future of the server FF / Holo / Nihi

[goalie]

heres whats happening:

Nihi blue zerg owns all pixels

FF / Holo kill each other + kill nihi and get killed back

future:

Nihi continues zerging all pixels

FF/Holo continue fighting and occasionally teaming up and accomplishing not much pixelz killing

server dies

hate comes out, ppl come back, nihi zerg continues zerging down pixels while the rest of us hold our dicks in our hands with our pre-planar loots.

Repeat @ kunark

FF/Holo should either merge (yes a bad fucking idea) or perma team up (slighly better idea) to do some big things, or at least merge and dominate the server a bit...we can always break up when kunark or hate comes out...

i duno im just ranting, but my best pal is quitting the game and im tired and feeling like a porch monkey or something.

[goalie]

inb4 this post gets nothing but trolled by the forumquest champs, another reason this server kind of blows camel dicks

but honestly....something has to be done...this nihilum zerg is out of control like...the plague...only fatter

[lululalana]

hoot hoot

[Tradesonred]

It really cracks me up to see all these "hardcores" who all pushed for xp loss in pvp now crying because they cant do shit about a guild having more numbers than them doing raid content and not being able to stop them because of pvp xp loss.

On the other hand, even to this day, you will be called a pussy, a bluebie, "go back to WoW", for wanting to remove xp loss by those same people because it would stop the griefers from griefing people off the server. They will say that pvp xp loss is insignificant, and yet where are they when nihilum raids? Outside waiting for stragglers lol

So basically their lust for lulz is pwning them in the face

The solution is to lessen the impact of pvp deaths so that smaller guilds can actually contest raid mobs instead of trying to contest it on the forum posting tears for the 100th time about zergy Nihilum, at the same time continuing to push for pvp xp loss because they are too short sighted by their apetite for lulz to see how the mechanic fails.

[tehruoh]

Im fucking roflcoptering all the way to the pixel bank every time we (nihilum) get called a "zerg" guild.

How many was it that FF/holo had for a nag attempt (several) and failed? 35 something?

If you guys put all of your energy into being productive instead of just complete fuck ups, you guys might amount to something!

[Zalaerian]

I prefer just killing everyone. Thanks for playing.

[heartbrand]

alliance bad idea, merge good idea. ppl seem to think too many chiefs not enough indians but the nag raid seemed to have no communication issue.

[Angkar]

Its all a moot point when Marv hits 46 and can zone into Planes.

[heartbrand]

very true, very true

[Herb9]

The real truth is neither FF nor Holo have any strength in their leadership.

The officers of Nihilum are the most organized on the server and thusly Nihilum is the most organized clan.

It is not our fault that infighting, egos, and grudges from vztz are holding you back from getting anything done.

[Herb9]

Also, the way the rest of the server is going to get any content, is that new content will be released, and will occupy us.

When Hate comes out, Nihilum will only be going to fear for CT clear, so 6 days a week you noobs will be able to take your turn at the table to farm some planar.

So either get better, and get organized, or just wait and you will get to go after leftovers.

[goalie]

alliance bad idea, merge good idea. ppl seem to think too many chiefs not enough indians but the nag raid seemed to have no communication issue.

I couldn't make the nag raid, but was told that there no one stepped to the plate and took a leader role, and there was very little communication which was why it didn't go smoothly. Again i wasn't there, but this is what a few folks told me when i asked how it went

[Herb9]

I couldn't make the nag raid, but was told that there no one stepped to the plate and took a leader role, and there was very little communication which was why it didn't go smoothly. Again i wasn't there, but this is what a few folks told me when i asked how it went

That's because decent people with leadership skills dont enjoy leading a bunch of degenerate antisocials. Most Holo think they are so amazing at pvp but none of them have the leadership or organization skills to put together any sort of counter to Nihilum's efforts.

So now it will be a waiting game, wait for new content, or wait for someone to gather the intestinal fortitude to lead a bunch of whiney flakes.

[heartbrand]

Communication was fine. Tanking/positioning/fear dispel/healing was perfect, only issue was DPS which a big part of was the fact that the majority of the people there were low level. Also we did not realize you could just charm fire giants on this server and kill nagafen in eight and a half seconds.

[heartbrand]

That's because decent people with leadership skills dont enjoy leading a bunch of degenerate antisocials. Most Holo think they are so amazing at pvp but none of them have the leadership or organization skills to put together any sort of counter to Nihilum's efforts.

So now it will be a waiting game, wait for new content, or wait for someone to gather the intestinal fortitude to lead a bunch of whiney flakes.

The uprising people absorbed such as Tehruoh / Birne / Dagoth, etc., are some of the worst EverQuest players I have ever encountered and are the people that would get guild booted from raids on live after failing audio triggers (even though mobs shout your name in huge yellow text) over and over.

[Herb9]

ppl seem to think too many chiefs not enough indians


The uprising people absorbed such as Tehruoh / Birne / Dagoth, etc., are some of the worst EverQuest players I have ever encountered and are the people that would get guild booted from raids on live after failing audio triggers (even though mobs shout your name in huge yellow text) over and over.

Our indians are greater than your chiefs, apparently we can take the worst players ever and do everything you wish you were doing.

[InfamousTaco]

It really cracks me up to see all these "hardcores" who all pushed for xp loss in pvp now crying because they cant do shit about a guild having more numbers than them doing raid content and not being able to stop them because of pvp xp loss.

On the other hand, even to this day, you will be called a pussy, a bluebie, "go back to WoW", for wanting to remove xp loss by those same people because it would stop the griefers from griefing people off the server. They will say that pvp xp loss is insignificant, and yet where are they when nihilum raids? Outside waiting for stragglers lol

So basically their lust for lulz is pwning them in the face

The solution is to lessen the impact of pvp deaths so that smaller guilds can actually contest raid mobs instead of trying to contest it on the forum posting tears for the 100th time about zergy Nihilum, at the same time continuing to push for pvp xp loss because they are too short sighted by their apetite for lulz to see how the mechanic fails.

Dude.

Who are the fuck ARE you?

I log on every day, and I pvp.

All day errday. You know how many times I die a night? Maybe 1? 3 max?

Thats like 9% exp?

Either roll with a better crew or shut the fuck up no one in the actual game is bitching about pvp exp loss.

[Mornin3.0]

Im fucking roflcoptering all the way to the pixel bank every time we (nihilum) get called a "zerg" guild.

How many was it that FF/holo had for a nag attempt (several) and failed? 35 something?

If you guys put all of your energy into being productive instead of just complete fuck ups, you guys might amount to something!

The idiocy of this statement is astonishing. Nihilums belief they are winning the server because they do bluebie shit is an illusion. If you want to compete on who is the best at slaying dragons go try it on Project 1999. If u wanna win a pvp server stop logging once ur done your clear and you will be hunted.

