Are we not here for the same reasons?

[Advisor]

I really don't get all the drama...

We all play EQ pvp because EQ pvp is fun, painful, frustrating, and keeps us wanting more.

I know Rogean is a ghost (dude has a real life I'm sure), and I know Amelinda doesn't really have much to do with the upcoming changes, but the fact is, THINGS WILL COME. Nilbog and the other developers wouldn't be checking the forums for bugs etc daily if they had no intentions of making changes.

Rogean will not plug the server.

Not even at 0.

We all still log in, every morning there are a few people on, as early as 8am EST.

People have fun, wether you like it or not. High population or Low population.

I am here today asking ALL of our friends and foes, enemies, and bestfriendemies to come log in and have some fun..

It's not that hard...

Many people from IF/Holo left because of their own reasons, not going to call anyone a pussy, rage quitter, or a cry baby.

We want our 100+ population back.

Come back, tell your friends, stop with this Legacy of Shittyboxingcode and come back to the server where you know PVP will happen.

The shit talking, corpse camping, griefing, and fun is awaiting all of you.

I hope to see more of you in the coming weeks.

[Pitborn]

This could turn it around for P99 Red.

[Seaweedpimp]

advisor you have to be the loudest most annoying troll of red 99.


just sayin.

[Advisor]

True,

I never complain, I never claim to be #1 PVP...

I do enjoy my share of shit talking though...

[Advisor]

As a lawyer you would only get posts for 2011 when the majority of the servers problems came in 2012

Push your argument.

Fact is, we are dickheads over here, we have the most drama, and the most shit talking, and the most blantant disrespect to the GM's.

Why the fuck would they want to talk to us?

[Advisor]

Well fuck me.

Rogean what do you have to say for this???


*crickets*

[SearyxTZ]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgs29wFmRp1qzhvdzo1_500.gif

[Lazortag]

Be transparent about the timeline. Wipe and reopen the server as a one-time thing (I think it's okay to do this since nobody is playing anyway) with a date set for Kunark release -- say 2 months. Hype the rerelease. People will play.

So you would have everyone lose months of progress, wipe the server with Kunark being released in 2 months... and then what? What happens to legacy items? Do you have some brilliant plan for those too? When do Fear and Hate get released? When does Sky get released? You can't space these out in any fair way if you have a pre-kunark period lasting only 2 months. Also, anyone who spent 10+ days leveling a character to 50 ends up losing everything and wasting their time. Therefore most people won't be interested in investing in the next box because they know their characters aren't necessarily safe from being wiped. Horrible idea.

[Advisor]

Be transparent about the timeline. Wipe and reopen the server as a one-time thing (I think it's okay to do this since nobody is playing anyway) with a date set for Kunark release -- say 2 months. Hype the rerelease. People will play.

I like this point above all.

Only because it gives the server a clean slate.

I believe many of the GM's that ignore us as a community do that because we write things such as "YOU FUCKING RETARDS SUCK COCK YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW RESIST SYSTEM WORKS, THE RESIST FUCKING SUCKS OMFG OMFOGMOFMGOFMG WHY CANT I KILL EVERYONE IN ONE HIT" "ALSO I WANT FUCKING YT...NOW"

Smedy, Vile, Devnoob, all of these GM's would be vigalante's and defy people like Rogean Nilbog Amelinda etc.

THAT is why they are not given any development access.

They are wankers.

With ZERO respect

Now.

I respect them, as people, and as fellow EQ players, but I would never want to see control put in the hands of the corrupt.

As great as the server could be, giving access to development tools to just anyone would cause chaos, and not just conspiracy about GM/Guild corruption but it would ACTUALLY FUCKING HAPPEN, and in turn, the server would die.

[Advisor]

The resist code is suffice, YT would be cool, so would /channels but you know what, all that shit is up to the people who put work into CREATING the server, and LOOKING at code, not to those who fucking play the game.

