View Full Version : No more excuses
Rushmore
06-22-2012, 09:30 PM
Just got 2% off a kill at level 40. No more excuses.
Galilao
06-22-2012, 09:31 PM
6 levels to nihilum invite dog stick with it
lethdar
06-22-2012, 09:47 PM
Rushmore in full desperate return to box mode, embarrassing.
Rushmore
06-22-2012, 10:23 PM
better than trading my toon and playing on Blue.
Tr0llb0rn
06-22-2012, 10:30 PM
better than trading my toon and playing on Blue.
Rushmore does have a point......
lethdar
06-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Oh man he mad, also dumb for thinking I play on blue.
they dont undertstand the pizza game
Snufz
06-22-2012, 10:54 PM
Lethdar known bluebie confirmed by rushmore dual wielding warrior pvp god.
Lucky
06-22-2012, 11:09 PM
real pizza trade
hagard
06-23-2012, 12:22 AM
Rushmore in full desperate return to box mode, embarrassing.
Why would anyone want to play a pvp server with a pop of 30? 20 of them being nilly
MrSparkle001
06-23-2012, 12:41 AM
Why would anyone want to play a pvp server with a pop of 30? 20 of them being nilly
Wipe it and see what happens. At the worst the 30 people that play regularly will stop playing which let's be honest is not a loss, and at best the server is revived.
SearyxTZ
06-23-2012, 05:07 AM
If the majority of reds at some point can agree to stop declaring this dead/trolling/etc and want to actually play here, I'm willing to do my part.
If people are content with LoZ though then I kinda get that too and don't rly care anyway. It's whatever at this point. If a semi-active red server is not in the cards then I'll just keep playing other stuff.
lethdar
06-23-2012, 09:21 AM
First step to people considering playing this server is GM communication. There are no indications that this has changed.
Tr0llb0rn
06-23-2012, 11:09 AM
First step to people considering playing this server is GM communication. There are no indications that this has changed.
No More Excuses
Sektor
06-23-2012, 12:06 PM
First step to people considering playing this server is GM communication. There are no indications that this has changed.
Should be hanging with me Lethdar, you will have fun.
Rushmore
06-23-2012, 12:20 PM
Why would anyone want to play a pvp server with a pop of 30? 20 of them being nilly
The Challenge maybe!?! Why play on EZ69 where there are only 20-30 people playing? And it's poorly coded. Where people are already using exploits to there advantage.
Tumdumm
06-23-2012, 12:41 PM
exp is too easy
scale it down plz
nah for real tho i still have so much fun everyday & im not even nilly
Tr0llb0rn
06-23-2012, 01:34 PM
The Challenge maybe!?! Why play on EZ69 where there are only 20-30 people playing? And it's poorly coded. Where people are already using exploits to there advantage.
very true
Tr0llb0rn
06-23-2012, 01:41 PM
revert r99 code back to where pets charmed or not gives you full xp with a group mate out of zone, make mage swords proc 2857295870235 per fight again, and the pop might shoot up from 14 to 16.
just tossing some ideas out there to help yall out.
No More Excuses
nilbog
06-23-2012, 02:08 PM
Exp is fast. Server working great.
I'm gonna agree with ...
http://www.tunafishy.com/uploads/3/5/8/9/3589885/6623322.jpg?713
nilbog
06-23-2012, 02:43 PM
no question server is working great
alive and thriving
thank you for providing us this free service!
You're welcome, reverse troll!
As I said, the server is working great. At this point, if the main complaint is the communication between GMs and players, that has nothing to do with the server itself.
If your objective was to decrease the playerbase through unnecessary yammering, then subsequently complain about the lack of players, then job well done!
Gongshow
06-23-2012, 02:48 PM
I just took a huge shit and named it Red99.
nilbog
06-23-2012, 02:52 PM
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Galilao
06-23-2012, 02:54 PM
If your objective was to decrease the playerbase through unnecessary yammering, then subsequently complain about the lack of players, then job well done!
I don't think it's realistic to assume anything on these forums actually stop people from playing,
"Oh sweet an EQ pvp server! Oh wait some guy I don't know on the forums said he doesn't like it never mind guess I won't play"
Tons of people quit because between the griefing and classic features like exp and no YT (I like both, I didn't quit until pop got below 40 average players) and then the rest quit because of super low population.
