Real reason I didn't enjoy the server

[Amuk]

Releasing a bunch of people new/experimenting with pvp into a heavily griefing environment with a shitty resist code. Landing roots/snares on anyone without end game gear makes anyone trying this shit out beyond frustrating/boring.

At least in classic with 80+ MR which is easy attainable through buffs/items, you could at least have fun fighting/escape gank squads fairly easily with avoiding the game breaking spells. Casters can still gate on sight, but when you do decide to pvp, it's just root/zerg/snare/boring.

Hell even with a tranix crown and stacking all MR gear, and with resist magic - my death at the pvp event was Tror first cast rooting me with 151 MR, it broke at 22% but getting away from Gong/Fried sow'd was just not possible. How did Null expect new players to survive/enjoy this lame shit haha.

On live all I did was solo pvp, and it was fun as hell. I don't even have the motivation to log on and pvp here, it's literally not worth anyones time to bother, and the fact that this hasn't been changed just confirms this box has no chance.

I'm sure there's a list of tons of shit that should be changed, but bottom line the pvp is just not fun, and certainly not classic.

[Tippett]

Yeah roots are OP as shit, also channeling gate is far too easy.

I'm sure we all have seen some retarded gates being pulled off while the caster is being beaten to shit.

Classic EQ is already a casters paradise but this resist set is even more harsh on anyone without gate/root.

[Hughman]

Hell even with a tranix crown and stacking all MR gear, and with resist magic - my death at the pvp event was Tror first cast rooting me with 151 MR, it broke at 22% but getting away from Gong/Fried sow'd was just not possible. How did Null expect new players to survive/enjoy this lame shit haha.

I get rooted pretty frequently even with 200 MR lol.

[Swish]

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If it wasn't Amelinda you'd be whining at someone else. GMs/guides/etc always get raged on. Don't get mad, walk away from EQ for a while... go outside. It's just a game, remember? ;)

A lot of respect for the amount of free time those on P99 give to bring us the server we all (or some of us at least) enjoy.

[Advisor]

Don't get mad, walk away from EQ for a while...

For real.

[Lulz Sect]

cast mad because dominated all the way to 50:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56246

even seary droppin this kid on a char he played twice

[Haul]

The "were not heeded" part reminded me of Dwight on The Office ;D

[hagard]

Releasing a bunch of people new/experimenting with pvp into a heavily griefing environment with a shitty resist code. Landing roots/snares on anyone without end game gear makes anyone trying this shit out beyond frustrating/boring.

At least in classic with 80+ MR which is easy attainable through buffs/items, you could at least have fun fighting/escape gank squads fairly easily with avoiding the game breaking spells. Casters can still gate on sight, but when you do decide to pvp, it's just root/zerg/snare/boring.

Hell even with a tranix crown and stacking all MR gear, and with resist magic - my death at the pvp event was Tror first cast rooting me with 151 MR, it broke at 22% but getting away from Gong/Fried sow'd was just not possible. How did Null expect new players to survive/enjoy this lame shit haha.

On live all I did was solo pvp, and it was fun as hell. I don't even have the motivation to log on and pvp here, it's literally not worth anyones time to bother, and the fact that this hasn't been changed just confirms this box has no chance.

I'm sure there's a list of tons of shit that should be changed, but bottom line the pvp is just not fun, and certainly not classic.

Perfectly summed up. Should increase melee dmg if it's gonna be like this

[Silikten]

Perfectly summed up. Should increase melee dmg if it's gonna be like this

Holo griefed off server -->cries to make it so they can last.

[Dubee]

I do not condone QQ, but I do approve this thread. Well written... WHAT U THINKING NULL!?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/18141956.jpg

[Titanuk]

wipe it clean

[Smedy]

if the resist code is unchanged i think you should resist about 87% of root with 200 mr.

it scales very little after 150 , it's like from 83% to 87% with those 50 extra.

not sure if null has touched it since then though or if theres any modifiers that might chance how often root lands.

I wanted it to be bumped a little bit during beta, not sure if it ever was though.

[Dubee]

Smedy, are u coming back from the tomb like christ himself? I heard you were suppose to be given guide title...

[Winni]

Smedy, are u coming back from the tomb like christ himself? I heard you were suppose to be given guide title...

+1

[Awwalike]

yo Amuck I bet you anything you never played classic.
just ban these fags who talk shit on the server, easy.

[Amuk]

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums//showthread.php?t=7905

I enjoy EQ pvp - and this isn't it.

