Raid Mobs up for Grabs

[sanluen]

Project 1999,

We are all well aware of what raiding on this server is like. BDA started and has progressed as a casual raiding guild. We have been fortunate to have progressed as far as we have, and plan to continue doing so with this great group of friends we have built. We also know what it is like to be a casual guild on a server perpetually dominated by a few guilds at the very top. We hope that other guilds on P99 can continue to progress to higher content as well.

BDA does not believe in any way that we own rights to any raid mobs, but we are aware that we have a larger active raid force right now than most. We also want to see a new leaf turned for P99. As such, we are making the following decisions open and public. While we hope and expect that other guilds will be competing with us for all raid targets, we want to ensure that the raid content is spread across the server.

The following raid targets will be left alone by BDA indefinitely:

Nagafen
Vox
Dracoliche (standalone spawns)
Alternate Maestros (2nd, 4th, etc)
Noble Dojorn
Talendor
Second Faydedar
Second Severilous

The following raid targets will be left up for at least two hours after spawning for any other guilds to attempt. After that BDA will host an open joint raid with any guilds that wish to attend. The loot will be rolled on by all present raiders who can use the gear that dropps:

Second Trakanon (and Fourth pending spawn) (excluding teeth and guts)
Second Venril Sathir (Excluding Dru/Rng/Wiz epic items)
Second Innorruuk
Second Gorenaire

Again, BDA makes no claims of possession over any other raid target. We just hope that in the future more cooperation can be seen across the entire spectrum of guilds on Project 1999.

See you in game!

[Otur]

http://cheerskvaller.blogg.se/images/2011/cheer_145475946_153154926.jpg

[fadetree]

Nice! Much respect.

Full Circle hopes to join in with you soon on any joint raids.

In before angry tards post.

[Seaweedpimp]

go kill VP


or realize youre wasting time.

[Autotune]

finally a decent and well behaved #1 guild on p99. about damn time! good work BDA :)

Remember when VD had free reign while ib and tmo were raid suspended?

Remember how the other guilds bitched at VD for being assholes?

Wanna guess what happens with BDA and the other guilds?


/popcorn :)

[touchtonedialing]

Well that came out of no where. This will do nothing but good for the server.

[lilyanna]

Well played BDA :)

[Servellious]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

/popcorn :)

Do you microwave your popcorn or make your own?

[Callnoutthenewbs]

Remember when VD had free reign while ib and tmo were raid suspended?

Remember how the other guilds bitched at VD for being assholes?

Wanna guess what happens with BDA and the other guilds?


/popcorn :)

Take your butthurt drama queen bull elsewhere

[Lazortag]

The following raid targets will be left up for at least two hours after spawning for any other guilds to attempt. After that BDA will host an open joint raid with any guilds that wish to attend. The loot will be rolled on by all present raiders who can use the gear that dropps:

Second Trakanon (and Fourth pending spawn) (excluding teeth and guts)
Second Venril Sathir (Excluding Dru/Rng/Wiz epic items)
Second Innorruuk
Second Gorenaire

Again, BDA makes no claims of possession over any other raid target. We just hope that in the future more cooperation can be seen across the entire spectrum of guilds on Project 1999.

See you in game!

By "Second ..." you mean alternating spawns I guess? I'm just a bit confused by this terminology. Also how will other guilds know when a spawn is uncontested? Apart from those minor things I'm glad to see this, thanks Sanluen.

[Safon]

Interesting tactic in BDA's fight against TMO. Go for the public opinion/image win, get increased recruitment and support as a result. Things getting interesting!

/popcorn

[Toehammer]

Remember when VD had free reign while ib and tmo were raid suspended?

Remember how the other guilds bitched at VD for being assholes?

Wanna guess what happens with BDA and the other guilds?


/popcorn :)

someone's paTROLLing these boards :D

[Alarti0001]

Whai no cazic thule ! Lol

[achtung]

"cooperating" for 90 man dragon kills should be fun for about 2 weeks, so I guess the timing is appropriate.

[Autotune]

Interesting tactic in BDA's fight against TMO. Go for the public opinion/image win, get increased recruitment and support as a result. Things getting interesting!

/popcorn

no, most of BDA (real BDA) are good people. I don't think this is a tactic, however they of all people should know how this plays out. They were one of the guilds that bitched about VD when the shoes were on the other feet.

[Blotto]

Inc TMO goons.

[Seaweedpimp]

TMO GOON # 901 REPORTING

[sanluen]

By "Second ..." you mean alternating spawns I guess? I'm just a bit confused by this terminology. Also how will other guilds know when a spawn is uncontested? Apart from those minor things I'm glad to see this, thanks Sanluen.

Exactly, we'll still contest the first one to spawn, but after that it'll be open.

As far as how guilds will know, the 7 day spawns should be fairly simple to keep track of, or just shoot myself or another officer a tell in game!

[Seaweedpimp]

Whai no cazic thule ! Lol

Cause they cant kill CT ...

Dont troll urself alarti.

[Safon]

What was TMO suspended for?

[Nietche]

Or just track them yourselves to know when they are up. Shouldn't be left up to another guild to shoot you a tell for a dragon. Earn it.

[quido]

What was TMO suspended for?

This post has been removed by server staff.

[Chloroform]

Take your butthurt drama queen bull elsewhere

speak for ur self?

[Shinko]

The Zone CT is open for all :)


i know the timers they can also ask me

[Seaweedpimp]

^ reported for trolling in server chat

[Crazyeye]

Yo blaz cs 1.6 looks more promising?

[Portsche]

just shoot myself or another officer a tell in game!

Shinko knows!

[A_Moderator01]

Hi Quido,

Since you are directly linking to content that you know is against the forum rules, I am going to edit your post and suspend your account.

Please refrain from linking to content that violates the forum rules, or you could face ingame consequences as well.

Thanks!

[Xeliso]

I like turtles.

Shit am I gonna get my post removed too?

[Blotto]

Leave it to TMO to troll a post trying to fix the raid scene on project 1999 when they can't even raid.

Thanks for remind us why everyone hates you.

[Razdeline]

Project 1999,

We are all well aware of what raiding on this server is like. BDA started and has progressed as a casual raiding guild. We have been fortunate to have progressed as far as we have, and plan to continue doing so with this great group of friends we have built. We also know what it is like to be a casual guild on a server perpetually dominated by a few guilds at the very top. We hope that other guilds on P99 can continue to progress to higher content as well.

BDA does not believe in any way that we own rights to any raid mobs, but we are aware that we have a larger active raid force right now than most. We also want to see a new leaf turned for P99. As such, we are making the following decisions open and public. While we hope and expect that other guilds will be competing with us for all raid targets, we want to ensure that the raid content is spread across the server.

The following raid targets will be left alone by BDA indefinitely:

Nagafen
Vox
Dracoliche (standalone spawns)
Alternate Maestros (2nd, 4th, etc)
Noble Dojorn
Talendor
Second Faydedar
Second Severilous

The following raid targets will be left up for at least two hours after spawning for any other guilds to attempt. After that BDA will host an open joint raid with any guilds that wish to attend. The loot will be rolled on by all present raiders who can use the gear that dropps:

Second Trakanon (and Fourth pending spawn) (excluding teeth and guts)
Second Venril Sathir (Excluding Dru/Rng/Wiz epic items)
Second Innorruuk
Second Gorenaire

Again, BDA makes no claims of possession over any other raid target. We just hope that in the future more cooperation can be seen across the entire spectrum of guilds on Project 1999.

See you in game!

I agree 100% with this post :)

[Hagglebaron]

Leave it to TMO to troll a post trying to fix the raid scene on project 1999 when they can't even raid.

Thanks for remind us why everyone hates you.

Not everyone hates TMO, the guild has plenty of great folks in it. It's trendy to flame the top guild, was with IB, still is now with TMO.

You seem like one of the bandwagon TMO haters

[kingsBlend]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2012/1/1/2086acaf-1f82-4e9d-a075-20df70b3a2fd.gif

[Bruman]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2012/1/1/2086acaf-1f82-4e9d-a075-20df70b3a2fd.gif

I feel the same way about your sig.

[Speedling]

finally a decent and well behaved #1 guild on p99. about damn time! good work BDA :)

+1

[SyanideGas]

Awesome idea :)

[gprater]

Sanluen and BDA are both class acts. Great example of how a social game should be dealt with. As for Autotune and any other negativity-spreading folks, can it. If you can't add positively to the situation, stay quiet. Definitely NOT pro.

[Xyphon112]

http://i.imgur.com/MzPTv.gif

[Slave]

Free Raiders guild volunteers to raid with other small organizations in order to bring down targets and random roll justice for all!

[Autotune]

Sanluen and most of BDA are class acts. An example of how a social game should be dealt with. As for Autotune and any other negativity-spreading folks, <3. If you can't add positively to the situation, just be honest. Definitely pro.

ftfy

[Hagglebaron]

hahahahaha am I the only one that thinks it is funny that all other guilds are giving in and sucking BDAs teet as they ASSUME the raid mobs are theirs to do with as they please and have started tossing out scraps to the server.

You're definitely not the only one :p many of us are enjoying this scene

[arsenalpow]

Just trying to increase the peace guys. The current culture of high end raiding has been about cutthroat competition at any cost without even considering the opposition and stepping on/over anyone that might get in the way. We're trying to prove that things can be different and possibly better for the overall future of the server. We aren't saying we're entitled to anything but the current raid scene has been a 2 guild affair for quite a while so we're going to try and promote a new way of thinking with this opportunity.

[Relapse1]

Props to BDA this is how a small community of players SHOULD behave. It does nothing but good for the entire server as a whole.

[IsellUBuy]

Props to BDA this is how a small community of players SHOULD behave. It does nothing but good for the entire server as a whole.

+1

[Razdeline]

Props to BDA this is how a small community of players SHOULD behave. It does nothing but good for the entire server as a whole.

This. BDA is a good example.

[Tarathiel]

Props to BDA this is how a small community of players SHOULD behave. It does nothing but good for the entire server as a whole.

+1

[fishingme]

Props to BDA this is how a small community of players SHOULD behave. It does nothing but good for the entire server as a whole.

[Ravager]

Hope everyone has fun raiding the next couple of weeks! GL on the loot!

[finalgrunt]

I support this message. BDA, show them what classy means. They have forgotten.

[Llabak]

Berty confirmed proud of his guild leadership.

[Xadion]

you all are such tools lol

all of you guilds have a chance to step up and claim a top dog spot but you all just bend over and take what bda feels you are owed, and they claim this right on no grounds or proven track record, they are just spewing out what you want to hear while they feed you shit.

this is HAHAHAAAALLLaaarrious and to think I thought the other guild's and server populace would not be so stupid as to fall for this crap.

I bet you all vote to raise minimum wage also? Lol

[falkun]

bda claim this right on no grounds or proven track record, they are just spewing out what you want to hear while they feed you shit.

BDA does not believe in any way that we own rights to any raid mobs, but we are aware that we have a larger active raid force right now than most. We also want to see a new leaf turned for P99.

Do you not read Xadion? Any other guild is free to contest any mob they wish, but while you cannot compete, Sanluen's tactics will be the ones we use. If other guilds wish to contest, that's their prerogative, but we will stick with the plan as outlined. Please enjoy your vacation.