[SearyxTZ]

So you would have everyone lose months of progress, wipe the server with Kunark being released in 2 months... and then what? What happens to legacy items? Do you have some brilliant plan for those too? When do Fear and Hate get released? When does Sky get released? You can't space these out in any fair way if you have a pre-kunark period lasting only 2 months. Also, anyone who spent 10+ days leveling a character to 50 ends up losing everything and wasting their time. Therefore most people won't be interested in investing in the next box because they know their characters aren't necessarily safe from being wiped. Horrible idea.

Oh, ok. Keep playing with the other 9 people then + stubbornly defending blue server ideology as if it applies to red. You've clearly got your finger on the pulse of things.

I guess you can just scratch your head and wonder when you see the other shitbox down in the standard servers list has 5x the server pop.



I don't expect my suggestion to really be considered anyway.

[SearyxTZ]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgs29wFmRp1qzhvdzo1_500.gif

[Lazortag]

Oh, ok. Keep playing with the other 9 people then + stubbornly defending blue server ideology as if it applies to red. You've clearly got your finger on the pulse of things.

I guess you can just scratch your head and wonder when you see the other shitbox down in the standard servers list has 5x the server pop.

I don't expect my suggestion to really be considered anyway.

Blue server ideology? Where in my post did I say anything that could be remotely construed as that? What does that even mean? Your idea is bad because it doesn't solve any of the problems with the server, it's unnecessary, and it would discourage future players from rolling because they'd be afraid of losing all their progress. Didn't I say this already? You never explained why wiping the server would help at all. All of the other suggestions you talked about could be implemented without a wipe. Dumb idea is still dumb. I don't expect you to understand that since you barely responded to any part of my post.

[Aenor]

This could turn it around for P99 Red.

lol'd

[SearyxTZ]

Wolfram: Who is losing their progress here - the 10 people online? Should we just wait till that's 5? 0?


This server failed, hard - can we admit that? Good. It went from 700 to 10. It's done. Show's over.

Players like to start new/fresh (source: I ran VZTZ during its peak, have actually played previous red servers). If you launched with other features (adjusted exp) and an actual timeline, then players would want to start up here again. You label the past eight months as extended beta, which is what it has been, and write this off as a one-time only thing. Player trust isn't impacted because, again, no one is playing right now.

Still wouldn't work without active devs who care though. LoZ shitbox has that. This one doesn't. And since I don't have a brilliant solution for getting people to actually care: http://www.eqpvp.com/

[Bazia]

shitbox 4 lyfe, beats deadbox

[Lazortag]

Wolfram: Who is losing their progress here - the 10 people online? Should we just wait till that's 5? 0?

...

Players like to start new/fresh (source: I ran VZTZ during its peak, have actually played previous red servers). If you launched with other features (adjusted exp) and an actual timeline, then players would want to start up here again. You label the past eight months as extended beta, which is what it has been, and write this off as a one-time only thing. Player trust isn't impacted because, again, no one is playing right now.


Who's losing their progress, you ask? Well, me for one. I haven't logged in for weeks but I still don't want to lose my character in case the population turns around. I invested around 15 days of played time into my Bard and really enjoyed it. If the server wiped I wouldn't come back, and neither would a lot of people. I don't want to spend another minute grinding back up to 50, and I don't want to have the insecurity of knowing my character could be wiped at any moment. Some people are (naively I admit) waiting for Kunark, or PoSky, and still want their characters in tact even though they aren't online right now. That's too much of a risk to take just because you have some hunch that people "like a fresh start".

Let me try to make this simpler (I mean this in the least condescending way possible):

You have two choices, one is implementing a bunch of changes, the other is wiping and reopening with those changes implemented. If the changes you implement are good enough to bring people back after wiping, then they're good enough to bring people back if you don't wipe. You just need to bring lots of people back at once, which means you need to advertise the changes well beforehand. Wiping isn't necessary and will just deter many players from rerolling and investing their time into the server. Rogean said "we're never going to do a wipe", so people would lose trust if he suddenly wiped the server.

Also, give up on LoZ, and stop advertising it on these forums. It's a waste of your time to roll on a server whose population will never hit triple digits (even with boxing allowed). At least red99 is salvageable due to having years of dev work put into it and not being colossally buggy.

[Bazia]

LoZ has a GROWING population, something red hasnt had in months.

