Yellow Text: The Definitive Discussion

[heartbrand]

I hear the arguments for and against global OOC, and I think both can make valid points, even if I find one much more compelling than the other. What I don't truly hear is the valid argument against yellow text.

Issues that have been brought up:

- Reveals your location.

Response: Server pop is so low already, it's not like you don't know where everyone is already. I can do a /who all and know prolly where 60-75% of the people I see are at any given time. Sassy and crew are going to be in CT, the other FF are going to be in BB or WFP, Nihilum are in Fear or Guk, the low-mid levels are all in Unrest, etc. Of course if it's a huge issue to people can, we can simply have yellow text not show location, this problem solved.

- People will make troll account names like mycock beats xxxx or w/e

Response: Ban hammer with vengeance / make yellow text require minimum level 10-15 or something.

- People will use it to grief others.

Response: 1) It actually prevents some forms of griefing such as bind camping AFK people because now the server is alerted to it and can mobilize, would citychamp have taken 200+ deaths if nihilum knew it was going on? (lol if they were dong bawses maybe!!! ok sorry wrong thread) but seriously it would help stop that. 2) Sure, some people will do whatever they can to get that pvp kill...... but isn't that the point of a PVP server? 3) The main levels where true "griefing" can occur, the mid-levels, are all a bunch of people trying to avoid PVP at all costs so they can get through the terrible XP grind, and a lot of people at this point are being power leveled by themselves away from PVP anyway at this point.

Yellow text will make the server seem more alive, encourage PVP (right now there is little motivation to chase runners down and what not cuz why bother when they will loot up 2 minutes from now and be on their way?) make forumquest a bit more fun when we can truly see who is winning on the server, etc., etc. Player X claims to be a badass on forums? Let's see what happens when we have yellow text.

At the very least, can't we just give it a two week trial period? Is there really anything to lose on this server at this point? Also, it's pretty clear this server already has it's "niche" population, shouldn't we start catering to that population rather than to the non-existent "purple" pop on this server who have already quit/left and prolly aren't coming back?

Edit: Some have suggested raising level "cap" on yellow text even higher to perhaps 30-35, this would cut down on some of the "griefing" people see worried about at those levels. Others have suggest an "opt-out" or way to ignore the text as well. Both sound cool.

[Lazortag]

I've won this argument already, making a new thread is not going to change that. Even big xantille agreed with me.

[heartbrand]

Great response that addresses the pros and cons of the thread with good arguments. A++. I would add that wolfram does not play a great deal on this server, and holds opinions contrary to many on this server. While his opinion is by no means disregarded because of such, I would say that his opinions are outside the "mainstream" of the PVP server, and should be viewed as such.

[Lazortag]

I'm saying that I've addressed all of your points and thoroughly proven why YT is a bad idea in other threads, only for you to just ignore what I've said and make new threads.

[Arillious]

At this point, im willing to give anything a try. I have little hope for this actually getting done and even if it does, people will find something else to bitch about and be "The reason why the server is dead".

[heartbrand]

At this point, im willing to give anything a try. I have little hope for this actually getting done and even if it does, people will find something else to bitch about and be "The reason why the server is dead".

Thank you for you response. I think that's something I should have touched on more. This server is in crisis. Is there really anything to lose from a two week trial run of yellow text, followed by a poll/thread to get peoples thoughts on how it went and if it should be made a permanent staple on this server? Seems low-risk, high reward.

Also, I think people need to be honest about the PVP reality on this server. At the high end there are only three guilds, Holo / FF / Nihilum. Each are all bundled together at any given time. The majority of PVP at this point is really group vs. group. A lot of the griefing issues mentioned in other threads just wouldn't become a huge reality here given the population and state of the end game.

[heartbrand]

Took me a while to find your post Wolfram:

"Yellow text is stupid, Rogean already said it wasn't going in. Every time this is mentioned I make the exact same argument and no one responds except to call me a "fag" or a "pussy". News flash: being opposed to YT doesn't mean I'm afraid of pvp. It just means that I think this server shouldn't be turned into an FPS where the singular goal of everyone playing is to kill everyone you can indiscriminately, regardless of whether there's a good reason. Classic pvp wasn't like that. Some players were anti PK's, some players were PK's, some were elf-slayers, etc. Yellow text encourages people to kill just for the sake of killing."

Here's the issue in my opinion with what you said. This isn't a server with a large pop, with multiple non=pk guilds, non guilded players, etc. The end game is holo/ff/nihilum, that's it. Yellow text will just make PVP at the end game more exciting as you can actually show your accomplishments rather than play ForumQuest. There isn't a large enough pop to have the type of griefing going on that you seem concerned about. Because there's no teams it's basically join one of those three guilds at the end game or do nothing. All three guilds are at war with each other, so every PVP battle is "justified."

[Lazortag]

You can show your "accomplishments" just fine on the forums. One difference is that the forums would require you to post a screenshot showing the context in which the kill occurred, and yellow text does not. So if you zerg someone, kill them naked, etc. then that will be clear from your screenshot, but with yellow text this is not clear. Additionally, posting on the forums means you can add little captions to your kill (like Casey), or add other pictures, or whatever. It's just more fun, and it's also optional. If I don't want to be given attention every time I kill someone, or if I don't want to hear about other people being killed, I can just not read/post on the forums. Yellow text isn't opt-outable in the same way.

Moreover, yellow text has always been seen as an informal leaderboard on every server that it's been implemented on. If someone gets more yellow text, that means they're more skilled; if they get less, it means they're less skilled. Obviously we can all see the issue with this (since you can bind camp someone 20 times and get 20 YT's, but that wouldn't take any skill, for example), but the kind of crowd that plays on pvp servers will still act as if you're shitty if you don't get lots of YT.

Why is this bad? Apart from being a grossly inaccurate measure of someone's skill, it changes how people conduct themselves in pvp and what rules of engagement they impose on themselves. On this server I can walk up to a random unguilded player, /wave at them, have a conversation, and not feel the urge to kill them or vice versa. On a server with YT, that player would have attacked me out of fear that I'd attack first, kill them, and damage their "rep" with a server-wide announcement that they'd been killed. If you think I'm overanalyzing this you haven't been around long; this is a 100% accurate account of what happens on pvp servers with yellow text. Players become more paranoid, act like bigger douches than they already would have, all for the sake of getting more YT in their favor or avoiding being on the wrong side of YT.

I'm not saying no one should be allowed to play this way - I still consider myself anti-pk and I would have no purpose if there were no griefers. I just think that players shouldn't be pressured into playing this way. I know YT doesn't literally force you to want to kill everyone you see as if the game is an FPS, but it creates a social expectation to play like that, for the reasons I mentioned above. There's absolutely nothing classic about that - in classic less people griefed or attacked other players unprovoked. The playerbase was a lot more diverse - some people roleplayed as elf supremacists, anti-pk's, gnome slayers, whatever. While I admit it's unlikely that red99 will have that kind of diversity, it's at least possible without YT. When you have YT there's only one rule: kill everyone you see, run from anyone who might have a chance at humiliating you with YT, and ridicule anyone who doesn't have as much YT as you for being "less skilled".

[heartbrand]

Simple response to your post as said above, the players you mention don't exist on this server. If you're level 45+ there's a 95.999% chance you're in FF/ Holo / Nihilum. Each of which is highly KOS to the other.

[Smedy]

supporting YT for a better tommorrow

[Cast v27.5]

supporting YT for a better tommorrow

Only post i read in this thread. Who in their right mind would read lazorfags wall of text. Anyway YT aint going in rogaine dont give 0 fucks

[Humerox]

I am personally against YT - for the reasons Wolfram so eloquently posted - but if it brings people back to play put it in.

The only way to resolve this dispute is to give it a trial and see what server population looks like in a month versus the ~130 we have on now.

[Cast v27.5]

I personally like when the pop is sub 20 ppl which is 1/3 of the day

[IronLikeALionInZion]

Play Rise Of Nations, the grief factor alone is picking up where red99 dropped the ball.