[Autotune]

Do you not read Xadion? Any other guild is free to contest any mob they wish, but while you cannot compete, Sanluen's tactics will be the ones we use. If other guilds wish to contest, that's their prerogative, but we will stick with the plan as outlined. Please enjoy your vacation.

Sounds exactly like TMO's endangered list.

[Joroz]

Sounds exactly like TMO's endangered list.

im sorry what was that again... a plot to play keep away from your direct competition. almost forgot.


Anyways, everyone get pumped up should be a fun couple weeks!

[Autotune]

a plot to play keep away from your direct competition

[pojab]

Just trying to increase the peace guys. The current culture of high end raiding has been about cutthroat competition at any cost without even considering the opposition and stepping on/over anyone that might get in the way. We're trying to prove that things can be different and possibly better for the overall future of the server. We aren't saying we're entitled to anything but the current raid scene has been a 2 guild affair for quite a while so we're going to try and promote a new way of thinking with this opportunity.

what is the point of raiding without cutthroat competition at any cost?

[Slave]

what is the point of raiding without cutthroat competition at any cost?

Nothing less than the continued survival of the server.

[Verenity]

Nothing less than the continued survival of the server.

Exactly.

[Autotune]

lol, BDA - Doin God's Work.

[arsenalpow]

http://www.stmarymagdalenechurch.org/uploads/artwork/on-a-mission-from-god.jpg

[Asedo]

Autotune Quote:

Sounds exactly like TMO's endangered list.


All i have to say is there is a big difference. TMO's Endangered list was nice of them to do. But only consisted of Talendor and Gore cause TMO had no use for them. I think what BDA is doing is good for the server and i hope works out great .

[Razdeline]

Nothing less than the continued survival of the server.

^

[Supaskillz]

#1 less than fun

[pojab]

Nothing less than the continued survival of the server.

boring

[Alarti0001]

All i have to say is there is a big difference. TMO's Endangered list was nice of them to do. But only consisted of Talendor and Gore cause TMO had no use for them. I think what BDA is doing is good for the server and i hope works out great .

and Sev....

[Labyrrinth]

All i have to say is there is a big difference. TMO's Endangered list was nice of them to do. But only consisted of Talendor and Gore cause TMO had no use for them. I think what BDA is doing is good for the server and i hope works out great .

If BDA had actual competition, this post wouldn't exist.
However due to the 2 week raid suspension TMO is now under, BDA can afford to be generous ;)
Let's see how many mobs they "give up to the server" once TMO's suspension is lifted
Heck, let's see how many they can actually kill during the next 2 weeks!!! And by keep track I mean, how many wipes, attempts, how long to engage the first time, etc
May as well enjoy this time, yes?

[Joroz]

If BDA had actual competition, this post wouldn't exist.
However due to the 2 week raid suspension TMO is now under, BDA can afford to be generous ;)
Let's see how many mobs they "give up to the server" once TMO's suspension is lifted
Heck, let's see how many they can actually kill during the next 2 weeks!!! And by keep track I mean, how many wipes, attempts, how long to engage the first time, etc
May as well enjoy this time, yes?

funny how you look at it as giving mobs away to the server... mobs are not owned, and all thats been given away to the server is a little courtesy communication of plans one guild has to not attempt to monopolize every last mob that spawns. those not raid suspended should sharpen their swords and go after whatever they feel like.

[finalgrunt]

Sounds exactly like TMO's endangered list.

Lol, you can't be serious, are you?

1 mob per week for the whole server, on an inconsistent basis, like throwing a bone to the hungry dogs for entertainment and a classy large rotation?

It's night and day.

[getsome]

Project 1999,

We are all well aware of what raiding on this server is like. BDA started and has progressed as a casual raiding guild. We have been fortunate to have progressed as far as we have, and plan to continue doing so with this great group of friends we have built. We also know what it is like to be a casual guild on a server perpetually dominated by a few guilds at the very top. We hope that other guilds on P99 can continue to progress to higher content as well.

BDA does not believe in any way that we own rights to any raid mobs, but we are aware that we have a larger active raid force right now than most. We also want to see a new leaf turned for P99. As such, we are making the following decisions open and public. While we hope and expect that other guilds will be competing with us for all raid targets, we want to ensure that the raid content is spread across the server.

The following raid targets will be left alone by BDA indefinitely:

Nagafen
Vox
Dracoliche (standalone spawns)
Alternate Maestros (2nd, 4th, etc)
Noble Dojorn
Talendor
Second Faydedar
Second Severilous

The following raid targets will be left up for at least two hours after spawning for any other guilds to attempt. After that BDA will host an open joint raid with any guilds that wish to attend. The loot will be rolled on by all present raiders who can use the gear that dropps:

Second Trakanon (and Fourth pending spawn) (excluding teeth and guts)
Second Venril Sathir (Excluding Dru/Rng/Wiz epic items)
Second Innorruuk
Second Gorenaire

Again, BDA makes no claims of possession over any other raid target. We just hope that in the future more cooperation can be seen across the entire spectrum of guilds on Project 1999.

See you in game!

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/178/5/7/got__house_targaryen_by_nymezide-d3k4qnw.jpg

The above list is missing a few victims.

Six more dragons are seeking to meet their death!

If you have a key to a door long since locked, you will find an alliance of swords ready to slay more beasts.

[Tanthallas]

^

[Quizy]

Lol, you can't be serious, are you?

1 mob per week for the whole server, on an inconsistent basis, like throwing a bone to the hungry dogs for entertainment and a classy large rotation?

It's night and day.

daimadoshi ex tr.. all the people arguing here are mostly tr/IB or former tr/IB people now wearing different tags(Of course they are gonna flame TMO they left the server over not being able to share mobs lol)...Your gonna flame TMo giving away 1 mob a week?

pot: kettle?
kettle:yes?
pot: your black!
kettle?: .....

get real man.. we enjoy competing for mobs.. we all did it on live and it was a classic playstyle.. this is a classic server... if you wanna flame people because they play the game the same way they always have then that's just a little out of touch with reality of a non instanced MMO game like everquest... or just whiney in general..

Good luck to all the next 2 weeks with the raid mobs

pot: kettle?
kettle:yes?
pot: your black!
kettle?: .....

[finalgrunt]

daimadoshi ex tr.. all the people arguing here are mostly tr/IB or former tr/IB people now wearing different tags(Of course they are gonna flame TMO they left the server over not being able to share mobs lol)...Your gonna flame TMo giving away 1 mob a week?

pot: kettle?
kettle:yes?
pot: your black!
kettle?: .....

get real man.. we enjoy competing for mobs.. we all did it on live and it was a classic playstyle.. this is a classic server... if you wanna flame people because they play the game the same way they always have then that's just a little out of touch with reality of a non instanced MMO game like everquest... or just whiney in general..

Good luck to all the next 2 weeks with the raid mobs

pot: kettle?
kettle:yes?
pot: your black!
kettle?: .....

Just no. You maybe enjoy it when the competition turns into a 24/7 job, but it was never the case on my server (and I know for a fact it wasn't the exception, and few others were the same). And my server was as classic as yours. Now who is out of touch and being whiney here?

A good balance between sharing the fun & pixel and the right touch of competition goes a looong way. Such a hard concept to grasp, I know. All it takes is IB/TR & TMO out of the raid scene to show what EQ was for the rest of us.

Or you can keep thinking EQ was all about griefing, training, cockblocking, poopsocking and cheating to get to the top. Your choice. I feel sorry for you if your server was like this, truly.

[SunDrake]

This is cool. Makes sense. Classy. The kind of thing you want to promote on an emulated server rolling with a population of about 300 right now :)

[Labyrrinth]

Those that can't achieve what they want on their own demand "fairness"

Server welfare if you will

[finalgrunt]

Just no. EQ raids were about competition. EQ was a niche game it didnt work for everyone which is why they started instancing and WoW. They made games for you.

I wonder what game those people were playing then:

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=8955&TabID=73316

and

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=8955&TabID=73317&ForumID=37650&TopicID=240816

Good attempt at bringing WoW and instancing ... but fail. And the carebear pic ... I mean, is that all you can do, really? It's good enough for RnF I guess. This is a serious thread, for people to cheer up at BDA's fairness, not to listen to the neverending pleas from players who never get enough competition (aka. training / griefing occasions)
I wonder what people like you try to achieve by turning EQ into a 24/7 job.

[Xadion]

Do you not read Xadion? Any other guild is free to contest any mob they wish, but while you cannot compete, Sanluen's tactics will be the ones we use. If other guilds wish to contest, that's their prerogative, but we will stick with the plan as outlined. Please enjoy your vacation.

I can read quite well, always have- also I have always tested high in comprehension and stuff- although it confused the hell our of my teachers because I could not spell (still cant) and 99% of the time students with high reading and comprehension have good spelling.

Any how- the point is this is double talk- and it and of itself is an assumption of power. Politicians do this all the time, with how this is all worded and how the public is ignorantly eating it on up you really should run for office. Another example is when your boss says "There is a big project that came up out of the blue for this weekend- you are not required to show up for it however and if you do no overtime will be given." Then others on the 'team' are like "Yeah I am coming in this weekend!" etc etc we all (at least a decent chunk of us who are and have been employed) have been in this situation and know what they really mean to say is "You better be here this weekend or your 'not a team player'" I could go on and on...but will leave simply with- if you are do dumb to know your powdered sugar coated shit circle is poop and not a doughnut then by all means, dip it in your coffee and enjoy. To the others who are smart and understand whats going on or what could go on (and BDA is trying to stop it) during the 2 week vacation I am enjoying- then step up, kick em in the nuts and feed them your shit and tell THEM its good for em'

Random Note: -Taken- was my personal choice for the guild to come out on top and assert themselves with the endangered dragons etc I believe they still have it in them- BDAs biggest mistake was taking in all the old ibvd...

[finalgrunt]

And a lot of other's wonder why people like you want to turn EQ into Candyland

Ok. Which part of "leave some targets open to competition" don't you understand? But yeah, not enough huh. Never enough. p99 must keep you busy 24/7 for a reason I guess.

P.S: or maybe you meant candyland = not cheating / griefing? If that was the case, I plead guilty.

[Maze513]

13 days left... better get crackin

[Verenity]

Forum mods please do not let this thread get pulled into RnF, it would be a serious shame.

[radditsu]

Sev beaten to the ground.

Next one looks free.

Will a green scale drop?!?!?!

[Tarathiel]

Forum mods please do not let this thread get pulled into RnF, it would be a serious shame.

+1

[Alarti0001]

I wonder what game those people were playing then:

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=8955&TabID=73316

and

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=8955&TabID=73317&ForumID=37650&TopicID=240816

Good attempt at bringing WoW and instancing ... but fail. And the carebear pic ... I mean, is that all you can do, really? It's good enough for RnF I guess. This is a serious thread, for people to cheer up at BDA's fairness, not to listen to the neverending pleas from players who never get enough competition (aka. training / griefing occasions)
I wonder what people like you try to achieve by turning EQ into a 24/7 job.

Im reading those boards and I see VS was a rotation target in 2004? and Naggy Vox were on rotation in 2003? So 4 years after naggy/vox went live they were rotated?

