Problems with this server from a new players perspective

[mizin]

I'd consider myself a semi-hardcore player depending on who you would compare me to. Being new to this server I've discovered quite a few things that push away and most likely stop other new players from playing past the initial few levels.

1) The gigantic level gap between players. Its no surprise that a majority of the players on this server are already level 40+ most being 50. I'm currently level 20 and in my time playing so far I've only been in about 5 groups. 4 out of these 5 groups were with a player the same level as me who I met early on when he started out. I've since passed him and haven't really found anyone else to play with.

There is a severe lack of groups for anyone pre 20. Sure there may be a small population of us but with the variety of zones to choose from its rare to run into someone your level who wants to group. This severely cripples melee classes specifically. Being a druid I am fully capable of soloing my way up to 50, but I've already ran into multiple people who have stopped playing simply because its taking them forever to get any levels due to lack of groups and melee solo viability. Whether they simply quit, or rerolled another character I'm unsure of.

2) Lack of a global chat system. While this has been said many, many, many, many times before its something I'll repeat with my own reasons. As I type this there is currently around 70 players on the server. Of those 70 players 0 of them are on my friends list, 0 of them are in my zone, and 0 of them are in my guild. This leaves me with no one to even casually chat with at 2:30 am.

Now as I stated before I'm a semi hardcore player and not having anyone to talk to is something I can easily deal with. It's not something that I would quit over, but I can understand how playing at this time and having no one to even chat too while grinding could become extremely boring and make you want to log out.

As it has been said before, the benefits for global chat would out weigh the negatives in my opinion. Will there be fucking retards who say potentially stupid, racist shit, and spam? Probably, but the ability to /ignore will always be there and is an easy tool to use. A worthy trade off for being able to talk to the ones who aren't fools in my opinion.

3) Exp. As much as you'd like to believe people came to this server and they want to enjoy the quest, the grind, the journey, or whatever you'd like to refer to it as... that is not the case. Everyone should be on this server for one reason and the majority of us are. We want PvP and we want lots of it. Want to "enjoy the game, and the grind"? Go to the blue server. You can PvE your heart out with a bigger player base and more options. WE WANT PVP.

I do not believe 10x experience is the solution. I do however believe an increase in experience is. There is a few ways to do this that I could see potentially working. Lower level experience needs to be boosted more. Pre 30 or 35 should be upped from the 100% it is at now to possibly 200-250%. This increase in the lower levels will help us get up to where the majority of the player base already is in a faster manner. This increase will also be huge for melee characters who already have a rough time earning experience alone due to the lack of population.

Getting us to level 30-35 is beneficial in quite a few ways. The first being that mid level pvp is arguably the best pvp. It will also put the newer players closer to the larger player base giving them more of an option on who to play with and what zones to go to.

It may encourage current/old/new players to roll a character here due to the easier leveling and make things like dieing/getting pked seem less forgiving.
I believe post 35 exp is currently fine. I Believe SOME effort needs to be put in if you expect to get to 50 with the rest of us and 35-50 will be just that. A PvP grind. The only difference is you'll have more players to group with and more to PvP with.

I'm not sure that this solution is something that is actually do able however, another solution I could potentially see is "hot zones". zones all through a certain level group that have a bigger exp bonus. Examples would be crushbone, unrest, oasis, permafrost, lguk. These hot zones would be great not only for the increased experience, but would also promote more low to mid level pvp due to the increase of population in said zones.

In the end the majority of us are here to PvP, not to grind out 50 levels again while getting pk raped. We want to have fun and in order to do that we need to have people to play with and talk to. The lower level exp boost, and the global chat will give us both of those things, further encouraging new players to join this server. This is just my 2cents and I really hope I can get non troll feedback on this. Thanks for reading and see you at 50!

[KabanazyTZ]

I started playing 2 weeks ago, I'm 40.

[Rushmore]

2) Lack of a global chat system.

4) Exp. As much as you'd like to believe people came to this server and they want to enjoy the quest, the grind, the journey, or whatever you'd like to refer to it as... that is not the case. Everyone should be on this server for one reason and the majority of us are. We want PvP and we want lots of it. WE WANT PVP.

I do not believe 10x experience is the solution. I do however believe an increase in experience is. There is a few ways to do this that I could see potentially working. Lower level experience needs to be boosted more. Pre 30 or 35 should be upped from the 100% it is at now to possibly 200-250%. This increase in the lower levels will help us get up to where the majority of the player base already is in a faster manner. This increase will also be huge for melee characters who already have a rough time earning experience alone due to the lack of population.

Getting us to level 30-35 is beneficial in quite a few ways. The first being that mid level pvp is arguably the best pvp. It will also put the newer players closer to the larger player base giving them more of an option on who to play with and what zones to go to.