A lot of the stuff needed to save the server (increased exp, global ooc) were put in like 4 months too late and all those people had already moved on.
Galilao
06-23-2012, 02:56 PM
Honestly I think teams would have reduced the griefing due to alot of people starting to play with out a pre-packaged crew and just getting griefed to shit (happened to me on 2 diff characters) by entire guilds or crews.
nilbog
06-23-2012, 02:58 PM
If the "needed features" were implemented, albeit late, then why are there complaints about it now in unrelated threads.
Is the mission to get the remaining players to quit, or just troll pvp server chat threads?
If the people complaining do not play, then they should gtfo or restrict their posts to pvp rants and flames. Pretty simple to me.
I'm tired of seeing every pvp thread turn into the same discussion from the same 5-10 people. If people aren't being helpful in server chat, they are going to be removed. qq.
Galilao
06-23-2012, 03:03 PM
Valid point, I'll try to quit posting in the red section since it is such a tornado of negativity I'm currently enjoying myself on blue and will gladly come back to red if the population ever picks up again and stays consistent.
Thanks for both servers!
hagard
06-23-2012, 03:04 PM
The Challenge maybe!?! Why play on EZ69 where there are only 20-30 people playing? And it's poorly coded. Where people are already using exploits to there advantage.
There is no pvp on d99
Tr0llb0rn
06-23-2012, 03:31 PM
There is no pvp on d99
want pvp? Naggy/Vox up today, see you in solB and Permafrost.
"but we need more dev posts!" well you just got some.
next excuse please? There is only one left "but Nihilum beat us for 8 months straight so we are butthurt".
No More Excuses
Lazortag
06-23-2012, 03:40 PM
You don't need the staff to communicate with you unless there's some glaring problem with the server that you need to communicate with them about. The only problem people cite is lack of communication. What do you want to communicate with the devs about that isn't already fixed?
Galilao
06-23-2012, 03:41 PM
Problem is no one is playing, isn't it obvious.
PhantomRogue
06-23-2012, 03:47 PM
If the "needed features" were implemented, albeit late, then why are there complaints about it now in unrelated threads.
Is the mission to get the remaining players to quit, or just troll pvp server chat threads?
If the people complaining do not play, then they should gtfo or restrict their posts to pvp rants and flames. Pretty simple to me.
I'm tired of seeing every pvp thread turn into the same discussion from the same 5-10 people. If people aren't being helpful in server chat, they are going to be removed. qq.
The mission is to get more than 20 people playing on Saturday.
The Harder part about that mission is that most of those who quit, are now playing on red69.
So IF, you want the server to survive (and by survive, I don't mean a Nihilum sandbox), you NEED to do something to lure those folks who quit, back into the fold.
The fact that there never seems to be an actual response, or a poll or something to try to get these 10,000 posts about bullshit "red dead" to stop, just proves that NO ONE CARES. At least no one that matters.
PoSky was going to do NOTHING to lure people back (proven already by the fact population still hasn't changed) and that content is NOT king (go choke on those words Dullah and Tr0llb0rn and I hope they taste like shit).
You want these posts to stop?
Do something. Make a sticky to either say, You are happy with the population being 20 on a weekend, and those of us who actually care can just go put 127.0.0.1 www.project1999.org into our hosts file. Or at least acknowledge that the server is not where you want it, and that ideas are being thrown around on what to do.
There are plenty of people who are on IRC and in the forums who aren't 200lb bags of dicks and can get a good conversation going about how we can get this server up to where it should be, population wise.
Either come out and say you are happy with the server being where its at. Or at least acknowledge that the server needs something (whatever that something is, can be discussed, but the sheer absence of talk is a joke).
s1ckness
06-23-2012, 03:50 PM
First step to people considering playing this server is GM communication. There are no indications that this has changed.
heartbrand
06-23-2012, 03:55 PM
The problem with what you said is that people most likely won't come back in one huge wave. What then happens is a few people return at a time, see no one to PVP or exp with and just a vast ghost town and log. I really am skeptical of anything short of a wipe bringing a big enough wave of people at one time back where it can rebuild itself. Low pop is like a domino effect, the drop from sixty to twenty happened very quick but the uphill climb from twenty to hundred is almost impossible.