[Rushmore]

supporting YT for a better tommorrow

[bamzal]

is first page talking yellow text, or wall of text?

[mostbitter]

holy shit lazortag is smoking crack. YELLOW TEXT MAKES EVERYONE A BAD GUY. lol im still laughin

[Humerox]

A lot of talk has gone on about YT promoting PvP.

On the other hand, wouldn't a lot of people avoid PvP simply because they didn't want to risk YT?

just sayin~

[Mornin3.0]

Null voted No... another wasted poll.. Also, to make YT better, it should have an ignore feature and it should only apply to people lvl 30+

[Smedy]

ooc still more important but with ooc must come yellow text sirs

we need to penetrate the staff with at least one supporter of ooc and work from there.

[herpaderp]

Only post i read in this thread. Who in their right mind would read lazorfags wall of text. Anyway YT aint going in rogaine dont give 0 fucks

this guy knows his shit

in my opinion , yellow text is stupid , so is a pvp leaderboard it makes people grief full time just for shits and luls , either way , no one listening bros give up

[biscuits2455]

Yellow Text is great. It does 100% make the server feel more alive. Gives people pvp to look forward to when you see massive guild battles across all zones. Giving away your location is a non issue in my opinion. I fully support Yellow Text AND Global OOC.

[heartbrand]

this guy knows his shit

in my opinion , yellow text is stupid , so is a pvp leaderboard it makes people grief full time just for shits and luls , either way , no one listening bros give up

The griefing argument in my opinion is incredibly weak.

1) Have you people seen the pop on this server? It's terrible. Anyone you're "griefing" is in the rival guild, that doesn't seem to be "griefing" to me.

2) When you're talking about "griefing" are you referring to bind camping? Hate to break it to you folks, this already goes on all the time on this server, yellow text isn't going to change that. If you're dumb enough to die at your bind you're getting bind camped on this server by 99.9999% of the pop, regardless of YT or not. And again, YT actually alerts your friends and guildies that in fact you are being bind camped so they can come to your rescue should you be one of the many people on this server dumb enough to do so. Are you referencing killing people naked? Again, 99.99% of the pop on this server is going to kill you, most likely because it's holo vs. ff or vs. nihilum, all who KOS eachother.

3) I feel like a lot of people are throwing out the word "griefing" to refer to PKing someone. Getting PKed is not being griefed folks. Griefing is things like kill-stealing from newbies out of your range, bringing OOR healers with your twink to Unrest, training people; PKing them on the other hand while they're in range to you is not "griefing."

In short, this "griefing" people are talking about, which most likely refers to PKing people, already happens all the frickin time, as it should on a frickin PVP server.

There are no mass of unguilded "innocents" on this server being hunted down, again, the end game consists of three guilds and maybe 5% of the pop at 45+ isn't in one of those three guilds.

Edit: There's going to, hopefully, be some epic naggy PVP tonight, there will be ForumQuesting done by all sides involved to try to show who the "winner" of the PVP is. Yellow Text will let us all know who the true winners are.

[heartbrand]

If possible, can those who voted No please explain their reasoning? I saw herp and lazortag did, thanks.

[hagard]

supporting YT for a better tommorrow

Eat shit lazorfag

[Cast v27.5]

Eat shit lazorfag

[Harrison]

Rogean told you guys, no. Get over it. VZTZ is dead. It was a joke.

[Marglar]

I voted yes, with modifications. I really like yellow text - it makes the server feel more alive and it invites some more conversation with people at times. it makes the pvp kills feel a little more special since you get server wide recognition for taking someone out. right now I honestly give two shits when I kill someone, it doesn't feel special or as thrilling as seeing my name in a server wide message.

I do not like the advertising of which zone it occurred in. if someone wants to be anon, they should be allowed to stay anon. sure - you can guess which zones people are in at times, but killing someone should not alert the entire server where you are or what you're going to camp etc.

[heartbrand]

He who shall not be quoted, great reasons presented in your argument, A++

[SamwiseRed]

ooc still more important but with ooc must come yellow text sirs

we need to penetrate the staff with at least one supporter of ooc and work from there.

smedy for gm. lets get our foot in the door with good ol smedy.

[Harrison]

He who shall not be quoted, great reasons presented in your argument, A++

Arguments are unnecessary with mental midgets who don't understand such simple things as "the owner of the server told you you're not getting yellow text, period."

The basis for this server is P99, not VZTZ, so keep that in mind.

[hagard]

Rogaine won't see or read this btw

[herpaderp]

The griefing argument in my opinion is incredibly weak.

1) Have you people seen the pop on this server? It's terrible. Anyone you're "griefing" is in the rival guild, that doesn't seem to be "griefing" to me.

2) When you're talking about "griefing" are you referring to bind camping? Hate to break it to you folks, this already goes on all the time on this server, yellow text isn't going to change that. If you're dumb enough to die at your bind you're getting bind camped on this server by 99.9999% of the pop, regardless of YT or not. And again, YT actually alerts your friends and guildies that in fact you are being bind camped so they can come to your rescue should you be one of the many people on this server dumb enough to do so. Are you referencing killing people naked? Again, 99.99% of the pop on this server is going to kill you, most likely because it's holo vs. ff or vs. nihilum, all who KOS eachother.

3) I feel like a lot of people are throwing out the word "griefing" to refer to PKing someone. Getting PKed is not being griefed folks. Griefing is things like kill-stealing from newbies out of your range, bringing OOR healers with your twink to Unrest, training people; PKing them on the other hand while they're in range to you is not "griefing."

In short, this "griefing" people are talking about, which most likely refers to PKing people, already happens all the frickin time, as it should on a frickin PVP server.

There are no mass of unguilded "innocents" on this server being hunted down, again, the end game consists of three guilds and maybe 5% of the pop at 45+ isn't in one of those three guilds.

Edit: There's going to, hopefully, be some epic naggy PVP tonight, there will be ForumQuesting done by all sides involved to try to show who the "winner" of the PVP is. Yellow Text will let us all know who the true winners are.

did you play on zek when the servers merged ? did you see how hard people tried to get numbers to show they were good at pvp?

im talking thousand platinum insta gate pots hotkeyed clickeys , oor healers and just people killing mobs getting jumped by raid geared players just to get a point on that leaderboard

leaderboards ruin servers , because they make pvp players repeatedly gank for no reason other then a number

if you had a battleground people went into specifically for pvp that would be fine

leaderboards and yellow text do not belong on p99 red or blue

but it does not matter what i think , poopsockers and griefers ruined their own server and the main dev went to go play a different game

stop it with the yellow text and global ooc posts it isnt happening

no one cares

[herpaderp]

eq is a pve game

pvp is FUN and i like it myself , but if you are only here for pvp

YOU ARE PLAYING THE WRONG GAME

what game you choose will be your choosing

but a 0 progression pve game will work awesome , for about a month

wow where did the people go? /boggle

[Lazortag]

Wow I got trolled hard. Seriously, I dismissed Heartbrand's idiotic suggestion because I knew if I explained myself thoroughly in terms that no reasonable person could possibly disagree with, I would just have people reply with one liners calling me a fag or a bluebie. I took the bait, wrote a 500+ word post, only for it to be responded with posts like this:

Simple response to your post as said above, the players you mention don't exist on this server. If you're level 45+ there's a 95.999% chance you're in FF/ Holo / Nihilum. Each of which is highly KOS to the other.

Sorry, in no world can you adequately respond to a 500 word post with a 40 word post. What I said still stands, unguilded players will get shit on the most. Even if there were only one unguilded player on the server, my point would be valid.

The rest of this post is just going to be flippant responses to one liners. Most of your opinions are worthless but I'll grace you with my presence in this thread one last time.

Only post i read in this thread. Who in their right mind would read lazorfags wall of text. Anyway YT aint going in rogaine dont give 0 fucks

I should have expected that 500 words would be too long for a simpleton like you to understand. Why make logical arguments when you can just call someone a fag? With a staggering intellect like yours I'm surprised that you're stuck doing janitorial work.