It may encourage current/old/new players to roll a character here due to the easier leveling and make things like dieing/getting pked seem less forgiving.
I believe post 35 exp is currently fine. I Believe SOME effort needs to be put in if you expect to get to 50 with the rest of us and 35-50 will be just that. A PvP grind. The only difference is you'll have more players to group with and more to PvP with.

In the end the majority of us are here to PvP, not to grind out 50 levels again while getting pk raped. We want to have fun and in order to do that we need to have people to play with and talk to. The lower level exp boost, and the global chat will give us both of those things, further encouraging new players to join this server.

/fixed

Any player should never be below the minimum pvp range of a level 50-60! So fuck it! Get them to that point! 35++ quickly. Who cares if someone levels a mage or whatever the fuck you can throw at this...they will do it anyway. Get the new player and old player involved fast! do it! do it Now!
(listening to "Circumambient" by Grimes)

[mizin]

I started playing 2 weeks ago, I'm 40.

You're also a wizard? Maybe a mage. You're a solo class who can level really quick based off of that. The leveling problem really comes to those who role a melee type and are forced to either solo painfully painfully slow, or be lucky enough to find a group once a day for an hour.

[Nirgon]

If you know what's coming and do something dumb anyway = you extra dumb

[Harrison]

Thread #21198278 crying about experience rates that are already higher than the previous P99 server.

[Dullah]

Exp rates are already waaaay higher than classic on our "classic" server.

Its true though, groups are hard to find and with many people leaving the server due to decreasing pop, the game doesn't have that appeal it has when you're out doing stuff with people in every zone.

Hopefully new content will be added soon including sol ro and it will bring an influx of new blood to the server.

Higher xp rates are not the answer. I leveled an alt in a group multiple times in 1 night in my 30s. No way that was happening on live, so be thankful for the boost.

[SearyxTZ]

You are absolutely right Harrison - it seems that the typical red server player isn't willing to do a 200 hour grind and would rather spend more time PvPing.

I'm glad you're bringing visibility to this problem.

[Dullah]

Actually, the average player here came here for the entire classic EQ experience as well as classic pvp, not some retarded pvp instant 50 call of duty mmo.

[SearyxTZ]

It's too bad the classic pvp part is missing. How many people do you fight (or see) from levels 1 to 40 here?



I don't care that much about exp anymore but I can see where the guy is coming from + acknowledge why these threads get made time and time again.

[Slathar]

Actually, the average player here came here for the entire classic EQ experience as well as classic pvp, not some retarded pvp instant 50 call of duty mmo.

i play EQ like its an fps

[SearyxTZ]

ya I do too actually

[mizin]

Thread #21198278 crying about experience rates that are already higher than the previous P99 server.

When you're leveling mostly solo from 1-50 exp rates need to be adjusted accordingly. There is simply no one to play with.


Exp rates are already waaaay higher than classic on our "classic" server.

Its true though, groups are hard to find and with many people leaving the server due to decreasing pop, the game doesn't have that appeal it has when you're out doing stuff with people in every zone.

Hopefully new content will be added soon including sol ro and it will bring an influx of new blood to the server.

Higher xp rates are not the answer. I leveled an alt in a group multiple times in 1 night in my 30s. No way that was happening on live, so be thankful for the boost.

Actually, the average player here came here for the entire classic EQ experience as well as classic pvp, not some retarded pvp instant 50 call of duty mmo.

The fact is people can argue the classic all they want but this is NOT CLASSIC. We dont have a thriving population with people to play with. The server needs to be adjusted accordingly for the people who are playing. If this server had the population of live regular exp might not be a problem.

I'm not saying we need "retarded pvp instant 50 call of duty" but there needs to be some type of balance added in terms of leveling and the player base. When you have such a small player base. Having it split just makes it seem even worse than it already is. No one wants to play this game alone until they hit 50 and have people to play with. Thats where the benefit of the increased experience comes from. Classic EQ did not have bone dry zone after zone with no other people to play with.

[Dullah]

If/when the server gets the attention it needs, gets adjustments to pvp and resists and sees content at an accelerated rate comparable to the pace of the average players, there would/will be a higher population.

Proper care and progression of the server shouldn't be replaced by features changing the dynamic. Thats just not how you fix things. It will only cheapen the experience for those who've earned what they have legitimately and leave the game feeling trivial, fruitless and ungratifying - like every other new mmo that we detest.

When the server gets the attention it needs, the content that made Everquest what it is, that should provide all the population needed to level. It worked for 12 years, it worked on blue, and it could work here if its not too late...

[Harrison]

Salty, the kid who never played EQ before VZTZ. rofl bad

[Smedy]

Oh what a shocker, new thread from legit new player concerning issues on red99.

fourth post is from Harrison who isn't even involved starts talking back, and now we have a flame fest.

Though Amelinda told you to stop posting your shit all over legit threads harrison, you clearly cannot stay away.

[Harrison]

My opinion is no less legit than yours, someone who isn't even involved.