I don't want a wipe because of loots or these people won these people lost blah blah I want it because I see no other way to generate the interest in this server that will allow it to ever climb out of that hole. Kunark will be the same way. A dozen or so people return, see almost no one to group with, no options at the end game, no meaningful PVP, and log out. Re-release this server with all the changes that have been made with either kunark at launch or one month of classic max. Police the boards after that, create a server honor code like on 69 where people allow LnS, keep certain unnamed GMs as far as way as possible from this server and take a much less active role in policing raid PVP. Finally, set resists at least on MR spells to the way they actually were in classic. Profit with high pop and lots of fun.
s1ckness
06-23-2012, 03:58 PM
id only play if i got PMs from some of my close pals, saying they will play again
Galilao
06-23-2012, 04:00 PM
Pleading for a wipe? Better uses for your time man, that's never going to happen.
heartbrand
06-23-2012, 04:08 PM
Personally I'm not sure if I'd ever really get invested in EQ again at this point. But if we're going to have a candid conversation about the population problem, it is my firm belief that a wipe or a "reboot" a "fresh start" however you want to market it, is the only way to ever see the pop reach meaningful numbers again. But I guess people can keep hoping that a hundred people all return to the server at the same time, just like I hope the bank teller gives me a hundred grand by accident. Or just make a second box, raise donations for it and keep this one up. I don't see the big deal personally, this box will die with velious because it's pop will not support the raids. With nothing left to do the server will completely fizzle out so why wait until then with the server already on a path for death instead of being pro-active and doing something about it now?
I would like this server to work, I just see no possible way other than this, if someone else does please enlighten me.
Galilao
06-23-2012, 04:12 PM
Release Kunark ASAp it's the only chance left and the longer you wait the less people will care.
heartbrand
06-23-2012, 04:18 PM
You can redo a restaurant, fix what was wrong get a better chef etc etc but once people had those original hockey pucks you called steaks, short of a kitchen nightmares episode you are fucked. Gotta change that restaurant name and rebrand it.
This is not rocket science, it has played out countless times in the mmorpg industry where a game comes out too early and by the time the changes that are needed are made everyone has already vanished except the few diehards who aren't enough to support the game. Only difference is this game has the potential to be relaunched as a new experience people are willing to relive because of the mystique of EQ.
mycutie
06-23-2012, 05:06 PM
HB your such a genius.. i want you to Control Red99 dude... but please dont make it easier then Red 69 :) keep it 1999 style.. no WoW shit please..
mycutie
06-23-2012, 05:12 PM
dont worry guys.. Red69 is hella Weak.. eventually some of them will realize how easy that shit is.. i htink my 6 year old cousin can conquer red69.. its not a challenge what so ever... the nerds think there getting pvp when therek illing the same 5Boxers hahahahahahahahahahahaha. . RED99 FOR THE LIFE!! thanks GMs for providing us this free server :) /klick Donate Button.
Tr0llb0rn
06-23-2012, 05:55 PM
/klick Donate Button.
+1
Rushmore
06-23-2012, 06:01 PM
Release Kunark ASAp it's the only chance left and the longer you wait the less people will care.
Maybe' but the real reason is there are too many pussy-ass faggots that can't compete.. Rather won't compete.
No More Excuses!
Galilao
06-23-2012, 06:13 PM
Reported for insults outside RnF.
Also I played a shitload and never saw you in-game, guess you only like red servers when they are devoid of pvp.
PhantomRogue
06-23-2012, 06:33 PM
Release Kunark ASAp it's the only chance left and the longer you wait the less people will care.
Just like Sky was supposed to bring people back (which it did, for the double XP weekend, then it bottomed again).
Just like SolRo and the other Planes.
Just like all content, it doesn't bring people in, it keeps people away.
PhantomRogue
06-23-2012, 06:38 PM
Saw 29 people on Red99. Thought... wow, there may be some people playing...
Nihilum is raiding Fear with 25.
False alarm.
Project Nihilum Sandbox 1999
Rushmore
06-23-2012, 06:40 PM
Reported for insults outside RnF.
Also I played a shitload and never saw you in-game, guess you only like red servers when they are devoid of pvp.
Wasn't directed at you! Unless your forum and in game name is something different... And I know you. Other wise see rules on pussy-ass faggots.
