boxing or PLing?

[Rydar]

Quick question please:

If I group with a friend who is logged on his account in another state and then he afks and auto follows me in group while I xp, is that against the rules/boxing?

Or does he have to not be afk, even if he is on his account/his house in another state?

Thanks.

[Destan]

Just shooting from the hip, I'd say that's fine. You'll be hurting your own xp intake and run the risk of something happening (loses auto-follow, dies, etc) that will only make it a pain in the ass. I say go for it. It sounds like more work than it's worth to be honest...

[dcapotos]

Yes, assuming that "friend" doesn't mean you remotely connecting to your other PC to circumvent the security checks and powerlevel your other characters.

[Seaweedpimp]

Kinda been curious about this aswell, but i allready do it sometimes, assumed within the ruleset as i am not controlling but one char.

[Taryth]

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't it possible to use a proxy, making it appear as though the second computer is in some remote location from the first?*

I'm sure they have some way of confirming whether or not the two computers are in separate physical locations. In any case, it probably takes a little time, and I'd imagine you might get a temp ban while they sort it out.










*I learned of proxies solely through reading about people coming back to the P99 boards via proxy servers to avoid their IP bans, sorry if that's completely inaccurate. Thanks Harrison!

[fadetree]

Yes, its possible in a number of ways, and no they cannot tell for sure whether the computers are in separate physical locations.

[Kevlar]

I'd think if they catch you that you could be banned. Its still 2-boxing anyway if your
"friend" isn't there. Its too easy to log on with a different IP address even from the same computer.

[Atmas]

Quick question please:

If I group with a friend who is logged on his account in another state and then he afks and auto follows me in group while I xp, is that against the rules/boxing?

Or does he have to not be afk, even if he is on his account/his house in another state?

Thanks.

I think you added unnecessary suspicion about your playing. If your friend is a distinctly different person and you are both fine with someone afking while someone kills stuff that isn't really different from allowing someone you don't know to afk in a group while you kill stuff.

[Lazortag]

If you aren't on the same IP and you're actually different people I don't see the problem, and I don't see any risk. I wouldn't feel at risk if I were PLing a guildie while they were AFK, if it was someone whose account info I don't have access to. If it were my fiancee who was "afk" for 8 hours straight and her computer was right next to mine, well, that's basically 2-boxing and I wouldn't risk doing that.

[Destan]

I'd think if they catch you that you could be banned. Its still 2-boxing anyway if your
"friend" isn't there. Its too easy to log on with a different IP address even from the same computer.

It's more like 1/2-boxing than two-boxing. If his friend just logs on and leaves, and this guy has no access to that computer to do anything up to and including moving that toon, then all that's going to happen is he's STILL going to be playing one character but sharing the experience with another at absolutely no gain. So in that case I say go for it, since it'd literally be him just being way too nice to his buddy who shouldn't be so damn lazy.

Assuming everything mentioned was true, of course.

[Galaa]

Say in a group of 3, one of them goes AFKing for prolonged period (like 1 hour), as long as the group is fine with it, I dont see any issue. Me and my group of RL friends always take turns to AFK for around 30mins or so (to have our meals, bathe or other RL stuffs etc), and since all of us are taking turns to AFK, its fair to all of us and we never feel we're breaking any rules. We're all similar level, and thus we wanna XP together to maintain our levels to be the same, thus we will never ask any of us to leave simply because anyone needs to AFK.

So I don think there's a rule against AFKing.

Can any GMs come and clarify please? If AFKing is NOT allowed, GMs should let the server know, least anyone gets banned because GMs did not make things clear.

[Rydar]

Just wondering if i can let my friend (who does not play as much) afk in my group while I xp. Nothing shady, I just do not want to do ANYTHING that puts my account at risk. I dont have (nor want) an IP exemption btw.

[Striiker]

If there are two players and one is following the other afk getting XP etc. There is nothing in the rules against this (or shouldn't be). Yes, people can proxy out to avoid having to use an IP exemption and then be under scrutiny but there's nothing which can be done about this in my opinion. If someone wants to do things which are prohibited on the server (boxing, using programs to display spawns etc), they can find ways to do it of they have enough technical knowledge to do so. It's a sad fact. I honestly don't understand why people would come to this server in particular with the intent of boxing or using programs to cheat. There are a lot of other servers in the EMU world which allow such practices. The whole idea of this server is to play on something which is truly challenging and is a close copy of the game as it originally was.
So, in my opinion, running around with someone following you AFK while getting XP should be fine but I'm not a GM. You may wish to submit that question in the petitions section, PM a GM or hop onto the IRC chnl where they regularly hang out.