[hijinks]

well i logged on last night at 1am and there was 1 nihilum on and 8 founding fathers. so i decided to kill the founding fathers for an hour then I went and brushed my teeth and put on my pro-active and put in my night retainer while meddin back to full mana, then I logged off and went to sleep

flossing? afk 2 hrs

pv style

[oldfish]

whats going on here

[Supreme]

The idiocy of this statement is astonishing. Nihilums belief they are winning the server because they do bluebie shit is an illusion. If you want to compete on who is the best at slaying dragons go try it on Project 1999. If u wanna win a pvp server stop logging once ur done your clear and you will be hunted.

To claim that you are "winning" Red99 while not able to compete against an organized force for PVE content is dumb.

[Tradesonred]

Dude.

Who are the fuck ARE you?

I log on every day, and I pvp.

All day errday. You know how many times I die a night? Maybe 1? 3 max?

Thats like 9% exp?

Either roll with a better crew or shut the fuck up no one in the actual game is bitching about pvp exp loss.

LOL im Ecoli. I pvp everyday too.

When youre done mentally pleasuring yourself about how good you are, you can get back at me regarding the points ive made about Holo not zoning in much to contest raids.

Neither did FF, and its not a stab at good/bad they and holo are, its just how things are with the pvp xp loss mechanic. I didnt wanna come in and contest raids 11vs22 when i was in FF either.

[InfamousTaco]

LOL im Ecoli. I get raped because on the only person online after raids everyday too.

Fixed

[Tradesonred]

Fixed


lol raped by who? dont think ive died once beside the big nagafen night since i was with nihi. (On second thought, I think crazycloud and gongshow got me once or twice in Guk...)

God the egos on this server... fuckin angry nerds

[Mornin3.0]

To claim that you are "winning" Red99 while not able to compete against an organized force for PVE content is dumb.

Rather compete PvP.

[jjgerman]

Its not that complex....

I see the same threads, different names everyday


NIHILUM:

Nihilum has 3x the membership of the closest 2nd guild in numbers. That is easy mode by any comparison.

There are a few decent pvp'ers in the guild, probably around 10% of the guild.

Most even pvp fights, Nihilum will lose. We've already seen that many times.


SERVER POPULATION:

As for people that are asshats, it'ts not just one guild or another. There is 130 people that play on this server, and 100 of them are asshats.

Trying to put them all in one guild is hilarious. The server population in general is sad, pathetic etc etc

At this point, it is what it is. The server has one PvE guild that zergs targets, and random shit talkers that 3v1 people.
On a server of 500 + a guild like nihilum woudlnt exsist. So in a way, all of us that play on red have no way to "prove" our awesomeness.

It's ether zerg, or roll a druid.

We all lose at this point.

[hijinks]

man I'd love item looting on this server, more incentive to PvP.. or a harsher PvP xp penalty when you die, more incentive... reality is, pop is low you rarely catch some1 1v1 or even 2v1.. most people are poopsocking in groups whether in solb or lguk very seldomly is there world pvp

miss Rallos, server was survival of the fittest. I remember pking a noobie who left his manastone in his inventory, was good lulz back then.

[hijinks]

Its not that complex....

I see the same threads, different names everyday


NIHILUM:

Nihilum has 3x the membership of the closest 2nd guild in numbers. That is easy mode by any comparison.

There are a few decent pvp'ers in the guild, probably around 10% of the guild.

Most even pvp fights, Nihilum will lose. We've already seen that many times.


SERVER POPULATION:

As for people that are asshats, it'ts not just one guild or another. There is 130 people that play on this server, and 100 of them are asshats.

Trying to put them all in one guild is hilarious. The server population in general is sad, pathetic etc etc

At this point, it is what it is. The server has one PvE guild that zergs targets, and random shit talkers that 3v1 people.
On a server of 500 + a guild like nihilum woudlnt exsist. So in a way, all of us that play on red have no way to "prove" our awesomeness.

It's ether zerg, or roll a druid.

We all lose at this point.

http://ndoubles.com/kilow/sonn.jpg

i would go as far as sayin that FF is pretty damn close to Nihilum in regards to "ACTIVE" members.. Holo not so much.. to say 3x as much just proves your sheep that can't possibly come up with his own opinion and thoughts. Plenty of times lately I have seen either more Holo or FF online than Nihilum. You guys act like we have 30+ people on at all times, it's really funny. Shame on us for having active people who enjoy the game and don't bitch and complain at every corner and come up with a new reason to quit each day.

[oldfish]

man I'd love item looting on this server, more incentive to PvP.. or a harsher PvP xp penalty when you die, more incentive... reality is, pop is low you rarely catch some1 1v1 or even 2v1.. most people are poopsocking in groups whether in solb or lguk very seldomly is there world pvp

miss Rallos, server was survival of the fittest. I remember pking a noobie who left his manastone in his inventory, was good lulz back then.

Harsher pvp xp penalty? You miss Rallos? What are you smoking?

XP penalty benefits the guild with the biggest numbers, they can just crush people with numbers and make them eat xp death till they leave zone, no matter how bad they are. Im not saying Nihilum is bad or not at pvp, just saying this xp loss mechanic is making zergs even more powerful.

There was none of that xp penalty on Rallos, and there was more pvp happening.

[Haul]

The idiocy of this statement is astonishing. Nihilums belief they are winning the server because they do bluebie shit is an illusion. If you want to compete on who is the best at slaying dragons go try it on Project 1999. If u wanna win a pvp server stop logging once ur done your clear and you will be hunted.

He has a speech impediment in ventrilo so wouldn't be suprised if he has learning disabilities to compliment it.

[lethdar]

man I'd love item looting on this server, more incentive to PvP.. or a harsher PvP xp penalty when you die, more incentive... reality is, pop is low you rarely catch some1 1v1 or even 2v1.. most people are poopsocking in groups whether in solb or lguk very seldomly is there world pvp

miss Rallos, server was survival of the fittest. I remember pking a noobie who left his manastone in his inventory, was good lulz back then.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/mmpxlh.jpg

I call it scumbag zergling, enjoy

[Silikten]

Our indians are greater than your chiefs, apparently we can take the worst players ever and do everything you wish you were doing.

Our indians are greater than your chiefs, apparently we can take all the worst players ever and do everything you wish you were doing.

Fixed and don't confuse FF's wish list with your own.

Also, nagafen was fine. It came down to nobody in holocaust respects the officers enough to listen. Half that guild thinks they are officers. Marv and Xantille did a good job trying to run it and we had a few attempts. FF contributed dps/heals/talked over strats. Overall, it was a valid attempt.

Leadership in FF is great. Waffles, you need to stop complaining. You complain about leadership being weak when we call a nagafen raid. Do you realize the irony?

[Tradesonred]

Waffles, you need to stop complaining.

lol id comment but dont wanna turn this thread in RnF, probably too late though.

[Tradesonred]

He has a speech impediment in ventrilo so wouldn't be suprised if he has learning disabilities to compliment it.

suprised, To COMPLIMENT it?