Also it's not nearly as buggy as you are desperately trying to make it sound like it is.

[SearyxTZ]

Who's losing their progress, you ask? Well, me for one. I haven't logged in for weeks but I still don't want to lose my character in case the population turns around. I invested around 15 days of played time into my Bard and really enjoyed it. If the server wiped I wouldn't come back, and neither would a lot of people. I don't want to spend another minute grinding back up to 50, and I don't want to have the insecurity of knowing my character could be wiped at any moment. Some people are (naively I admit) waiting for Kunark, or PoSky, and still want their characters in tact even though they aren't online right now. That's too much of a risk to take just because you have some hunch that people "like a fresh start".

Let me try to make this simpler (I mean this in the least condescending way possible):

You have two choices, one is implementing a bunch of changes, the other is wiping and reopening with those changes implemented. If the changes you implement are good enough to bring people back after wiping, then they're good enough to bring people back if you don't wipe. You just need to bring lots of people back at once, which means you need to advertise the changes well beforehand. Wiping isn't necessary and will just deter many players from rerolling and investing their time into the server. Rogean said "we're never going to do a wipe", so people would lose trust if he suddenly wiped the server.

Also, give up on LoZ, and stop advertising it on these forums. It's a waste of your time to roll on a server whose population will never hit triple digits (even with boxing allowed). At least red99 is salvageable due to having years of dev work put into it and not being colossally buggy.

I think you're hopelessly out of touch with the red playerbase to the point of naivete, and have not acknowledged that the population isn't going to magically come back because of a PvE content release or cramming more zones/grind into a server that doesn't need them. Time to be more open-minded about this.

My assumptions on player interest aren't "a hunch" - it's years of experience on the pvp servers that came before this one. Do you really think a restart wouldn't pique interest and spike/multiply the population, at this point? Yes, you reach the point where player trust/security is impacted (VZTZ wiped too many times), but I wouldn't have suggested it if I thought that would be an issue. And at some point if this server is to be salvaged, something has to be done. What's your solution.... release Kunark?


I agree that LoZ is pretty god damn buggy. I've also heard in the past that Devnoob is kind of shady, but at this point apparently more people are willing to trust him because he's at least active and communicative.

Your insistence on classic exp rate is what I meant when I said blue server ideology - you always argued in favor of that, and even admit that you'd hate to climb back up to 50 at the current rate. I would, too. The VZTZ exp rate should have been in on this server from the start. It's not even my personal preference. It's me talking to people who refused to play here because it was too slow and time consuming. That exp rate only works if you have a decent amount of players in most of the zones. Demanding that players here solo grind their way up just to see pvp is really shitty and unclassic.

[Bazia]

Searyx spitting dat fire

[SearyxTZ]

He should be questioning why people are playing on LoZ instead of this server (even in spite of the bugs).

[Lazortag]

I think you're hopelessly out of touch with the red playerbase to the point of naivete, and have not acknowledged that the population isn't going to magically come back because of a PvE content release or cramming more zones/grind into a server that doesn't need them. Time to be more open-minded about this.


What??? You have completely the wrong idea about me. I even said in another thread that releasing Kunark/Sky wouldn't significantly increase the population. This is not what I support at all.

What's your solution.... release Kunark?

No. See above.


Your insistence on classic exp rate is what I meant when I said blue server ideology - you always argued in favor of that, and even admit that you'd hate to climb back up to 50 at the current rate. I would, too. The VZTZ exp rate should have been in on this server from the start. It's not even my personal preference. It's me talking to people who refused to play here because it was too slow and time consuming. That exp rate only works if you have a decent amount of players in most of the zones. Demanding that players here solo grind their way up just to see pvp is really shitty and unclassic.

This would be relevant in some way if I hadn't recently argued for a (temporary) exp bonus to help the population. Classic exp is my personal preference, but I understand that the server can't go on with exp the way it is.

...
My assumptions on player interest aren't "a hunch" - it's years of experience on the pvp servers that came before this one. Do you really think a restart wouldn't pique interest and spike/multiply the population, at this point? Yes, you reach the point where player trust/security is impacted (VZTZ wiped too many times), but I wouldn't have suggested it if I thought that would be an issue. ...