Ya I could handle that here no problem. However in 2004 GoD and OOW were released so VS is kinda laughable at that point. Though looking deeper i see rotations starting around sept 2003. Ya please get a real point. On the timeline right now for this server it is 2000. GoD isnt classic

1 added point in 2003.... LDoN was around and..... INSTANCING~ GG

[radditsu]

Not classic but another example of cooperation between guilds on a server.
This stuff happened. We all were not on Veeshan.

Kinda sad to see the forums not up anymore. Pulled from an archive.


Povar rotates the following mobs/encouters:


Avatar of War
***To join AoW rotation, a guild must get Idol past enrage unslowed***

Ssra (Cursed cycle/HP/XTC)
***To enter the rotation, a guild must slay the High Priest***

Emperor Ssra
***A guild enters the rotation when it has killed Emp with its own forces Once a guild has sufficant Emp keys and banes to feel it is ready to attempt Emp, it approachs the guilds on rotation and asks for an attempt. The guild must have entered Ssra rotation first and cleared every mob on it (HP, Cursed, Creator) before an agreed attempt is granted****

Vex Thal
***A guild can ask for a rotation turn when it has completed 40 Vex Thal keys***

Fenin Ro
***To enter the rotation, you must either slay General Raparm, or successfully spawn and kill the Mystical Arbitor of Earth, flagging your guild for PoE B, or slay the fourth avatar of air, (spider isle)***

Corinav
***To enter you need to have killed Fennin Ro, Xegony, Offassa, and Warlord Gintolaken***

Plane Of Time
***I have not seen the formal rules on this one...but basicly if you are flagged, you are on rotation***

All of this info is maintaned on the rotation boards Povar Rotation boards (http://p202.ezboard.com/bpovarrotations)

[finalgrunt]

Im reading those boards and I see VS was a rotation target in 2004? and Naggy Vox were on rotation in 2003? So 4 years after naggy/vox went live they were rotated?

Ya I could handle that here no problem. However in 2004 GoD and OOW were released so VS is kinda laughable at that point. Though looking deeper i see rotations starting around sept 2003. Ya please get a real point. On the timeline right now for this server it is 2000. GoD isnt classic

1 added point in 2003.... LDoN was around and..... INSTANCING~ GG

No, all you know is that they were STILL in rotation in 2003. But you don't want to admit that EQ was also about guild cooperation, that would rock your world upside down.

Grats on all the kills everybody! :)

[touchtonedialing]

A rotation would do nothing but good for the whole server.

TMO is the only reason it isnt happening right now.

[Adrieth]

Vox is up ;) Good luck to whoever brings her down.

[Alarti0001]

No, all you know is that they were STILL in rotation in 2003. But you don't want to admit that EQ was also about guild cooperation, that would rock your world upside down.

Grats on all the kills everybody! :)

So your lack of evidence.....is evidence?

[PsychoTass]

Lol always trying to turn the forums into a courtroom.

Props to BDA, feels like a change in the right direction.

[Nirgon]

Yeah the rotation works until someone kills something that's left up

[muggro]

Had a lot of fun with Talendor last night. I'm really enjoying the spirit of cooperation and looking forward to continuing.

[bylbob]

Yeah the rotation works until someone kills something that's left up

And that's the big difference btw live, reputation ment something on pve servers back then... .


Anyways good work BDA, hope everyone enjoy these 2 weeks before it goes back to "normal".

[Hagglebaron]

Or you can keep thinking EQ was all about griefing, training, cockblocking, poopsocking and cheating to get to the top. Your choice. I feel sorry for you if your server was like this, truly.

My server was like this :p

[Bruman]

Guys, can you please not bring RnF garbage into any thread containing the word "raid"?

[Alarti0001]

People here really have no idea what griefing is.

Haha honestly this server is super carebear compared to fennin. We had to field separate raids for train defense. Fun times

[Ambrotos]

You guys don't get it. Keep the rants and flames in RnF.

[Blotto]

Go play on Fennin Alarti

[Hagglebaron]

Go play on Fennin Alarti

I like your name Blotto. It's gritty, and it's got street cred (plus you can keep your monogrammed slippers, should you own a pair that say Blotto)

[Blotto]

I like your name Blotto. It's gritty, and it's got street cred (plus you can keep your monogrammed slippers, should you own a pair that say Blotto)
http://www.hwdyk.com/q/images/futurama_s02e13_11.jpg

[Ravager]

This guy's an ox! He's got oxen-like strength! Hey, he needs a nickname, right? Let's call him Clamps!

[Versus]

http://i.imgur.com/6Ool3.jpg?1

[Alarti0001]

Go play on Fennin Alarti

I have too many aa's to play for free!

[Danyelle]

I have too many aa's to play for free!

Pics of Live toon for proof! (I was gonna say "use /testcopy". But then you would be on Test, not Fennin =/. Gold membership for free there though!)

[Safon]

Who deleted my comment about labyrrinth weighing 490 lbs?

Sounds witty and original, truly a loss to the forum's culture

[India]

Who deleted my comment about labyrrinth weighing 490 lbs?

Peak is truly the special needs child we all need to take under our wing and nurture...

Yes Peak, if it makes your night and validates your feelings of adequacy, I weigh 490 pounds :rolleyes:

[India]

Who deleted my comment about labyrrinth weighing 490 lbs?

BTW I deleted it

[Blotto]

Grats Divinity on Fay and Sev!

[Bruman]

Grats Div on Talendor too, I believe?

Maestro still up for grabs, last I heard. So is Dojo.

[Nietche]

Grats BDA on Inny, VS, Draco, CT, Gore, Trak.

Grats Divinity on Fay, Sev, and Talendor.

Leave anything up for the newbies?

[Lazortag]

We got Master Yael also. Acyrid got Maestro I heard. I doubt any guilds will be killing Vox/Naggy so they're probably being left for public raids, which I think is fantastic.

[getsome]

[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Silverwing tries to crush Tassive, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Silverwing crushes Tassive for 390 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Silverwing was burned.
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Silverwing claws Tassive for 420 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Silverwing was burned.
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Silverwing tries to claw Tassive, but Tassive dodges!
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Tassive slashes Silverwing for 39 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Tassive tries to slash Silverwing, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Tassive tries to slash Silverwing, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Kebartik slashes Silverwing for 68 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:21:59 2012] Gibobtik kicks Silverwing for 28 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] Cytriax pierces Silverwing for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] Cytriax pierces Silverwing for 78 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] Silverwing has been slain by Cytriax!
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] You gain party experience!!
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] Your faction standing with LeagueofAntonicanBards could not possibly get any better.
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] Your faction standing with MayongMistmoore could not possibly get any better.
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] Your faction standing with RingofScale could not possibly get any worse.
[Sat Jun 16 01:22:00 2012] Your faction standing with VenrilSathir could not possibly get any better.


[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Phara Dar's casting is interrupted!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Phara Dar tries to claw Tassive, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Phara Dar tries to claw Tassive, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Phara Dar tries to claw Tassive, but Tassive dodges!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Phara Dar tries to bash Tassive, but Tassive parries!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Rusl slashes Phara Dar for 19 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Rusl tries to slash Phara Dar, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Rusl slashes Phara Dar for 27 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Rusl slashes Phara Dar for 46 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:39 2012] Adriana punches Phara Dar for 48 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Xobann tries to bite Phara Dar, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Tassive tries to slash Phara Dar, but misses!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Tassive slashes Phara Dar for 21 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Tassive slashes Phara Dar for 3 points of damage.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Phara Dar has been slain by Tassive!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] You gain party experience!!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Your faction standing with LeagueofAntonicanBards could not possibly get any better.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Your faction standing with MayongMistmoore could not possibly get any better.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Your faction standing with RingofScale could not possibly get any worse.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:40 2012] Your faction standing with VenrilSathir could not possibly get any better.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:41 2012] Kalarum winces.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:41 2012] Wiggo's casting is interrupted!
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:46 2012] Kalarum begins to cast a spell.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:47 2012] You are no longer roused.
[Sat Jun 16 01:53:47 2012] Tassive tells the guild, 'Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air, Spell: Dictate, Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air, Claw of Phara Dar, Crown of Rile, Shield of Elders'

http://i45.tinypic.com/2s7iel5.jpg

[sedrie.bellamie]

[Sat Jun 16 01:53:47 2012] Tassive tells the guild, 'Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air, Spell: Dictate, Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air, Claw of Phara Dar, Crown of Rile, Shield of Elders'



pics or it did not happen

[Nuggie]

Anyone who thinks this isn't going to help server stability has to be insane.

Good play BDA.

[Quizy]

Just no. You maybe enjoy it when the competition turns into a 24/7 job, but it was never the case on my server (and I know for a fact it wasn't the exception, and few others were the same). And my server was as classic as yours. Now who is out of touch and being whiney here?

A good balance between sharing the fun & pixel and the right touch of competition goes a looong way. Such a hard concept to grasp, I know. All it takes is IB/TR & TMO out of the raid scene to show what EQ was for the rest of us.

Or you can keep thinking EQ was all about griefing, training, cockblocking, poopsocking and cheating to get to the top. Your choice. I feel sorry for you if your server was like this, truly.

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..

Not sure who you are referring to but ALOT of servers including most importanlt Veeshan was COMPETITION For raid mobs..

Sounds like you started playing EQ after LDON and instancing came out.. Im not trying to flame you here im just saying this:

Everyone plays the game different.. we arent BREAKING the RULES playing the way we play.. we just all played competitively in classic and for you to tell me my way is wrong is just as stupid as me calling your playstyle wrong(which i have never done)...

best of luck to you and your playstyle.. mine will NOT change.

[Bruman]

We got Master Yael also. Acyrid got Maestro I heard. I doubt any guilds will be killing Vox/Naggy so they're probably being left for public raids, which I think is fantastic.

It's funny how on live servers, that was the intent of the banishment. On many servers, that's how it was used too - they became the targets for lowbie guilds or pug raids. Here it just means you level an alt =P

[getsome]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them.

I am confused, I read an uncontested account that the events leading to your raid vacation was started when you and friends put 15 @ noble. Just trying to make sure I was not misinformed.

I may have poor memory in my old age, I remember a guild who in an attempt to compete in kunark began placing an inordinate amount of personal online waiting for spawns. I will not fault them, because the tactic proved successful. Perhaps you just joined a few months ago and are not familiar with how your friends got where they are today. Prior to that, nothing in kunark was socked.

Looked like a healthy turn of events last night.

[Lazortag]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..

Not sure who you are referring to but ALOT of servers including most importanlt Veeshan was COMPETITION For raid mobs..

Sounds like you started playing EQ after LDON and instancing came out.. Im not trying to flame you here im just saying this:

Everyone plays the game different.. we arent BREAKING the RULES playing the way we play.. we just all played competitively in classic and for you to tell me my way is wrong is just as stupid as me calling your playstyle wrong(which i have never done)...

best of luck to you and your playstyle.. mine will NOT change.