Like oh, thats a mighty fine car you have there sir, what a suprise?

lol

[jjgerman]

http://ndoubles.com/kilow/sonn.jpg

i would go as far as sayin that FF is pretty damn close to Nihilum in regards to "ACTIVE" members.. Holo not so much.. to say 3x as much just proves your sheep that can't possibly come up with his own opinion and thoughts. Plenty of times lately I have seen either more Holo or FF online than Nihilum. You guys act like we have 30+ people on at all times, it's really funny. Shame on us for having active people who enjoy the game and don't bitch and complain at every corner and come up with a new reason to quit each day.

You have 2x the membership of FF, and 3x the 40 + easily.

As for holo, its not even close, u have 3 or 4x the membership.

And if you see more holo or FF on, they probably have 10 members on , and fear is clear, forcing all but 3 nihilum to log out.

Hectorchrist In guk
Troriste semi afk jacking off to his pixels
Supreme having someone else play his toon so he can forum warrior more effeciently.

The important thing to remember is, we all lose, not one net gain of a player in last month.
Keep on doing what ur doing, its working great. All of you.

[goalie]

miss Rallos, server was survival of the fittest. I remember pking a noobie who left his manastone in his inventory, was good lulz back then.

Dude, no way.

Rallos zek was the bluest pvp server possible. Everyone gargled each others nuts except for <The Curse>. If you attacked someone and weren't in this guild you were banished from groups and branded a jerk and a PKEr.

Rallos zek was major carebear action.

[SamwiseRed]

damn fiegi, everytime i see your avatar I cant help but think jersey shore. wru frum?

[XiakenjaTZ]

damn fiegi, everytime i see your avatar I cant help but think jersey shore. wru frum?

I think the guy must have a tape worm.

[goalie]

Leadership in FF is great. Waffles, you need to stop complaining. You complain about leadership being weak when we call a nagafen raid. Do you realize the irony?

Not complaining bro, and i have never ever said the leadership was weak in FF. What i said was that from what i heard there wasn't a proper leader for those nag attempts. I wasn't able to be there - so i'm just going but what many have told me, which may or may not be accurate.

This thread was to try and see if we could come together with Holo and run shit. If you wanna talk about anything like that tho feel free to PM me or get me in game if i'm on, not here thx

[Mornin3.0]

He has a speech impediment in ventrilo so wouldn't be suprised if he has learning disabilities to compliment it.

LOL

[Herb9]

Fixed and don't confuse FF's wish list with your own.

Also, nagafen was fine. It came down to nobody in holocaust respects the officers enough to listen. Half that guild thinks they are officers. Marv and Xantille did a good job trying to run it and we had a few attempts. FF contributed dps/heals/talked over strats. Overall, it was a valid attempt.

Leadership in FF is great. Waffles, you need to stop complaining. You complain about leadership being weak when we call a nagafen raid. Do you realize the irony?

FF aint so bad, but the leadership isn't in place to do any actual raiding yet. Your numbers are pretty large, about 2/3 of Nihilum on a given night. You have more active west coasters imo because you have a larger pop deep into the night than any other clan.

Holo is just a grouping of a few cliques that can barely stand each other but will group up at night. Merging with them for FF would be a mistake.

FF should wait for Holo to fall apart, which it will soon, and pick up their better behaved members.

[Ssleeve]

FF aint so bad, but the leadership isn't in place to do any actual raiding yet. Your numbers are pretty large, about 2/3 of Nihilum on a given night. You have more active west coasters imo because you have a larger pop deep into the night than any other clan.

Holo is just a grouping of a few cliques that can barely stand each other but will group up at night. Merging with them for FF would be a mistake.

FF should wait for Holo to fall apart, which it will soon, and pick up their better behaved members.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/mmpxlh.jpg

[Tradesonred]

Troriste has about 70 days played on red, and god knows how much on blue prolly around 400 to adopt those leet dragon strats.


I dare you to ask Smallmee, Shocker, Casey to take a screenshot of their /played

I will bet you 1k right now that smallmee has /played more than Troriste

no?

Thats what i thought

lol

[lethdar]

confirming tradesonred is on crack, no way any of those people come close to tror's playtime.

[Herb9]

No, it's really not that at all.

For all the trolling and whining here, the truth is Nihilum has raided with no more than 30 for at least the last 10 days. FF + Holo fielded 35+ for 3 nagy attempts.

The numbers aren't anywhere near as disparate as claimed, that is a crutch for your poor play and poor organization. Keep repeating it so your addled brain thinks its true, but if you had the sack to zone into fear last night, solb 2 nights ago, you'd see the forces we are using to raid are far from overwhelming.

So yes, your leadership is poor, you are unable to rally your members from early on that you've lost, you are unable to keep people interested, and you don't have the sack to come after Nihilum raids more than once a month.

I wish you guys would compete; I really do, you are just terrible and loathe each other too much to work together, so you've given up trying in game and now you are looking for GM's to fix your problems.

Emumu, Troriste, Fallen, Hughman, Nerfed, Skelly, are all BETTER players than the officers of Holocaust. I've seen both sides with my own eyes, played with both sides, these guys are flat out better at EQ than your guys.

[InfamousTaco]

Brags about not dying in PvP.

Never seen him in game.

[Tradesonred]

are you fucking crazy

troriste has been on 14 hours a day since the server started

Casey doesnt even play, dont know much about shocker but didnt really see him in game until last month

smallmee didnt even start playing much until i hit level 40 in january

when did you even start your character?

someone get this guy a clue

You want a clue?

How about Smallmee is there when i log on in the evening, there when i log off late at night, there when i log back the next day, on and on.

Shocker lives in Lguk, i bet he plays with a little nemo frog suit on that looks like this http://www.disneycostumeideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/frog-prince-baby-costume-princess-and-the-frog.jpg for immersion

[SamwiseRed]

No, it's really not that at all.

For all the trolling and whining here, the truth is Nihilum has raided with no more than 30 for at least the last 10 days. FF + Holo fielded 35+ for 3 nagy attempts.

The numbers aren't anywhere near as disparate as claimed, that is a crutch for your poor play and poor organization. Keep repeating it so your addled brain thinks its true, but if you had the sack to zone into fear last night, solb 2 nights ago, you'd see the forces we are using to raid are far from overwhelming.

So yes, your leadership is poor, you are unable to rally your members from early on that you've lost, you are unable to keep people interested, and you don't have the sack to come after Nihilum raids more than once a month.

I wish you guys would compete; I really do, you are just terrible and loathe each other too much to work together, so you've given up trying in game and now you are looking for GM's to fix your problems.

Emumu, Troriste, Fallen, Hughman, Nerfed, Skelly, are all BETTER players than the officers of Holocaust. I've seen both sides with my own eyes, played with both sides, these guys are flat out better at EQ than your guys.

PvPers not doing as well as bluebies in pve. I would have never guessed. Imagine going to a pvp server with the intention to do harm only to find out that the top guild is known for their pve exploits and rmt rather than their ability to pvp.

[Herb9]

Brags about not dying in PvP.

Never seen him in game.

Pretty sure you're either Saidin or Shocker, Saidin has multiple deaths to me and no kills, Shocker has 6 deaths to me and no kills. Check the sig.

You were saying?