[bahummut]

This sort of thing happend all the time pre kunark.. when lvl 50's would be farming something in Lguk. I had guild members at the time tell me i could come sit there afk ina safe spot while the farmed the fbss or whatever it is they were going. It's not 2 boxing at all if you are only on one character. You're just helping someone lvl pretty much.

[Faisca]

Helping someone leveling faster is ok. I just wish people wouldn’t do it in popular group exp spots, especially in server prime time, where those actions can prevent 6, 12 or even more people from leveling there. :(

It’s bad enough with people being allowed to perma-camp spots where gear drops. It would be horrible if we end up with a server where group exp spots are permanently camped as well, with Pling.

[Slave]

As an extension of this question, would it be allowable to have your Significant Other's characters follow you around in the same way and gain exp as long as you don't touch their computer?

Because I cannot see that as being allowable, yet it is the exact same thing as you doing it with your friends across country. So we are entering a very big gray area which is probably a Bad Thing, and I would say just stay the hell away from anything at all that looks like this. At the least it can lead to petitions that the GMs would have to investigate, taking up their valuable time.

[Daldaen]

Too much gray area, too much crusading against boxing. Just allow it, problem kafixed!

[sambal]

Quick question please:

If I group with a friend who is logged on his account in another state and then he afks and auto follows me in group while I xp, is that against the rules/boxing?

Or does he have to not be afk, even if he is on his account/his house in another state?

Thanks.



This is a really stupid ass question, and it just proves you are boxing. How many times do you have to say "in a different state".

Short answer: NO.
It's not against the rules.

Long answer:
You're lying and just trying to cover your back for when a GM finds you. Why would having YOUR FRIEND IN ANOTHER STATE *cough* going AFK get you banned. You make me sick.

This is like saying, "I have a friend who has herpes, do you have any advice for my friend, who is not me, who has herpes?"

[Reptak]

If you are just having your friend follow you around sharing your exp so you can level together, I can't imagine anything would be wrong with that, per se.

However, is your friend a bard? I never played a bard, so I don't know if a bard can continuously play a song like haste/regen/selo's/DoT. If they miss a note, is the song over? or will they continue playing it? To be honest, I am not sure if this would be against the boxing rule or another rule or perfectly fine.

What I do know is that you are opening yourself up to suspicion. At at some point, someone will report you for boxing (or a guide/GM would witness you) and you will likely be scrutinized harshly. I would imagine (I do not know) that when suspected of boxing, both players are asked to do certain things to prove they are not boxing. If the other party does not respond...well, I dunno. Would look pretty bad. I would imagine that a guide/gm would first look to see if you are gaining an advantage by grouping and not just sharing exp.

Your choice, but this server is not a court of law. If accused, you will have to prove your innocence and I am just not sure how you could.

[Lazortag]

However, is your friend a bard? I never played a bard, so I don't know if a bard can continuously play a song like haste/regen/selo's/DoT. If they miss a note, is the song over? or will they continue playing it? To be honest, I am not sure if this would be against the boxing rule or another rule or perfectly fine.

If you're passively playing a song it will never end unless the Bard gets stunned. I don't know of any way to have a Bard play multiple songs in a rotation while AFK, and don't think it's possible since /melody isn't in. So yeah you could have a Bard continuously play an AE while you pull mobs on top of them, but it's not as efficient as if the Bard were not AFK.

[Supaskillz]

I found this little tidbit

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653

6. AFK camping is not respected and is frowned upon, if caught afk camping you will be booted to the character select screen.

its pretty old though

[Sodapop]

I found this little tidbit

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653



its pretty old though


i xp'd afk a bit in my 30's when i got the first sham pet, and i did get booted a few times. But its not rule breaking!

[isoka]

i xp'd afk a bit in my 30's when i got the first sham pet, and i did get booted a few times. But its not rule breaking!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5bqq4ttFk1qb0kg5.gif

[Kevlar]

If you're passively playing a song it will never end unless the Bard gets stunned. I don't know of any way to have a Bard play multiple songs in a rotation while AFK, and don't think it's possible since /melody isn't in. So yeah you could have a Bard continuously play an AE while you pull mobs on top of them, but it's not as efficient as if the Bard were not AFK.