I'm not one to blame TMO for all the server's woes, but you totally missed the point of Daimadoshi's post. Competition and mobilizing is great but it shouldn't turn into a full time job. Last night there was competition, because every mob respawned at once when the server came back up. We all had advance notice of when the patch was happening, and could therefore get an idea of when it would be finished. Normally when mobs can pop at any time in their insane 96 hour windows, there isn't "competition" in any meaningful sense, because to compete requires spending markedly more time than most casual players have (and also more time than they would have had to spend in classic). I'm not saying rotations are the answer, but rather that casual players WANT to compete, they just can't because the current ruleset encourages anti-competitive behaviour (like poopsocking). If you think it's normal that casual raid guilds get almost no mobs at all on a given week, then you didn't play classic. If you don't think it's normal, then you concede that at least some of what I'm saying has to be right, and that the barriers to competition on this server are unreasonable.

Just to reiterate, I don't think TMO is the evil one here. You guys offered casual guilds free mobs (Gore, Sev, Tal) when you didn't have to and we had some fun times with that. When your suspension is lifted you should consider honouring at least some of Sanluen's post for the benefit of the server.

[Ravager]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..


TMO is great at mobilizing, but I've been in too many poopsock races with TMO to know that this is simply not true. I don't know what the raid scene looked like the last two months, but if TMO hasn't been poopsocking, it's only because no one wants to poopsock with them.

On another note, if TMO really wanted the competition that they always claim to want, it'd probably be in their best interest to leave every mob up until the competition showed up since it's ultimately a FTE race anyway. May as well save everyone's time.

[India]

What it really boils down to is different playstyles. It's an age old argument that has been going on since original EQ. Casuals vs. raiders.

Those that play casually want to raid on "their terms" - in a manner that suits their playstyle

Those that play to raid want to do so on "their terms" - in a manner that suits their playstyle

To say one playstyle is "more right" or "better" than another is bull and everyone knows it, yet everyone continues to argue about it and it's ridiculous.

In that vein, what I am interested in is seeing Nilbogs proposal... will the server now impose set raiding rules that support the casual player base or will those proposed raid rules be fair to both styles of playing?

[Bruman]

In that vein, what I am interested in is seeing Nilbogs proposal... will the server now impose set raiding rules that support the casual player base or will those proposed raid rules be fair to both styles of playing?

I think we're all interested!

I think "tiers" of raiding would help, so that if you're in VP, old gods are off limits for example, but that's kind of all buggered because of epics! I like to think if it wasn't for that, CT and Inny would be more open.

[Alarti0001]

I am confused, I read an uncontested account that the events leading to your raid vacation was started when you and friends put 15 @ noble. Just trying to make sure I was not misinformed.

I may have poor memory in my old age, I remember a guild who in an attempt to compete in kunark began placing an inordinate amount of personal online waiting for spawns. I will not fault them, because the tactic proved successful. Perhaps you just joined a few months ago and are not familiar with how your friends got where they are today. Prior to that, nothing in kunark was socked.

Looked like a healthy turn of events last night.

it was a race to noble spawn im sure even in your old age you remember how the noble cycle works here

[finalgrunt]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..

Not sure who you are referring to but ALOT of servers including most importanlt Veeshan was COMPETITION For raid mobs..

Sounds like you started playing EQ after LDON and instancing came out.. Im not trying to flame you here im just saying this:

Everyone plays the game different.. we arent BREAKING the RULES playing the way we play.. we just all played competitively in classic and for you to tell me my way is wrong is just as stupid as me calling your playstyle wrong(which i have never done)...

best of luck to you and your playstyle.. mine will NOT change.

All I'm asking for, is for people to acknowledge the fact that not all servers were about FFA competition, because it was certainly not the case.

Also, back then it was definitely not a 24/7 job game to kill dragons, at least for us. And if it was the case for some other people, if you can't see how it sounds wrong that the same people 12 years later want to keep doing so in the first place, there is nothing that can be done.

Lastly, I'm all for competition, but how is that to be exclusive with some sort of rotation while leaving some mobs open for mobilization and competition? Seriously, would that kill your fun to not have to do it for all targets but only for a subset against a renewed and credible competition? Which piece of gear don't you have already would that prevent you to get? As we speak, some players can dream again about doing their epic with the same amount of time invested in the past for the next two weeks, without being forced to join the mainstream guild, which let's be honest here, doesn't have the best reputation around here and for a good reason (despite all the spinning going on around).

And on Live, there was no variance, which definitely plays a role in enforcing long tracking sessions on players and having to log at any hour of the day. But tell me, a bit of history here, why was variance put in the first place, if it was not to circumvent the plaguing poopsocking and FTE issues which existed then?

I'm now eagerly waiting for Nilbog's ideas to restore a bit of the classic feeling I had like many other players. And if you're smart, you should also understand why a casual player's opinion should matter as much as somebody willing to invest all his time into the game. Playing more than other people should not entitle the right to tell how everybody else should play, even more since it was not the case for them on live.

P.S: in my opinion, a subset of the dragons (let's say at least half to begin with) should be open for rotation, with some sort of entry test would be best. Add some rules about time to engagement, and number of wipes allowed. Tiering may not be the best way, since it opens up for bias and never ending bitching if not done perfectly. Reduce by a lot the variance, and change the FTE rules with some sort of announcement, which should be done by either the mob itself, or the players themselves.
Make it so the presence of a GM is not required, and just a simple log could quickly let the GMs know who was right and who was wrong. And ban for at least 2 weeks the incriminated guild each time proven wrong. Would quickly change the spirit into a more respectful way.

P.P.S: you can learn from history. Funny how what you describe happened exactly the same way on Fippy Darkpaw: http://www.fippydarkpaw.com/news/show/517883

Read that part well:

When PoP came around the server had been in full tilt competition mode for every single target from classic through luclin for a full year. No spawn apart from Innoruuk was ever up for more than a day, or extremely rarely, two days. Friendships had been forged but usually with one hand on the holster. Guilds were constantly suspicious of each other and for the most part suspected the worst in any given scenario. Players could not enter a zone without someone else suspecting someone was going to get sniped. It had been, after all, a full year of fighting for every scrap of content. Agreements had been made and broken, GM rotations had been implemented, confused, and dropped. Every guild continued to feel like they were on their own and had to battle for their rights of enjoying content.

At this point guild leaders came together and decided enough was enough. Soon after, an agreement had been made on PoP flagging which had been met with incredible success. Guilds were progressing, competition was still available, but everyone got a piece of the pie. Fippy was starting to come together as a community.

They had the exact same issue than here (people who were on a heavy competitive server enforcing their playing style on other servers which didn't.
Some sort of rotation was enforced by the staff but made no sense (tiered, but still allowed for cockblocking access to content).
And reading from this, people who think Velious will solve the competition issues with the current ruleset are naive at best, self-interested at worse.

[Alarti0001]

All I'm asking for, is for people to acknowledge the fact that not all servers were about FFA competition, because it was certainly not the case.

Also, back then it was definitely not a 24/7 job game to kill dragons, at least for us. And if it was the case for some other people, if you can't see how it sounds wrong that the same people 12 years later want to keep doing so in the first place, there is nothing that can be done.

Lastly, I'm all for competition, but how is that to be exclusive with some sort of rotation while leaving some mobs open for mobilization and competition? Seriously, would that kill your fun to not have to do it for all targets but only for a subset with a renewed competition?

And on Live, there was no variance, which definitely plays a role in enforcing long tracking sessions on players and having to log at any hour of the day. But tell me, a bit of history here, why was variance put in the first place, if it was not to circumvent the plaguing poopsocking and FTE issues which existed then?

I'm now eagerly waiting for Nilbog's ideas to restore a bit of the classic feeling I had like many other players. And if you're smart, you should also understand why a casual player's opinion should matter as much as somebody willing to invest all his time into the game. Playing more than other people should not entitle the right to tell how everybody else should play, even more since it was not the case for them on live.

P.S: in my opinion, a subset of the dragons (let's say at least half to begin with) should be open for rotation, with some sort of entry test would be best. Add some rules about time to engagement, and number of wipes allowed. Tiering may not be the best way, since it opens up for bias and never ending bitching. Reduce by a lot the variance, and change the FTE rules with some sort of announcement, which should be done by either the mob itself, or the players themselves.
Make it so the presence of a GM is not required, and just a simple log could quickly let the GMs know who was right and who was wrong. And ban for at least 2 weeks the incriminated guild each time proven wrong. Would quickly change the spirit into a more respectful way.

P.P.S: you can learn from history. Funny how what you describe happened exactly the same way on Fippy Darkpaw: http://www.fippydarkpaw.com/

Read that part well:



And people who think Velious will solve the competition issues with the current ruleset are naive at best, self-interested at worse.

variance is the only thing that has made this a 24/7 job.

[Nietche]

variance is the only thing that has made this a 24/7 job.

This.

It's not classic, and of course the top end guilds are the ones who can put more time into tracking huge windows. Blaming TMO for having the time to track is dumb. Lobbying the devs to remove variance is smarter because, like with the patch when everything respawned (and you knew it ahead of time), mobs will respawn at a set time (which you will know ahead of time if you did any reconnaissance at all).

Personally, I think a more interesting tactic is to implement PvP for all 55+ toons on the server. Would take care of a lot of issues such as the following:

1. That lone gnome sitting on top of spawn waiting to FTE.

2. "Raid Force" will be a moot point as the PvP "winners" will be the only raid force left for a given spawn.

3. Revival of server.

4. See #3.

[Galilao]

lol there is a server where levels 50 can PvP for raid mobs, you know what happens?

Everyone joins one ENORMOUS guild and the whole server dies.

[aerokella]

I may have to come back and play blue for a bit now that its kinda friendly raid wise!

[Supaskillz]

This.

It's not classic, and of course the top end guilds are the ones who can put more time into tracking huge windows. Blaming TMO for having the time to track is dumb. Lobbying the devs to remove variance is smarter because, like with the patch when everything respawned (and you knew it ahead of time), mobs will respawn at a set time (which you will know ahead of time if you did any reconnaissance at all).

Personally, I think a more interesting tactic is to implement PvP for all 55+ toons on the server. Would take care of a lot of issues such as the following:

1. That lone gnome sitting on top of spawn waiting to FTE.

2. "Raid Force" will be a moot point as the PvP "winners" will be the only raid force left for a given spawn.

3. Revival of server.

4. See #3.

how is pvp the answer? Clearly the red server was so successful that we should make the blue server pvp too.

I agree that variance is not and ideal solution. Tracking mobs sucks and for me camping my main out near a spawn point or mobilization point like kc also sucks because I like to play my main. But with all that said when everyone knows the spawn time it makes it impossible for gms. Suppose tmo, bda and divinity are all sitting in traks lair when he spawns. Trak spawns, immediately aggroes, and everyone is within range. What can the gms do, who gets the mob?

I do not know what competition was like on servers that had it back on live(mine did not), but it seems pretty dumb to mobilize after a mob spawns when you know exactly when that is and can mobilize a few minutes before it does. Enlighten me those of you who had competition on live, what prevented 2 guilds from sitting on a spawn point and it being a total mess.

[Nietche]

How did the red server fail?

Simple.

It was not classic.

[Nietche]

Enlighten me those of you who had competition on live, what prevented 2 guilds from sitting on a spawn point and it being a total mess.

Simple.

PvP.

Was on Rallos Zek.