[hijinks]

http://oi41.tinypic.com/mmpxlh.jpg

I call it scumbag zergling, enjoy

g1, ive smoked very holocaust ive come across check sig..

the supposed good ones, quit as soon as they realized they had competition.. i call it the bully syndrome, once u stand up to a bully they fall over

thx for blowing up that SS, such a cute gnome... almost as cute as the one I had on live that won a 1v1 tournament. ironic isnt it, a nihilum member winning a 1v1 tourney on 30x the pop of this server. ya'll need to get your head out ur asses and stop thinking ur the only ones on this server that can pvp, a tag means absolutely nothing.

[lethdar]

O man nice collection, in the 3+ months since I quit you've managed to nearly match the number of kills i had on nihilum in the 2 days after i hit 50.

[hijinks]

Such is the life of an enchanter, if you're getting killshots over druids and wizards in ur guild then they have a problem... besides, you have more targets.. dunno what ya'll r bitching about.. for a 'PvP' first guild, u guys bitch a lot about having more targets to kill than anybody else that plays lol

don't bother with all this pvp forum talk, cu in game.. or will i?

[SearyxTZ]

The real truth is neither FF nor Holo have any strength in their leadership.

The officers of Nihilum are the most organized on the server and thusly Nihilum is the most organized clan.

It is not our fault that infighting, egos, and grudges from vztz are holding you back from getting anything done.



They aren't helping by shooting themselves in the foot with griefing.

Cast bindcamped me this morning when I went AFK briefly (having been the only person in the zone for three hours). I don't even really care personally, but from a political standpoint it's really really stupid. I'm glad my guild doesn't have these kind of massive retards sabotaging its own progress.

[Ssleeve]

FF aint so bad, but the leadership isn't in place to do any actual raiding yet. Your numbers are pretty large, about 2/3 of Nihilum on a given night. .

http://oi42.tinypic.com/fx5reo.jpg

Don't think I've ever seen 30 FF in one zone.

[hijinks]

They aren't helping by shooting themselves in the foot with griefing.

Cast bindcamped me this morning when I went AFK briefly (having been the only person in the zone for three hours). I don't even really care personally, but from a political standpoint it's really really stupid. I'm glad my guild doesn't have these kind of massive retards sabotaging its own progress.

Are u in FF? They don't care, any alliance will be strictly for THEIR benefit, and once they cannot benefit no longer, they will drop you like sack of shit.

If FF gets their leadership in order they can present a size-able opponent to Nihilum progression wise. Or, you can go the route you think is easy and end up falling behind even further. I'm pretty confident people like FriedChicken have little interest in allying, but the weaker minded ones like Andis probably think it's a good idea... bottom line is it won't fly when you have people like Illi and Slathar in that guild, they're a cancer and will tear apart anything that has any potential

[SearyxTZ]

I attack literally everyone (players can vouch for this, big Sear's axe is already covered in blood) but I don't bind camp people. That isn't "a fight". It's just pure nerd grief.

[nerfed]

You guys stayed up until 3am wiping to a dragon. Clearly don't care pixels.

[Hughman]

You guys stayed up until 3am wiping to a dragon. Clearly don't care pixels.

[Herb9]

Oh the deflection skill is high in this one, this ain't his first rodeo.

[prince 7th edition]

as an ex vztzer chiming in, i refuse 2 take anyones opinion seriously who calls hughman "good" at everquest pvp

[Hughman]

as an ex vztzer chiming in, i refuse 2 take anyones opinion seriously who calls hughman "good" at everquest pvp

lol prince mad, don't even think we ever fought you just want to participate in the circle jerk.

[prince 7th edition]

slew hughman (overgeared, best 1v1 class in game) 1v1 many a time. its nothing personal pal, eq pvp just aint ur thing.


ss avail

[Hughman]

I must be special if you keep years old screenshots of me, let them loose.

[prince 7th edition]

"special" aka never wiped HD of 5 year old macbook with broken fan

[prince 7th edition]

haha Poopsocks <Nihilum>


HOW IRONIC

[Salty]

Poopsocks = Skorge.

I like him a lot, but clearly he made a retarded move joining the blue faggot guild

[loserofgame]

If it is correct that Nihilum only raids with a max count of 30(~27 or so on average?) lately, then they've bled out numbers significantly from a couple months ago, when they could field 40+ players regularly.

Holocaust has also bled out members. Founding Fathers has gained members, but the peak population(lately) of both Holo and FF is about the same(both guilds cap out at 20 members, about 2/3rds of which is planes level, so 13-14ish each, and the average peak online is usually ~13 total, so 10 each).

This would make the combined strength in numbers of Holo+FF at peak to be roughly equivalent to the strength of Nihilum at peak, numbers wise.

Just wanted to clear up the exaggerations that Nihilum has 3x the numbers of either guild(it's 2.1x or so), or that FF has 2/3rds of the numbers of Nihilum(it's more like 1/2).

The current guild balance is not optimal, but it's not as outright broken as it was in the months previous where Nihilum had a 2:1 advantage over Holo and an even bigger advantage versus FF, who weren't even max level a couple months ago save for a few members. So you could say that the situation has improved slightly in terms of(strictly player numbers) balance, lately.

(The numbers balanced out a lot more nicely before the majority of Uprising merged with Nihilum, but, shit happens.)

There's a lot of other factors besides numbers, but since that's the big one discussed...

Edit: This is just how the numbers look as of this week. They'll probably change more as the server rolls along, recruits are picked up, people in smaller guilds get absorbed, etc.

[heartbrand]

If it is correct that Nihilum only raids with a max count of 30(~27 or so on average?) lately, then they've bled out numbers significantly from a couple months ago, when they could field 40+ players regularly.

Holocaust has also bled out members. Founding Fathers has gained members, but the peak population(lately) of both Holo and FF is about the same(both guilds cap out at 20 members, about 2/3rds of which is planes level, so 13-14ish each, and the average peak online is usually ~13 total, so 10 each).

This would make the combined strength in numbers of Holo+FF at peak to be roughly equivalent to the strength of Nihilum at peak, numbers wise.

Just wanted to clear up the exaggerations that Nihilum has 3x the numbers of either guild(it's 2.1x or so), or that FF has 2/3rds of the numbers of Nihilum(it's more like 1/2).

The current guild balance is not optimal, but it's not as outright broken as it was in the months previous where Nihilum had a 2:1 advantage over Holo and an even bigger advantage versus FF, who weren't even max level a couple months ago save for a few members. So you could say that the situation has improved slightly in terms of(strictly player numbers) balance, lately.

(The numbers balanced out a lot more nicely before the majority of Uprising merged with Nihilum, but, shit happens.)

There's a lot of other factors besides numbers, but since that's the big one discussed...


I have a PHd in advanced EQ Zone Geometry, not math, gtfo with all those numbers

[prince 7th edition]

If it is correct that Nihilum only raids with a max count of 30(~27 or so on average?) lately, then they've bled out numbers significantly from a couple months ago, when they could field 40+ players regularly.