[Amuk]

10 years down the line, they'll say - Stasis was great at surviving, even when fighting multiple people - psyke he was just rooted/snared.

[mostbitter]

if you guys read the resist thread in the feedback section you would know null did all this shit on purpose and that despite knowing that these spells where reduced to non factors in classic doesn't care and is going to implement a non classic resist system because thats what he feels like doing


edit: thinkin about it is pretty funny considering all the changes the community feels are necessary are shot down because they aren't classic. double standard is obvious

[Albane]

Once I broke 120 MR unbuffed, I pretty much quit the game. It was pointless to playing any class without root, especially a melee, if you were interested in PvP. This problem should have been resolved back in October, but instead, they listened to the whines of Lovely and made casters easy mode.

[heartbrand]

if you guys read the resist thread in the feedback section you would know null did all this shit on purpose and that despite knowing that these spells where reduced to non factors in classic doesn't care and is going to implement a non classic resist system because thats what he feels like doing


edit: thinkin about it is pretty funny considering all the changes the community feels are necessary are shot down because they aren't classic. double standard is obvious

[mostbitter]

These two posts in particular is why this server's "classic" tag is unjustifiable.


It's closer to 60% resist rate with 84MR. It isn't intended to be exactly live like.






Quote:
Originally Posted by Kief View Post
Why do you think root/MR based cc spells should be implemented in this manner here? Not saying it is better or worse, but curious as to why you think these spells should be able to land when they never did on live.
and

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dequarius View Post
I think the whole server really would like an explanation as to why the developers think resists should not be as close to classic as possible.
Bluntly? Classic resists are a bad system. Is ours perfect? No, it needs work. However I do not think that effectively gutting a bunch of spell lines from the game is the solution.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kief View Post
In theory that resist system seems great, but must be I was simply getting unlucky with the nukes? When you could entirely resist them classicaly, that 20-50% of 66% of 1.2k (ice comet) and 612(starfire) is still incredibly significant. Especially when that unlucky 5% comes around and its 100% of 66% of said values.



If you have 50FR and 1000HP and you are considering adding 10FR, that 10FR is only worth 25HP against FR based nukes. However if you have 100FR and you add another 10FR then its worth 69HP. This also means that the more of a resist that you get, the more effective buffs are....for example if I have 100FR with 1000HP and I get 40FR from Resist Fire, that Resist Fire is effectively worth 467HP against FR based nukes. But if you have 50FR and you get buffed with Resist Fire, its only worth 155HP.

TL;DR: While resists are always going to be situational, they scale a hell of a lot better than HP gear...especially if you have access to buffs.

[Snufz]

Resist system was it for me.

It effectively took out the run and joust in group pvp that really separates skill level and what made classic pvp so interesting.

Anyone being rooted and herp derp zerged without any timing skills is horrible.

[Tassador]

dear diary, this is why I did not enjoy this server. I take EQ emu more serious than life and have to use up all my energy about complaining instead of entertaining my mind from this juvinile mentality.

[bamzal]

just take root and snare out of the game altogether. That would be a more classic feel to be honest

[fiegi 2.5]

Did the GM's even play classic pvp ??

[Nirgon]

I'm going to just go ahead and post that I actually logged into red last evening.

I casted 2 roots on one of our apps (didn't know he was one imagine that, please requote this and trololol your brains out). He's sporting mith arms+legs, SSB etc.. 2nd one holds and for a very long time (like 18-30s).

Lmk when we have "closer to classic" resists.

tl;dr I'm still barking up the fix the glaringly wrong resists tree.

PS: sorry for posting and making you mad Amelinda, I just show I care in a different way. AKA as a disgruntled consumer of the service.

[heartbrand]

dear diary, this is why I did not enjoy this server. I take EQ emu more serious than life and have to use up all my energy about complaining instead of entertaining my mind from this juvinile mentality.

Nothing more annoying than people who respond to posts trying to address legitimate game breaking issues with things like "lol u waste time complaining just enjoy." Welcome to ignore.

[Lazortag]

This isn't Livejournal. We get it, resists are bad, this has been expressed before. Say something new.

[fiegi 2.5]

why say something new if it's something thats ruining the server?

ps i still like u

[Malevz]

Verant/Sony never got resists right and they had years and companies behind them. Hell after verant was gone all the new races defaulted to human team and were never changed, cats, frogs, whatever, all human.

Frogs are short, there was a short team, short team could have used shaman: boom decision made in 5 seconds. Instead they stayed human, that's how much attention Sony gave pvp team servers.