I personally like when the pop is sub 20 ppl which is 1/3 of the day

Not true and irrelevant. Confirmed dumb.

holy shit lazortag is smoking crack. YELLOW TEXT MAKES EVERYONE A BAD GUY. lol im still laughin

Yeah I know right, it's such a stupid idea to think that rules can change people's behaviour. It's not like I made an empirical observation about something that actually happened on every other pvp server. Idiot.

The griefing argument in my opinion is incredibly weak.

1) Have you people seen the pop on this server? It's terrible. Anyone you're "griefing" is in the rival guild, that doesn't seem to be "griefing" to me.

Every other pvp server had a lower population than red99 (except vztz at its peak which had roughly the same population of non-boxers). The observations I made about how YT impacted those servers still holds, so the population argument is silly.


2) When you're talking about "griefing" are you referring to bind camping? Hate to break it to you folks, this already goes on all the time on this server, yellow text isn't going to change that. If you're dumb enough to die at your bind you're getting bind camped on this server by 99.9999% of the pop, regardless of YT or not. And again, YT actually alerts your friends and guildies that in fact you are being bind camped so they can come to your rescue should you be one of the many people on this server dumb enough to do so. Are you referencing killing people naked? Again, 99.99% of the pop on this server is going to kill you, most likely because it's holo vs. ff or vs. nihilum, all who KOS eachother.


Bind camping unguilded players, or players not in rival guilds, will happen more if there's YT, for reasons I already mentioned. Bind camping players in rival guilds (by people who would normally choose not to bind camp), would also happen more, for reasons I already mentioned. Refer to my post on the first page which thoroughly demolished the case for YT.



3) I feel like a lot of people are throwing out the word "griefing" to refer to PKing someone. Getting PKed is not being griefed folks. Griefing is things like kill-stealing from newbies out of your range, bringing OOR healers with your twink to Unrest, training people; PKing them on the other hand while they're in range to you is not "griefing."

I have a simple response to this: read my other post. There's more nuance to this other than, "people will grief more". They adopt different rules of engagement because the stakes for each pvp battle are higher (now they get publicly humiliated if they lose). This means that, at a minimum, you will see people attacking other players unprovoked more often to get that sweet high from being publicly recognized for killing someone in a video game. It's not bad that this behaviour exists, but it's bad if this behaviour is encouraged. Do you understand the difference now between what I'm saying, and what you think I'm saying?

Eat shit lazorfag

lol! Good one. With the way you guys act it's a wonder the staff doesn't want to listen to your moronic suggestions.

One last thing, re: encouraging pvp. It's a pvp server: you don't need to encourage pvp. Everyone knows what they signed up for. ARGUMENT OVER.

[hagard]

Does anyone even read lazorfags wall of text, ever?

[heartbrand]

Wow I got trolled hard. Seriously, I dismissed Heartbrand's idiotic suggestion because I knew if I explained myself thoroughly in terms that no reasonable person could possibly disagree with, I would just have people reply with one liners calling me a fag or a bluebie. I took the bait, wrote a 500+ word post, only for it to be responded with posts like this:



Sorry, in no world can you adequately respond to a 500 word post with a 40 word post. What I said still stands, unguilded players will get shit on the most. Even if there were only one unguilded player on the server, my point would be valid.

The rest of this post is just going to be flippant responses to one liners. Most of your opinions are worthless but I'll grace you with my presence in this thread one last time.



I should have expected that 500 words would be too long for a simpleton like you to understand. Why make logical arguments when you can just call someone a fag? With a staggering intellect like yours I'm surprised that you're stuck doing janitorial work.



Not true and irrelevant. Confirmed dumb.



Yeah I know right, it's such a stupid idea to think that rules can change people's behaviour. It's not like I made an empirical observation about something that actually happened on every other pvp server. Idiot.



Every other pvp server had a lower population than red99 (except vztz at its peak which had roughly the same population of non-boxers). The observations I made about how YT impacted those servers still holds, so the population argument is silly.



Bind camping unguilded players, or players not in rival guilds, will happen more if there's YT, for reasons I already mentioned. Bind camping players in rival guilds (by people who would normally choose not to bind camp), would also happen more, for reasons I already mentioned. Refer to my post on the first page which thoroughly demolished the case for YT.



I have a simple response to this: read my other post. There's more nuance to this other than, "people will grief more". They adopt different rules of engagement because the stakes for each pvp battle are higher (now they get publicly humiliated if they lose). This means that, at a minimum, you will see people attacking other players unprovoked more often to get that sweet high from being publicly recognized for killing someone in a video game. It's not bad that this behaviour exists, but it's bad if this behaviour is encouraged. Do you understand the difference now between what I'm saying, and what you think I'm saying?



lol! Good one. With the way you guys act it's a wonder the staff doesn't want to listen to your moronic suggestions.

One last thing, re: encouraging pvp. It's a pvp server: you don't need to encourage pvp. Everyone knows what they signed up for. ARGUMENT OVER.

Your entire post ignores the entire reality of this server. You created an argument based upon a reality that isn't accurate. Sick of debating with you, it's pointless, we heard your view, the poll since you are in the vast minority, thanks for stating it.

[Srs Not Ames]

I would like to see YT implemented but rogean is never gunna put that shit in pals.

[hagard]

I would like to see YT implemented but rogean is never gunna put that shit in pals.

So tru

[Hovis]

So tru

big hagard -- i miss you pal

[Tradesonred]

we can simply have yellow text not show location, this problem solved.


I would vote for yellow text with this modification

[Greegon]

Please, please, please to yellow text! Even if only to cater to those that have quit the server.

PVP leaderboards even! Help the pop! Really wish there was an actual global chat channel too-- there is an '/ignore' function. And you can even turn channels off if you want so I don't think it would be a problem to have it until more people came over like on blue.

[prince 7th edition]

This is one of those things that makes an enormous positive difference to the r99 experience of the ppl who care about it, and has no negative effect on the gameplay of people that dont like it.

[heartbrand]

This is one of those things that makes an enormous positive difference to the r99 experience of the ppl who care about it, and has no negative effect on the gameplay of people that dont like it.

Pretty much this.

[Rydar]

I voted no, it will only lead to more people avoiding a fight at all costs so they dont get YT'ed.

EQ pvp should be over in game content, not over non-classic YT.

[prince 7th edition]

if you think yt is (ever) the deciding factor in peoples decision of fight or flight, you are deluding yourself

[prince 7th edition]

and actually "the deciding factor" should be "at all any sort of factor'

[Truth]

i am predator u r prey

[Vile]

YT ISNT THE PROBLEM. XP STILL SUX

[Dullah]

YT ISNT THE PROBLEM. XP STILL SUX

Why don't you go through every topic and spam this crap....

If anything, making exp not classic would look to have hurt the population based on statistics.

[Lazortag]

Your entire post ignores the entire reality of this server. You created an argument based upon a reality that isn't accurate. Sick of debating with you, it's pointless, we heard your view, the poll since you are in the vast minority, thanks for stating it.

It doesn't matter whether I'm in the minority if I'm right and you're wrong. The staff is more likely to listen to someone who writes a thoughtful post about YT, than the people who call others "fags" whenever they express an opposing view. This thread has already turned into a circle jerk by the supporters of YT, you guys aren't interested in hearing any opinions other than your own.

if you think yt is (ever) the deciding factor in peoples decision of fight or flight, you are deluding yourself

Dude, as ridiculous as it sounds, it happens. People care less about their coin than they do about their rep. It just creates one more reason for people to run when they're evenly matched (which is already a problem on this server - I'm looking at you FF/holo). Whether you get publicly humiliated when you die is a factor in your decision to run or not. Saying otherwise is just ignoring history (do you honestly think this didn't occur on previous pvp boxes?). History doesn't lie.

[heartbrand]

Did you really make a post about running when nihilum's number one PVP strat is to buff up and sit at a zone line for hours waiting for PVP to come to them rather than engage? I've seen this countless times on raids / guk / sol b. But this post wasn't meant to turn into that, your entire reason against YT is based upon something that isn't an accurate depiction of the reality of this server.