[Nietche]

lol there is a server where levels 50 can PvP for raid mobs, you know what happens?

Everyone joins one ENORMOUS guild and the whole server dies.

This will never happen. BDA/VD and TMO and IB (if they came back) really don't like each other enough to join the same guild for the purpose of loot.

The stage is ripe for 55 + pvp. Of course there would have to be guidelines like with any other policy, but it would solve a lot of issues and would make GM involvement on some things moot.

[Supaskillz]

Simple.

PvP.

Was on Rallos Zek.

The great majority of eq players were not on red. Classic eq for most of us is blue.

Obviously not looking for more the answer to everything is pvp posts, seen plenty of those on these forums. Still wanting to hear from those on how competition worked with fixed spawn times on their blue servers.

[Nietche]

They either implemented rotations or they competed. Interestingly enough, on Rallos, we also implemented rotations with non-warring guilds.

[Supaskillz]

They either implemented rotations or they competed. Interestingly enough, on Rallos, we also implemented rotations with non-warring guilds.

yeah I still don't think you understand my question. My question is what does it mean to compete on a pve server with set spawn times. Racing has no meaning when 2 guilds can sit on the spawn.

[finalgrunt]

yeah I still don't think you understand my question. My question is what does it mean to compete on a pve server with set spawn times. Racing has no meaning when 2 guilds can sit on the spawn.

KS groups, with 6 wizards, that's my guess.

[Nips]

What they should do is increase the difficulty of encounters. By doing so, this will decrease the value of quick mobilization, and give the lesser guilds on the server an occasional chance at killing a mob when TMO wipes. Sure, the lesser guilds will probably wipe, but at least they can focus on improving as a guild instead of blaming TMO for all of their problems, and crying to the GM's.

[Joroz]

This will never happen. BDA/VD and TMO and IB (if they came back) really don't like each other enough to join the same guild for the purpose of loot.

I don't think it has to do with liking or not liking each other. People got different play styles and time to put into this game. Bigger guilds just means longer waits in line for upgrades especially when new content comes out and old members return to take their top spots again.

[getsome]

it was a race to noble spawn im sure even in your old age you remember how the noble cycle works here

Both TMO and BDA knew Dojo's timer in sky. We called our normal Sunday raid for lower islands plus the efreeti cycle. When we started mobilizing TMO brought in a rather large raid force to sit on dojo island, so BDA conceded the cycle.



sit on dojo island = Poopsocking

[baub]

sit on dojo island = Poopsocking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWm_EEsnhs&feature=plcp

i dunno this looks like racing to me

[Xadion]

Whenever I log on to race another guild- the music in my head starts out with some dragonforce or hammerfall or something epic and always ends up being the benny hill song.

[pharmakos]

Whenever I log on to race another guild- the music in my head starts out with some dragonforce or hammerfall or something epic and always ends up being the benny hill song.

lmao

[Artah]

I may have to come back and play blue for a bit now that its kinda friendly raid wise!

well red also has like what 25 players on it?

[Quizy]

KS groups, with 6 wizards, that's my guess.

you bought the daimadoshi account didnt you ? Original Daimadoshi was in TR and spoke VERY bad english but was a really great non confrontive person.. not that it matters just saying because the real daimadoshi wouldnt ask this question.

When there are raids "Poopsocking" by having 15+ on the spawn point the FTE gets the loot despite whoever gets the kill.. a guide/gm will have to settle this if it's not apparent who got the FTE.. and who didnt..

I don't mean to attack you just think it's important information that is lacking.

[Supaskillz]

you bought the daimadoshi account didnt you ? Original Daimadoshi was in TR and spoke VERY bad english but was a really great non confrontive person.. not that it matters just saying because the real daimadoshi wouldnt ask this question.

When there are raids "Poopsocking" by having 15+ on the spawn point the FTE gets the loot despite whoever gets the kill.. a guide/gm will have to settle this if it's not apparent who got the FTE.. and who didnt..

I don't mean to attack you just think it's important information that is lacking.

Without variance both guilds would logically sit directly on the spawn point as it spawns. How is it possible to determine first to engage? If you knew exactly when it was going to spawn you just show up a few minutes before and sit on it. I am asking how this issue was resolved on "competitive" blue servers back in the day since apparently it was somehow as many people remember enjoying a competitive raiding evironment.

My server at least during my play time wasn't really competitive. One guild got all the kills and they weren't even very consistent about killing them when they spawned. I attended pickup vox/nagafen raids, one before kunark even. I also remember having to worry about running into Gorenaire in DL. I suspect my server was one of the last into VP. By the time I quit Cats in Hats had actually formed into a pretty powerful guild and started tearing up content from what I understand, but that was around when I quit.

[Alarti0001]

Without variance both guilds would logically sit directly on the spawn point as it spawns. How is it possible to determine first to engage? If you knew exactly when it was going to spawn you just show up a few minutes before and sit on it. I am asking how this issue was resolved on "competitive" blue servers back in the day since apparently it was somehow as many people remember enjoying a competitive raiding evironment.

My server at least during my play time wasn't really competitive. One guild got all the kills and they weren't even very consistent about killing them when they spawned. I attended pickup vox/nagafen raids, one before kunark even. I also remember having to worry about running into Gorenaire in DL. I suspect my server was one of the last into VP. By the time I quit Cats in Hats had actually formed into a pretty powerful guild and started tearing up content from what I understand, but that was around when I quit.

On live there wasnt 9 month delayed expansions, there was less people at max levels, raids didnt happen much until after working hours so it was the first guild to get enough people online and off work.

[Supaskillz]

On live there wasnt 9 month delayed expansions, there was less people at max levels, raids didnt happen much until after working hours so it was the first guild to get enough people online and off work.

ok so wont work here. Getting rid of variance doesn't seem to solve anything

[finalgrunt]

you bought the daimadoshi account didnt you ? Original Daimadoshi was in TR and spoke VERY bad english but was a really great non confrontive person.. not that it matters just saying because the real daimadoshi wouldnt ask this question.

When there are raids "Poopsocking" by having 15+ on the spawn point the FTE gets the loot despite whoever gets the kill.. a guide/gm will have to settle this if it's not apparent who got the FTE.. and who didnt..

I don't mean to attack you just think it's important information that is lacking.

Had you read the question, it was about live servers, not this one. As for selling my account, that would never happen. I'm also glad that my english skill improved enough for you to think I'm now a different person.
As for not being a confrontive person, again you don't know me at all. I've never had issues voicing my opinions, and I'm pretty sure old TR can back me up on this.

On live there wasnt 9 month delayed expansions, there was less people at max levels, raids didnt happen much until after working hours so it was the first guild to get enough people online and off work.

You didn't read Fippy Darkpaw's history did you? I'll put the link again, because it's quite informative as to what happened, even if content was unlocked much faster than originally: http://www.fippydarkpaw.com/news/show/517883

Back on the subject. Bring rotation, share the pixels and fun, and long live p99!

[Silentone]

so anyone have a list of who got what raid targets?

[Bruman]

so anyone have a list of who got what raid targets?

BDA: VS, Inny, CT/Draco, Gore, Trak
Divinity: Fay, Sev, Talendor
Acryid: Maestro, Noble

[Silentone]

hi bruman, hope u get some fat loot bud. And VP?

[Greeedy]

That is real Diamadoshi

[Fromage]

ok so wont work here. Getting rid of variance doesn't seem to solve anything

It leaves the less desirable targets up. On live there was a lot of patches, when server was back up, everything spawned at the same time, so you had to pick your target. That also meant it all respawned at the same time.

Top tier guilds would usually choose Trak or VS, depending on what they needed, that left CT, Inny, Maestro, SEv, Tal, Gore(lolfuckgore), fay etc plus vox/naggy. When it all spawned at once, there was no way one guild could get them all.

Also, on live, guilds would move on and leave old content behind. Doesnt happen here because accounts are free and it's like a revolving door with max lvl people raiding, gettting what they want, then quitting.

Maybe it was different on other servers, but on SolRo 2nd tier guilds got raid mobs often, even before Kunark.

[Silentone]

It leaves the less desirable targets up. On live there was a lot of patches, when server was back up, everything spawned at the same time, so you had to pick your target. That also meant it all respawned at the same time.

Top tier guilds would usually choose Trak or VS, depending on what they needed, that left CT, Inny, Maestro, SEv, Tal, Gore(lolfuckgore), fay etc plus vox/naggy. When it all spawned at once, there was no way one guild could get them all.

Also, on live, guilds would move on and leave old content behind. Doesnt happen here because accounts are free and it's like a revolving door with max lvl people raiding, gettting what they want, then quitting.

Maybe it was different on other servers, but on SolRo 2nd tier guilds got raid mobs often, even before Kunark.

not too long ago p99 had 3 to 4 guilds fighting for raid targets 2 of them would get the majority and the other 2 would get random targets. Reason why there is only 1 guild getting raid targets at the moment is becasue only 1 guild is willing to go after them.

[Jenithia]

I don't play very often anymore, and I was never in what you'd call an "uber" guild on Live, but I do enjoy being able to log in and take down some big names with my guild from time to time. I'm very very casual, so much in fact that I know I'll never see VP, I'm not even interested in VP. I just want to enjoy the time I have off work to play a game I used to love. Our server is quite small and thrives when there is friendly competition. Although there's different play styles with every guild here, I don't see any reason we all can't work out a way where everyone is happy. There is plenty of content even if we only have 2 expansions right now. We also thrive when we get new players coming in and making the community interesting and fun. If I were someone looking into coming here, I'd probably be turned off just reading all the drama that goes on here. It should be fun. What's not fun is feeling like you'll never be able to relive the fun times or check a mob off your list because you work full time and can't log in at every time a text message goes off. Or when something pops and you have a pretty good chance at killing it, you have to deal with people grabbing it just because then "can" or to spite you, or make you feel like you don't deserve it because you aren't able to put in the hours. After a while you just feel discouraged and its like, why even try anymore? So anyway, I really like this idea and hope somethings can be compromised. I am not writing this from a guild tag standpoint, this is just my own little opinion, just a girl who casually plays and really wants to continue.

[Stealin Dragons]

I don't play very often anymore, and I was never in what you'd call an "uber" guild on Live, but I do enjoy being able to log in and take down some big names with my guild from time to time. I'm very very casual, so much in fact that I know I'll never see VP, I'm not even interested in VP. I just want to enjoy the time I have off work to play a game I used to love. Our server is quite small and thrives when there is friendly competition. Although there's different play styles with every guild here, I don't see any reason we all can't work out a way where everyone is happy. There is plenty of content even if we only have 2 expansions right now. We also thrive when we get new players coming in and making the community interesting and fun. If I were someone looking into coming here, I'd probably be turned off just reading all the drama that goes on here. It should be fun. What's not fun is feeling like you'll never be able to relive the fun times or check a mob off your list because you work full time and can't log in at every time a text message goes off. Or when something pops and you have a pretty good chance at killing it, you have to deal with people grabbing it just because then "can" or to spite you, or make you feel like you don't deserve it because you aren't able to put in the hours. After a while you just feel discouraged and its like, why even try anymore? So anyway, I really like this idea and hope somethings can be compromised. I am not writing this from a guild tag standpoint, this is just my own little opinion, just a girl who casually plays and really wants to continue.

