Aoe mez not being over written by higher level mez

[Isic]

The level 16 AoE mez cannot be over written by the level 39 or 49 mez. It simply says "your spell did not take hold". Makes group crowd control tough. On live, single target mez was able to over write AoE mez.

[Malrubius]

I can definitely corroborate that. Single mez should always override AoE mez (barring a resist).

[Splorf22]

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Xornn%27s_Enchanter_Spell_Guide#5th_Circle_.2816-19.29

It does not appear to be that way.

[Malrubius]

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Xornn%27s_Enchanter_Spell_Guide#5th_Circle_.2816-19.29

It does not appear to be that way.

Interesting, but incorrect. Maybe it was that way in beta?

Anyway, the behavior described by the OP is incorrect. During classic, single mez would always override AoE mez. Pretty sure this is common knowledge among enchanters.

[Isic]

Interesting, but incorrect. Maybe it was that way in beta?

Anyway, the behavior described by the OP is incorrect. During classic, single mez would always override AoE mez. Pretty sure this is common knowledge among enchanters.

I am saying that single target mez should always overwrite AoE mez but it currently does not and it is a bug.

[Splorf22]

Hey, I'd love to see this change because it would make my life easier.

But generally speaking, the devs are going to believe the guy writing in 2001 over the guy writing in 2012 about how he remembered things. So if you want to get it changed, dig up some posts talking about how you can overwrite AE mez with Dazzle.

p.s. I could be wrong, but I bet you can overwrite mesmerization with both another mesmerization and with L4 mesmerize.

[Malrubius]

generally speaking, the devs are going to believe the guy writing in 2001 over the guy writing in 2012 about how he remembered things. So if you want to get it changed, dig up some posts talking about how you can overwrite AE mez with Dazzle.

I agree with you. I don't have time to search right now though.

fwiw, this isn't a foggy memory. I'm 100% dead sure it was this way, since I did it probably thousands of times. Actually, it was AoE mez to stop the train, tash/dazzle, tash/dazzle, tash/dazzle, tash/dazzle. Tash/slow main target. Repeat single mezzes. And so on.

Isic, do you know if this just start happening recently or has it always been this way on this server? My main was a chanter back in the day, but is an SK here.

[Vermicelli]

I always suspected this was wrong! Thank yall for bringing it up =) On P99, I remember AoE Mesmerizing kobolds in SolB before Kunark dropped, then getting flattened by the ensuing train because I couldn't single-target Mez any of them because they were already AoE Mezzed. My tactic at that time was to AoE Mez, then Tash and root each one, then single-Mez after AoE Mesmerization broke. It was incredibly mana-intensive, but manageable after the spawn times were broken up. It would be so cash if single-target Mezzes could overwrite Mesmerization, which is level 16 and doesn't last as long as single-target.

[kanras]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.everquest/browse_thread/thread/50a87eac74a3f82c/72dd4775df3391fd?lnk=gst&q=AE+mez+single+mez#72dd4775df3391fd

A lot of enchanters swear by this spell, I personally don't like it
very much. Now, if you could overwrite the ae effect with a better mez
spell, it would be great, but that I suppose isn't ever going to
happen.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.everquest/browse_thread/thread/b896cf9f0eebe7e1/a086a2ddbabc8a49?lnk=gst&q=AE+mez+single+mez#a086a2ddbabc8a49

While it works really well, and stops everyone cold, you can't overwrite it
with single mez, and (most importantly) it wears off on all of the mobs
simultaneously.

[Malrubius]

I stand corrected, as the evidence is pretty overwhelming that single mez did NOT override aoe mez.

This must have been changed somewhere around Velious, but it is not explicitly mentioned in the patch notes. I wish I had kept logs back then.

[Brimacombe]

I spent months AOE mezzing trains my groups began trusting me to handle. The rotation was AOE mez followed by single target fixing each individual mob followed by debuffing every mob followed by the tank taunting before breaking mez and maybe a caster rooting them. This would have not been possible at all had single target mez not overwritten AOE mez.
This is, of course, assuming one enchanter is running the show. In the case of multiple enchanters, the lower level enchanter could not overwrite the higher's spells period because level of caster trumped other stacking considerations.

-Brimacombe

[Isic]

AoE mez should be overwritten by single target mez. It is why it was put in the game. Large pulls, AoE mez then single target mez. Please please fix.

[colleekitty]

As much as I would love for aoe mez to be overwritten, evidence shows that this was not the case.

It was changed eventually, but no one can say when. For the people still insisting that it could be overwritten, you need to provide actual evidence to support when this change was implemented or the developers won't change it.

I've been searching for any information that provides time frames or any other information, but I've come up with nothing. I'm still looking...

Thread (http://www.therunes.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=868&start=25)on The Runes in 2003, AOE could be overwritten:

Think this has a lot to do with when you grew up. Myself, I'm from the era when you couldn't overwrite AE mez with regular mez. At that time, it was always easy to tell which enchanters were prone to AE mezzing...they were the dead ones. Anyway, for me it's always been single target mez, maybe backed up with pb ae stuns and/or root.

Another old enchanter guide (http://www.roath.demon.co.uk/Enchanter.htm) that also states aoe mez can't be overwritten:

One thing an enchanter might notice at this stage is that different versions of the various mesmerization spells will not overwrite one another. If a target is mesmerized, he cannot be enthralled. If a target was mesmerized with Mesmerization, he cannot be re-mesmerized with Mesmerize. Consequently, using these spells together takes some organization.