There are no unguilded people at the 40+ level bracket being picked on by the mean griefers. It is FF vs. Holo vs. Nihilum. YT would encourage PVP on my part at least, for those mornings when you see a couple people chilling in CT but you're too lazy to PVP them because they're just going to head back there two minutes later after you kill them. YT now gives me an incentive to go dirtnap them. Some people call this "Griefing." I call this PVP.

[Dullah]

Did you really make a post about running when nihilum's number one PVP strat is to buff up and sit at a zone line for hours waiting for PVP to come to them rather than engage?
ROFL, last 3 guild pvp encounters this is EXACTLY what holo did sprinkled with a few single man suicide zergs...

so full of poooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[heartbrand]

I've been in both guilds, you haven't. I've seen how it is on both sides. Tror/Emumu's strat is always to wait it out. I'm not saying it isn't a "Valid" strat, it certainly works against those who find staring at zone geometry boring / have real lives things to do, but please don't tell me you don't engage in this.

[Nirgon]

Lol they logged off at 2:30am, we won. Be on next week guys to be ready to start buffing at 2:45.

[Cast v27.5]

It doesn't matter whether I'm in the minority if I'm right and you're wrong. The staff is more likely to listen to someone who writes a thoughtful post about YT, than the people who call others "fags" whenever they express an opposing view. This thread has already turned into a circle jerk by the supporters of YT, you guys aren't interested in hearing any opinions other than your own.



Dude, as ridiculous as it sounds, it happens. People care less about their coin than they do about their rep. It just creates one more reason for people to run when they're evenly matched (which is already a problem on this server - I'm looking at you FF/holo). Whether you get publicly humiliated when you die is a factor in your decision to run or not. Saying otherwise is just ignoring history (do you honestly think this didn't occur on previous pvp boxes?). History doesn't lie.

Killed this player and have made him plug numerous times, thus when i say his opinion is invalid u listen to my words. Ignore his text walls, hes bad player alert

[Vile]

If anything, making exp not classic would look to have hurt the population based on statistics.

What? lol..

Pop sucks cause XP sucked from the beginning and many players got drained and don't care for the time sink involved. It's that simple.

+ lack of devs... exploiting.. zzzzz list goes on and on.

[gloinz]

Pop sucks cause XP sucked from the beginning and many players got drained and don't care for the time sink involved. It's that simple.

[Cast v27.5]

No bro listen to the guy trying to get his 3 officers unbanned for boxing, he knows what the server needs lol

[Dullah]

2:30? Sure it wasn't 3:30, or 5am.

Every post in last 14 hours out of holo is a confirmed exaggeration or lie. If you guys are running the misinformation/downplay strat on your forum war, it would be expedient to stop making remarks so ridiculous even Founding Fathers has to lol.

Naggy spawned at 9pm, we gathered for an hour, started small skirmishes at that time, within another hour, big battle, followed by immediately downing Naggy shortly thereafter.

[Harrison]

What part of, "Rogean told you guys he is never putting in yellow text." Do you not understand?

[Vile]

Yellow text won't help or hurt the server in anyway... it's that simple.

There are many other things far more important that could help with the server's growth.

[Nirgon]

This message is hidden because Harrison is on your ignore list (http://www.project1999.org/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[bilbobaggins]

vile is a wise man.

[hagard]

Xp loss on pvp deaths is much more inviting for grief than yellow text could ever be.

[Dubee]

What? lol..

Pop sucks cause XP sucked from the beginning and many players got drained and don't care for the time sink involved. It's that simple.

+ lack of devs... exploiting.. zzzzz list goes on and on.

You and Gloinz - sounds like Classic EQ experience is too hard for you guys. This is a thread with a serious issue please don't clog it up.

[herpaderp]

What? lol..

Pop sucks cause XP sucked from the beginning and many players got drained and don't care for the time sink involved. It's that simple.

+ lack of devs... exploiting.. zzzzz list goes on and on.

[hagard]

You and Gloinz - sounds like Classic EQ experience is too hard for you guys. This is a thread with a serious issue please don't clog it up.

Typical response from a blubie who enjoys pve more than pvp

[Dubee]

Typical response from a blubie who enjoys pve more than pvp

I enjoy classic Everquest pvp from lvl 1 newbie zones to raid content. Not that scroll of resurrection insta max level nonsense scrubs want. Try another game, seriously.

[hagard]

I enjoy classic Everquest pvp from lvl 1 newbie zones to raid content. Not that scroll of resurrection insta max level nonsense scrubs want. Try another game, seriously.

Lol as if there is active low lvl pvp. + the way resists are structured it deters anyone from starting as a melee

[Dubee]

Lol as if there is active low lvl pvp. + the way resists are structured it deters anyone from starting as a melee

There's a ton of meeles and people that aren't afraid to play a little classic bro. Man up.

[Vile]

You and Gloinz - sounds like Classic EQ experience is too hard for you guys. This is a thread with a serious issue please don't clog it up.

Classic EQ isn't too hard for anyone -- look at Supreme exploiting Naggy with charmed FGs that don't get hit by Naggy's AOE... omg sooooooo hard.

But seriously, my little brother was grasping EQ when he was 3-4 years old, the PvE aspect is very, very simple.

Most of us are here to to be max level and compete for spawns, gear, and whatever the else fuck is going on. The thing is the PvE aspect is too boring, tedious, and too long of a grind for people with lives.

Those of you that are level 50 with decent gear... please do us all a favor, log in and screenshot your /played so I can thank myself for not wasting 15-20 days played on a box that has absolutely ZERO support (pras Amelinda - don't ban me bro).

[Amuk]

Yeah TBH I levelled a rogue to 50 which was painful, figured I'd shelf him till kunark if the resist system was complete shit - which it was. Solo'd a SK to 40 with 7 days played, sometimes grpd with my pal mustard or the odd grp, but mostly solo - no interaction with ppl, no pvp... just boredom. Hit a wall at 40 and haven't really been logging in.

I don't care if shit gets fixed, or not - but the amount of time required to put in, basically by yourself with this pop is just not worth it.

Same old shit same on the same old threads, people will flame and say everythings perfect even with 70 ppl on.

[Dubee]

Classic EQ isn't too hard for anyone -- look at Supreme exploiting Naggy with charmed FGs that don't get hit by Naggy's AOE... omg sooooooo hard.

But seriously, my little brother was grasping EQ when he was 3-4 years old, the PvE aspect is very, very simple.

Most of us are here to to be max level and compete for spawns, gear, and whatever the else fuck is going on. The thing is the PvE aspect is too boring, tedious, and too long of a grind for people with lives.

Those of you that are level 50 with decent gear... please do us all a favor, log in and screenshot your /played so I can thank myself for not wasting 15-20 days played on a box that has absolutely ZERO support (pras Amelinda - don't ban me bro).

Thanks for a decent answer, but you started spewing dribble at the end because your mad. I liked the part about contesting camps and gear the best. I think we know who won that front.

I am not sure how instant lvl 50 makes the game better tho because
It's almost funner to duo or group pvp in areas like black burrow crushbone south karana and all the other hot exp spots. Maybe because we aren't seeing enough organized pvp on the said loot and mob camps.

[Sirken]

so i have a question for you all that want Yellow Text, and forgive me if this was covered, ill admit i didnt read the whole thread.

assuming that yellow text cant be restricted to certain levels (meaning YT was for players 1-50 or not at all), my question is this; If YT was turned on, and we made a rule against using the YT to spam dumb shit (hello dumb shit like lvl 1s named Chrisbrown and Rihanna; Chrisbrown has beat Rihanna's ass in the ocean of tears), would you all still be ok with yellow text?

<3

[Vile]

Thanks for a decent answer, but you started spewing dribble at the end because your mad. I liked the part about contesting camps and gear the best. I think we know who won that front.

What?? Please formulate a well thought out sentence.



I am not sure how instant lvl 50 makes the game better tho because
It's almost funner to duo or group pvp in areas like black burrow crushbone south karana and all the other hot exp spots. Maybe because we aren't seeing enough organized pvp on the said loot and mob camps.