We don't need 350 threads crying about experience when you already have increased experience.

[Smedy]

Say what you want, but i think it's clear you would love seeing this server burn, just as you constantly make fun of the fact that VZTZ isn't around anymore.

I want to see it grow.

[Harrison]

I want this server to succeed.

I just don't want it to cave in to bads like who came from VZTZ and can't handle Classic EQ. (which was EXACTLY what you all knew you were coming in to, Classic EQ)

[mizin]

I've never once ignored someone on a forum until this moment now. Congrats Harrison you're an idiot and it took me only a few hours to realize it.

Keep the discussion going.. less troll posts

[Harrison]

Maybe you should make another post about experience being slow, even though it's increased over what thousands of people already leveled through.

We need like 10 more, 209387 threads aren't enough cryfests.

[SearyxTZ]

Harrison agrees that the current experience is too slow and should be increased.

He is practically crying for this to happen, as a former player of VZTZ.

[Sickpuppy]

Yea this server has gone to shit

[Tippett]

Actually, the average player here came here for the entire classic EQ experience as well as classic pvp, not some retarded pvp instant 50 call of duty mmo.

70% of the server being druids and having only 3 people on the server at a time within 5 levels of you pre-30 isn't classic.

Classic exp was fine when we even had 250ish people playing but when regularly the pop hovers around 50-70, it's time to up the exp to make melees playable to new players without access to PL'ing.

Sorry if you leveled multiple characters without boosted exp, but no one cares if you get butt hurt we care about not playing on an empty server.

[Harrison]

No one cares what you think, nobody.

[Rydar]

Yea this server has gone to shit, since we are not allowed to raid in plane of fear anymore

[Vile]

I called more than half of these issues 1 week after server launch... it's all good. Don't roll a melee.. and grind 10 hours a day and join Nihilum and you win.

[Kringe]

Maybe you should make another post about experience being slow, even though it's increased over what thousands of people already leveled through.

We need like 10 more, 209387 threads aren't enough cryfests.

Cool what level did you get too Harrison??

Im waiting.....
Still waiting...


Wait lvl 10... Then quit....

MUCHO Experience to be providing to these new players....

[Amelinda]

2) Lack of a global chat system. While this has been said many, many, many, many times before its something I'll repeat with my own reasons. As I type this there is currently around 70 players on the server. Of those 70 players 0 of them are on my friends list, 0 of them are in my zone, and 0 of them are in my guild. This leaves me with no one to even casually chat with at 2:30 am.


This is being discussed between Rogean, Nilbog and I. I make no promises but i will tell you there was active discussion of this yesterday. Believe me when I tell you that it's not going to be an unlimited free for all. If it becomes a headache for the staff we will just shut it down. This means you people have to act like humans NOT a bunch of bratty 3rd graders.


3) Exp. As much as you'd like to believe people came to this server and they want to enjoy the quest, the grind, the journey, or whatever you'd like to refer to it as... that is not the case. Everyone should be on this server for one reason and the majority of us are. We want PvP and we want lots of it. Want to "enjoy the game, and the grind"? Go to the blue server. You can PvE your heart out with a bigger player base and more options. WE WANT PVP.

I do not believe 10x experience is the solution. I do however believe an increase in experience is. There is a few ways to do this that I could see potentially working. Lower level experience needs to be boosted more. Pre 30 or 35 should be upped from the 100% it is at now to possibly 200-250%. This increase in the lower levels will help us get up to where the majority of the player base already is in a faster manner. This increase will also be huge for melee characters who already have a rough time earning experience alone due to the lack of population.

Getting us to level 30-35 is beneficial in quite a few ways. The first being that mid level pvp is arguably the best pvp. It will also put the newer players closer to the larger player base giving them more of an option on who to play with and what zones to go to.

It may encourage current/old/new players to roll a character here due to the easier leveling and make things like dieing/getting pked seem less forgiving.
I believe post 35 exp is currently fine. I Believe SOME effort needs to be put in if you expect to get to 50 with the rest of us and 35-50 will be just that. A PvP grind. The only difference is you'll have more players to group with and more to PvP with.

I'm not sure that this solution is something that is actually do able however, another solution I could potentially see is "hot zones". zones all through a certain level group that have a bigger exp bonus. Examples would be crushbone, unrest, oasis, permafrost, lguk. These hot zones would be great not only for the increased experience, but would also promote more low to mid level pvp due to the increase of population in said zones.

In the end the majority of us are here to PvP, not to grind out 50 levels again while getting pk raped. We want to have fun and in order to do that we need to have people to play with and talk to. The lower level exp boost, and the global chat will give us both of those things, further encouraging new players to join this server. This is just my 2cents and I really hope I can get non troll feedback on this. Thanks for reading and see you at 50!

in no particular order:

1 exp rate is already increased at lower levels. You have a 200% XP rate at level 1. at level 50 you have a 100% XP Rate. so there is already an xp boost, it's scaled.