Can't please everyone.

[Quizy]

we are playing to the best of our ability based on the rules set in places for this server.

If there is an issue with that please get the rules changed.

[Bruman]

hi bruman, hope u get some fat loot bud. And VP?

VP is fully up. BDA doesn't have enough keys. And no loot for me, but we had an awesome time just getting to kill mobs many of us had never even seen.

[finalgrunt]

we are playing to the best of our ability based on the rules set in places for this server.

If there is an issue with that please get the rules changed.

And sometimes beyond, thus the suspension. Anyway, seems like rules are about to change according to Nilbog. The question remains to know if you'll also try to bend the new ones, or will you try to understand the reasons behind and act accordingly.

[Alarti0001]

The question remains will you try to understand the reasons behind the suspension

[falkun]

Maestro down at 11:54AM EDT today for those not in BDA who wish to slay him in 3 days +/- 24hrs. Good luck to all!

[Tarathiel]

tmo should be banned from posting in this thread imo, they have added nothing constructive to this conversation and have only tried to derail it to gain sympathy for their cause, as evidenced by all banned tmo troll accounts in here.

[Alarti0001]

tmo should be banned from posting in this thread imo, they have added nothing constructive to this conversation and have only tried to derail it to gain sympathy for their cause, as evidenced by all banned tmo troll accounts in here.

Ban this guy for trying to stir up drama imo no tmo has posted here in 2 days

[arsenalpow]

Ban this guy for trying to stir up drama imo no tmo has posted here in 2 days

Wipe it clean! (am I doing it right?)

Had 100+ people at Trak last night which was fun, then Ambrotos turned everyone into giant gnomes. P99 has been awesome lately.

[Supaskillz]

Wipe it clean! (am I doing it right?)

Had 100+ people at Trak last night which was fun, then Ambrotos turned everyone into giant gnomes. P99 has been awesome lately.

poor Sadad, hes the only one of those 100 who got to eat an AE.

[Spitty]

This thread is good news!

[Silentone]

tmo should be banned from posting in this thread imo, they have added nothing constructive to this conversation and have only tried to derail it to gain sympathy for their cause, as evidenced by all banned tmo troll accounts in here.

wow tara, maybe you should be banned wtf is that about. I dont see any TMO troll accounts as a mater of fact I dont know any TMO that has a troll account we stand behind our real accounts unlike some people. I thought BDA has a rule about trolling which exactly what you are doing...time to see if BDA stand behind their words.

I guess me congradulating Bruman and wanting him to get loots is a way of trying to stir things up. Truth is both of us spent a lot of time doing our epic together and I am sure he can attest I was wronged by BDA during this time..yet im still friendly with most.

[Schortt]

Monk love is blind to silly things like guildtags.

Happy to see that BDA is not trying to make a clean sweep of things when given the chance to do so. I was gone this weekend but I'd be glad to help any guild or collaboration that wants it on the next round of spawns. Shoot me a tell - I've got Nag and Vox alts still sitting in the appropriate prep areas as well.

[falkun]

Vox

Vox is still up as far as I know. If you can get a pick-up raid together, feel free to take her down!

[Tarathiel]

wow tara, maybe you should be banned wtf is that about. I dont see any TMO troll accounts as a mater of fact I dont know any TMO that has a troll account we stand behind our real accounts unlike some people. I thought BDA has a rule about trolling which exactly what you are doing...time to see if BDA stand behind their words.

I guess me congradulating Bruman and wanting him to get loots is a way of trying to stir things up. Truth is both of us spent a lot of time doing our epic together and I am sure he can attest I was wronged by BDA during this time..yet im still friendly with most.

first off im not trollin, this is truly how i feel. second, i see at least 3 banned tmo on just the first page. third i still love u silent, remember the good ol' days of grinding out solb nobles? those were the days

[Silentone]

hell ya i do, I love you too. I also remeber you giving some guy a opal braclet so that I could get dwarven work boots. lvl 50 monk w/o magic shoes sucked. My anger was my directed at the harrison like mentality, its not just you bud.. alot of people say omg so and so did this to me and they are tmo BAN TMO!!! its just childish and follows the same mentality racist people do..i guess i just dont get it.

[India]

first off im not trollin, this is truly how i feel. second, i see at least 3 banned tmo on just the first page. third i still love u silent, remember the good ol' days of grinding out solb nobles? those were the days

Trolling, according Ambrotos who banned me, is any act that calls out another (doesn't matter if it's how you feel or not!!!) without adding value to the thread... so you were trolling (according to the rules Ambrotos told me....)

I think we really need a RULE around what trolling is now.... Ambrotos, can you help us here ;)

[India]

BTW in case it wasn't obvious, that was a winky eye smiley face which generally indicates a JOKE..... ok?

[Tarathiel]

hell ya i do, I love you too. I also remeber you giving some guy a opal braclet so that I could get dwarven work boots. lvl 50 monk w/o magic shoes sucked.

lol i hella remember that, thats the kind of thing i came to this server for. not all the drama and bs. call me a care bear if you want but i just wanna kill some dragon's with my bro's it doesnt matter what guild we or they are in as long as we are having fun. and i apologize for my earlier comment its hard not to get swept up in the mob mentality

vive la rotación!!!!!

[Acillatem]

I posted this elsewhere, but might as well say it here as well. TMO isn't doing anything different that hasn't been a precedent set by OTHER guilds on P99 before for the past 2 years. The difference is that the semi-casual and casual players have finally "caught up" and are getting to the point of being "raid ready" (if not already). So things are coming to a head. It was bound to happen at some point. The server caps at 60, so I guess that point is now.

So the anti-TMO sentiment is kind of being "encouraged" becuz of that. Nobody screamed a year ago when IB/DA were monopolizing all the content becuz there was no reason to. Guilds were still able to stay busy with Fear/Hate/Sky becuz they still needed a lot of gear and levels.

While I don't feel a full fledged rotation is the way to go - I do feel there needs to be room for compromise in order for the server to "stabilize". TMO is a full-on in your face competitive guild and should be able to play accordingly. However, P99 is supposed to be an outlet for EVERYONE to be able to enjoy some nostalgic re-invention of Everquest. While some servers had harsh competition for spawns, some had rotations in place. And I believe a middle ground that both sides of the fence can agree upon (one that instills competition and keeps TMO's engines running, but at the same time offers progression and opportunity for casual guilds) would be the most viable option at this point in order to encourage population growth and long-term results for all parties involved, as well as the server itself.

My 2cp...

[finalgrunt]

I posted this elsewhere, but might as well say it here as well. TMO isn't doing anything different that hasn't been a precedent set by OTHER guilds on P99 before for the past 2 years. The difference is that the semi-casual and casual players have finally "caught up" and are getting to the point of being "raid ready" (if not already). So things are coming to a head. It was bound to happen at some point. The server caps at 60, so I guess that point is now.

So the anti-TMO sentiment is kind of being "encouraged" becuz of that. Nobody screamed a year ago when IB/DA were monopolizing all the content becuz there was no reason to. Guilds were still able to stay busy with Fear/Hate/Sky becuz they still needed a lot of gear and levels.

While I don't feel a full fledged rotation is the way to go - I do feel there needs to be room for compromise in order for the server to "stabilize". TMO is a full-on in your face competitive guild and should be able to play accordingly. However, P99 is supposed to be an outlet for EVERYONE to be able to enjoy some nostalgic re-invention of Everquest. While some servers had harsh competition for spawns, some had rotations in place. And I believe a middle ground that both sides of the fence can agree upon (one that instills competition and keeps TMO's engines running, but at the same time offers progression and opportunity for casual guilds) would be the most viable option at this point in order to encourage population growth and long-term results for all parties involved, as well as the server itself.

My 2cp...

Casual guilds did suffer as much from IB as from TMO now, it's just that IB being gone, TMO takes the lead and the bad reputation in the process. Casuals don't have issues with leveling (IB & TMO & BDA have reached the point where they got armies of alts) and have been max levels for a long time.

I agree with all the rest.

[Tanthallas]

When have there not been two guilds competing until now? It is not a fair statement to say that anyone suffered from either in isolation when the situation was never that way for either. You cannot compare anything to TMO now, because TMO is the only guild to ever act this way in this situation.

[Spectre]

IB never had real competition except for two or three months of DA and then TMO. They had basically all the content to themselves for a long long time.

[Silentone]

IB never had real competition except for two or three months of DA and then TMO. They had basically all the content to themselves for a long long time.

ya...no

[falkun]

Everyone reaches end game, runs out of content, bickers over content.

I think this server progresses slow enough that it just goes through cycles. People log in for the winter/school season, people go outside in the summer. Guilds become #1, gear themselves up, the under-guilds want to break into the raid gear, guild#1 beats down under-guilds, guild#1 gets geared, guild#1 gets bored of clearing content when fully geared, under-guilds fight guild#1, start back at step one. This cycle is going to continue ad infinitum.

But, you can alter the cycle with a couple things:
1) enjoy the journey instead of racing to the end, this will allow you to enjoy being in the under-guild for longer.
2) Guild#1 can be more accommodating to under-guilds. This allows both guilds to gear up, but at a slower pace. More people getting through content slower is better than a few people blowing through content while everyone else stagnates. If you are not max level/BIS, you still have things to do, so you enjoy logging in to do those things. If you are BIS, you are more likely to get bored for lack of content/incentive to do content. If you are an under-guild, you like having the opportunity to improve, so stagnation is also frustrating because you realize its artificially imposed by other people (and not game mechanics). On both sides of the have/have not coin, people get frustrated and quit.
3) Guild#1 can absorb under-guilds/under-guilds can disband and apply to guild#1. "Can't beat em, join em" mentality. This keeps guild#1 in #1 spot, but basically just moves the cycle from multiple guilds to an internal guild affair. You still have the personnel turnover, you're just not racing them for it.
4) Competing guilds can have a bit of honor in the competition. Absolute cut-throat competition wears out the refs, wears out the players, and is ultimately bad for the game. I'm not saying football is bad because of a hard hit now and then, and IMO they've even gone pansy in protecting the QB, but I'm glad there are some new protections for some very vulnerable receivers. You can have competition, and "winners" and "losers" without having to resort to rule breaking and/or lawyering and trashing the game's and your reputation.
5) This cycle is amplified as more people reach the end of available content and want to experience content they are artificially denied. Applying to guild#1 is the easiest solution here, but its not for everyone.

[Tanthallas]

ya...no

Saying it doesnt make it true....

The absorption of DA into TMO took time for it to become a force that actually competed with TR. Everyone knows this. I do not see why accepting it hurts your feelings so much.

[Alarti0001]

Saying it doesnt make it true....

The absorption of DA into TMO took time for it to become a force that actually competed with TR. Everyone knows this. I do not see why accepting it hurts your feelings so much.

we took our first trak before the merger and our second immediately after. We competed on multiple mobs immediately what took time is for our stragglers to quit so our numbers became reasonable and we could grow efficient.

oh and saying it doesnt make it true. lol

[sulious]

I posted this elsewhere, but might as well say it here as well. TMO isn't doing anything different that hasn't been a precedent set by OTHER guilds on P99 before for the past 2 years. The difference is that the semi-casual and casual players have finally "caught up" and are getting to the point of being "raid ready" (if not already). So things are coming to a head. It was bound to happen at some point. The server caps at 60, so I guess that point is now.