Holocaust has also bled out members. Founding Fathers has gained members, but the peak population(lately) of both Holo and FF is about the same(both guilds cap out at 20 members, about 2/3rds of which is planes level, so 13-14ish each, and the average peak online is usually ~13 total, so 10 each).

This would make the combined strength in numbers of Holo+FF at peak to be roughly equivalent to the strength of Nihilum at peak, numbers wise.

Just wanted to clear up the exaggerations that Nihilum has 3x the numbers of either guild(it's 2.1x or so), or that FF has 2/3rds of the numbers of Nihilum(it's more like 1/2).

The current guild balance is not optimal, but it's not as outright broken as it was in the months previous where Nihilum had a 2:1 advantage over Holo and an even bigger advantage versus FF, who weren't even max level a couple months ago save for a few members. So you could say that the situation has improved slightly in terms of(strictly player numbers) balance, lately.

(The numbers balanced out a lot more nicely before the majority of Uprising merged with Nihilum, but, shit happens.)

There's a lot of other factors besides numbers, but since that's the big one discussed...

Edit: This is just how the numbers look as of this week. They'll probably change more as the server rolls along, recruits are picked up, people in smaller guilds get absorbed, etc.



ur a nerd

[loserofgame]

I have a PHd in advanced EQ Zone Geometry, not math, gtfo with all those numbers

Don't worry. If this was RnF I wouldn't post math, I'd just skip to a .gif of DIDNT READ LOL at myself.

But since people are trying to have small bits of a serious discussion, I figured I'd throw in some better numbers.

Edit:

ur a nerd

Ya I am. I play EQ, therefore must = nerd. And, I use my nerd powers for good, not for evil.

[Harrison]

http://oi41.tinypic.com/mmpxlh.jpg

I call it scumbag zergling, enjoy

Lethdar banned for cheating, right? Where does he get the audacity to talk to anyone about anything?

[Rydar]

You guys stayed up until 3am wiping to a dragon. Clearly don't care pixels.

Good point

[Gongshow]

I've tried to stay out of this garbage thread but quite honestly it's becoming nonsense so I will throw my two cents to HELP clear things up.

This is not a troll, take advantage of my seriousness. A bit about Holocaust, the server, etc.:

Holocaust came into this server release with the best roster on paper that you could ask for of any EQ pvp server, live or emu. We came in cocky and rightfully so. As time progressed and people leveled, we inevitable lost a few members to the grind. When we had about a group approaching 40+, Lovely and other hardcore grinders were 50, trying to throw out their own form of griefing. This is how Nihilum was formed. Every 47+ on the server at one point formed Nihilum. Nacho, Emumu, Lovely, Troriste, Skelly, Hugeman, Jerrin, Silver, Nerfed, etc. Apologies if I missed someone.

This really did not phase us, as we continued to level up as if there were no competition on the server. I'd say about 50% of our players hit 50 that we had came in with, 25% quit at this point, and 25% were still on the way to 50.

We had plenty of skirmishes that we won quite frequently, I'm sure we lost a few but I can't really remember that many. Nihilum kept growing in numbers and eventually bagged Naggy. We cockblocked them a week or two later, stole their strat, and downed it ourselves. At this time our guilds were still neck and neck, despite being outnumbered roughly 2:1 by Nihilum. Once more people start hitting 50, Nihilum continues recruiting even to the point of absorbing Spear of the Nation and Uprising (which could've potentially been in high end competition scene if they had a spine.) The following week, we boot Nihilum out of SolB again, proceed to kill Naggy - BAM. 2 week guild wide ban for Holocaust. That was essentially the death blow to our guild. Trolls will say "Oh, keep your members in line", "Oh, don't exploit, you deserved it.". While I may agree partially with those statements, the punishment was absolutely absurd. The dragon is obviously broken and it was known from Blue. Nihilum players knew this strat, which is where we got it from. We essentially eat a ban for playing within the games allowed mechanics (Hello, GMs?).

Since that two week ban, we have never recovered. Simply put. We lost 75% of our members, most of our leadership, most of our desire to play. That was a terrible judgement call set forth by GMs who are/were completely out of touch with the ebb and flow of the community.

When the ban was lifted, we found ourselves with a small roster, missing many of our key players. We swallowed our pride and tried our hand at recruiting some decent players - not to match the zerg numbers, but to give us at least 1:2 odds again. No dice. We still sit around 15 players max to Nihilums 30+. Fear was then released, only compounding on the issue. Props to Nihilum, they have a roster that is made up of about 70% of the active 50 community, and at any given time they make up about 25 to 30% of the population online. They love pixels, and are getting them. Congrats. Had Holocaust mass invited anyone with a pulse, and Nihilum tried to keep a sense of camaraderie and pride, I bet the tables would be reversed. Unfortunately we enjoy competition and PVP so we did our best to try to keep that in tact. I guess that was just our fatal strategic mistake. I would rather log into a Vent with 15 cool pals than one with 50 randoms drooling over pixels. To each their own though.

Anyways... this post is written with a defeatist attitude, however that is not the case. Some of us will go down with this ship. The ship being the server. On live, on VZTZ, skill played part in PVP fights. Casters had to run around and use levitate and ledges to hide and nuke, not just spam root and burn someone in one cast. CCing someone with root and snare was almost non existent in the high end PVP scene. Well geared melees in a bard group could chainsaw 10 people before they even caught resistance. Holocaust/Heresy was always extremely good because we played the PVP game well. We assisted better than everyone, we assist healed better than everyone, our PVP awareness was better than everyone. I still stand by those comments. However not many of us care to play on a server where melees are somewhat useless, resists are somewhat useless, and pure numbers win 100% of the time. This is why you see less Holocaust and less players on the server in general. Not because of XP loss on PVP, or because you guys have killed raid mobs before us. Quite honestly we do not care. We are never the first to 50, the first to kill dragons, the first to be fully geared. We're content with coming up at our own pace and using our skill to take over. Unfortunately this server was a carbon copy of Blue, with GMs not fit for keeping the Red community and play style in order. Our skill is rendered useless to a system that allows root nets to be utterly game breaking due to MR being useless.

This server quite simply has been neglected from release. GM's non existent and/or clueless. Waffling on patches, waffling on rules. Punishments dished out, setting precedents, and then those very precedents are completely destroyed with the next ban. Someone trains, gets 3 days. Someone else trains, gets 10. Someone exploits IP exemptions, gets a warning. Non legit loot is still in game months later. Blue Diamonds are still in game 3 months later. Global OOC never was given a chance. Resists still broken. From my personal experience, half the time GM's have no clue what other GM's even said on certain subjects.

Population sits sub 100 right now most of the time unless Nihilum is batphoning for a raid mob (then maybe 120 online). It's safe to say that this server is on the way down. Can it make a recovery? Sure it can. But I wouldn't expect to see results until big changes and transparency come into play. Why should the players care about this, and invest time, when the GM's simply have given up? And if they haven't given up, they've done a damn good job of convincing the community they have.

If that is too long, don't read it. Whatever.

Commence the troll thread.