There is no PvP in any of those zones.

All the population you want, that is lurking the forums, but doesn't want to play.. EQ starts at lvl 50 for them. We've already grinded the boring lvls hundreds of times and it takes too long and it is unrewarding.

I'd much rather log in every night and find some decent PvP and die every time, then grind to 50 on this box. Any day.

[Vile]

YT should be the least of this server's worries.

If anything OOC is much more important and even so... there are way too many outstanding issues that would benefit this server much more than OOC or YT.

[Humerox]

so i have a question for you all that want Yellow Text, and forgive me if this was covered, ill admit i didnt read the whole thread.

assuming that yellow text cant be restricted to certain levels (meaning YT was for players 1-50 or not at all), my question is this; If YT was turned on, and we made a rule against using the YT to spam dumb shit (hello dumb shit like lvl 1s named Chrisbrown and Rihanna; Chrisbrown has beat Rihanna's ass in the ocean of tears), would you all still be ok with yellow text?

<3

As a person who's always been against global ooc and YT...with the simple caveat of not including the zone in the message I'd be OK with it.

It doesn't make a lot of sense not to include global OOC, either. The biggest worry most of us have is people spamming...especially in off hours when there's no one around to enforce anything. Global OOC was included on blue until population warranted it's removal...which - aside from an initial burst of negativity from anti-OOC activists - would also work here.

The primary problem is grouping and obtaining gear...this is something that's essential in finishing out the corrective actions you guys have already taken. I would suggest that abusing OOC would carry the same punishment boxing does.

[Tradesonred]

so i have a question for you all that want Yellow Text, and forgive me if this was covered, ill admit i didnt read the whole thread.

assuming that yellow text cant be restricted to certain levels (meaning YT was for players 1-50 or not at all), my question is this; If YT was turned on, and we made a rule against using the YT to spam dumb shit (hello dumb shit like lvl 1s named Chrisbrown and Rihanna; Chrisbrown has beat Rihanna's ass in the ocean of tears), would you all still be ok with yellow text?

<3

I would if did not show the zone of the kill

Would keep it classic and keep it yellow text

[hagard]

There's a ton of meeles and people that aren't afraid to play a little classic bro. Man up.

wut u talkin about, i rolled a war and have been soloing, but with only about 30mins-1hr of play time a day i will be 50 sometime around june

[Dubee]

As a person who's always been against global ooc and YT...with the simple caveat of not including the zone in the message I'd be OK with it.

It doesn't make a lot of sense not to include global OOC, either. The biggest worry most of us have is people spamming...especially in off hours when there's no one around to enforce anything. Global OOC was included on blue until population warranted it's removal...which - aside from an initial burst of negativity from anti-OOC activists - would also work here.

The primary problem is grouping and obtaining gear...this is something that's essential in finishing out the corrective actions you guys have already taken. I would suggest that abusing OOC would carry the same punishment boxing does.

I like this.

wut u talkin about, i rolled a war and have been soloing, but with only about 30mins-1hr of play time a day i will be 50 sometime around june

grats?

What?? Please formulate a well thought out sentence.




There is no PvP in any of those zones.

All the population you want, that is lurking the forums, but doesn't want to play.. EQ starts at lvl 50 for them. We've already grinded the boring lvls hundreds of times and it takes too long and it is unrewarding.

I'd much rather log in every night and find some decent PvP and die every time, then grind to 50 on this box. Any day.

Looked like three well thought out sentances, what part do you need help with?

No PvP in any of those zones? lol those zones are crackin..

[hagard]

There's a ton of meeles and people that aren't afraid to play a little classic bro. Man up.

[Marglar]

so i have a question for you all that want Yellow Text, and forgive me if this was covered, ill admit i didnt read the whole thread.

assuming that yellow text cant be restricted to certain levels (meaning YT was for players 1-50 or not at all), my question is this; If YT was turned on, and we made a rule against using the YT to spam dumb shit (hello dumb shit like lvl 1s named Chrisbrown and Rihanna; Chrisbrown has beat Rihanna's ass in the ocean of tears), would you all still be ok with yellow text?

<3

I would want it modified so that it does not reveal the zone in which the kill occurred, but I am all for it.

[Harrison]

What part of, "Rogean told you guys he is never putting in yellow text." Do you not understand?

You people are too stupid to read.

[Humerox]

You people are too stupid to read.

Finawin! Rogean isn't stupid...and it may be being reconsidered.

so i have a question for you all that want Yellow Text, and forgive me if this was covered, ill admit i didnt read the whole thread.

assuming that yellow text cant be restricted to certain levels (meaning YT was for players 1-50 or not at all), my question is this; If YT was turned on, and we made a rule against using the YT to spam dumb shit (hello dumb shit like lvl 1s named Chrisbrown and Rihanna; Chrisbrown has beat Rihanna's ass in the ocean of tears), would you all still be ok with yellow text?

<3

[Lazortag]

Killed this player and have made him plug numerous times, thus when i say his opinion is invalid u listen to my words. Ignore his text walls, hes bad player alert

no one cares that you killed someone 4v1

[Dlardlar]

Make it so an act can post 1 time every fifteen minutes on gooc that. Would make it perfect

[Dubee]

Make it so an act can post 1 time every fifteen minutes on gooc that. Would make it perfect

broken engris, but seems like 1 post per 15minutes in global ooc? thats an interesting idea that I havn't seen anyone mention yet...

[Dlardlar]

Third time I mentioned it bkab like my idea 2

[Dullah]

K, so server pop of about 100... about 30+ holo trolls, posting up forum like filth in ooc every 15 minutes, equals no less than 2 retard rants a minute not including lesser lifeforms like Slathar or Cast who will create 8 chars per account just to log one out and the next in to broadcast his shit 8 times every 2 minutes with spam accounts in rotation.

I can't see stuff like global ooc or yt doing anything but making the wonderful world of Norrath a more obnoxious place like these forums filled with idiot trolls whose stated purpose is to bring the server down.

No thanks

[Lulz Sect]

I would give it a trial.

[Nerfbat]

Screw global occ. Let YT do the global talking.

[Lazortag]

I don't even understand why YT without ooc is even being talked about. I still think YT is stupid as hell either way, but if it's implemented it requires global ooc. How else do people explain themselves when they get YT'd? Everyone is just going to jump to the conclusion that whoever died is unskilled, but what if they were zerged, or killed on a CR? How is that person going to ask for help if they're unguilded? This thread shouldn't even exist if global ooc isn't a "sure-thing".

[Nirgon]

Your brother is a saint

[herpaderp]

give up

[Marglar]

I don't even understand why YT without ooc is even being talked about. I still think YT is stupid as hell either way, but if it's implemented it requires global ooc. How else do people explain themselves when they get YT'd? Everyone is just going to jump to the conclusion that whoever died is unskilled, but what if they were zerged, or killed on a CR? How is that person going to ask for help if they're unguilded? This thread shouldn't even exist if global ooc isn't a "sure-thing".

YT requires global OOC so you can explain to the server what is happening? I don't really care what happened at each pvp scenario and wouldn't want to read the server wide back and fourth about it every time, either. some people on this server are batshit insane and I can only imagine their rationale and trolling in ooc after they've died or killed someone.

all I care about for YT is that it makes the server feel more alive so that people can see PvP is happening somewhere, someone was slain, someone got recognition ..who cares about the specifics. leave that to the forums if you feel so inclined to explain why yellow text popped up, it's not that big of a deal .. lol.

[Tradesonred]

How else do people explain themselves when they get YT'd? Everyone is just going to jump to the conclusion that whoever died is unskilled, but what if they were zerged, or killed on a CR? How is that person going to ask for help if they're unguilded? This thread shouldn't even exist if global ooc isn't a "sure-thing".

I dont get this, some people are stupid, so what? They are going to assume whatever they want to assume, yellow text or not.