So the anti-TMO sentiment is kind of being "encouraged" becuz of that. Nobody screamed a year ago when IB/DA were monopolizing all the content becuz there was no reason to. Guilds were still able to stay busy with Fear/Hate/Sky becuz they still needed a lot of gear and levels.

I do feel there needs to be room for compromise in order for the server to "stabilize". TMO is a full-on in your face competitive guild and should be able to play accordingly. However, P99 is supposed to be an outlet for EVERYONE to be able to enjoy some nostalgic re-invention of Everquest. While some servers had harsh competition for spawns, some had rotations in place. And I believe a middle ground that both sides of the fence can agree upon (one that instills competition and keeps TMO's engines running, but at the same time offers progression and opportunity for casual guilds) would be the most viable option at this point in order to encourage population growth and long-term results for all parties involved, as well as the server itself.

My 2cp...

Like this post! You have to throw the dog a bone or its liable to get mad and bite, OR run to the neighbors house for food...:) YINZ guys having stove-top stuffing tonight?

[Alarti0001]

Like this post! You have to throw the dog a bone or its liable to get mad and bite, OR run to the neighbors house for food...:) YINZ guys having stove-top stuffing tonight?

My dogs get rewarded when they do good not the other way around. Check into Pavlov.
So basically BDA perform a trick other than /petition and you will get a bone.

[falkun]

So derogatory Alarti. Your sense of entitlement is astounding. You still refuse to admit you were given VP on a PNP platter and yet refuse to extend that platter to any other guild. You are also denying that /petition is one of TMO's tricks as well.

The trick we are performing during your suspension: sharing virtually every raid mob we have access to with the server. Divinity had a shot at Trak, VS will be an open raid when he pops if no one slays him in the first two hours, etc. Its more than Gore and Sev and Tal.

If you want to go back to your (or whoever it was in TMO) stating, "We were about to see about a Trak rotation with BDA but not anymore," save your breath. Its easy to say you are going to do something in hindsight, the server will believe it when we see it. Your tricks are also old and predictable at this point.

[Corrodith]

Your sense of entitlement is astounding.

Entitlement is for guilds who are incapable of the type of leadership and organizational force needed to actually win, so they cry to GMs instead.

[achtung]

8 days left of this thread!

[Alarti0001]

So derogatory Alarti. Your sense of entitlement is astounding. You still refuse to admit you were given VP on a PNP platter and yet refuse to extend that platter to any other guild. You are also denying that /petition is one of TMO's tricks as well.

The trick we are performing during your suspension: sharing virtually every raid mob we have access to with the server. Divinity had a shot at Trak, VS will be an open raid when he pops if no one slays him in the first two hours, etc. Its more than Gore and Sev and Tal.

If you want to go back to your (or whoever it was in TMO) stating, "We were about to see about a Trak rotation with BDA but not anymore," save your breath. Its easy to say you are going to do something in hindsight, the server will believe it when we see it. Your tricks are also old and predictable at this point.

Ask our officers who were in talks with bda or I can copy paste our old thread about giving a trak rotation to bda.

We are entitled to what we earned yet you demand things you haven't. VP wasn't given to TMO we dominated VP.

Has tmo petitioned sure, is it a go to policy, absolutely not especially against a guild like BDA.
Did BDA give away more mobs than tmo would have this week..sure. TMO is a raid guild not a casual guild.

Can't wait to copy some forum threads when I get home so I can watch as you put your foot in your mouth.

How can someone be so woefully misinformed as you? Stop listening to metallikus!

[touchtonedialing]

Ask our officers who were in talks with bda or I can copy paste our old thread about giving a trak rotation to bda.

I would love to see this. You know it has to be something stupid like they get one every month or something. But im sure you will only show slanted parts of the conversation that show TMO in the best light.

It wouldnt make any sense for BDA not take a fair rotation. They had two weeks of spawns to themselves and they are letting others have a chance on half of them.

You cant honestly say BDA turned down a fair rotation then they go and do something like that.

[Atmas]

If you want to go back to your (or whoever it was in TMO) stating, "We were about to see about a Trak rotation with BDA but not anymore," save your breath. Its easy to say you are going to do something in hindsight, the server will believe it when we see it. Your tricks are also old and predictable at this point.

Negative suspicion can easily be applied to most statements. I might ask how successful was Divinity or Acryid at a solo Trak kill?

[arsenalpow]

Alarti, BDA officers tried to have a conversation in vent with Faz/Sent the day of the sky kite incident and he declined (or he didn't have a mic or something) but there was never a situation where your leadership ever wanted to "give" us a trak rotation. There was some incredibly brief talks concerning maybe a dojo rotation since he's a fixed spawn but your leadership was very clear that any windowed raid mob would be FTE like it's always been.

At this point I'd like to remind our posters from BDA to behave themselves. This needs to be a productive conversation. If your leadership would like to discuss having some type of rotation just send a tell to Sanluen, Sadad, or myself (chest) and we'd be more than willing to try and work out an equitable solution to this unique situation this server is in.

[Alarti0001]

I would love to see this. You know it has to be something stupid like they get one every month or something. But im sure you will only show slanted parts of the conversation that show TMO in the best light.

It wouldnt make any sense for BDA not take a fair rotation. They had two weeks of spawns to themselves and they are letting others have a chance on half of them.

You cant honestly say BDA turned down a fair rotation then they go and do something like that.

Way to assume the negative of any proof immediately. That is how conspiracy theorists and apparently bad trolls work. Ask for proof and when it is offered negate it in any way possible.

I said officers were in talks with BDA and that a trak rotation was being discussed on our boards. The consensus was a 1 in 3 rotation for BDA pretty fair considering they were getting a 1 in 100 rotation previously.

[Tarathiel]

this message has been hidden because Alarti0001 is on your ignore list

(am i doing this right?)

[touchtonedialing]

Way to assume the negative of any proof immediately. That is how conspiracy theorists and apparently bad trolls work. Ask for proof and when it is offered negate it in any way possible.

I said officers were in talks with BDA and that a trak rotation was being discussed on our boards. The consensus was a 1 in 3 rotation for BDA pretty fair considering they were getting a 1 in 100 rotation previously.

"Way to assume negative of any proof. But ya you're totally right. The rotation wouldn't be fair"

Might want to look up a post too.

[Lazortag]

Negative suspicion can easily be applied to most statements. I might ask how successful was Divinity or Acryid at a solo Trak kill?

We nearly killed Trak (got him to 20%) but had a positioning issue and Trak started climbing up the wall, so DPS stopped. It was still our fault, but if it hadn't happened, we would have won.

[Alarti0001]

I hide my head in the sand.

[radditsu]

There was some incredibly brief talks concerning maybe a dojo rotation since he's a fixed spawn but your leadership was very clear that any windowed raid mob would be FTE like it's always been.

HIjacking chest's comments here.

So there were talks that fixed spawn mobs would /can be rotated?
If the changes get rid of variance will the older variance raid mobs be put on the table for a rotation? In a way a guild that is smaller than bda but super capable guilds like divinty or acryid could be placed upon it?

Also, if velious is actually coming sooner than later are you going to really bother with kunark mobs so much outside of VP?

I hate to seem like I am prying with what your future intentions are going to be. BDA in this two week raid ban has been very open with what we are doing. I am also assuming BDA would continue to do so in the future. A fair amount of ill will could be worked out with a stance saying, publicly, what you would be willing to work with.

The Ragefire rotation was a great idea, and it seems like you guys had to do some compromising to get it to work with the guilds. Now, almost every cleric that wants a click stick and has put in the effort has one. Your individual members should love that they can call upon a BDA or Divinity cleric to get them rezzed in the middle of nowhere.

You guys still hold the cards when it comes to dictating the terms obviously. So you can either come to the table on this stuff(if you have not already done so), or lock down every raid mob forever until everybody gets bored at high level and quits. The lower population in the last months seems like this is part of what has been the case.

[Tarathiel]

or lock down every raid mob forever until everybody gets bored at high level and quits. The lower population in the last months seems like this is part of what has been the case.

these problems dont just affect us at higher levels. im sure there are quite a few people out there that quit before they even hit raid level simply because of a lack of options when it comes to raid guilds. with a rotation and removal of variance i think we would start seeing alot of new smaller guilds popping up to try and get their piece of the pie

[Alarti0001]

HIjacking chest's comments here.

So there were talks that fixed spawn mobs would /can be rotated?
If the changes get rid of variance will the older variance raid mobs be put on the table for a rotation? In a way a guild that is smaller than bda but super capable guilds like divinty or acryid could be placed upon it?

Also, if velious is actually coming sooner than later are you going to really bother with kunark mobs so much outside of VP?

I hate to seem like I am prying with what your future intentions are going to be. BDA in this two week raid ban has been very open with what we are doing. I am also assuming BDA would continue to do so in the future. A fair amount of ill will could be worked out with a stance saying, publicly, what you would be willing to work with.

The Ragefire rotation was a great idea, and it seems like you guys had to do some compromising to get it to work with the guilds. Now, almost every cleric that wants a click stick and has put in the effort has one. Your individual members should love that they can call upon a BDA or Divinity cleric to get them rezzed in the middle of nowhere.

You guys still hold the cards when it comes to dictating the terms obviously. So you can either come to the table on this stuff(if you have not already done so), or lock down every raid mob forever until everybody gets bored at high level and quits. The lower population in the last months seems like this is part of what has been the case.

Of course if velious comes out we will be focused there. With the exception of Phara Dar there is nothing we need in Kunark. Other than a few epic pieces here and there but TMO is over 95% epic'd (necros draggin us down).

Variance would suck honestly it would just mean a rotation (which eliminates competition) or poopsocking which is really just lame. If we are going to put in a rotation we mine as well just petition the GM's to give every guild loot each week.

Raiding im sure is part of what has been the cause of people quitting but people are quitting from TMO too. The main cause for server decline is the 9+months late Velious. Its not EVERQUEST....without the Ever. Live constantly had new content pushed out. Velious was 8 months after kunark. 1 yr later Luclin, PoP was 10 months after Luclin etc. etc.

What makes this worse is this is not new content for most of us. We know the questlines, the bosses the zones etc. so content gets stale faster.

[radditsu]

these problems dont just affect us at higher levels. im sure there are quite a few people out there that quit before they even hit raid level simply because of a lack of options when it comes to raid guilds. with a rotation and removal of variance i think we would start seeing alot of new smaller guilds popping up to try and get their piece of the pie


I agree. Some people might not think any of the currently established guilds are a good fit for them. They may want to create a new guild with 20 of their best friends. They would hit a rock asap as they could not get any sort of real raid experience. Naggy and Vox are great teaching tools and keeping them from having 4 am instagibs would promote some community and give some experience.

You would not even have to rotate these guys. Just have a "gentlemans understanding" that they are left up after a pop until a few hours after prime time/ or someone attempts them. Then you can load your naggy /vox alts and get your scales/cloaks.

At the time of this post, vox has been up for days and there has only been a few attempts at her. If you guys were not raid banned, TMO could have some folks from the guilds that are no threat to them and go wreck her. Of course you guys calling the scales or books or whatever you want from her. The people who joined can random on the "lesser" items.