Any programmable mouse or keyboard has repeatable macros. Heck there are a lot of downloadable programs that will repeat keystrokes over and over again. Or just tape a key down. Harkens back to the days of Ultima Online and macros for mining. Get your str and health maxed while you sleep.

[Destan]

This is a really stupid ass question, and it just proves you are boxing. How many times do you have to say "in a different state".

Short answer: NO.
It's not against the rules.

Long answer:
You're lying and just trying to cover your back for when a GM finds you. Why would having YOUR FRIEND IN ANOTHER STATE *cough* going AFK get you banned. You make me sick.

This is like saying, "I have a friend who has herpes, do you have any advice for my friend, who is not me, who has herpes?"

Some people have subpar skills with written English (even if they speak the language fluently) and often repeat themselves.

Additionally, I have friends in other states that I regularly game with so it's not an unusual thing to mention. I don't think he's lying, more that he's concerned with the 'gray area' it represents and wanted to be as clear as possible to get a complete answer.

We can store the pitchforks back in the barn, Frankentstien's monster isn't in this thread...

[Galaa]

If you're passively playing a song it will never end unless the Bard gets stunned. I don't know of any way to have a Bard play multiple songs in a rotation while AFK, and don't think it's possible since /melody isn't in. So yeah you could have a Bard continuously play an AE while you pull mobs on top of them, but it's not as efficient as if the Bard were not AFK.

this reminded me of my bard back in live.

Back then, I spend most of my time playing with guildmates for XPing. And even at times when Im busy with real life stuffs, my guildies would say "Just login and AFK with manasong on". And thats what I did many times, login my bard, sits at camp spot with them, and AFK with manasong on. My guildies would pull mobs to camp spot for killing, and they just needed my manasong to keep them going. With manasong, im reducing much downtime for them, even though im an AFKing XP leecher.

[snow_man]

Supaskillz, pretty sure the link you provided is semi-old/has been addressed already by GM staff. AFK pet killing was previously do-able to where a mage could leave his pet in a certain spot goto sleep for the night, wake up the next morning a few levels higher. They have made changes to the game to remove that issue.

Rydar, as others have noted, it does bring suspicion as others have noted... So I would at least have your buddies phone number incase the GM's come askin questions so that you can both talk to them at the same time =) No rules against the AFK thing though, I know at times I get bored of whats going on with what my guilds killing and go AFK to make dinner or grab some beer (as do my guildies) and often exp is obtained. There would be no way to make a rule that says, "You can't receive or help others get EXP while AFK." End game can require 9 hour runs, and while I know some people are addicted enough to have a pee bag and poop bucket next to them, most of us are not =p

As far as the husband and wife grey area, it cracks me up how many husband wife combos exist on this server, but that is a WHOLE different category. When those people request an IP exemption, they get placed into a complete different set of rules. So those that want the IP exemption so badly, so they can box, and then find out it still doesn't allow them to box like to cry, "It's not fair that the non-ip exempt people are able to get away with more." Simple rule of thumb is, if your not boxing, your not gonna get banned for it. When you try to fanagle the rules and get caught, well you get banned.

[Artah]

It would be nice to get a clear answer from the GM because I'd like to logon a char at work and AFK while my wife levels both of our chars if she's home. I would be doing the same thing for her when she's busy doing something and I am home and can play. It would be nice to remove this grey area. I think it's time to update the no two boxing rule with details~

It would really suck to get banned because you fell asleep on your computer and the rest of the group or duo partner got you exp while you were accidentally afk for a long time. The otherside of this coin is if one person is doing all the work for two characters to benefit then it would seem like that's two boxing.

[hdawg06]

I cannot imagine 2 different ips would be considered boxing, especially if they are so far away...

[Scavrefamn]

Long answer:
You're lying and just trying to cover your back for when a GM finds you. Why would having YOUR FRIEND IN ANOTHER STATE *cough* going AFK get you banned. You make me sick.

This is like saying, "I have a friend who has herpes, do you have any advice for my friend, who is not me, who has herpes?"

[Artah]

yes, you caught me i'm one of those that have an imaginary wife that weighs 10lbs or at least that's how much pressure is needed to blow her up into shape.