How is that person going to ask for help if they are unguilded? You mean if there is no yellow text he will be able to ask for help if he is unguilded?

edit: oh ok, i guess it makes sense if you allow location to be shown on a kill

[heartbrand]

75% to 25% in favor of at the very least giving YT a trial period. Let's make this happen folks, server is feeling more dead by the way, this coupled with global ooc really has a shot at upping server pop, and creating some actual PVP.

[Rydar]

75% to 25% in favor of at the very least giving YT a trial period. Let's make this happen folks, server is feeling more dead by the way, this coupled with global ooc really has a shot at upping server pop, and creating some actual PVP.

No , Rogean wisely is against this. Give it up.

No mature players want this, just the forum trolls.

[Zereh]

I have 75! slots left on my in-game ignore list; I support global ooc so that I can fully utilize this feature.

[heartbrand]

No , Rogean wisely is against this. Give it up.

No mature players want this, just the forum trolls.

The fear that the vocal minority hold of one line of yellow text stating a PVP outcome is lolworthy.

By the way, people from all of the guilds voted yes. Hughman / Nerfed / Andis / Fiegi, people across the entire spectrum.

[Humerox]

I have 75! slots left on my in-game ignore list; I support global ooc so that I can fully utilize this feature.

spamming still has huge potential for being a problem. all it takes is one idgit. it isn't hard to work around an ip ban and it takes just a couple minutes to make an emu account.

how would you stop some random IILLIIILLLLIII that wanted to ruin everyone's evening?

I thought hard about WHY I was so anti-global OOC...and it boiled down to the random spamming issue. ignoring regular folks is easy...ignoring the pro-spammer is impossible.

if there's a solid solution for that i'd even say i was PRO global OOC.

maybe they could hard-code that no names with nothing but I's and L's could be made? I dunno...you could still work around that with adding an x to it all...and then you'd have the xxxxxxxx'rs and the ssssssssssssss'rs I guess.

[Ssleeve]

could just filter out the channel totally if you hate the trolls

[Humerox]

cool...but you guys know what i mean. it becomes impossible to read...which doesn't do anybody any good.

you have some poor level 5 that wants a group but has to filter OOC because it's being trolled...

n'uhmean? i was just wondering if anyone had a solution to it

[herpaderp]

The fear that the vocal minority hold of one line of yellow text stating a PVP outcome is lolworthy.

By the way, people from all of the guilds voted yes. Hughman / Nerfed / Andis / Fiegi, people across the entire spectrum.

they dont matter

because i voted no , i know how bad the people are on red and it will perma shit the server , even more then its shitted / dead now bro

same as ooc , bad stuffs

[heartbrand]

ya omgdz activity on a 100 pop server it would spell dooM!!

[Harrison]

Rogean has already told you he is never putting in yellow text.

11 pages of people not getting it.

[Mornin3.0]

Rogean has already told you he is never putting in yellow text.

11 pages of people not getting it.

Us PvP crowd people actually dont want YT.. We are just using reverse psychology on rogean to ensure it is never implemented.. harrison not getting it.

[Cwall]

would consider playing again if yellow text and global ooc were in

[Vohl]

Voted No here. Nothing against Yellow Text itself; I just think there are better priorities for the devs.

[herpaderp]

would consider playing again if yellow text and global ooc were in

consider plugging you mean after you eat a conflag?

never seen anyone talk so much shit then go plug after they ate 1 nuke

i never even actively sought you out for pvp , i wouldnt even nuke you if i saw you

you start with everyone all the time then end up running

so totally hilarious

[Cwall]

consider plugging you mean after you eat a conflag?

never seen anyone talk so much shit then go plug after they ate 1 nuke

i never even actively sought you out for pvp , i wouldnt even nuke you if i saw you

you start with everyone all the time then end up running

so totally hilarious

never plugged against you pal

this is what delusion looks like everyone

[SearyxTZ]

Server would be better with this + global channels. I say this as I'm the only person online in my current zone, with less people online total than the # of the zones in the game.

Yes, it needs these things. Classic EQ felt alive and had channels of 50+ players interacting, seeing eachother/pvp constantly, etc.




I don't think it's really a matter of players getting behind the ideas anymore so much as it is doing whatever is required to get Rogean to actually implement it. Are you guys just assuming that he's reading these poll threads?

I'm all about hands-off with minimal interaction on the forums, but at this extent my best guess is he just isn't really interested in messing with this shit right now.

[Salty]

Yes, YT.

It won the poll, and the rest of you are faggot

[SearyxTZ]

Another friendly bump.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Rogean has told you, point blank, no YT.

You just don't get it, do you?

[SearyxTZ]

Don't care, majority rules. Needs to go in w/ global chat faster exp and non shit resists. Then ship will stop sinking.

[fiegi 2.5]

rogaine is the skipper on da titanic

[HarrisonStillPosting]

This isn't a democracy.

Rogean does what the fuck he wants and you either deal with it or GTFO.

You come to a classic EQ server and cry that it's classic...sounds intelligent.

[fiegi 2.5]

when i "con" someone it asks if my body is ready?

That doesn't seem classic 2 me.

Difference between that and yellow txt is ............. ?

Thought so.

Circle gets the square.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

That is your argument back? An aesthetic change?

Lol no wonder you get roflstomped at your own game by "bluebies"

[heartbrand]

^ said global ooc won't go in, confirmed in IRC global ooc will be going in, has no idea what is happening on server, fat and mad as fuck

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Reported for trolling server chat.

[fiegi 2.5]

I'm not arguing anything, just pointing out a custom feature on a "classic" server, just like global ooc or yellow txt would be a custom feature - interpret it how you wish big or small.

[SearyxTZ]

This isn't a democracy.

Rogean does what the fuck he wants and you either deal with it or GTFO.

You come to a classic EQ server and cry that it's classic...sounds intelligent.

You keep clinging to this classic shit while completely ignoring that 0 people in most zones isn't classic at all. This server literally has less than 10% of the population that a server in 1999 had.

This is the entire reason why the "democracy" is suggesting these things. You can't run a 100 person server pretending that there's 1000+ players on it.


Needs to go in w/ global chat faster exp and non shit resists.

[Truth]

YT winning 76% to 24%

[Not_Kazowi]

XP boost came too late, OOC and YT were never implemented. Server dead and has 0 appeal until at least OOC is thrown in. Truth hurts. Could be a fun server though.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/18340927.jpg

[fiegi 2.5]

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275796/Article/images/15567853/3637724.png

[Rushmore]

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275796/Article/images/15567853/3637724.png

haha

[samimnot]

why isnt harrison ip banned when he is a full time forum shitter i swear this is his career

that and being ginger / getting beat up for acting like this irl

[HarrisonStillPosting]

You can't IP ban anyone.

Stop crying that the server is classic. You knew it was going to be classic when you came here.

[heartbrand]

Very classic. Enjoyed my trip through paineel very much so.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Some minor inconsequential things aren't 100% classic, so we should get wildly retarded whiny cryfests fulfilled because we're terrible at EQ and can't handle it the way it's supposed to be.

[heartbrand]

Mask that gives call of bones to cleric inconsequential. In other news bologna more popular than turkey.

[SearyxTZ]

0 people in Greater Faydark totally classic.

Hey Harrison - VZTZ was more "classic" than this server is. You wanna know why? Because players actually fought, talked trash, and saw eachother once in a while. Just like they did on the Zek servers back in the day (servers you never played on).

Plz just stay banned you bluebie retard.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

VZTZ classic, rofl

Level to 50 in 2 days, items from GMs, pathing exploited in nearly every zone, selos works indoors...rofl, etc.

Your precious shitbox was a massive joke. Don't compare it to superior boxes just because you can't handle classic EQ and got stuck at 33 with increased experience.

[Lazortag]

0 people in Greater Faydark totally classic.

Hey Harrison - VZTZ was more "classic" than this server is. You wanna know why? Because players actually fought, talked trash, and saw eachother once in a while. Just like they did on the Zek servers back in the day (servers you never played on).

Plz just stay banned you bluebie retard.