Shout in EC for an hour about it and if people show up there ya go.

I am handing public relations on you guys with a silver platter. No need to spin any kinda of Jeff Winger bull. Actions > Words.

[radditsu]

Of course if velious comes out we will be focused there. With the exception of Phara Dar there is nothing we need in Kunark. Other than a few epic pieces here and there but TMO is over 95% epic'd (necros draggin us down).

Variance would suck honestly it would just mean a rotation (which eliminates competition) or poopsocking which is really just lame. If we are going to put in a rotation we mine as well just petition the GM's to give every guild loot each week.

Raiding im sure is part of what has been the cause of people quitting but people are quitting from TMO too. The main cause for server decline is the 9+months late Velious. Its not EVERQUEST....without the Ever. Live constantly had new content pushed out. Velious was 8 months after kunark. 1 yr later Luclin, PoP was 10 months after Luclin etc. etc.

What makes this worse is this is not new content for most of us. We know the questlines, the bosses the zones etc. so content gets stale faster.



We have to GET to velious though. If we continue to lose new users and people do not have any reason to login we will have no future. We WILL have old people return and some new members to "check out velious". Those are just bumps that will even out. People who actually want to login and play right this second, when its at its lowest lull. Those people are hardcore lovers of the game. If you are reading this and care, you must love this game. A slight uptic in mobs popping (bi-weekly repops) combined with a shorter variance window, will keep raiders interested until we get to velious. Guilds that are not TMO will think they are progressing and gearing up for when "winter is coming".

But what if these ideas never get put into place?
Well then we all have to come together and wait it out. BDA, TMO, and everybody else will have to flex nuts and build a better community.




Another note:
Variance in Velious would not work at all. A Sleepers run for one mob in window? Spending all day in growth clearing it out just incase? Growth is much more difficult to deal with and I am assuming growth would have a rule the same as fear now.
I can't imagine how you guys deal with VP for just one mob, besides glorious pulling. Its almost as lame as fighting through the hate changes we have now for just maestro. Just longer, and less fun.

[arsenalpow]

Lots of good points. I'm assuming Ambrotos/Amelinda/etc wouldn't be opposed to letting the players sidestep the training rule if a rotation was agreed upon and enforced. The rule is only in place to provide a safe route for multiple guilds to fairly race to a target. Without the threat of stepping on another's toes the rule is unecessary.

[radditsu]

Lots of good points. I'm assuming Ambrotos/Amelinda/etc wouldn't be opposed to letting the players sidestep the training rule if a rotation was agreed upon and enforced. The rule is only in place to provide a safe route for multiple guilds to fairly race to a target. Without the threat of stepping on another's toes the rule is unecessary.

If you the only guild in the zone who cares if you train yourself or drop CT through the floor on yourself? Makes sense.

[Ravager]

Of course if velious comes out we will be focused there. With the exception of Phara Dar there is nothing we need in Kunark. Other than a few epic pieces here and there but TMO is over 95% epic'd (necros draggin us down).

Variance would suck honestly it would just mean a rotation (which eliminates competition) or poopsocking which is really just lame. If we are going to put in a rotation we mine as well just petition the GM's to give every guild loot each week.

Raiding im sure is part of what has been the cause of people quitting but people are quitting from TMO too. The main cause for server decline is the 9+months late Velious. Its not EVERQUEST....without the Ever. Live constantly had new content pushed out. Velious was 8 months after kunark. 1 yr later Luclin, PoP was 10 months after Luclin etc. etc.

What makes this worse is this is not new content for most of us. We know the questlines, the bosses the zones etc. so content gets stale faster.

There's still plenty of content that I haven't seen in Kunark. And I think that's true for a lot of players on this server. If the content is stale to the top raiders and they have the gear they need, why stand in the way of everyone else? Open up some content to the rest of the server and the population will rise, or lock down the content and watch everyone quit from boredom and frustration.

[getsome]

If you the only guild in the zone who cares if you train yourself or drop CT through the floor on yourself? Makes sense.

And the rule lawyering begins.

What constitutes being alone?

Enforce no training and no raid interference and this rule is not necessary.

[radditsu]

And the rule lawyering begins.

What constitutes being alone?

Enforce no training and no raid interference and this rule is not necessary.


Alone = No other guilds in the zone at all. Its fear, not seb. A hard rule would, absolutely be easier to enforce however. I just kinda had a funny thought about someone training themselves with some bard kite, CT pulling everybody underground, and a giant cumbersome corpse run because nobody could see any corpses. Plus the hilarity of a zone full of mobs.

Naked fear corpse run. CLASSIC!

[falkun]

But then you have the instance where another guild zones in after you have your kite started and now you have to dump it to adhere to the rule. Able to train, or not able to train, don't have exceptions to the rule.

[sulious]

Project 1999,

We are all well aware of what raiding on this server is like. BDA started and has progressed as a casual raiding guild. We have been fortunate to have progressed as far as we have, and plan to continue doing so with this great group of friends we have built. We also know what it is like to be a casual guild on a server perpetually dominated by a few guilds at the very top. We hope that other guilds on P99 can continue to progress to higher content as well.

BDA does not believe in any way that we own rights to any raid mobs, but we are aware that we have a larger active raid force right now than most. We also want to see a new leaf turned for P99. As such, we are making the following decisions open and public. While we hope and expect that other guilds will be competing with us for all raid targets, we want to ensure that the raid content is spread across the server.

The following raid targets will be left alone by BDA indefinitely:

Nagafen
Vox
Dracoliche (standalone spawns)
Alternate Maestros (2nd, 4th, etc)
Noble Dojorn
Talendor
Second Faydedar
Second Severilous

The following raid targets will be left up for at least two hours after spawning for any other guilds to attempt. After that BDA will host an open joint raid with any guilds that wish to attend. The loot will be rolled on by all present raiders who can use the gear that dropps:

Second Trakanon (and Fourth pending spawn) (excluding teeth and guts)
Second Venril Sathir (Excluding Dru/Rng/Wiz epic items)
Second Innorruuk
Second Gorenaire

Again, BDA makes no claims of possession over any other raid target. We just hope that in the future more cooperation can be seen across the entire spectrum of guilds on Project 1999.

See you in game!


Lets stick to the point of this thread -over. thanks.

[Lazortag]

Lady Vox is still up, and has been up for like a week. Someone should try organizing another public raid. That's not to say we couldn't kill her ourselves, but there's little desire to given that her loot isn't fantastic and it's a little too much trouble to move our alts to permafrost.

[Metallikus]

tobrins mystical eyepatch
staff of forbidden rites
rune bolstered belt
white dragon scale

yep, pretty terrible loot table.

[Otur]

tobrins mystical eyepatch
staff of forbidden rites
rune bolstered belt
white dragon scale

yep, pretty terrible loot table.

/do want

[Lazortag]

tobrins mystical eyepatch
staff of forbidden rites
rune bolstered belt
white dragon scale

yep, pretty terrible loot table.

For some reason I remembered her loot not being great, I guess just because she never dropped anything good when we killed her. I still think someone should try another public raid on her since there's little interest from non-BDA guilds, and it's a waste to see her left up for a week.

[Peak]

leave her for Full Circle to do in a few months time i say

[Bruman]

The main reason noone really cares about Vox as much is because she's out on the ass edge of nowhere. Noone wants to haul their 52 alt out there, then back to Naggy's lair. It's purely a convenience thing. If there was a wizard spire in Everfrost, she'd be dead.

[lilyanna]

Frost pots make it so easy and her loot is worth it :)

[Artah]

For some reason I remembered her loot not being great, I guess just because she never dropped anything good when we killed her. I still think someone should try another public raid on her since there's little interest from non-BDA guilds, and it's a waste to see her left up for a week.

Serious question here, will BDA continue this generosity even after their hand picked targets gets farmed by guilds other than BDA?

[arsenalpow]

Serious question here, will BDA continue this generosity even after their hand picked targets gets farmed by guilds other than BDA?

i don't think that's up to BDA is it?

[Artah]

i don't think that's up to BDA is it?

well they've been leaving those targets alone, not sure what the motives are but it seems like a generousity move to me.

[Ele]

The main reason noone really cares about Vox as much is because she's out on the ass edge of nowhere. Noone wants to haul their 52 alt out there, then back to Naggy's lair. It's purely a convenience thing. If there was a wizard spire in Everfrost, she'd be dead.

It takes like 20 minutes to move a SolB force to Permafrost, it is even easier if you move them directly after a Nagafen kill.

[Schortt]

Get two 52 alts, keep one in perma and one in SolB, problem solved! :D

[falkun]

FYI Venril Sathir <s>spawned</s> at 8:15 EDT this morning. Good luck to any other forces <s>attempting him</s> who joined the open raid!

**EDIT**: He was up prior to 8:15, but no one had killed him by then so BDA held their/our open raid. Sorry to ruin your PR xadion.

[Xadion]

FYI Venril Sathir spawned at 8:15 EDT this morning. Good luck to any other forces attempting him!

Yeah good luck to the others!

oh wait u just killed him

gratz!

[Wotsirb401]

Lady Vox is still up, and has been up for like a week. Someone should try organizing another public raid. That's not to say we couldn't kill her ourselves, but there's little desire to given that her loot isn't fantastic and it's a little too much trouble to move our alts to permafrost.

Pretty easy if you are prepped or have porters. Frost pot, run a few thousand feet to zone in

[Bruman]

Yeah good luck to the others!

oh wait u just killed him

gratz!

More ruining your anti-PR: Acryid and Divinity were there with us for the open raid.

Also: Draco and Maestro are up, I believe.

[sanluen]

Draco and Maestro are definitely both up. Hopefully we will also get a Vox raid going this evening as well!

[LizardNecro]

These open raids have been a ton of fun. It's been really fun to see everyone get so hype. I look forward to more of this!

[arsenalpow]

CT and draco are definitely up right now too, except he machine gun DTs now. So very awkward lol

[Tah]

CT and draco are definitely up right now too, except he machine gun DTs now. So very awkward lol

BEKKLON!

[arsenalpow]

super hilarious, that's like a 10 second time frame

http://i.imgur.com/lvMcr.png

[Pillow Armadillo]

super hilarious, that's like a 10 second time frame

When it happened to Divinity first, I thought Ambrotos was pulling a prank. Even though the zone's temporarily out-of-order, this was one of the funniest raid encounters I've ever been on.

[Bruman]

CT confirmed mad. Doesn't like anyone but TMO killing him, obviously. TMO cheats - they have NPCs on their side!

[Fromage]

super hilarious, that's like a 10 second time frame

http://i.imgur.com/lvMcr.png

I like how the first 5 names makes it seems like CT is having a meltdown and shouting random insults.

[Happyfeet]

I like how the first 5 names makes it seems like CT is having a meltdown and shouting random insults.

That's hilarious haha.

[Bruman]

I like how the first 5 names makes it seems like CT is having a meltdown and shouting random insults.

Hahahahahaha!

[sanluen]

Thanks for two weeks of fun, P99!

It was good seeing some old faces come back around. Hope to see you all around for weeks to come. See you all around Norrath!