[oldfish]

The following week, we boot Nihilum out of SolB again, proceed to kill Naggy - BAM. 2 week guild wide ban for Holocaust. That was essentially the death blow to our guild. Trolls will say "Oh, keep your members in line", "Oh, don't exploit, you deserved it.". While I may agree partially with those statements, the punishment was absolutely absurd. The dragon is obviously broken and it was known from Blue. Nihilum players knew this strat, which is where we got it from. We essentially eat a ban for playing within the games allowed mechanics (Hello, GMs?).


Trolls will say? --> "Dont exploit you deserve it" <--- While I may agree?

Thats really a silly ass excuse. Thats like a kid getting caught cheating at a test and whining "BUT HE DID IT TOO?!?"

Almost as funny as "More lucky than exploit" but not quite.

[Pitborn]

WTS 50 Necro.

get dat.

[Gongshow]

Trolls will say? --> "Dont exploit you deserve it" <--- While I may agree?

Thats really a silly ass excuse. Thats like a kid getting caught cheating at a test and whining "BUT HE DID IT TOO?!?"

Almost as funny as "More lucky than exploit" but not quite.

FYI - EXP loss has 0 bearing on why this server has taken a dive. Give up the dream.

PS, when I say 0 I mean absolutely freaking ZERO.

[loserofgame]

(super long post, but great read)

+1

I agree with you that there's been a high level of neglect on the server from the people who are in positions to make the necessary changes(Amelinda/Sirken are certainly active, but the person the server needs is Rogean, who is inactive). This is a pretty common occurrence on private servers across many games, as well as small-market F2P games: developer attention wanes, and a lot of small problems turn into bigger ones via neglect. This doesn't make the game unplayable, but it does have a negative effect on player confidence, and(among other reasons) has resulted in the server's lack of population growth.

You raise a number of good points in your post, and I can understand where your defeatist attitude comes from. I'm also encouraged to read that some of you are in for the long haul, however long or short that may be.

I don't agree with everything you said, but you said it well. Props.

[nerfed]

The uprising members didn't join until after you guys were unbanned. Before that we had mid to low 20's at raids. When you guys came back from the ban you allied with uprising to block us from naggy and then failed to kill it. The next day most of the uprising members that had app'ed previously were invited. It was either zerg or be zerged. Most have since quit and our raid size is back in the mid 20's which is what you need to kill CT.

[heartbrand]

Uprising merger was the tipping point of this server. It looked like there was going to be some awesome competition, potentially a three way guild battle between returning holo / uprising / nihilum, and then it just turned into a one guild zerg fest. Killed the server imo. Those who want PVP can't really find it, will quit, those who are here for blue99 without poopsocking will quit once they, and their thirteen alts all have full planar gear and nothing to do except brag about items that are meaningless because charmed pets do 95% of the work on this server.

[Harrison]

R
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Since that two week ban, we have never recovered. Simply put. We lost 75% of our members, most of our leadership, most of our desire to play. That was a terrible judgement call set forth by GMs who are/were completely out of touch with the ebb and flow of the community.

This faggot cheats, admits to it, and then says the punishment was a terrible judgement call?

Get the fuck out of here, all of you.

[Gongshow]

FYI I wasn't online for that and knew nothing of it. I've never been warned or banned on this server and my only suspension in all of EQ Emu was on VZTZ for bindcamping.

I am the definition of white knight.

Thanks for reading though.

[nerfed]

Emu's the white knight.

[Harrison]

Claiming "I wasn't there." doesn't cut it when you guys know for a fact you would have just kept playing with the cheaters anyways.

Don't pretend it was some rogue element of your guild running wild without your knowledge.

[Gongshow]

Gongshow, a true white knight and hero of the server.

[Tradesonred]

of course your guild is not going to quit because of xp loss, they post pictures of lulz we deleveled this afk guy for 4 hours, they thrive on that shit.

Im talking about non sociopathic people.

[Dacuk]

There will be no merger between FF & Holo. maybe alliance at times if it makes sense, and some members defecting to join the others, but that merger will not happen. guild philosophies are too different. (i.e. scumbag griefing)

Some valid points brought up by many here by Loserofgame, Gongshow,etc (and Hijinks too for that matter even though he normally rages too much to make sense). Good input to the thread. Gongshow you're post is somewhat depressing and spot on which makes me sad :(

[Silikten]

Yeah, Hijinks spot on with the no-merge concept. It will never happen or at least you won't find me with that tag. There is a huge difference between the red players in each guild. We coined the lable "this server is blue vs red vs red" because FF and Holo are completely different styles of pvp.

As for gongshow's post. Well, how about next time you don't exploit? It is your fault, completely. Don't try to blame GMs, Nihilum, or whoever. You guys chose to exploit and got owned. As hard as you tried to play the four year old card and point fingers and say "they did it tooooo," you never accepted responsibility. Cheaters get punished. Period. Good riddance to your "best roster" which would of got owned anyways. You had maybe 8 good pvpers and 29 mouth breathers.

[Vile]

i heard dey splotin' naggy with some blue bugs

[Gongshow]

We've accepted responsibility but the punishments were not equally distributed and in turn started the destruction of the server. I believe THAT is what angers me the most. Was it wrong? Yep. Was it done 3x prior with no action? Yep. For all we know, that is how Naggy has been killed for years on blue. We just don't know, and only Blues would know. The blame goes further than us, sorry to say.

As far as getting all uppity about a "merge".. meh. No one in our guild wants to deal with FF leaders/"Jersey Crew" and it has been established. FF and Holo do not like each other, and that is fine, more PVP on a dying server is never a bad thing. Allying to try to take down the mass zerg once or twice really does not warrant all this talk of a merge anyway.

This is getting way sidetracked though so everyone go back and re-read my novel, it's prophetic.

[Harrison]

For all we know, that is how Naggy has been killed for years on blue. We just don't know, and only Blues would know. The blame goes further than us, sorry to say.

ROFL now you're trying to say you didn't know you were exploiting it? You are so bad it's disgusting.

[Gongshow]

Like I said, I wasn't there but hiding around a corner to avoid AE/Fear on all but tank doesn't seem like much of an exploit. Sounds like logical positioning that has been used in EQ for years.

[heartbrand]

no one ever got banned for something like that on live so it's also not classic

[Mornin3.0]

Good riddance to your "best roster" which would of got owned anyways.

You have a few victories here or there but lets be honest... Your squad gets worked consistently by holocaust's "third string"(your quote).

[Harrison]

no one ever got banned for something like that on live so it's also not classic

False. Confirmed didn't play live.

[Amuk]

I've skipped the thread, main holo players are all top notch - I also like Fried and the FF crew, although limited experience with em. If it were up to me we'd just merge and shit on Nihilum - but people on both sides wouldn't agree to that, and it probably would ruin a lot of the little fun that people are on here.

Calling a naggy raid with no enchanters over 40, a main tank who's 49, clerics who are undergeared and not even 50 etc - we did it for fun, most holo officers wern't on and it was after sitting on a pile of about 12 nihilum corpses for about 40 mins before saying fuck it lets try.