2. There can be PVP at all levels. You don't have to only PVP at max level. This is not Call of Duty with EQ Characters.

fairly srue there are already Zone Experience modifiers but I'm not a dev. I can't swear to it.

[Eldaran]

WE HARDCORE. MAKE IT EASIER. SO HARDCORE.

[bamzal]

so what about somenoe who wants to start here as a melee? tey still stuck soloing

[Lazortag]

so what about somenoe who wants to start here as a melee? tey still stuck soloing

Are you suggesting we give them pets? This is a classic server, non-solo classes are still going to be shitty soloers.

[Tippett]

Are you suggesting we give them pets? This is a classic server, non-solo classes are still going to be shitty soloers.

Exactly that's why they are fucked when there is only 3 other people on the server in their level range on the entire server pre-40.

[Vile]

Exactly that's why they are fucked when there is only 3 other people on the server in their level range on the entire server pre-40.

[Rydar]

so what about somenoe who wants to start here as a melee? tey still stuck soloing

They either accept the challenge or you can direct them to EQlive (which is free now) and their meele can hire a merc to PL them to max level in no time.

As for this server, its classic EQ.

[Tippett]

Only people complaining about increasing exp are the people in the large guilds who already have leveled their mains to 50 and have PL'd alts uber quick with a druid and don't want new players to get 40ish quick and throw off the guild balance.

Sorry I'm not leveling a druid to 50 just so I can then turn around and level another character to 50 (a melee) that I actually want to play with PL'ing.

[Rydar]

Believe me when I tell you that it's not going to be an unlimited free for all. If it becomes a headache for the staff we will just shut it down. This means you people have to act like humans NOT a bunch of bratty 3rd graders.



in no particular order:

1 exp rate is already increased at lower levels. You have a 200% XP rate at level 1. at level 50 you have a 100% XP Rate. so there is already an xp boost, it's scaled.
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Look at the culture on the forums..and you think global /ooc will be better?? Please lets not ruin in game EQ the same way these forums have been ruined.

2. I hope your figures on the xp bonus rate are wrong, because as I recall them being explained its 100 percent xp bonus at lvl 1 that slowly decays up to zero precent bonus at lvl 50. I REALLY hope its not 100 percent still at level 50 because that is tottaly out of line with classic EQ.

[Zallar]

I'm looking forward to Global OOC. If it's regulated as promised it will provide an easy way to remove the trolls from the server instead of just the forums.

[Tavrin]

Look at the culture on the forums..and you think global /ooc will be better?? Please lets not ruin in game EQ the same way these forums have been ruined.

2. I hope your figures on the xp bonus rate are wrong, because as I recall them being explained its 100 percent xp bonus at lvl 1 that slowly decays up to zero precent bonus at lvl 50. I REALLY hope its not 100 percent still at level 50 because that is tottaly out of line with classic EQ.

it's not +100% at 50, 100% in her example is normal 'classic' xp.

At lvl 1 you get 2x xp per mob, and then slowly less as you level.

The whole concept of increasing xp is just wagging the dog at this point. The need for increased xp is due to lack of population, increasing xp won't drastically increase population; but it will be a band-aid to prevent new players from leaving.

The blue server is a good example, they have a classic XP rate and a very nice sized population.

I'm absolutely for a temporary increase in xp rate, as it will encourage the few new players we get to stick around, but it's still a bandaid until the real causes of why players quit is analyzed and corrected.

[hagard]

Classic had thousands more playing at all times. Get off your classic high horse and realize it's nothing like classic. This server caters to casters and solo classes.

[hagard]

so what about somenoe who wants to start here as a melee? tey still stuck soloing

Exactly that's why they are fucked when there is only 3 other people on the server in their level range on the entire server pre-40.

Melee are shafted, not to mention resists being fucked

[Kringe]

Are you suggesting we give them pets? This is a classic server, non-solo classes are still going to be shitty soloers.

You do realise that most of your points are very valid and would follow suit with Classic everquest during its orginal era, however with WoW, and the shitty mmos following suit, the entire gaming community has now changed.... Let me elaborate. Basically everyone wants to do less level grinding and more so end game content, and unless you have a population to support so, or a guild already high end and willing to twink/powerlevel you... Any newcomers are going quit or either play a caster/soloing class...
Any inevitably I may agree with your points in the "Everquest Classic" era, it simply doesnt work on a server where as you have 90% of the server are douchebags and unwilling to welcome new players and present a positive growth for the community.... That leaves us with 10% tops of an already low community base of sub 100 players to try and bring new players to the server people want to relive.

So, based on that knowledge alone lazor, I realise you are a strong proponent of "Classic Era" leveling grinding etc.... but it simply doesnt fit into this current timeframe of gaming... Does this mean we cater to the new players and bump the the experience 1000 times?? No, but we should try and put something in place to attract new players whom dont want to play the cookie cutter "solo" class, and try diversity for a change.