I think your experience is with the wrong types of players. People from the VZTZ crowd want to jump from server to server, proclaiming box dominance after they've leveled to 50 in less than a week, or proclaiming GM bias/hacks/etc. when things don't go their way until the server fails. They want a wipe because eq is funnest to them when they've just started on a new server. But what about people who wouldn't come back because their character gets deleted? I don't just speak for myself, many people wouldn't come back. That's too big of a risk to take for some uncertain benefit of players liking fresh starts.

[PhantomRogue]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Dude you started an ANTI PK GUILD on a PK Server. This is all that ever needs to be said about you.


http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53658

Like Nelson Mandela, we anti-PKers

[SearyxTZ]

I think your experience is with the wrong types of players. People from the VZTZ crowd want to jump from server to server, proclaiming box dominance after they've leveled to 50 in less than a week, or proclaiming GM bias/hacks/etc. when things don't go their way until the server fails. They want a wipe because eq is funnest to them when they've just started on a new server. But what about people who wouldn't come back because their character gets deleted? I don't just speak for myself, many people wouldn't come back. That's too big of a risk to take for some uncertain benefit of players liking fresh starts.

Weigh how many players wouldn't come back vs how many players would come back



Willing to bet the latter is far greater than the former. Too big of a risk to take? On a server where 26 are online currently and hundreds (thousands?) have quit for various reasons? I'd say we can afford to take some risks.

[Advisor]

You have two choices, one is implementing a bunch of changes, the other is wiping and reopening with those changes implemented. If the changes you implement are good enough to bring people back after wiping, then they're good enough to bring people back if you don't wipe. You just need to bring lots of people back at once, which means you need to advertise the changes well beforehand. Wiping isn't necessary and will just deter many players from rerolling and investing their time into the server. Rogean said "we're never going to do a wipe", so people would lose trust if he suddenly wiped the server.



Gold.

*continues reading posts*

[Lazortag]

Dude you started an ANTI PK GUILD on a PK Server. This is all that ever needs to be said about you.

...Which is something many people did on Live, in the classic era. I should have known I'd be ridiculed for wanting some variety on this server. Really the main reason I started the guild was so that people would have a place where they didn't have to read racist/homophobic shit in their guild chat... you know that there are people interested in this server who aren't bigots and trolls, right?

[Advisor]

Wipe with 40000000000000x XP boost for 2 weeks :P

[Bazia]

why does rogean never post

[Advisor]

He don't read this little stuff.

Too much arguing back and forth, and side comments, threads get big quick, and theres too much shit to read through.

Wish I could moderate my own thread, id cut the bullshit.

[SearyxTZ]

You just need to bring lots of people back at once, which means you need to advertise the changes well beforehand.

I agree on this btw. I just don't see it happening.

[hagard]

only posts when his adsense money is in jeopardy

HE HE HE

[Bazia]

He don't read this little stuff.

Too much arguing back and forth, and side comments, threads get big quick, and theres too much shit to read through.

Wish I could moderate my own thread, id cut the bullshit.

Too much shit for him to read through?

I can read this whole thread in like 2 minutes, does he have down syndrome?

[Grahm]

Wipe.

Harrison for lead GM / Forum Moderator

3x XP

YT & global OOC (best part of LoZ)

Amazing server with no hax / pathing ploits cuz u know bigbadharry will be on that shit like Sunny Kofax and Julian...AKA Frankenstein

[Bardalicious]

LoZ has a GROWING population, something red hasnt had in months.

Also it's not nearly as buggy as you are desperately trying to make it sound like it is.

Hey, want to hear something interesting? Not many of you may know this yet so I'll start spitting some facts your way....

Legacy of Zek = Red69

Red69 = FAILED BOX, EVERYONE STOPPED PLAYING, LEFT IT FOR DEAD

Red69 Dev(s) = Owned Kings and Bandits server right before it.