If you're QQing about this isn't classic you didn't play. Well functioning resist code was never classic. At a certain level of MR you resisted everything, then it would get fixed and you would resist nothing, and repeat.

[heartbrand]

I really don't think I understood a single thing the poster above me just wrote

[Smedy]

I though null was working on bumping up the resists or maybe this already happened?

120 mr should give you around 85% resist rate vs root , and 200 should definitly give you 93%+ , at those levels you can consider yourself pretty much immune when you reach above 90%.

The issue with it is making magic based classic bad in 1v1, but who gives a shit, its a team based game

[Tassador]

heartbrand please dont cry to much man its only eq on a rural server life will go on.

~ red994lyfe

[Dullah]

I though null was working on bumping up the resists or maybe this already happened?

120 mr should give you around 85% resist rate vs root , and 200 should definitly give you 93%+ , at those levels you can consider yourself pretty much immune when you reach above 90%.

The issue with it is making magic based classic bad in 1v1, but who gives a shit, its a team based game

On live, you never had a reason to have 120mr in pvp. You would want to sacrifice those jacinth rings for diamond etc. Even with tash, the chance of being rooted/snared/stunned was basically nonexistant. 85% resist to root at 120 would still be a joke. On live, about 70mr would buy you 85%.

[Nirgon]

Dullah and I, who are on completely different sides of the "war" here, continue to post correctly regarding resists.

I've tried to make a case against this to no avail. I don't see putting in "100% resist against this spell if you meet this requirement (lvl and actual magic resist)" being terribly painstaking. Again, one of my reasons for "not enjoying it so much".

I scoff in the face of people claiming to understand classic resistances and posting otherwise.

PS: I have seen the truth and our comments are quite valid. I can also explain fucking exactly why spite golem/stone spider resists rapture but players seemingly never could (hint the magic number outside of the level checks for rapture was 400 MR).

PPS: Lol @ u all. Done preaching about it, don't ask me for help no mo'.

[SearyxTZ]

Agree with everything thats been said, but we've already had this thread before. We had a poll, too. Just like we had 9000 threads for global channels for low population, and we had a poll for that, too. There was a clear consensus for both topics. Months ago.

At this point I'm just tired of being redundant while the population continues to drop. I think it is on the devs to be active here and make the appropriate changes in a reasonable time frame if they want this to succeed. This is absolutely not a knock on the free work and service Nilbog, Null, Rogean, and friends have provided, but just the reality of it.

[Lulz Sect]

patience Seary - patch coming soon as reported in irc today

[visage]

I enjoy the server , but for reasons for me not are. Low population, and the elitist dick attititude that a majority result too. This is pvp is suppose to be fun. Competition is suppose to be intense. Trolling and grifieing is something we should be laughing at , however despite all those. The fact is the population is low and people are quitting regulary. It's not the fact global ooc is going to make a huge difference. The only way this server will pick up in my opinion. Is if it got restarted and or expansion is released. People hate the grind to 50 that is a fact. It's much harder to grind when the population is low. Key classes who people love playing have a difficult time. So it's either play a caster class or suck it up and hope you can stand the grind to 50 and constant griefing. People can oppose higher exp rates and or easier ways to solve this problem. The fact still remains because of low population. Leveling is extremely difficult and not as enjoyable for many. The blue server never had this issue from what I can remember. So people complaining it's easy mode and it's not fair. Need to realize we are a different sever by far. We have low population to a extreme. Something needs to be done. What that something is all boils down to increasing population. I don't enjoy the server because of the low population case and point.

[Lulz Sect]

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[FoxxHound]

Wait... Visage plays here? How did I not know this?

Also 2 main reasons I rarely play.
1) They don't have the race/class combos I want to play.

2) Server is quite dead. I've only logged in a handful of times (like maybe 12-15) in the past month. I have yet to see anyone my level on. Leveling a melee that's not at least semi-twink'd solo. No bueno.

[Amuk]

I just felt like ranting my opinion, and that was a joke I wasn't really serious about 10 years down the line haha.

I spent about 11 days played levelling my rogue to 50 - surely taking a minute to make a thread about how fucked up the resist code has remained makes me taking this too serious.

[Amuk]

Live had a big life-dedicated crowd also. Telen played 15-18 hours a day it felt like? I PvP'd him all the time on my rogue, couldnt scratch him... but if he could just first cast darkness me and kill me everytime that sure would have been a lot of fun.

The problem with it here is you basically lose to numbers/class paper rock scissors - and requires 0 skill/fun.

