doesn't have any of that working yet.

Not that I don't appreciate the devs and what they do. But seems kinda off that they would withhold that bit of the code. I can understand certain parts of it, I can also totally understand not releasing the database etc (which would enable someone to create a direct clone of P99 to compete etc) but to withhold tiny snippets of code and game functions like that? Why? Honestly from my perspective it implies they don't want to assist EQEmu in growth, or maybe even fetter it.

Flunklesnarkin

07-14-2012, 05:28 AM

They're concern about sharing the project code also leads to one of my biggest gripes about the project.

They don't have enough GM's for the population they have.

At least half of the gm responses on the forum have some complaint about a "backlog of petitions" or "the IP exemption thread being backed up" or them just being busy irl in general.

Not that they shouldn't have a real life.. but there are plenty of people out there who would be willing to pick up the slack.

they always say they are getting more guides.. but guides aren't what they need.. they need people who can fix problems.. not just observe and report to the already busy staff that they have.

another layer of bureaucracy that doesn't lessen the work load any. powerless "middle managers" aren't going to solve any problems imo.

tops419

07-14-2012, 01:31 PM

The code definitely needs to be released. There's alot of bashing on Sony for the same reason. I'd love to see some more servers using P1999's code. The server right now is just too top heavy. For casuals like me, the only fun left is just leveling up enough to unlock some cool spells/abilites , selling off class-specific gear, rerolling another char. Rinse and repeat. It's getting old fast. A little more room at the top would be great. The only real exception to this is being a cleric where there's lots of room at the top, because they're so F'ing boring that anyone who has one, wishes they were playing something else.

nilbog

07-14-2012, 02:29 PM

So this thread was about another server which is being created by old p99 players. Cool. Off topic, kinda. It's still about an alternate eqemu classic pve server which could be considered direct competition. I don't care about that. Good luck to them!

Now, it's about what people think we should do with our source code and how we possibly 'fetter' the growth of eqemu. Are you kidding me? Since releasing p99, we brought new people to eqemu. If they choose to play here or elsewhere is their business.

I have no problem with To0p or anyone else building a server. I do have a problem with people telling us what to do with our hobby. The goal of eqemu's stock code is to mimic eqlive; not classic eq. We have put tons of work into the server and a lot of that work isn't even desirable to eqemu itself. At this point, the source, the database, and to an extent the perl scripts are all proprietary. EQemu has been around since 2002. I joined the eqemu community in 2007 as a player and started developing in 2008. In that time, we somehow have something everyone thinks everyone else should have? Huh, wonder why.

Where I think you are very wrong is that releasing our source changes would bolster eqemu. Source contributions made by less than 5 developers are somehow stopping everyone else from succeeding? They always had, and still have the opportunity to make these changes, but do not. I'll tell you exactly what would happen. There would suddenly be 10-20 new servers all with no boxing, 1 boxing, 2 boxing, and every minor change imaginable. That would fracture the existing players into multiple corners where there would be no general consensus of what should be happening. The truth of the matter is consolidating work into a specific area and working towards a specific goal yields results.

Open source: It always sounds good in principle, but that's certainly not always the case. I wouldn't have needed to create project1999, because it would have already been done by a community which worked better being completely open source.

tl;dr: Turning this off topic thread into what you think is wrong with p99 is not cool. If you're going to use bandwidth of a server to complain about that server, take your gripes to the appropriate area of that server's forums. Or, better yet, keep it to yourself. The fucked up complaining I read here was definitely not 'off topic'.

Flunklesnarkin

07-14-2012, 02:49 PM

I'm sorry if you took anything I said as an attack on the project. I have said, in this thread even, that I think P99 has great potential. I was hoping what I was saying was coming out as constructive criticism but its hard to set tone across the internet.

and I think we both may be going to extremes in our descriptions about releasing all the code or not releasing any of it.. danyelle probably has the right of it with targeted help for other emu's for stuff that doesn't affect the proprietary nature of P99 (ie code that still works on live today).

I don't really consider the competition aspect between emu servers because people can play on multiple emus at a time and P99 really is top heavy (I'm not exaggerating there).

but you are right this should be about the new server and explaining what it is to others so I'll stay on that track in the future.

New velious server isn't huge pop atm.. the ooc channel is a global chat channel

they have a list of beta tasks they are testing out and trying to fix, there are bugs out there and things that need to be adjusted but they are working on them. The server is smooth and lag free.

From reading over on their forums, after they get velious out they intend to work on luclin and I'm not sure after that. but anybody who has a character on the test server will keep the character and they will launch a "live" server when its ready.. and keep the test server (no wipe) for testing new code snippets.

For all those items that were removed before velious like mana stones, rubicite, etc.. they will let it be available for a short time after server goes up.

h0tr0d (shaere)

07-14-2012, 03:38 PM

well said!

Flunklesnarkin

07-15-2012, 03:53 PM

Hailto

07-15-2012, 09:06 PM

formallydickman

07-15-2012, 10:00 PM

well said!

^ Well said!

