With all of the complaining...

[Rust1d?]

It seems that people really wanted a classic server with good exp etc. What boggles my mind is that we already had this in K&B and RED69. You had classic with devs who were working on content daily and would respond fast to posts. Granted K&B had a small twist, but they had leader boards, rewards for pvp and teams. I think it would have been better if it were just a modified good vs evil instead of 4 teams.

If people stuck around, we would have had Kunark and Velious content by now and a huge population. Other than things like Nexus being in the game and translocators, why did people turn their back on the server?

[Haul]

http://www.maxfreak.com/diablo3/images/diablo-3-announcement.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

no idea what K and B is but a brilliant tale my friend.

[Misto]

hacks. legitimacy.

[SamwiseRed]

I love how all the basement dwellers think they are gonna make some coin while enjoying the new Diablo game. Soon they will see that they wont be makin a dime and the game is terrible.

[Rust1d?]

Kings and Bandits was a classic pvp server made by Image and Devnoob. They had 4 teams and you would get coins for pvp kills which you could use to buy items. For example, you could buy a guise for 2 coins.

[Rust1d?]

hacks. legitimacy.

Never came across any hacks and those who did cheat were banned.

[heartbrand]

I just didn't know of emu servers at the time, had I, it def sounds like somewhere I would have played

[SamwiseRed]

why do people think an even amount of teams works. has to be an odd number, must have neuts! anyway sounds cool and like HB i didnt know of eq pvp emus till xmas weekend.

[Rust1d?]

http://www.eqpvp.com/

[Hovis]

http://www.eqpvp.com/

red 69 was fun as hell imo
even with the insanely low pop.. u get 50 quite easily, gear up faster -- pvp all the time over solb, etc ... loved it when it had ~50... all it needed was anti-hack code, advertising and it would be golden

[gloinz]

Kings and Bandits was a classic pvp server made by Image and Devnoob. They had 4 teams and you would get coins for pvp kills which you could use to buy items. For example, you could buy a guise for 2 coins.

[Rust1d?]

I am not sure what ani-hack code they had but I know they did catch people who cheated/hacked. Also, there was ALWAYS pvp. We used to just port from zone to zone looking for pvp and spent a good amount of time fending off people who would train us trying to kill vox/naggy. Good times were had...especially when darksinga would try to train us in fear and we would just /target darksinga and send in blinding horses. The QQ that followed was funny.

[Lazortag]

Kings and Bandits was a classic pvp server made by Image and Devnoob. They had 4 teams and you would get coins for pvp kills which you could use to buy items. For example, you could buy a guise for 2 coins.

It wasn't classic at all. Spells file exploits were still possible. Factions were beyond screwed up. Pathing was awful. The server looked like no work was put into it at all.

Never came across any hacks and those who did cheat were banned.

How did they catch them? Especially with something like ShowEQ, how would they know the person was using it? Only p99 has had any reliable level of cheat detection.

red 69 was fun as hell imo ...

I was actually at the top of the leaderboard on that server until well after I quit. I had only one pvp death (that's when I quit).

[Tassador]

all new chars should start off with epic until pop goes up.

[Bardalicious]

It seems that people really wanted a classic server with good exp etc. What boggles my mind is that we already had this in K&B and RED69. You had classic with devs who were working on content daily and would respond fast to posts. Granted K&B had a small twist, but they had leader boards, rewards for pvp and teams. I think it would have been better if it were just a modified good vs evil instead of 4 teams.

If people stuck around, we would have had Kunark and Velious content by now and a huge population. Other than things like Nexus being in the game and translocators, why did people turn their back on the server?

K&B was destined to fail because of the asshats running the server. Both of them were exiled from EQEmu because of their entitled, better-than-thou behavior.

Red69, if I recall correctly, was put up by Freakyuno. He had no experience running an EQ server, much less a PVP server. He's a good guy, but it didn't take him long to fold his cards and pop up a WOW emu instead.