Kings and Bandits = FAILED BOX, EVERYONE STOPPED PLAYING, LEFT IT FOR DEAD

Stop acting like LoZ is some brand new fucking pvp box to play on, because it's not. It has failed twice already, and yet it's somehow the savior of eqpvp when the crybaby bitches don't get their way on Red99. You retards have the facts of the matter slapping you in the face and still can't accept it for some reason.

What's even more entertaining is the fact that the EQEmu pvp crowd has already taken steaming hot shats upon Devnoob and Image boxes.... twice now. And yet he's still welcoming you with open arms. That's not a kind and understanding developer. That's a fucking sucker that's too desperate for population that he doesn't care he's hosting a box to the same people that have shit on him twice in the past year alone already.

Have fun reliving the failure of Kings and Bandits 3.0 guise.

[hagard]

I'm pretty sure no one knew loz was r69

[Bardalicious]

I'm pretty sure no one knew loz was r69

I'm pretty sure every active member of the pvp section of this forum knew it, and yet are too fucking stupid to connect the obvious dots of the future of the renamed server.

[hagard]

No one knew it, it doesn't even say it in the server title

[Bardalicious]

No one knew it, it doesn't even say it in the server title

omg so faunny trallz

[Bazia]

bardalicious mad hes banned from LoZ, also trolled by swagard

[PhantomRogue]

Red69 is not the answer.

A modified version of Red99 is.

Hot Zone, Yellow Text and Kunark.

Win win win.

[Bardalicious]

bardalicious mad hes banned from LoZ, also trolled by swagard

I wouldn't waste the effort of double-clicking my OpenVPN connection first to be able to play KaB 3.0, sorry.

Also, I guess ur new to this trolling thang.

[Bazia]

u banned/mad for hacking errbody noes it.

[SearyxTZ]

Hey, want to hear something interesting? Not many of you may know this yet so I'll start spitting some facts your way....

Legacy of Zek = Red69

Red69 = FAILED BOX, EVERYONE STOPPED PLAYING, LEFT IT FOR DEAD

Red69 Dev(s) = Owned Kings and Bandits server right before it.

Kings and Bandits = FAILED BOX, EVERYONE STOPPED PLAYING, LEFT IT FOR DEAD

Stop acting like LoZ is some brand new fucking pvp box to play on, because it's not. It has failed twice already, and yet it's somehow the savior of eqpvp when the crybaby bitches don't get their way on Red99. You retards have the facts of the matter slapping you in the face and still can't accept it for some reason.

What's even more entertaining is the fact that the EQEmu pvp crowd has already taken steaming hot shats upon Devnoob and Image boxes.... twice now. And yet he's still welcoming you with open arms. That's not a kind and understanding developer. That's a fucking sucker that's too desperate for population that he doesn't care he's hosting a box to the same people that have shit on him twice in the past year alone already.

Have fun reliving the failure of Kings and Bandits 3.0 guise.

You sound really angry over nothing.

People left Red69 (or passed on it) because they were all waiting for Red99. It was timing, not people "shitting on him" or some massive failure. No one expected him to compete with the guy running the entire eqemu project who had the P1999 source at his disposal.

[Bardalicious]

You sound really angry over nothing.

People left Red69 (or passed on it) because they were all waiting for Red99. It was timing, not people "shitting on him" or some massive failure. No one expected him to compete with the guy running the entire eqemu project who had the P1999 source at his disposal.

So you deny Freakyuno opening a PVP box during this time period that drew a higher population than KaB? You deny the Tarwine box that did the same? The shitty VZTZ rehash that Secrets trolled us with and then immediately shut down?

You're right. It must have been all on Rogean and Nilbog for making KaB 1.0 and 2.0 such horrible failures, rofl. :rolleyes:

[Bardalicious]

u banned/mad for hacking errbody noes it.

0/10 swag in this post

[Bazia]

Red69 is not the answer.

A modified version of Red99 is.

Hot Zone, Yellow Text and Kunark.

Win win win.

LoZ much closer to answer then current red99, hence the large population difference/exodus to LoZ.

Guilded with people from Nihilum and Ex-holo and many others atm on LoZ we're all having a blast.

[Bardalicious]

LoZ much closer to answer then current red99, hence the large population difference/exodus to LoZ.