Rushmore
06-23-2012, 06:41 PM
Saw 29 people on Red99. Thought... wow, there may be some people playing...
Nihilum is raiding Fear with 25.
False alarm.
Project Nihilum Sandbox 1999
Do something about it. No More Excuses.
Tr0llb0rn
06-23-2012, 06:48 PM
Saw 29 people on Red99. Thought... wow, there may be some people playing...
Nihilum is raiding Fear with 25.
False alarm.
Project Nihilum Sandbox 1999
then log in and be part of the solution?
No More Excuses
Zithax
06-23-2012, 06:49 PM
Didn't even know people posted in p99 PVP section. No More Excuses. Garagebox. Etc.
SearyxTZ
06-23-2012, 07:00 PM
Rush I think most people have switched to LoZ at this point.
When this server is considered better / more appealing than its competition, people will come back.
MrSparkle001
06-23-2012, 07:08 PM
I've been on red69, and from what I've heard people just don't want the classic XP rate. Even right now people are complaining that there's some sort of XP nerf that's making it feel like p99's rate.
There's no way anyone will return to r99 with a low XP rate. It's not gonna happen. It's not what people want. Kunark might bring a few back (including myself, I want to resurrect my SZ iksar and it's one of the reasons I'm playing there today since it just released Kunark) but let's face the truth here: Slow XP means very low pop, and one guild making up almost all the pop won't entice others to return.
I wish I knew what caused the mass exodus to begin with. I wasn't around when it happened. When I built my new comp back in early December the server was still going strong, but I never bothered to install EQ on it because I was busy with Skyrim, Battlefield 3 and other games I couldn't run on my old comp.
What caused the mass exodus?
MrSparkle001
06-23-2012, 07:14 PM
Mr Sparkles was Summer Roberts' play Horse in the OC
Bet you didn't know that.
Nope didn't know that. Who the hell is Summer Roberts? :)
http://videosift.com/video/MR-SPARKLE-Simpsons-parody-surreal-Japanese-commercials
MrSparkle001
06-23-2012, 07:26 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5SVxb1ZjRNU/Tii5-ckb_SI/AAAAAAAAB9A/kfo8hjREWjE/s400/rachel%2Bbilson.jpg
how the fuck do i post a pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5SVxb1ZjRNU/Tii5-ckb_SI/AAAAAAAAB9A/kfo8hjREWjE/s400/rachel%2Bbilson.jpg
She's almost as hot as your sig. I know that show now. Never watched it.
hagard
06-23-2012, 09:09 PM
want pvp? Naggy/Vox up today, see you in solB and Permafrost.
"but we need more dev posts!" well you just got some.
next excuse please? There is only one left "but Nihilum beat us for 8 months straight so we are butthurt".
No More Excuses
lol when you gonna put it down bro, worse than crack
Cwall
06-23-2012, 10:34 PM
red69 devs actually are on all the time and respond to petitions nearly immediately
that's why i play there
s1ckness
06-23-2012, 10:49 PM
need velious
Rushmore
06-23-2012, 11:47 PM
Rush I think most people have switched to LoZ at this point.
When this server is considered better / more appealing than its competition, people will come back.
Always respected Searyx....even when mobs were Searyx'ed. You're right! But the only reason they've switched is because they choose not to compete anymore. They've quit. The real server is Red99 other servers are just pretenders. This is our only hope at a properly coded Velious Box. They've stopped playing because there cowards. The real legends of the past 5 years would ban together and do something about Nihilium.
There is a 100 people standing around the pool just waiting on the legend to jump in. Once he jumps they all jump.
No More Excuses!
hagard
06-23-2012, 11:53 PM
Always respected Searyx....even when mobs were Searyx'ed. You're right! But the only reason they've switched is because they choose not to compete anymore. They've quit. The real server is Red99 other servers are just pretenders. This is our only hope at a properly coded Velious Box. They've stopped playing because there cowards. The real legends of the past 5 years would ban together and do something about Nihilium.
There is a 100 people standing around the pool just waiting on the legend to jump in. Once he jumps they all jump.