Who knows maybe a newbie vendor in each city with newbie starting equipment (not too overpowered of course) but something to give them an incentive and or make the leveling grind alittle more attractive.

[mizin]

This is being discussed between Rogean, Nilbog and I. I make no promises but i will tell you there was active discussion of this yesterday. Believe me when I tell you that it's not going to be an unlimited free for all. If it becomes a headache for the staff we will just shut it down. This means you people have to act like humans NOT a bunch of bratty 3rd graders.



in no particular order:

1 exp rate is already increased at lower levels. You have a 200% XP rate at level 1. at level 50 you have a 100% XP Rate. so there is already an xp boost, it's scaled.

2. There can be PVP at all levels. You don't have to only PVP at max level. This is not Call of Duty with EQ Characters.

fairly srue there are already Zone Experience modifiers but I'm not a dev. I can't swear to it.

I'm glad to hear you are all discussing the global ooc.. I hope it turns out well and useful to all of us. In regards to the exp you say PvP can be done at all levels. True. What you're not realizing is the SEVERE lack of player base for these other levels. I can count the names of everyone I've ever seen within PvP range. Now when i do see them I cant PvP becasue id rather group. You cant PvP at lower levels in most scenarios becasue there is no player base. When I see someone within my level its either ok, I PvP him or I group with him and actually get some experience. 9/10 times your gonna choose the group because it might be a day or two before you can get another.

The lack of players and slower low levels are actually preventing low level PvP from my perspective. You choose to either PvP with the only person you've run into who you could potentially group with, or to group with him and get exp. This is a perfect example why low level PvP isnt variable for a decent amount of players ESPECIALLY any melee.

Anyone arguing that an experience boost isn't need is probably already level 50 on this server with a ton of friends who can help out his freshly rolled alt. Keeping low level experience the way it is is only crippling the new players rather than ones who are already here. If you already have your 50 chances are you've twinked out your alt and have a friend power leveling him. So the lack of player base and exp is easily made up for through that.

[Zereh]

1 exp rate is already increased at lower levels. You have a 200% XP rate at level 1. at level 50 you have a 100% XP Rate. so there is already an xp boost, it's scaled.

Close, but off by 100%:


PvP/Red Server
EXP Bonus scaling has been added. The Bonus will scale from 100% at Level 1 to 0% at Level 50. (100 - (Level * 2)).

[Dullah]

Server needs updates, fixes and content, not faster exp. That is the only thing that will "make it better" and "increase the population." Its not rocket science, and at this point I only believe the people asking for faster exp are the same old trolls, not people who love classic EQ and came here looking to play it.

[Ames V1.013]

Close, but off by 100%:

lol

[SearyxTZ]

If you came here to PvP, you will just be disappointed that all you actually get is a 200+ hour grinding up to 42 by yourself prerequisite.

I've spent 100+ hours playing up to 33 and maybe 2 hours of that pvping (not for lack of willingness - there just aren't enough players).

On VZTZ this was why the XP rate was accelerated while the itemization treadmill was left untouched. It kept players within range of eachother.

[bilbobaggins]

1 exp rate is already increased at lower levels. You have a 200% XP rate at level 1. at level 50 you have a 100% XP Rate. so there is already an xp boost, it's scaled.


you sound like harrison here ^^

please understand that we know exp was already increased. what we are saying is that exp in its current state needs to be raised if this server has any chance of survival.

[heartbrand]

more content would prolly kill this server at this point

[Zereh]

more content would prolly kill this server at this point

Incorrect. Lack of new content will continue to slowly drive away those who currently play; introducing new content will bring back some of those who have left due to boredom.

[SearyxTZ]

It will also increase the # of zones in the game which will make several current problems worse.



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<3 Sear <3

[Harrison]

Do you mean she sounds, correct?

Hard to fathom.

[SearyxTZ]

Are you retarded? Serious question.

[Tradesonred]

1 exp rate is already increased at lower levels. You have a 200% XP rate at level 1. at level 50 you have a 100% XP Rate. so there is already an xp boost, it's scaled.

2. There can be PVP at all levels. You don't have to only PVP at max level. This is not Call of Duty with EQ Characters.

fairly srue there are already Zone Experience modifiers but I'm not a dev. I can't swear to it.

The xp grind is bad, wether or not it is increased. Devs should either enable OOC so that people can group together easier, which then makes the grind bearable or maybe notch it up a bit again. Harrison being stupid with "its classic", well its not classic. Its not classic because there is barely anyone to group with at lower levels.