Don't care about all the dick waving, had a lot of fun that night and would do it again anytime FF pals =)

[heartbrand]

I've skipped the thread, main holo players are all top notch - I also like Fried and the FF crew, although limited experience with em. If it were up to me we'd just merge and shit on Nihilum - but people on both sides wouldn't agree to that, and it probably would ruin a lot of the little fun that people are on here.

Calling a naggy raid with no enchanters over 40, a main tank who's 49, clerics who are undergeared and not even 50 etc - we did it for fun, most holo officers wern't on and it was after sitting on a pile of about 12 nihilum corpses for about 40 mins before saying fuck it lets try.

Don't care about all the dick waving, had a lot of fun that night and would do it again anytime FF pals =)

pretty much this

[hagard]

Enjoy talking to yourself Harrison? 97% of forum readers have u on ignore

[taakyn]

If holo FF merged and we actually played rather than log on do a quick pvp run in Solb or guk then log off it'd be pretty nasty for nihilum. Will never happen though

[Lazortag]

Like I said, I wasn't there but hiding around a corner to avoid AE/Fear on all but tank doesn't seem like much of an exploit. Sounds like logical positioning that has been used in EQ for years.

This isn't what Holo was banned for. You're allowed to LOS the ae's. Christ some of you are stupid, I really hope no one in Holo plans on ever reproducing.

no one ever got banned for something like that on live so it's also not classic

See above.


There will be no merger between FF & Holo. maybe alliance at times if it makes sense, and some members defecting to join the others, but that merger will not happen. guild philosophies are too different. (i.e. scumbag griefing)

FF is formed mostly of dickheads from Los Banditos and Blood Money (both griefing guilds), and you guys pretty much admitted that your ventrilo/guild chat is filled with homophobic, racist trash. To say that FF doesn't grief is laughable, one reason I KOS them (along with racism I mentioned above) is because of the large griefing population in the guild - if your rules of engagement have somehow changed then please make a public post explaining that you have renounced griefing so that I might stop dirtnapping your members every time I see them. Until then, no one wearing your tag is safe from my wrath.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/ff.jpg

Of course FF doesn't grief, right? ;)

[Gongshow]

Cue Wolfram corpse screenshots.

[Lazortag]

Cue Wolfram corpse screenshots.

Which would disprove nothing in the above post. I still can't believe Holo is trying to look innocent about that Naggy kill. "Oh, we just hid behind walls to LOS the ae's, nothing wrong with that". Yeah, bullshit - there is no way you can kill Naggy with only eight level 50's*, even by having the rest of the raid LOS the ae's. You guys couldn't even kill him with over 30 people when you teamed up with FF. What kind of propaganda must your leadership feed you that you think Holo's "exploitation" consisted of just hiding behind corners? Incredible.

*evidence: http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=5139970
1 Keto (34)[1383] Holocaust 50 Paladin 18:24:55 0 18:45:27 1232 0 7307 43749
2 Stasis (6)[1385] Holocaust 49 Rogue 18:29:04 249 18:45:27 983 0 11975 23150
3 Kringe's Pet (skel_pet_37_) (624)[1398] Holocaust 37 Warrior 18:29:17 262 18:45:27 970 219 8511 11026
4 Kringe (93)[1376] Holocaust 50 Necromancer 18:29:17 262 18:45:27 970 219 0 1548
5 Smallmee's Pet (sonic_bat) (32042)[1276] Holocaust 38 Warrior 18:35:54 659 18:41:34 340 175 11723 14537
6 Smallmee (5518)[1397] Holocaust 50 Druid 18:35:54 659 18:45:27 573 175 253 15970
7 Huff (17)[1379] Holocaust 50 Druid 18:36:38 703 18:45:27 529 224 312 2370
8 Lethdar (136)[1406] Holocaust 47 Enchanter 18:37:42 767 18:45:27 465 0 0 0
9 Huff's Pet (sonic_bat) (32042)[1276] Holocaust 38 Warrior 18:42:02 1027 18:45:27 205 219 9092 11912
10 Xantille (67)[1335] Holocaust 50 Monk 18:44:13 1158 18:45:27 74 0 933 2123
11 Selena (185)[1411] Holocaust 50 Cleric 18:44:44 1189 18:45:27 43 0 0 82

(There are 8 non-pet entities in the logs, far fewer than is needed for a Naggy kill in classic)

[heartbrand]

Calls holo out for exploiting naggy. Belongs to nihilum who exploited naggy.

[Gongshow]

Like I said, I wasn't there. The only Naggy attempt I was at was prior to Holo getting 2-week'd where we took it to 5% with 19 people and then wiped due to whatever braindead move we pulled.

You really need to stop fighting the good fight Wolfram. The only cred you'll have is when you de-tag and go back to Blue unfortunately. Until then you're hovering around Harrison status.

[Lazortag]

Like I said, I wasn't there. The only Naggy attempt I was at was prior to Holo getting 2-week'd where we took it to 5% with 19 people and then wiped due to whatever braindead move we pulled.

So if you're not there, don't try to express an opinion on something you know nothing about?:


Like I said, I wasn't there but hiding around a corner to avoid AE/Fear on all but tank doesn't seem like much of an exploit. Sounds like logical positioning that has been used in EQ for years.

From this post, it sounds like you were implying that Holo got banned *only* for LOSing the ae's. Which means that either you're a liar, or your leadership lies about what happened. Which is it?

[Supreme]

http://i.qkme.me/352imd.jpg

[Gongshow]

I think Holo was suspended for the "more lucky than exploit" method (c) Troriste of Naggy, though with GM's around here, you never know! Heh heh heh.

Also curious as to who you think Holocaust "leadership" is. You sound silly when you talk.

[Gongshow]

Also, don't imply that I'm implying anything.

[Gongshow]

Also going to bed. I don't have the luxury of unemployment.

Not implying anything though. Just a general statement.

Night, pals.

[prince 7th edition]

tink got beat up by his girlfriend ss avail

[taakyn]

Prince still butthurt from 1.0 that epic geared prince got shit smeared all over him 1 v 1 vs big taak with wurmslayer yall

[Dubee]

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/cigarette/Newport.jpg

Nihilum Either Winnin' Pimpin' Or Runnin' Thangs

[jeffd]

i don't think anyone in holo cares enough about this server to merge with FF, honestly. for the most part, all of us came to this server for the pvp - not for thrill of clearing fear for the 5000th time. nihilum's idea of fun is logging in just long enough to slay some dragons, and gating/logging immediately after. and that's cool - more power to them. our idea of fun is clashing with FF as frequently as possible and hanging out on a vent with a small handful of pals that don't breathe hard and fog up their glasses over the thought of downing CT.

take tonight, for example. we had the numbers on to hit fear, and instead we ported around fighting with FF all over antonica - because most of us stopped giving a shit about lustrous russet when we were 15. and why merge to do blue shit on a red server, when the trade-off would be absorbing the only other group on the server that actually came here to pvp?

also, i heard brotherhood and some other mid-level guild have been clashing a lot recently, so hopefully the wave of new players currently duking it out in the midlevel bracket will make it to 50 and freshen up the scene a bit, because right now at 50 it's just FF vs Holo and Nihil vs Pixels.