Red99, on the other hand, is being run by the staff that has the best record for running a classic server. They have all of the research done on what should be in and what shouldn't - unlike some shitty reincarnation of a pvp server using the horribly flawed VZTZ database and coding.

But really, what it comes down to despite the previous points, is that the pvp community here will NEVER be happy. Period. They'd rather bitch about every single aspect of a server that they play on for free, quit playing, then troll the rest of the people that choose to keep playing and/or the staff running the server.

[Bardalicious]

How did they catch them? Especially with something like ShowEQ, how would they know the person was using it? Only p99 has had any reliable level of cheat detection.


Kings and Bandits had cheat PREVENTION, not so much DETECTION. They used a modified eqgame.exe (illegal, btw) to break MQ2 from being able to hook into the client. And at some point, they also insta-banned anyone that tried connecting to their shitty server if they didn't have an eqgame.exe that matched theirs.

[Bardalicious]

For those interested in the PvE mob control route, this remains the choice of server. Kunark eventually will pop it up because there will be world PvP and ganking again.

If Red99 stayed even in terms of expansion progression with P99, it would definitely do better. A lot of blue players would rather have the option to fight over raid targets rather than deal with the fucked up care bear system on P99. But being that they get to raid in Kunark on P99 still, most wont make that switch.

Not to mention the itemization gets a lot better in Kunark. Monks with Ton Po's or Tstaff and fungi tunic? Oh snap, shit just got real. And as much as I hate to detract from the classic experience at all, xp should be bumped a bit. Especially for Kunark, where 50-60 is like pulling teeth.

The hotzone idea someone brought up would be neat to inspire more concentrated pvping. Having like 1.5x - 2x xp rates on weekends would probably get the server pop up as well.

[FoxxHound]

http://www.maxfreak.com/diablo3/images/diablo-3-announcement.jpg

I am gonna miss necromancers :(
I hate witch doctors, and by witch doctors I mean weaklings.

[SearyxTZ]

Rust1d?: You make one of these threads like every 2 months, and it's obvious that you are one of the two devs (either devnoob or image).

I have already responded to this before but Ill do so again

1.) The timing on "red69" could not have been any worse -- coming after the shutdown of Secrets little VZTZ clone, and prior to the launch of the looming red99. Most players were going to take a pass on your server and wait for red99 which was being developed by the main eqemu guy (Rogean) who had a track record of professionalism and stability compared to other "running this off a spare box out of my garage" sandbox devs who had lesser resources and reputation.

2.) You named it "red69". Unless you were trying to attract 12 year olds who still think the 69 number is hilarious + outrageous, all this did was make you look even less legit in light of the upcoming red99.
For naming convention: VZTZ == good. Guild Wars == good. Red69 == bad.

3.) K&B was plainly custom. When you make the choice to go custom, you say goodbye to a huge % of your potential players. I think custom servers can work but it's a much higher mountain to climb that takes a longer time and word of mouth from players convincing other players that this non-classic server is worth playing and not just some hacky aimless crap a bored CS major cobbled together. I empathize with all the guys trying to make custom servers work (Secrets included) but it's a lot harder to sell on people. Most just want the classic EQ they remember.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

K&B was destined to fail because of the asshats running the server. Both of them were exiled from EQEmu because of their entitled, better-than-thou behavior.

Red69, if I recall correctly, was put up by Freakyuno. He had no experience running an EQ server, much less a PVP server. He's a good guy, but it didn't take him long to fold his cards and pop up a WOW emu instead.

Red99, on the other hand, is being run by the staff that has the best record for running a classic server. They have all of the research done on what should be in and what shouldn't - unlike some shitty reincarnation of a pvp server using the horribly flawed VZTZ database and coding.

But really, what it comes down to despite the previous points, is that the pvp community here will NEVER be happy. Period. They'd rather bitch about every single aspect of a server that they play on for free, quit playing, then troll the rest of the people that choose to keep playing and/or the staff running the server.