Yea there can be PVP at all levels. Just try this yourself. Start any toon, grind hard alone and invest the time it takes to reach say, 20 and engage a twinked out character and eat pvp xp death a couple of times. Now ask yourself if you would repeat the experience or just skip pvp till 50 when you can start gearing your lowbies (my bet though after encountering one of these bored lulzdelevelutilluquit twinks is people saying fuck this and uninstalling everquest). This is why xp death in pvp is bad, been explaining this for months now.

[Harrison]

I think we need to make more threads about this so we can cry harder en masse.

[SearyxTZ]

I would rather see players fighting over zones/items than players solo-grinding NPCs on a pvp server. The exp rate still requires a 150+ hour investment right now to even get in-range to the bulk of the servers' players.

Think about that and you guys tell me if you have a better solution.

There is going to be a trade-off either way so long as there are like 60 people playing. I'd fucking love to see low-mid level PvP here but it is a pipe dream even if there were ~200 players active. You need 500+ for that.

[SearyxTZ]

I think we need to make more threads about this so we can cry harder en masse.

I think you need to stop posting here forever since you don't play + everyone hates you + you were supposed to not troll here after mom (Amelinda) gave you a talking-to.

http://i.verylol.com/1/hey_emo_go_kill_yourself.jpg

[Zereh]

It will also increase the # of zones in the game which will make several current problems worse.

Creating an inviting environment for new players shouldn't come at the expense of alienating established players.

Deployment of new content, and I'm working under the assumption that means PoHate, Temple of SolRo & Sky, should really have very little impact on what happens (or in this case, doesn't happen) in the newbie zones.

[Lazortag]

Only people complaining about increasing exp are the people in the large guilds who already have leveled their mains to 50 and have PL'd alts uber quick with a druid and don't want new players to get 40ish quick and throw off the guild balance.


What are you talking about? I'm not even level 50 yet and I played since the server started. I'm a very casual player and I still don't think increasing exp even more is a good idea. It's taken me months to get to where I am and I still enjoyed it because (despite what the trolls will tell you) there is a lot of mid level pvp on this server to keep you entertained during the grind.

[Harrison]

Not going to avoid posting in thread #104928348 crying about experience because it's already increased.

Cry harder.

[SearyxTZ]

Creating an inviting environment for new players shouldn't come at the expense of alienating established players.

Deployment of new content, and I'm working under the assumption that means PoHate, Temple of SolRo & Sky, should really have very little impact on what happens (or in this case, doesn't happen) in the newbie zones.



I agree on that.

I'm thinking more along the lines of Kunark which would be brutal given the size of zones + current pop. Things have to be fixed in between now and then.



Also: Nihilum could break up and start killing eachother since they have no real competition anyway. JUST AN IDEA.

[Tradesonred]

I would rather see players fighting over zones/items than players solo-grinding NPCs on a pvp server. The exp rate still requires a 150+ hour investment right now to even get in-range to the bulk of the servers' players.

Think about that and you guys tell me if you have a better solution.

There is going to be a trade-off either way so long as there are like 60 people playing. I'd fucking love to see low-mid level PvP here but it is a pipe dream even if there were ~200 players active. You need 500+ for that.

And even if you have 500, with XP death you would bleed population even faster, since there would not be any place to hide from the numerous twinks deleveling people.

So if magically we had a box with 500 players today, with 40% old players, how do you think the rest of the 60% would react when fighting gangs of twinks they have no hope of beating and losing experience on a harsh pve grind? They would quit is my bet and box would be down to 100 in a couple of weeks again.

As it is right now, at least you can try to crawl under a hole somewhere and level in peace, because there is nothing to gain except grief from pvp if you are new on this server because you will lose 90% of the times to twinks.

At least if there is no xp loss in pvp it can be fun (for a while) to attempt to kill hard twinks. Like ive been saying. For the past 5 months.

[SearyxTZ]

Not going to avoid posting in thread #104928348 crying about experience because it's already increased.

Cry harder.

You've posted the same thing about 15 times now.


Can you shut the fuck up yourself, or do we need to start reporting your posts again?

[Harrison]

Report my posts, cry about me in IRC (oh you can't, you're banned)

What you won't see me doing is crying because XP is slow on a server with increased XP.

[Zereh]

Also: Nihilum could break up and start killing eachother since they have no real competition anyway. JUST AN IDEA.

haha I've had this discussion. If I were altruistic I'd join another guild just to help keep the server alive, right?

But I'm not. :(

[SearyxTZ]

Report my posts

Okay.

[Tradesonred]

Wow amelinda, if you dont shitcan harrison's ass after this thread, i will start thinking that harrison is giving weekly blowjobs to Rogean so he can keep posting on the forums.

[heartbrand]

Incorrect. Lack of new content will continue to slowly drive away those who currently play; introducing new content will bring back some of those who have left due to boredom.

new content, aka plane of hate / plane of sky, will just bring more nihilum back, which will only exasperate the end game issue this server has.