No More Excuses!
so much funnies in this post, keep up the good work, retard
lethdar
06-24-2012, 02:09 AM
Always respected Searyx....even when mobs were Searyx'ed. You're right! But the only reason they've switched is because they choose not to compete anymore. They've quit. The real server is Red99 other servers are just pretenders. This is our only hope at a properly coded Velious Box. They've stopped playing because there cowards. The real legends of the past 5 years would ban together and do something about Nihilium.
There is a 100 people standing around the pool just waiting on the legend to jump in. Once he jumps they all jump.
No More Excuses!
Kicked out of church again? Man you're off the deep end.
Dullah
06-24-2012, 02:54 AM
I lol every time I see people throwing up this diversionary bullshit.
Oh, its not about content, "see how this raiding content did nothing for the numbers." Dumbass, no one thinks raid content is going to boost the population at this point, we've been asking for ALL the planes to be pushed early since PoF so we can move to kunark where the general population has something to do again. Hundreds of players were 50 before february and had every non-raid item from classic. After legacy was removed (content), the population dropped by another 30% as there was again nothing to fight over except raid content. The only people who stayed around were raiders, and 1 after another left ashamed with sore hind parts.
^a diversion from the fact that its not about what you said, m0ar exp!!11 Exp boosted 200% and now static +50%, still did nothing, but now people keep talking about how kunark or velious need to be released and how "LoZ is better and will have kunark in the next 2 weeks". Thought it wasn't about content though...
Idiot.
Dullah
06-24-2012, 03:01 AM
ps. no more excuses
Slathar
06-24-2012, 03:24 AM
the bottom line is no one is going to come back to red99
either accept a population of 20 or don't play
Dullah
06-24-2012, 03:52 AM
Yet dozens, if not 100+ people read these forums daily.
Most are saving face, making excuses (no more excuses) for why they weren't defeated here, but rather have some personal problem with [insert bullshit excuse here]. Its obviously a bunch of crap, because most of you are willing to wade through 10x the bugs and bullshit on LoZ. So really, you just want a box that appeals to a bunch of casuals you can beat and restore that sense of superiority and pride you had crushed on r99. Unfortunately, you know you failed to beat the "losers that still play on r99", the legit classic pvp server, so you just gotta keep comin' back.
I pity you.
Log in.
...or dont.
No more excuses.
jjgerman
06-24-2012, 03:54 AM
Magic Resists
People still getting rooted with 120 MR?
Dullah
06-24-2012, 03:56 AM
Nope.
With 86 mr on one of my chars, I resist root about 8 or 9 times out of 10.
Unfortunately, this only holds true for root/snare, and not the rests of the impairment spells on the MR line that should be equally easy to resist.
jjgerman
06-24-2012, 04:28 AM
still gimped out then
Big Searyx please lead us to victory and the promised land.
taakyn
06-24-2012, 09:58 AM
After experiencing xp rates and pvp ( actually happens ) on loz, I will never come back to grind 99
Tr0llb0rn
06-24-2012, 10:17 AM
After experiencing xp rates and pvp ( actually happens ) on loz, I will never come back to grind 99
I bet you were so proud of yourself when you killed a dragon there huh?
"see guyz!!??? we ARE uber after all!"
MrSparkle001
06-24-2012, 11:05 AM
I've been on red69, and from what I've heard people just don't want the classic XP rate. Even right now people are complaining that there's some sort of XP nerf that's making it feel like p99's rate.
There's no way anyone will return to r99 with a low XP rate. It's not gonna happen. It's not what people want.
After experiencing xp rates and pvp ( actually happens ) on loz, I will never come back to grind 99
s1ckness
06-24-2012, 11:35 AM
i ONLY play when chuck does
I bet you were so proud of yourself when you killed a dragon there huh?
"see guyz!!??? we ARE uber after all!"
I don't play on either box, but people don't care about PvE accomplishments on that box bro...
hagard
06-24-2012, 12:54 PM
After experiencing xp rates and pvp ( actually happens ) on loz, I will never come back to grind 99
/signed
hagard
06-24-2012, 01:08 PM
Yet dozens, if not 100+ people read these forums daily.
p99 forums general eq forums most who post here don't play here
Tradesonred
06-24-2012, 02:29 PM
Personally I'm not sure if I'd ever really get invested in EQ again at this point. But if we're going to have a candid conversation about the population problem, it is my firm belief that a wipe or a "reboot" a "fresh start" however you want to market it, is the only way to ever see the pop reach meaningful numbers again. But I guess people can keep hoping that a hundred people all return to the server at the same time, just like I hope the bank teller gives me a hundred grand by accident. Or just make a second box, raise donations for it and keep this one up. I don't see the big deal personally, this box will die with velious because it's pop will not support the raids. With nothing left to do the server will completely fizzle out so why wait until then with the server already on a path for death instead of being pro-active and doing something about it now?