This.

The vztz faggot crowd that we got infested with when that shitserver died is a disgusting cess pool. This server would be better if that piece of shit never died and kept all those crybaby pussies there.

They knew what this server was going to be when they got TOLD it by Rogean. They still cried about it being classic Everquest. That's the level of retard this "community" is at.

[Rust1d?]

Rust1d?: You make one of these threads like every 2 months, and it's obvious that you are one of the two devs (either devnoob or image).

I have already responded to this before but Ill do so again

1.) The timing on "red69" could not have been any worse -- coming after the shutdown of Secrets little VZTZ clone, and prior to the launch of the looming red99. Most players were going to take a pass on your server and wait for red99 which was being developed by the main eqemu guy (Rogean) who had a track record of professionalism and stability compared to other "running this off a spare box out of my garage" sandbox devs who had lesser resources and reputation.

I agree. However, track record means nothing if you put out a shitty product. Gotta be consistent. The server population went from 700 at start to maybe 70.

2.) You named it "red69". Unless you were trying to attract 12 year olds who still think the 69 number is hilarious + outrageous, all this did was make you look even less legit in light of the upcoming red99.
For naming convention: VZTZ == good. Guild Wars == good. Red69 == bad.

I am neither Image or Devnoob. I was not in favor of RED69 because I thought K&B could have been fixed right without all of the nonclassic zones such as nexus. The name was pretty bad.

3.) K&B was plainly custom. When you make the choice to go custom, you say goodbye to a huge % of your potential players. I think custom servers can work but it's a much higher mountain to climb that takes a longer time and word of mouth from players convincing other players that this non-classic server is worth playing and not just some hacky aimless crap a bored CS major cobbled together. I empathize with all the guys trying to make custom servers work (Secrets included) but it's a lot harder to sell on people. Most just want the classic EQ they remember.

I understand however when people DID get real classic, they did not want it. K&B had leader boards and rewards for PVP. These things encouraged pvp. In Red 99, people avoid it at all costs. It could have been more thought out, but I think they rushed it to beat Red99.

[SamwiseRed]

Why would you name a server Red69? I mean seriously lol. Total fail.

[Rust1d?]

Who knows. They should have left K&B as the server to play and just made some adjustments.

[Angkar]

I understand however when people DID get real classic, they did not want it. K&B had leader boards and rewards for PVP. These things encouraged pvp. In Red 99, people avoid it at all costs. It could have been more thought out, but I think they rushed it to beat Red99.

No, you dont understand. A very LARGE group wanted the classic experience of EQ PvP. The admin of this server made every mistake possible to drive AWAY all the players.

Subject covered on several other threads, not summing them up for you, do it yourself.

[Lazortag]

I understand however when people DID get real classic, they did not want it. K&B had leader boards and rewards for PVP. These things encouraged pvp. In Red 99, people avoid it at all costs. It could have been more thought out, but I think they rushed it to beat Red99.

How are K&B or "Red69" remotely classic? Both p99 servers are infinitely more classic than them. At this point you're just ignoring every post in this thread that you can't respond to.

[Rust1d?]

Rust1d you don't know shit about this server you only made it to like level 14, not really qualified to make comments about anything other then raging after getting ganked trying to kite bandits.

Also I didn't play Red69 because the name was so retarded that I didn't even give it a try.

RED SIXTY NINE GET IT?
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Beavis-Butthead-p21.jpg

I made it to lv 23 before I realized that this server was a waste of time. Not sure why you think I raged, maybe you are thinking about yourself. I left when the population went under 100.

[Rust1d?]

How are K&B or "Red69" remotely classic? Both p99 servers are infinitely more classic than them. At this point you're just ignoring every post in this thread that you can't respond to.

Well, classic zones for the most part but it seems nobody wants true classic since over 600 people already left this server. Everyone praised Rogean etc as the saviors and in the end just trash him. Not sure what else people like him and image can do for you guys...