[Amuk]

How about no?

[Humerox]

wipe it clean

Waaaaaay too late for that now; a lot of people are too vested in their characters. If they had done it when I was seriously suggesting it over a month ago and rolled out a campaign to get new players (read: events) there may have been a shot.

Now we have a box pretty much doomed to stay where it is, because I can think of nothing that's going to attract a reasonably large number of new players.

C'est la vie.

[Crenshinabon]

I just started up again and I must say its still fun if you give it a chance. It is still lacking global ooc which I used to be against but am not anymore. Not to mention new content will bring everyone back at once i would imagine. Server is still doing ok. Couple things could use tweaking. global ooc being the main thing.

[Winni]

The only thing that would bring people back is a wipe then reroll with x2 exp all the way thru.

Not gonna happen but it's really the only thing people are waiting for.

They really shoulda relaunched once they put the guard assist in, I remember TONS of people quit in like the first month because they were bind camped by mage earth pets at like level 8 inside towns.

I didn't think teams were a good idea at launch, but really it's kinda gay the way the only guilds that do well are pre-packaged or are formed by groups of people who knew each other from other servers. Really not newbie friendly.

[Humerox]

They really shoulda relaunched once they put the guard assist in, I remember TONS of people quit in like the first month because they were bind camped by mage earth pets at like level 8 inside towns.

I agree here; I think no guard/assist killed it from the start. The other problems I think new PvP players could really have dealt with...but the bank gank squads drove them out. They couldn't even get to the bank to save up for their first spell sets or even newb gear.

[Crenshinabon]

I dont get the peoples logic who want a wipe. Just play the game and let the GMs do their job. Amelinda doing a decent job and more are en route soon. Its just super classic and no hate atm either. If you are not starting now a wipe will not get you to start. Would just you be crying all over again because of some other silly reason. Just play the game, have fun if you want, and stop crying. Changes are comming soon i would expect.

The no guard assist was stupid as shit not to have in though i agree. Tons of people quit, but now there is no reason to not start up again. Its not as bad as the loud ones say.

[Winni]

I dont get the peoples logic who want a wipe. Just play the game and let the GMs do their job. Amelinda doing a decent job and more are en route soon. Its just super classic and no hate atm either. If you are not starting now a wipe will not get you to start. Would just you be crying all over again because of some other silly reason. Just play the game, have fun if you want, and stop crying. Changes are comming soon i would expect.

The no guard assist was stupid as shit not to have in though i agree. Tons of people quit, but now there is no reason to not start up again. Its not as bad as the loud ones say.

The only reason people are asking about a wipe which we all know would never happen, is that the people who quit the first month due to a lot of the coding issues are not going to come back on a server where everyone else has been farming guk and planes for months.

Also there IS a reason not to start up again, it's because there is an uber low population.

Even those of us that have been playing since launch are kinda losing faith at this point.

I can deal with some empty zones but things have gotten way too empty, there is such little pvp.

With no one else around there is no pvp and all I end up doing is grinding mobs which is not why I came here in the first place.

[Rallyd]

New idea, let's just remove root snare mez whirl blind buffs nukes dots and leave only alliance based spells in game, sims anyone!?

[Humerox]

I dont get the peoples logic who want a wipe.

The logic at one time was to bring a large number of people back into the game all at one time. While it may have been viable once upon a time, it's not anymore because (imo) a lot of vested players would quit. Rock and hard place type thing.

Personally I'd still favor a wipe. But I didn't finish the 50 grind either, and a lot of people who did put the effort in would have to consider that against trying to save the box...which would still be a gamble even it it was wiped.

[Amuk]

Wouldn't make a difference, the people who could have experienced fun EQ pvp are gone, what's left are the raiders like Nihilum, and the hardcore addicts like myself.

I was hoping for awhile it would be different - but I've finally moved past denial stage woot.

[Sektor]

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums//showthread.php?t=7905

I enjoy EQ pvp - and this isn't it.


Karns is my username, that's to funny.

[Haul]

New idea, let's just remove root snare mez whirl blind buffs nukes dots and leave only alliance based spells in game, sims anyone!?

Says the angry farmhand.

[Nirgon]

Says the guy who claims to have played classic pvp imo

eh oh el in parenthesis

[Arillious]

Agree with most of the points of this thread which have all been brought up many times in the past.

The real reason why I no longer enjoy the server is because the server is no longer enjoyable.