Guilded with people from Nihilum and Ex-holo and many others atm on LoZ we're all having a blast.

Red99 pop 36 single box
LoZ pop 50 with probable dual boxing still enabled

Not sure if weak troll or really just this dumb.

[Bazia]

cuz everybody 2 boxes just because its enabled, man u mad.


6 PM EST:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/Phototurtle/Capture1.png

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/Phototurtle/Capture2.png

Anyone else remember when we were suggesting fixes for pop when 87 was average lol?

[Harr1son]

yay

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgs29wFmRp1qzhvdzo1_500.gif

[Bardalicious]

cuz everybody 2 boxes just because its enabled, man u mad.


Have fun reliving the failure of Kings and Bandits 3.0 guise.

[hagard]

0/10 swag in this post

You are not qualified to judge that 0/10 swag from fagalicious

[Bardalicious]

You are not qualified to judge that 0/10 swag from fagalicious

http://www.project1999.org/forums/group.php?groupid=18

I'm like the Grand Imperial Wizard.

Fyi "fag" in any iteration is 0/10 swags, so ashamed.

[Bardalicious]

994 posts NEARLY GODLIKE STATUS. WHO R U TO DEFY ME????!!11one

[bilbobaggins]

Who's losing their progress, you ask? Well, me for one. I haven't logged in for weeks but I still don't want to lose my character in case the population turns around. I invested around 15 days of played time into my Bard and really enjoyed it. If the server wiped I wouldn't come back, and neither would a lot of people. I don't want to spend another minute grinding back up to 50

interesting. sounds like you consider the time it took to get from 1-50 a waste of time and would not do it again. sounds like exp rate is fucking terrible.

if you are playing an emu server and are that attached to your character you are playing for the wrong reasons. imo of course. ;)

[bilbobaggins]

Hey, want to hear something interesting? Not many of you may know this yet so I'll start spitting some facts your way....

Legacy of Zek = Red69

Red69 = FAILED BOX, EVERYONE STOPPED PLAYING, LEFT IT FOR DEAD

Red69 Dev(s) = Owned Kings and Bandits server right before it.

Kings and Bandits = FAILED BOX, EVERYONE STOPPED PLAYING, LEFT IT FOR DEAD

Stop acting like LoZ is some brand new fucking pvp box to play on, because it's not. It has failed twice already, and yet it's somehow the savior of eqpvp when the crybaby bitches don't get their way on Red99. You retards have the facts of the matter slapping you in the face and still can't accept it for some reason.

What's even more entertaining is the fact that the EQEmu pvp crowd has already taken steaming hot shats upon Devnoob and Image boxes.... twice now. And yet he's still welcoming you with open arms. That's not a kind and understanding developer. That's a fucking sucker that's too desperate for population that he doesn't care he's hosting a box to the same people that have shit on him twice in the past year alone already.

Have fun reliving the failure of Kings and Bandits 3.0 guise.

y'all so concerned with this box that box which box failed which box is going to fail.

winning the box. attached to your 15 days played toons.

wtf bros. thought this was eq pvp lmao.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Well, one guild was here for a specific reason that well.. lets just say did not work out like they envisoned:


Computer, post the findings of my research

title: How to win Red99

query: /who all count
result: There are 20 players online.

query: /who all "Holocaust" count
result: There are 20 players online.

http://d37nnnqwv9amwr.cloudfront.net/photos/images/newsfeed/000/106/789/images.jpeg

Thank you, computer.

So much huff and puff, just to get griefed off the server four months in. Has been nothing but one excuse after the other since. Everyones fault but their own.

[bilbobaggins]

who are you replying to?

do you assume every poster that disagrees with you was in holocaust?

[heartbrand]

who are you replying to?

do you assume every poster that disagrees with you was in holocaust?

I lol every time I see him post this to random newbies who have 0 connection to holocaust.

[Harr1son]

this thread, gripping, informative. inclusive. thanks advisor. stamping it with my 'good read' stamp of approval.

http://tibet.prm.ox.ac.uk/photos/opt/400/BMH.F.74.1-O.jpg

[Nirgon]

Please fall and break your neck