VZTZ had an even lower population than red99 does at its peak, except when it had 300 (boxed) players for about 2 months, but then again red99 also had well over 300 people (non-boxed) for that amount of time, so this is a weak argument anyway. I find it hard to believe there was more pvp on that server when the only pvp occurred at level 50+, whereas I saw plenty of mid-level pvp on red99.

[Tassador]

Seriously talking now, with YT and Global ooc we will have a 600% increase in population.

take the 9 on at eurotime and multiple that number by 6 thats what we talking about.

[Billbike]

harison and lazor are 100% correct, leave red1999 as is, it is going places, BIG places.

Who cares that VZTZ was more fun, it wasn't "classik"!

If OUR version of "classic" isn't fun enough for the dumb majority population, then LEAVE!

The Majority tells you, Challenge accepted.

PROJECT1999 RED : 104 during primetime LOL

http://blog.joerenken.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Jonestown-EVERYTHING-IS-FINE.jpg

[SearyxTZ]

VZTZ had an even lower population than red99 does at its peak, except when it had 300 (boxed) players for about 2 months, but then again red99 also had well over 300 people (non-boxed) for that amount of time, so this is a weak argument anyway. I find it hard to believe there was more pvp on that server when the only pvp occurred at level 50+, whereas I saw plenty of mid-level pvp on red99.

I played ~120 hours from 1 to 33, the vast majority of which I encountered no one outside of my guild. Spent < 5% of that time in pvp, and it's not like I was ever gunshy about engaging people.


That's classic red? Because that isn't the classic red I remember. This is a straight up blue server solo grind from 1 to 42.

[Dubee]

I played ~120 hours from 1 to 33, the vast majority of which I encountered no one outside of my guild. Spent < 5% of that time in pvp, and it's not like I was ever gunshy about engaging people.


That's classic red? Because that isn't the classic red I remember. This is a straight up blue server solo grind from 1 to 42.

Good times to be had in crushbone and unrest so far, even butcherblock I get to PvP... Not sure what your argument is really about?

[SearyxTZ]

Good times to be had in crushbone and unrest so far, even butcherblock I get to PvP... Not sure what your argument is really about?

I thought it was pretty clear.

I never saw people in-range in GFay or BB. Unrest, maybe. Crushbone, a few newbies during primetime.

Qeynos/WK/BB/Everfrost = nope. You're alone with the grind.

Highkeep/Highpass/EK = usually nobody in zone. Sometimes a small highkeep group.


Don't kid yourself into thinking there's much early or mid level PvP, because there isn't. To even compare it to classic Zek servers which had 15x the population is delusional. There are too many zones and not enough players for them.

[kazroth]

Jesus Christ dude, this is an emulated "PVP" server of a 13 year old game. You're NOT going to have 2000 people playing on it at prime time; every zone will not be filled! Hell, blue has only 600 or so at prime time. If you think about it, that's a 6:1 ratio of bluebie vs. red players. I'm willing to bet live has a much worse ratio.

Also, stop telling us who we're kidding - we're actively playing in lower levels right now and I have PvP'd every single time I have logged in.

[SearyxTZ]

You're NOT going to have 2000 people playing on it at prime time; every zone will not be filled!

I realize this. What you don't seem to acknowledge is that the server needs to be designed around a low population.

I'm glad you are experiencing PvP at your level. Maybe it's better around the Crushbone area since that is the most congested starting area in the game, but that's still not an excuse to put the blinders on and argue that there is active low/mid level pvp on the server. Wait until you've spent more time leveling up to comment on this. Try other races / starting areas.

[kazroth]

You're not gettin' my point, man... 100 player pop, let's say at any time, 5 of those are new characters. How the hell do you plan on promoting pvp amongst those 5 players if they all start in different zones. You are asking for the impossible.

As I said before, I'm not arguing against increased experience, I'm arguing against people coming to this server knowing what to expect, then bitching that's what they actually find... it's a non-argument.

[SearyxTZ]

They didn't have to bitch about it on VZTZ because we designed around it. We knew we could never have the "classic" low and mid level pvp (or pve) experience due to the realistic approximation of server population.

I don't care if they make 42-50 the slowest fucking grind in any MMORPG ever in exchange for speeding up 1-41, but I'd rather see that happen and the players on the server be in range of eachother to pvp. I'd rather spend fifty hours getting through 42 than have to grind shit by myself through the mid levels with no other players around.

[kazroth]

I'm a latecomer here, can you explain to me what VZTZ was, and why it's not still around if it was so perfect? Not trolling here, honest inquiry.

[SearyxTZ]

It wasn't perfect, dude. This server has lots of things that VZTZ didn't have (full database, better hardware, better support, working anti-hack, etc), but VZTZ also had things that this one doesn't have.


After four years (2007 to 2011) I think Keegan was just tired of supporting/running it on his own money and time.

[Rydar]

They already sped up the low level grind by like 100 percent, if that is not enough for you....

try wow

[SearyxTZ]

It's not enough for most red players. Do you think players come here wanting to grind 200+ hours (and ya, it still takes this long) just as an entry fee to PvP?

No. They see PvP in the server name, and they remember the old Zek servers they played on where you could stop at level 20 or 30 if you so desired and spend all of your time just fighting other players. That isn't possible here.

[Billbike]

They already sped up the low level grind by like 100 percent, if that is not enough for you....

try wow
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-swzzA6AEpGE/TlMr-nD5ZrI/AAAAAAAAAxw/a_rVVpjP57A/s640/wonka.jpg

Oh you must be so hardcore.

[Rydar]

It's not enough for most red players. Do you think players come here wanting to grind 200+ hours (and ya, it still takes this long) just as an entry fee to PvP?

No. They see PvP in the server name, and they remember the old Zek servers they played on where you could stop at level 20 or 30 if you so desired and spend all of your time just fighting other players. That isn't possible here.

Try wow on one of their open pvp servers

[Billbike]

Hi rydar, what is YOUR solution to the current state of the server?

[SearyxTZ]

yea WoW is awful and has the most meaningless world PvP of any MMO

[Truth]

yea WoW is awful and has the most meaningless world PvP of any MMO

[Rydar]

Release content at a faster rate. Content is KING. Give us something to fight over. I have zero interset in spending another second in lowerguk fighting with the holozerg over who gets to kill the next ghoul cavalier or whatever other trash drops down there that we all have piled on our mules a mile high.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Kunark and the renewel of the grind up in levels will bring back the world pvp too as we fight over the choice xp camps and item camps. etc.

YT/Global and all that grabage is just that , garbage. Wont keep me logged in at ghoul cavalier. I dont play EQ for a 24/7 live stream of rants and flame.

[Billbike]

So dividing the population of 104 by another 20 zones?

[Rydar]

So dividing the population of 104 by another 20 zones?

Yes, because 100 out of those 104 will soon quit because they have done it all and seen it all.

In game industry terms its called "expansions" and "new content"

I heard it keeps folks playing.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

yea WoW is awful and has the most meaningless world PvP of any MMO

World pvp isn't the only pvp.

Signature accurate again...

[SearyxTZ]

Harrison thinks empty zones and no mid level pvp is classic.


Clearly a red server veteran.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Yellow text isn't going to create mid level pvp, period.

[SearyxTZ]

It will promote it and give players some idea of where pvp is actually happening.


Dumping the exp curve farther into 40-50 will allow players to actually fight and condense people into the same zones. That's a trade most red players will readily accept given that the alternate is to spend 20-40 grinding by yourself. No one gives a shit about that. The blue server exists for that.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Newsflash, leveling is part of Everquest. (Shocking, I know!)

[SearyxTZ]

And active PvP is part of red Everquest. Do you think people came here just to level, bro?

[HarrisonStillPosting]

The problem lies in the population's inability to handle Everquest. Nothing more, nothing less.

You KNEW coming in that this was going to be classic Everquest. You came anyways.

If you left because the grind was too hard for you, that is your problem. The server shouldn't have to adjust to your laughably sad inability to handle classic Everquest. It did anyways, got trolled into increasing xp. Then, all you did was cry harder about retarded shit like YT and global ooc.

Classic EQ isn't for you. Stop trying to bend the server around your badness.