The GM's that can actually make a difference are busy doing other things or simply dont give a crap. On a server that's free, the GM's have every right to do whatever they want, but player's have the right to not play as well. I would rather pay for a game and have the creators of said game be accountable and actually give a damn then play a game for free and get force fed shit.

That being said, the one and only reason I no longer play is because the population. Even with all the shit, the server is still pretty damn good minus the lack of players.

Get more people interested or make me believe that more people will be interested and I'd play again.

[Dullah]

Theres just not much to do at this point...

People who've played EQ know prior to kunark there a limited amount you can accomplish, esp before all the planes come out. Its going to be hard to convince them to join, especially now when 90% of the people who joined the server are already 40+ and it is a heavily group dependent game. That leaves a very unappealing grind for newcomers.

Content is the only answer. Its what makes EQ great. It provides competition for pvp. Thousands of people originally logged on to classic because it was all new and mysterious and exciting. Now everyone knows the ropes, what items they need and how to obtain them in short order. Anyone with time invested in blue, other servers, or other games are going to need more to persuade them to play here than just slow moving classic.

Lets get some planes out, and move to kunark and see if the numbers don't increase. If they don't, then perhaps EQ PvP is simply a thing of the past.

[mostbitter]

dullah makes me mad every time he posts no exceptions i wish i could help it but i cant

[Winni]

Its going to be hard to convince them to join, especially now when 90% of the people who joined the server are already 40+ and it is a heavily group dependent game. That leaves a very unappealing grind for newcomers.

Content is the only answer.

???????????

[Dullah]

Content brings people back, and gives people who want to play more than just classic a reason to play
>>> more population.

Put it in google fucking translate if you still don't understand.

[Winni]

Yeah more end game content for the 1 guild clearing it will bring back the people who mostly quit pre 30 for sure.

[samimnot]

Yeah more end game content for the 1 guild clearing it will bring back the people who mostly quit pre 30 for sure.

winny smarts

[samimnot]

Agree with most of the points of this thread which have all been brought up many times in the past.

The real reason why I no longer enjoy the server is because the server is no longer enjoyable.

The GM's that can actually make a difference are busy doing other things or simply dont give a crap. On a server that's free, the GM's have every right to do whatever they want, but player's have the right to not play as well. I would rather pay for a game and have the creators of said game be accountable and actually give a damn then play a game for free and get force fed shit.

That being said, the one and only reason I no longer play is because the population. Even with all the shit, the server is still pretty damn good minus the lack of players.

Get more people interested or make me believe that more people will be interested and I'd play again.

come play eve bro , message me ill shoot you a trial invite

[Dullah]

Yeah more end game content for the 1 guild clearing it will bring back the people who mostly quit pre 30 for sure.

Kunark is not just "more end game content." I'm sure by taking things out of context to make a valid fictitious point, you might well win that fictitious argument.

If I was arguing in favor of simply "more end game content", I'd contend even that would help over the present stagnation. Theres 4 end game targets for 2 and a half end game guilds. All people do these days on the forums is paint a picture of end game being completely "zerged" (dominated) and unobtainable for everyone else whose not Nihilum (portrayed through numerous forms of whining and waling and flaming). If hate and sky were to open, it would offer more targets and opportunities for everyone.

[Dullah]

Cast, go to rehab. Or killing yourself would be a better solution.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Janitors can't afford rehab.

[aerokella]

Cast, go to rehab. Or killing yourself would be a better solution.

[Dullah]

Despite trying to counter argue to my extremely valid points, you simply deflect.

Thank you, come again :eek:

Is that what they taught you in grade school debate team?

Evade points, circumvent context, skirt round facts and then blind side them with an illogical deduction? Then ignore all reiteration of facts and claim deflection when we mock you?

Rehab can't even help you, kid.

[Winni]

Rehab can't even help you, kid.

Release Plane of Sky to bring back the players who quit when guard assist didn't work and exp was very slow the first month of the server.

-Dullah

[Nirgon]

Heh maybe when it is all over you'll realize I had been telling you like it is all along

[LaMort]

because u suck black dick?

[Herb9]

^^ avg holo member

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q597/r99graveyard/Auschwitz%20-%20The%20Mass%20Grave%20of%20Holonoobs/cast-tellmehowyoureallyfeel.jpg
rejected by the very worst members of his own clan.

[Billbike]

Nice work, I admire a post with some balls. +1

[samimnot]

Heh maybe when it is all over you'll realize I had been telling you like it is all along

pretty sure you gave up and said you werent giving advice anymore

yet here you are harrison 2.0 caring about a server no one else cares about

learn some coding and help or stfu