Danyelle

07-15-2012, 10:02 PM

Nilbog you just nailed it spot on. Please don't ever give in to pressure from other developers. As you said it would completely dilute the community as there would be 10 different "classic" servers up all with a population of 50 people on each.

There was a complete misinterpretation of what I posted that you also seem to be following. I PMed nilbog with a clarification and apology for any unintended offense my post may have generated, to avoid further derailment of this thread. Whether he read it or not, I can't say. Either way, let's leave it at that and keep back on topic.

Cosette

07-17-2012, 12:39 AM

If you want SoV so badly, why not just play on p99 where SoV will actually be accurate?

Apologies. A little late to the show here. But out of curiosity, how can we assume p99's SoV is going to be "actually accurate" in comparison to EpicEmu when they indeed hold the EverQuest Classic fucking lexicon?

http://epicemu.com/img/eqholygrail.jpg

Although it's new and not yet renowned as a legitimate classic EQ server, it doesn't mean those working on it aren't capable of making it just as accurate as P99.

However, only time will tell for sure.

I'm sure the creators of P99 were in the same boat at one point.

Nizzarr

07-17-2012, 02:04 AM

so a bunch of printed up allakazham pages and eqatlas pages? thats the velious lexicon?

Wow theyre holding GOLD right there!

Flunklesnarkin

07-17-2012, 02:12 AM

There is enough interest in velious "classic" eq for 2 servers imo.

P99 isn't completely classic or will it be.. hence the term emulate. They strive to be classic but it's not going to be completely attainable.

To be fair though, the sleeper server won't be completely classic either. I think it will be a little less classic in some aspects but a little more classic in other aspects.

P99 would be more classic because the sleeper is going to do Hot Zones.

The sleeper would be more classic because of stuff like say the enchanter exp pet nerf. It won't be in the game, but it is on P99. The enchanter pet exp nerf was a Planes of Power fix.

There are many other differences that it would take forever to list them all. Needless to say, the two servers won't be the same and I consider them both a different take on classic eq, neither being fully classic.

They do seem to be more open to changing stuff in classic that would be considered a fix .. ie something like "well a monster was stuck in a wall in classic and had retarded pathing, so it should remain as such until the appropriate patch in the time line occurred."

The sleeper will have the benefit of past experience though, ie nobody will be able to exploit the plat creation bug to sink the game economy.

The sleeper is going to be fun when it opens (who doesn't like new servers, heck I think P99 could more than double its pop if they ran a second blue server)..

but the dark horse in the "classic" eq race will be the EQClassic project that everybody seems to forget.

Sure its been in development for years and some probably consider it vaporware, but its making progress and Its getting done and there updates and new code written each week. (last I checked their progress bar thing it looked about done). It's actually cracking the packets of classic data and reverse engineering it, as opposed to every other emulated server that is just modifying a version of eq to make it classic-ish.

My hope is the two servers don't try to become the same exact thing.. they need to differentiate themselves. and the plans for the sleeper to go to luclin after a server vote / waiting period seems to already make them different enough to justify its existence to me.

P99 would be cool if after velious is all out.. they release side-grade armor / weapons with custom classic-ish content. While the sleeper moves on to luclin.

Cosette

07-17-2012, 02:40 AM

so a bunch of printed up allakazham pages and eqatlas pages? thats the velious lexicon?

Wow theyre holding GOLD right there!

.....What?

Ooh, honey.. Noo. All I am saying is EpicEmu allegedly has a series of printed documents from Classic to SoV that were printed during its time. As we know, not all Alla and EQTraders information are just as they were back in the day. Some of it has been modified to keep up with the growth of EverQuest over the years.

Does this book make EpicEmu the jesusgod of Classic EQ emulating? Well, no. It doesn't.

I simply asked this: what constitutes "actually accurate", and why are some making the assumption that EpicEmu does not have the capability to be "accurate"? What does P99 have that they don't?

They had their sources, and I'm sure EpicEmu does as well. And like I said, only time will tell. But in the meantime, there's no reason for everyone to be so upset about it. It's just a server.

Cosette

07-17-2012, 02:46 AM

The sleeper is going to be fun when it opens (who doesn't like new servers, heck I think P99 could more than double its pop if they ran a second blue server)..

but the dark horse in the "classic" eq race will be the EQClassic project that everybody seems to forget.

Appreciate the mature, kind response. I didn't come here to step on any toes. I'm just wondering why people seem so offended by EpicEmu.

Unfortunately, you're right. No server will ever match up to the real EQ classic. And a LOT of that is because it's 2012 now, and many of us are here for the nostalgia. Much of the magic from EQ classic has left us as we've grown up, no matter what age we started playing. Raiding Kael for me at age 23 will never be like raiding Kael was at 12, and killing crocs on P99 wasn't like how it was when I was 10 either.

EpicEmu is starting in Velious to appeal to those who miss oldschool Velious. You can visit in in present day EQ and in other emulated servers, but its hard to find a similar classic version. Because P99 already offered Classic and Kunark, I believe EpicEmu just wanted to do something different. They don't mean to be malicious and take over so much as just offer something old, but new that may spark interest in some people. :)