I leveled a paladin to 50 on slower rates than what you're playing with now.

"BUT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PVP HERE!!!"

Wait, didn't you just say there is no mid level pvp? So which is it? Is there mid level pvp or isn't there?

Man the fuck up. Thousands of people leveled in slower rates than you pussies. You just can't handle it, so you raged off.

[Truth]

the grind isnt hard. killing mobs designed to be defeated is so easy i went pro doing it in 5th grade at 10 yrs old 13 yrs ago

the problem is its gay as fuck borderline slave activity everyone has done it 9000x and see no reason to do it again especially with current low pop of server

No one gives a shit about that. The blue server exists for that.

i came here to buttfuck other players. not mobs with low-level symbol-based artificial intelligence, but to act out sociopathic need to hunt the most dangerous creature in existence and brag about it (YT). by poll, im not alone 75% of ppl are with me and i checked the list the rest are confirmed bluebies or trolls so the margin of error is -/- 25%

[Billbike]

Hi harrison, what is YOUR solution for increasing the population?


What can you ADD to this discussion?

I can picture it now.....http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6f73Rpc4kmE/TNGEeDG803I/AAAAAAAAAA4/yhkTbU0-A2w/s1600/wow-nerd-south-park-580.jpg

"exploiters mad at exploiters"
"can't handle classic"
"population sucks"

[HarrisonStillPosting]

The only things that needed to be fixed have been fixed, and even the extraneous bullshit you cried for such as increased xp.

The only real major problem involving this server was guard assist not functioning.

The next big problem(only by comparison, not in reality) is the resists system, and it's better than anything any pvp server has had, so THAT isn't the problem affecting population. The population itself is its own problem.

[fiegi 2.5]

Now that is some impressive 'monday mornin' armchair quarterbacking tbh

[Mornin3.0]

The only things that needed to be fixed have been fixed, and even the extraneous bullshit you cried for such as increased xp.

The only real major problem involving this server was guard assist not functioning.

The next big problem(only by comparison, not in reality) is the resists system, and it's better than anything any pvp server has had, so THAT isn't the problem affecting population. The population itself is its own problem.

Server sounds in tip tops... Why dont you play?

[Humerox]

The only things that needed to be fixed have been fixed, and even the extraneous bullshit you cried for such as increased xp.

The only real major problem involving this server was guard assist not functioning.

The next big problem(only by comparison, not in reality) is the resists system, and it's better than anything any pvp server has had, so THAT isn't the problem affecting population. The population itself is its own problem.

The main problem is the people used to the VZTZ system want to make R99 a VZTZ style box. the "red" advocates never really wanted a classic experience, and they've done everything possible to make this project a convoluted experience for people that truly desire classic.

Had guard assist worked -and epics had not been released on blue at the same time -I really believe we'd have a whole different scenario.

I haven't been logging in lately either. The population problem is just too dismal at this point, but instead of making it VZTZ 6.0 or whatever, more should be done to bring population back. The problem here is that all the devs hear is bitching and the forums are filled with garbage. They don't have the incentive to develop or do more than what they're doing now.

It's a catch-22 situation.

[Billbike]

So your solution to increase the population, is to decrease it?
http://humboldtherald.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/contradiction.png

Seems legit.

[Humerox]

So your solution to increase the population, is to decrease it?
http://humboldtherald.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/contradiction.png

Seems legit.

Strawman but I'll answer. "Not logging in recently" doesn't equate to "quit". I promoted on blue board, on FoH, and on various other boards...brought a few people in but most have already quit...because of low population.

My argument is that something major has to take place. Event after event might work, but the devs don't have the time or the desire (read catch-22) to do anything like that right now.

I appreciate the response and give you the point, but the real argument is much larger.

[samimnot]

Hi rydar, what is YOUR solution to the current state of the server?

mine is unplug it

wipe it

roll it with 10x exp like you should

watch the glory and make movies

touch pickle

win

[samimnot]

borderline slave activity -- best way ive ever heard anyone describe the red99 grind

[Billbike]

Hi Humerox, my response was to harrison, whom I chose NOT to quote.

His theory was that the population itself, was the problem with the server's low population.

Genius rite?

I actually did not have an issue with your post.

[kazroth]

Hi Humerox, my response was to harrison, whom I chose NOT to quote.

His theory was that the population itself, was the problem with the server's low population.

Genius rite?

I actually did not have an issue with your post.

He has a point... time and time again people post how they thought about red, but then looked at the people playing on red. To be honest, the only reason I'm on red is cuz I was in the Navy - in other words, my skin is about as thick as it can get and I can shit talk all of you up and down a pway, no problem.

If people on this server want fresh blood, you don't fucking greet them at the door with a swift kick to the nuts and some shemale porn.

The problem with this server is the population itself.

Also, Humerox, don't stop man, it's people like you that keep the server alive - at least, to folks like me.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

mine is unplug it

wipe it

roll it with 10x exp like you should

watch the glory and make movies

touch pickle

win

This player has been caught exploiting on more than one occasion. His opinions, like a lot of posters here who have done the same, are worthless. Do not listen to Steaks/Cozmonaut/Holobad/Nihilum. They are part of the problem.

The server itself, with guard assist in, decent resists(better than anything previous hands-down), and your whiny request for increased experience is far and away the best server to date.

The problem lies in the "community", wholly.

[Bones]

Strawman but I'll answer. "Not logging in recently" doesn't equate to "quit". I promoted on blue board, on FoH, and on various other boards...brought a few people in but most have already quit...because of low population.

My argument is that something major has to take place. Event after event might work, but the devs don't have the time or the desire (read catch-22) to do anything like that right now.

I appreciate the response and give you the point, but the real argument is much larger.
My man klaatu dumping the wisdom yet again. Though it does make it sound like a wipe would be the easiest solution for the devs to try and breathe some life in to the server (and I'm usually the last person to call for a wipe). It might even get me to roll a char. The only reason I haven't is because of the low population numbers. So yes, catch 22.

[Winni]

My man klaatu dumping the wisdom yet again. Though it does make it sound like a wipe would be the easiest solution for the devs to try and breathe some life in to the server (and I'm usually the last person to call for a wipe). It might even get me to roll a char. The only reason I haven't is because of the low population numbers. So yes, catch 22.

There are people with multiple alts with full lustrous and people with bank fulls of legacy items, I can't imagine they would wipe this considering how some people have put huge time investments in already.

I wouldn't mind it though if it brought a lot of people back :o

[Bones]

There are people with multiple alts with full lustrous and people with bank fulls of legacy items, I can't imagine they would wipe this considering how some people have put huge time investments in already.

I wouldn't mind it though if it brought a lot of people back :o
Yes I know, which is why it's such a tough situation. However, having all those shiny pixels like full lustrous and a bag of manastones on a dead server should take a back seat to solving the population problem and promoting a better pvp atmosphere for everybody. More events and interaction on the server would definitely be the first choice but obviously there is very little of that and no sign of it happening in the future. The easiest option for the staff would be a wipe, or just dropping the server altogether (can't be cheap and I know Rogean doesn't want to pay for it forever so the same 50 people can circle jerk each other all day)

Add: Would like to note that I don't think a wipe will ever happen and am not holding my breath for one. Just a different perspective.

[Dullah]

Wipe wouldn't solve anything.

We'd lose more than we'd ever gain. The people who want to play, are playing. The people who aren't playing either don't want to badly enough, or are waiting for kunark and things like resistances to be fixed.

[Humerox]

Hi Humerox, my response was to harrison, whom I chose NOT to quote.

His theory was that the population itself, was the problem with the server's low population.

Genius rite?

I actually did not have an issue with your post.

Ahhh...guess I'm feeling guilty for not logging in lately, lol. I should correct that soon...

:eek:

My bad... :)

[Billbike]

We have some good ideas in this post.

The glaring issue now is why aren't these ideas being considered.

If they are being considered, why not communicate to the server that our beloved Norrath is not forsaken.

We ALL want this server to grow and prosper.

A transparent, proactive effort.