[Xantille]

Also: Nihilum could break up and start killing eachother since they have no real competition anyway. JUST AN IDEA.

Lolz. Will never happen. This isn't VZTZ, where guilds that farmed raid mobs uncontested eventually got bored and either started killing each other or stopped playing until some competition sprang up.

However, with the lack of substantive GM communication (and new content), I could see the 'stopped playing' thing happening in the near future. Like Holocaust, Nihilum has just as much turnover w/ their original members. People get geared, realize there's no fun PvP going on, and lose interest.

[Zereh]

new content, aka plane of hate / plane of sky, will just bring more nihilum back, which will only exasperate the end game issue this server has.

Is your goal to create a server where there is a healthy balance of players spread out along the leveling curve? Because if it is, then starting in on the guild bashing only discredits what you say.

If you can't see beyond the tag that hangs above your head, or mine, or any other player's, then there's no point in having any discussion at all.

[Xantille]

new content, aka plane of hate / plane of sky, will just bring more nihilum back, which will only exasperate the end game issue this server has.

Not the worst thing in the world, because it gives me more people to ALLAH AKBAR and provides more raid and semi-raid content for the people actually playing.

But I agree that rolling out these new zones would be akin to putting a bandaid on a broken leg, and make PvP even harder to find. I was looking forward to the next generation of high level players w/ TZT, Brotherhood, etc, but they have largely disappeared for various reasons.

[Rydar]

We do need a more accelerated release of content. I think once Kunark comes out there will be a very big spike in population.

[Dubee]

3) Exp. As much as you'd like to believe people came to this server and they want to enjoy the quest, the grind, the journey, or whatever you'd like to refer to it as... that is not the case. Everyone should be on this server for one reason and the majority of us are. We want PvP and we want lots of it. Want to "enjoy the game, and the grind"? Go to the blue server. You can PvE your heart out with a bigger player base and more options. WE WANT PVP.

I'm not sure that this solution is something that is actually do able however, another solution I could potentially see is "hot zones". zones all through a certain level group that have a bigger exp bonus. Examples would be crushbone, unrest, oasis, permafrost, lguk. These hot zones would be great not only for the increased experience, but would also promote more low to mid level pvp due to the increase of population in said zones.


I am level 12 troll shadowknight. I have fun. I PvP. I solo. Crushbone and unrest seem healthy to me. So is south karana when I get on my 33 Shaman, it's always 5-15 people grouping, pvping, soloing etc.

I gave you recommendations on where to solo your druid, telling you to go to east karana, kill Crags and Griffawns then transition into South Karana. You asked me if there was PvP there, and I said ya sometimes Crags has competition and its fun. You responded saying you would prefer to avoid all PvP. That is why I am having a hardtime understanding your arguement about wanting PvP and please gimme insta 50, but still talkinga bout enjoying midlvl...

Also, all the zones you mentioned already have exp bonuses. Thanks for playing the game.

[mizin]

I am level 12 troll shadowknight. I have fun. I PvP. I solo. Crushbone and unrest seem healthy to me. So is south karana when I get on my 33 Shaman, it's always 5-15 people grouping, pvping, soloing etc.

I gave you recommendations on where to solo your druid, telling you to go to east karana, kill Crags and Griffawns then transition into South Karana. You asked me if there was PvP there, and I said ya sometimes Crags has competition and its fun. You responded saying you would prefer to avoid all PvP. That is why I am having a hardtime understanding your arguement about wanting PvP and please gimme insta 50, but still talkinga bout enjoying midlvl...

Also, all the zones you mentioned already have exp bonuses. Thanks for playing the game.

A single type of PvP encounter while I'm charm killing is going to result in my dieing. Excuse me for wanting to avoid PvP while using this method to level. I spent last night and all afternoon today in EK and have seen 1 single person in this zone for about 5 minutes with me. Its just as dead as every other zone in been to.

You're entirely missing the point of my "hot zone" suggestion. Thanks for playing the game.

[heartbrand]

We do need a more accelerated release of content. I think once Kunark comes out there will be a very big spike in population.

kunark will literally be the nail in the coffin if changes don't occur first

[heartbrand]

Is your goal to create a server where there is a healthy balance of players spread out along the leveling curve? Because if it is, then starting in on the guild bashing only discredits what you say.

If you can't see beyond the tag that hangs above your head, or mine, or any other player's, then there's no point in having any discussion at all.

this isn't 1999, people aren't here to "enjoy the ride" they want to get to 50 as fast as possible, because that's when the game begins for most people

[Rydar]

this isn't 1999, people aren't here to "enjoy the ride" they want to get to 50 as fast as possible, because that's when the game begins for most people

WRONG!

seriously, try another server. This is a classic 1999 style everquest experience. I dont think this server is right for you.....

[jdklaw]

this isn't 1999, people aren't here to "enjoy the ride" they want to get to 50 as fast as possible, because that's when the game begins for most people

WRONG!

seriously, try another server. This is a classic 1999 style everquest experience. I dont think this server is right for you.....

