Regarding Ogres being stunned

[nilbog]

I found this on an old page:

Frontal Stun Immunity
When facing the enemy, you can’t be stunned by normal melee. However, you can still be stunned by spells with stun effects.

--==Extra Info on Stun Immunity By Ugli Itchibottom==--
Ogres can not be stunned in PvP melee. Period. Not from the front, not from behind, not even from behind with slam/bash. Most NPCs bashing can only stun them from behind. Exceptions are giant class MOBs, which includes giants of course, and cyclops, as well as sarnaks and Drolvargs in Kunark, and wurms/wyverns/dragons. Giant class mobs even get a chance to interrupt with normal hits, not just bashes. Other mobs can *ONLY* stun Ogres from behind with bash. PCs can not stun them except with spells.
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http://www.notacult.com/guide_trollshaman.html


What of this works, and what does not?

Discuss specifics of giant sized npcs stunning with normal hits.

[Metallikus]

That guy's info is not entirely correct or else these guys arguing are incorrect:

http://crucible.samanna.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4393&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Theres even specific references to Chardok Royals area sarnaks not penetrating ogre stun immunity.

I can't find any references other than that troll's propaganda that would disinclude giant npcs from penetrating the frontal bash immunity.

I do, however, think there is a missing mechanic on p99, and that would be NPC MELEE PUSH. There isn't enough of it and that may account for ogre shamans being interupted by larger mobs.

also here:

http://samanna.net/3u/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3030&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

"Play an Ogre shaman for a while.. you'll see the frontal immunity is not as great as you may think. The problem is most of the shit out there use spell stuns avoiding the immunity.

Frontal immunity is nice tho when you are tanking crap in the face (at least I heard), maybe if you're doing Vindi solo or something, otherwise not too useful.. Stuns have killed me maybe twice in the last 4 years, and both times it was running away from something in pofire.. I guess I could have ran backwards if I was an ogre.. "

ogre shamans tanking Vindi solo heh...

from the steel warrior:

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7190&page=2

again, an ogre suprised to finally be stunned from the front by random POP mob for the first time (procing stun spell of course).

"nothing in front of you can stun you except when it's a spell/proc (go try sonic bats in solb..good old bats)."

[Giovanni]

"Ogres can not be stunned in PvP melee. Period. Not from the front, not from behind, not even from behind with slam/bash."

Slam stuns ogres from the rear on red99.

[Asher]

"Ogres can not be stunned in PvP melee. Period. Not from the front, not from behind, not even from behind with slam/bash."

Slam stuns ogres from the rear on red99.

How often do you find yourself slamming ogres from the rear?

sorry.

Asher

[Nirgon]

Here's some logs of giant sized npcs stunning players with normal attacks:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100861

Also has evidence of mobs being able to do more damage on their bashes.

[Jokesteve]

Only spells should be able to stun an ogre from the front.

[Nirgon]

Yeah I agree with that.

The ongoing investigation by me right now is:

1. red con mobs should stun you (see the 2000 post I found that Nilbog used before with Forsaken revs in Hate)
2. Mobs immune to stun effects should always have a chance to stun on a melee hit

Sounds bout right..