I would like this server to work, I just see no possible way other than this, if someone else does please enlighten me.
Why would wiping the server change anything? It would be worse IMO. I for one, would quit for good. Im not ready to grind another toon to 50 unless I have my other 50 i worked for to help my lowbie group, drop him gear etc...
Now we all have our take on why the server didnt grow and in fact shriveled up to what it is now after a while. You all know mine, that xp loss in pvp was helping Zergs and griefers have their way on the server, while massively toning down the quantity of pvp to be had on the way up and even at 50, where people dont pvp because of the xp loss sting. This made the server boring compared to what people can remember from the constant pvp happening on Rallos in 2001-02.
Im still thinking of playing again on red99, but not unless what ive been talking about forever is taken seriously. This is not a threat, like "If you dont do what i say, i wont play on your server" its a reflection that i wont be investing any more hours into a game that demands it, if I know that the end result will be a dead server. We all know the end result will be a dead server, but it could last for a long time if done right.
Once again, heres what i think the server needs:
- Either removing xp loss in PVP or that the xp is fast enough that you can die 20 times a day and not care too much about the PVE consequences. Yes, surprise surprise, people play a PVP server to PVP. Wether you devs get or not that "a FPS style server" is what made Rallos great will probably determine if the server ever resurrects or not. This is not Eve online. Zone control is boring the way its done right now. There is not enough complexity in EQ1 to warrant having to gauge for an hour if you should engage a group or not, such as what is needed in eve online. Some balance is needed on PVP time and strategic time but i think it is way off.
- Put in item loot. 1 item per death. Patch in No drop gear from Halloween 2001 style events so that noobs stand a chance against twinks. Maybe patch in a lowbie tier, a mid tier and a top tier no drop item set so that Item loss is not the "OMG PEOPLE WILL QUIT" scarecrow people say it will be. It can actually make the server alot more interesting and engaging than it is right now.It will give noobs something to look forward to when they can at least stand a chance against twinks when not 4v1.
This will create an economy on lower tiered items, and will make noobs anticipate a juicy kill when they gang up on that annoying twink 4v1 and finally kill him.
- Hire a person who is down to create events such as the Halloween 2001 event. It doesnt have to be that complex. Just something to get all the levels together in one zone, where noobs can get buffed, get gear, and all the while people are killing event mobs and PVPing for them. These kinds of events will make the server way more fun than a 5v5 event, no offense to Amelinda who's been trying. It creates an organic style of pvp where anticipation builds up as people send each other tells like "Hey somethings going on in South Karana, named Cyclops are spawning".
Kunark will not change anything. More zones for less people. Some people will login for a while, new blood will be booted off the server by the twinks dominating the new starting zones and it will be back to low pop again.
Snufz
06-24-2012, 02:32 PM
Server needs wipe will boast population to 300+
Dullah
06-24-2012, 03:36 PM
illogical spam...
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Seriously, more forum real estate wasted by a guy who doesn't play, thats already level 50.
There are several hundred level 50s on this server, who easily reached 50 with pvp exp loss, and to whom exp loss presently means nothing. If exp loss is the main issue, why aren't they playing when exp doesn't matter? Logic obviously flawed.
I do agree however, though it certainly isn't in the "top 10" things that hurt the server. More so than now, pvp exp loss would be bad for the server in kunark with the grind to 60 (3% in 51-60 is an hour as opposed to a few minutes). If you really think about it though, item loot you claim to be in favor of would represent far more time lost than those 10-20 minutes of exp you claim to be of such importance from one pvp exp death. The argument just doesn't hold water.
Tradesonred
06-24-2012, 06:15 PM
Seriously, more forum real estate wasted by a guy who doesn't play, thats already level 50.
There are several hundred level 50s on this server, who easily reached 50 with pvp exp loss, and to whom exp loss presently means nothing. If exp loss is the main issue, why aren't they playing when exp doesn't matter? Logic obviously flawed.