Yea, I have to dissagree w you HB. I am not a vztz'er and do not wish to play call of duty EQ mod. I liked the challenge of PvPing while leveling, I enjoy PvPing at 50, and most importantly, I enjoy being able to PvP for a camp instead of poopsocking it and waiting in line...

I do think things like global OOC and YT will stimulate the server. I want the box to grow just like you.

[heartbrand]

Yea, I have to dissagree w you HB. I am not a vztz'er and do not wish to play call of duty EQ mod. I liked the challenge of PvPing while leveling, I enjoy PvPing at 50, and most importantly, I enjoy being able to PvP for a camp instead of poopsocking it and waiting in line...

I do think things like global OOC and YT will stimulate the server. I want the box to grow just like you.

Appreciate someone who can disagree without trolling. I gotta disagree with you on this though because as the server stands today, there really is NO PVP outside of 42+, with the exception of the occasional unrest skirmish.

[kazroth]

Close, but off by 100%:

Close, but reread what she wrote.

[Rikimeru]

this is a pvp server not blue99 its supposed to be pvp focused

again ,

werent you told to not post these type of messages?

actually this is eq pvp server, not an esport pvp server.

[Zereh]

this isn't 1999, people aren't here to "enjoy the ride" they want to get to 50 as fast as possible, because that's when the game begins for most people

You want people be 50 ... yet you want to drive away those who are 50 by limiting their content? :confused:

PvP is not the end-all be-all for the server's success. If you can't keep people engaged in the PvE aspect pretty soon there is no one left to PvP with.

[Rikimeru]

Report my posts, cry about me in IRC (oh you can't, you're banned)

What you won't see me doing is crying because XP is slow on a server with increased XP.

harrison, nobody is gonna give a shit what you say as long as you don't play on the server. so start playin again or stay in r&f and away from the server discussions.

[Zereh]

Close, but reread what she wrote.

:o Numbers are hard. I obviously have math issues. My bad.

[Harrison]

Reported for staff insult

[Crenshinabon]

Close, but off by 100%:

As far as I can tell from Amelinda's sentence it seems like she is saying at lvl 1 you get 2x and at 50 its 1x. So .. I think you are off by 100%?~~

Anyways I dig the new boosted xp.. anymore would be terrible though as far as classic goes. I am low level atm but have recently started again and the slightly faster xp makes it seem a bit more playable already. Now if there was some global ooc.

As far as content goes I think that if global ooc is put in and then hate and eventually kunark is released then everything gonna be bangin.

Just please do not take the legacy items out of game yet, still got some levels to go!! lol.

[Zereh]

:o Numbers are hard. I obviously have math issues. My bad.

Yeah =P

[kazroth]

:o Numbers are hard. I obviously have math issues. My bad.

No worries, we can hold math lessons in private if you're cute and a real female. :p

[Crenshinabon]

ahha sorry Zer, didnt realize thread was 10 pages. O my this one grew fast. (thats what she said)

[kazroth]

If the server ever does shut down you'll be all over the place with more moronic one liners about how you called it, was the playerbases fault, etc.

Will he be wrong? Won't he have called it? You guys are like rats fleeing a sinking ship. Harrison happens to be the most vocal person on the boards, so you guys go straight for him. I admit - he has no tact - and there are better ways to handle the situation, but enough is enough with blaming your problems on a forum poster. :rolleyes:

[kazroth]

A legitimate topic worthy of discussion by someone new here and instantly you derail the entire fucking thing by the fourth comment.

Sorry for the double post, but this response just kills me. Someone "new" here comes onto the forums and posts an opinion that the vocal majority agree with and he's treated like the second coming of Christ.

I wonder what the responses would have been if he had the opposite view? Either outright flaming and degradation or being ignored, most likely.

[Crenshinabon]

pretty sure its not as bad as you think Kaz. You sound angry brah.

[Dubee]

Appreciate someone who can disagree without trolling. I gotta disagree with you on this though because as the server stands today, there really is NO PVP outside of 42+, with the exception of the occasional unrest skirmish.

I am level 12 troll shadowknight. I have fun. I PvP. I solo. Crushbone and unrest seem healthy to me. So is south karana when I get on my 33 Shaman, it's always 5-15 people grouping, pvping, soloing etc.


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[Slave]

11 pages of posts again, and nobody mentions hardcoding Teams which would pretty much give this guy (and 90% of everyone else) everything he wants. Is the one-guild paradigm so important to you all that you'll ride it into the server's grave?

[Dullah]

Strange, I don't recall r99 being limited to 1 guild.

What is this "one-guild paradigm" that you speak of?

[traderbro]

EQ Classic is the best FPS/MMO with Roleplaying and the whole RPGMMO experience. Thats why i play. Owned.