I do agree however, though it certainly isn't in the "top 10" things that hurt the server. More so than now, pvp exp loss would be bad for the server in kunark with the grind to 60 (3% in 51-60 is an hour as opposed to a few minutes). If you really think about it though, item loot you claim to be in favor of would represent far more time lost than those 10-20 minutes of exp you claim to be of such importance from one pvp exp death. The argument just doesn't hold water.
I dont play cuz pop is dead and cuz i think server game mechanics will make it stay dead, doesnt mean i wouldnt come back if things got better.
I guess for a hardcore PVEer like yourself, who has no intention whatsoever to spend entire sessions pvping, xp loss in pvp is a non-issue. For a noob rolling on the server, thinking hell do some fun pvping on the way up, taking his time with good long sessions of pvp along the way, it will matter. Its not just about you. Even if hes a hardcore blubie like you and doesnt wanna pvp, xp loss will annoy the fuck out of him cuz hes not already on top and got nothing to twink his character with.
Item loss would make the server more interesting COUPLED WITH SETS OF NO DROP SETS. Important difference. You could also GAIN items by running around naked ganking twinks 4v1. As i explained.
The thing is, as some non-trolls will readily admit, i am not the best player (Ecoli the Shaman) but im not exactly the worst either. I may not kill that much, but ive done more than a few good escapes where i got triple my numbers on my ass and i escape. Even though I dont die that much, even as someone who did 80% pvp and 20% leveling on Rallos, dying a couple of times a day and having to regrind that shit gets old real quick.
This is not about me, me, me. Its about repopulating the server. I already got my shit. Ive played eve online and dealt with stuff that is 10X worse than xp loss on red99. With kunark, ill be able to camp the best items in the game alone and twink myself to hell. The point is im thinking about whats best for the server, what will make a newbie look around on the server and not log off after 2 days.
Its certainly not getting ganked over and over in field of bones for the lulz by a twink who has no gear on the line on his griefing alt and with his PL buddy who will make him gain that lost xp back in no time, unlike the noobs hes griefing.
Also the problem with this server is the shitty ass trolling community and people who think only of their (Griefing, MY PRECIOUS(pixels)!) fun and have no long term care about the health of the server. AKA no xp loss in pvp = more challenge to our PVE pixels, no hardcore griefing noobs out of the server. Unfortunatly, thats something devs have no control over. They do have control on the xp loss mechanic though, which im hoping they will come around to eventually.
Most proponents of xp loss in pvp are usually people who already know the game in and out, like Founding Fathers/Holocaust who like to get their lols griefing noobs off the server or PVEers who couldnt pvp themselves out of a wet paper bag to save their lives and do not want to let go of their number advantage.
I think i might have been so fucking annoying with this though that theres a chance they wont implement it to not let me "win" lol. Im like a pitbull they say
Dullah
06-24-2012, 07:15 PM
Strange that a bluebie like me has only played pvp/fps games for over a decade.
I'd gladly log in a pvp every day. Sad we can't find worthy opponents who can suck it up and log back on after they lose.
Also, when I pvp I don't die all the time like you. I can count the people who have 1v1 kills against me since lvl 50 on 1 hand, and it was usually done with lots of help from clickies.
Raiden
06-24-2012, 07:16 PM
Sad we can't find worthy opponents who can suck it up and log back on after they lose.
Yep all the hololosts got griefed off the server by us, we should have been more forgiving and let them win occassionally in hindsight lol
Rushmore
06-24-2012, 08:09 PM
EZ69 is in day two of Kunark and its a dupe fest. There's already 10+ TStaff's.
RED 99 is the only hope.
Server wipe would be messed up and would discourage existing invested players from returning.
SearyxTZ
06-24-2012, 08:22 PM
It would encourage the 348329432 players on the fence to play again if they were on an even playing field with everyone else and got to start fresh.
Nihilum won the server. If they do wipe they should stick teams in and cap guild size.
I cam here for the first time.. read everyone crying, and decided to give the server a shot.
My only concern is the xp loss for pvp death... We had item and coin loot back in the day, but no XP loss... Is that how it was before kunark?
Rushmore
06-24-2012, 08:36 PM
Wipe isn't necessary... Having some balls is!
40 Cleric looking for guild
Galilao
06-24-2012, 09:00 PM
6 more levels bro pixel heaven
lethdar
06-24-2012, 09:18 PM
Wipe isn't necessary... Having some balls is!
40 Cleric looking for guild
Thought you were getting 2% a kill at 40. That post was 3? days ago. You're telling us that you've been unable to kill the 17 mobs a day since that post to become a 41 cleric LFG?
There isn't much point levelling on a dead server tbh. I wish I hadn't wasted my time.
I hope this server will find a way to rejuvenate itself, because I think we would all like a genuine fun "classic pvp" experience.
I'm definitely not holding my breath waiting for it.
Tradesonred
06-25-2012, 01:57 AM
Strange that a bluebie like me has only played pvp/fps games for over a decade.
I'd gladly log in a pvp every day. Sad we can't find worthy opponents who can suck it up and log back on after they lose.
Also, when I pvp I don't die all the time like you. I can count the people who have 1v1 kills against me since lvl 50 on 1 hand, and it was usually done with lots of help from clickies.
I havent played in 4 months or so. Im willing to bet all my remaning plat that i can kill you, no matter what class you are. Im that convinced you are a bluebie who has a hard time pvping.
Dullah
06-25-2012, 02:21 AM
Log on right now, name the place. Shout in ooc, I'll be there in under 5.
taakyn
06-25-2012, 05:05 AM
I bet you were so proud of yourself when you killed a dragon there huh?
"see guyz!!??? we ARE uber after all!"
Not proud of anything I accomplish in Eq. its just a game to some of us nerd.
bilbobaggins
06-25-2012, 04:20 PM
Log on right now, name the place. Shout in ooc, I'll be there in under 5.
I WILL EQ ANYTIME, ANYWHERE.
BOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Tradesonred
06-25-2012, 05:36 PM
Log on right now, name the place. Shout in ooc, I'll be there in under 5.
Spell file is outdated, link on forum doesnt work.
Meet me in LOZ without your gear? LOLZ
Dullah
06-25-2012, 05:37 PM
Thats what I thought.
Tradesonred
06-25-2012, 06:37 PM
Thats what I thought.
lawl link me the file
Tr0llb0rn
06-25-2012, 06:53 PM
lawl link me the file
this quote is indicitive and goes to the root of the problem, lazy noobs who wanted everything handed to them on a silver plater, wanted everything ez and did not want to go out their way one inch
its why...
Computer, post the findings of my research
title: How to win Red99
query: /who all count
result: There are 20 players online.
query: /who all "Holocaust" count
result: There are 20 players online.
http://d37nnnqwv9amwr.cloudfront.net/photos/images/newsfeed/000/106/789/images.jpeg
Thank you, computer.
... turned out with the lazy punks getting griefed off the server and Nihilum's name instead flashing across the "you won" computer's screen.
Thank you, computer
bamzal
06-25-2012, 08:17 PM
please make resists classic and i will log in. that means not being stunned and rooted. period.
Nirgon
06-26-2012, 11:53 AM
I'll score one for Destin on calling someone out.
This might count as PvP, I'll have to confirm.
please make resists classic and i will log in. that means not being stunned and rooted. period.
Unless naked.
PhantomRogue
06-26-2012, 11:55 AM
please make resists classic and i will log in. that means not being stunned and rooted. period.
Then whats the point of those spells? Spells have to land, just have their durations capped on a player target (like every single MMO to date after EQ).
bamzal
06-26-2012, 12:32 PM
pve?
Dullah
06-26-2012, 12:56 PM
please make resists classic and i will log in. that means not being stunned and rooted. period.
Unless naked.
Or wearing no mr gear at all - no cheap crafted bracers, or neck, etc.
Basically the way MR applies to root now, just go ahead and apply it to stun, blind, slow, and so forth.
Then after that, make elemental resists so they don't scale up from no resist at 100, to 50% resist at 150, and of course there should be a great deal more randomness to how much is resisted, like on live.
Nirgon
06-26-2012, 01:05 PM
Naked -> unbuffed, no gear
But yeah, specifically no magic resist :P
Naked 50 warrior or erudite should be having a chance though like one in four stick? But can break early.
WTF AM I DOING STILL DISCUSSING THIS.
THE CHILD IS IMMERSED LORD HELP HIM.
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