[Titanuk]

i like mustard, he makes valid points

[Dubee]

i don't think anyone in holo cares enough about this server to merge with FF, honestly. for the most part, all of us came to this server for the pvp - not for thrill of clearing fear for the 5000th time. nihilum's idea of fun is logging in just long enough to slay some dragons, and gating/logging immediately after. and that's cool - more power to them. our idea of fun is clashing with FF as frequently as possible and hanging out on a vent with a small handful of pals that don't breathe hard and fog up their glasses over the thought of downing CT.

take tonight, for example. we had the numbers on to hit fear, and instead we ported around fighting with FF all over antonica - because most of us stopped giving a shit about lustrous russet when we were 15. and why merge to do blue shit on a red server, when the trade-off would be absorbing the only other group on the server that actually came here to pvp?

also, i heard brotherhood and some other mid-level guild have been clashing a lot recently, so hopefully the wave of new players currently duking it out in the midlevel bracket will make it to 50 and freshen up the scene a bit, because right now at 50 it's just FF vs Holo and Nihil vs Pixels.

confirmed port bot who i gave exp zone advice to and he thought SK was no good cus too much pvp

[jeffd]

confirmed port bot who i gave exp zone advice to and he thought SK was no good cus too much pvp

iirc, you said something about charming in sk being great exp, and i disagreed. feel free to invent whatever you want surrounding that five-sentence conversation we had, though.

anyway, good luck hunting down all my posts on the boards, which is what you seem to be doing. off to bed - cya!

[Dacuk]

Lazortag you are so clueless I'm not gonna even address your points, just gonna provide this gem for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQzeuQvwIg




FF is formed mostly of dickheads from Los Banditos and Blood Money (both griefing guilds), and you guys pretty much admitted that your ventrilo/guild chat is filled with homophobic, racist trash. To say that FF doesn't grief is laughable, one reason I KOS them (along with racism I mentioned above) is because of the large griefing population in the guild - if your rules of engagement have somehow changed then please make a public post explaining that you have renounced griefing so that I might stop dirtnapping your members every time I see them. Until then, no one wearing your tag is safe from my wrath.

[SearyxTZ]

Everquest serious business.



<Tallon Zek> is now recruiting experienced serious PvE raid gamers

We are a DKP guild currently raiding high-end kunark content



Warm Regards,
Sear

[Silikten]

Wolfram is the one bard worst than Illi :(. Actually, no, Illi gets rolled by 42 mages I heard so he definitely takes the Worst Player Award, below Mellowyellow.

[Silikten]

take tonight, for example. we had the numbers on to hit fear, and instead we ported around fighting with FF all over antonica - because most of us stopped giving a shit about lustrous russet when we were 15. and why merge to do blue shit on a red server, when the trade-off would be absorbing the only other group on the server that actually came here to pvp?.

You guys ported around zerging our low 40s and still got rolled most of the time. It was fun indeed bud. It's going to be hilarious when more than 6 of us are 45+.

[Lazortag]

Wolfram is the one bard worst than Illi :(. Actually, no, Illi gets rolled by 42 mages I heard so he definitely takes the Worst Player Award, below Mellowyellow.

If I'm the "worst bard", and I frequently kill your guildies, how bad does that make your guildies?

[tehruoh]

The uprising people absorbed such as Tehruoh / Birne / Dagoth, etc., are some of the worst EverQuest players I have ever encountered and are the people that would get guild booted from raids on live after failing audio triggers (even though mobs shout your name in huge yellow text) over and over.

actually i raided all the way up to seeds of destruction in a raid guild, on bristlebane :P

And yeah im still learning to play a tank, ive never done it before in my entire eq career. I was always a monk or a shaman.

Dagoth and Birne though? dude those guys are the bomb you just mad.


YOU JUST MAD. luls.

[Labanen]

nihilum never had 40 regularly. And wtf is up with this shit that pixels dont matter on a red server ? If anything they matter more once you earned it defending or overtaking a spot to get them instead of just sitting in line like on blue.

Good post by Gongshow, few points we ll never agree on of course...

[SamwiseRed]

Brotherhood, mount up!

[heartbrand]

actually i raided all the way up to seeds of destruction in a raid guild, on bristlebane :P

And yeah im still learning to play a tank, ive never done it before in my entire eq career. I was always a monk or a shaman.

Dagoth and Birne though? dude those guys are the bomb you just mad.


YOU JUST MAD. luls.

You just proved my point, SoD was the easiest candy land raid expansion in the history of EQ. You didn't stick around for Underfoot which was the hardest raid expansion, fuck all around expansion, since Gates of Discord.

[SamwiseRed]

FF and Holo battling all over antonica, I fuckin love it. Ignore the mouth breathers (Nilly) they just here for loots and rmt. I hope both guilds get bigger and do not merge.

[Supreme]

You just proved my point, SoD was the easiest candy land raid expansion in the history of EQ. You didn't stick around for Underfoot which was the hardest raid expansion, fuck all around expansion, since Gates of Discord.

You mean [Gates of Discord, ∞) right?

Because GoD was pure crap after PoP was such a success.

[heartbrand]

You mean [Gates of Discord, ∞) right?

Because GoD was pure crap after PoP was such a success.

Not surprising to see Supreme disliking GoD, the best expansion in the history of EQ, because it was too difficult. I loved how you got your ass handed to you in the first zone of GoD, and how it only got worse. I loved how you had to use invis again, walk carefully through zones, got assraped by those fucking dog things at bard selo speed. I loved how they finally were able to add scripts to raids. GoD was awesome.

[Supreme]

Not surprising to see Supreme disliking GoD, the best expansion in the history of EQ, because it was too difficult. I loved how you got your ass handed to you in the first zone of GoD, and how it only got worse. I loved how you had to use invis again, walk carefully through zones, got assraped by those fucking dog things at bard selo speed. I loved how they finally were able to add scripts to raids. GoD was awesome.

Disliking GoD because it was too difficult?

LULZ.

I was in Crimson Tempest when GoD came out. Difficulty had NOTHING to do with it. The entire system of progression was nothing more than buy this expansion to grind A into B to achieve C. While placing an unnecessary choke point (Uqua) to stifle all but the most hardcore.

Being in CT we got through everything in a couple months with the exception of Tacvi Final boss.

Issues with GoD included lack of focus on the progression (IE you had to have EVERYONE keyed then it was changed to you only need ONE person keyed) followed by changes in raid content (after the high end guilds already had to grind through it). There was not enough testing and as a whole did not inspire the same feeling of "Everquest" the majority of players had enjoyed.

You can read more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest:_Gates_of_Discord).


You sound like one of those that got into late GoD AFTER they actually listened to high end raid guilds concern about the bugs/content and made corrections.

[SearyxTZ]

EQ past Velious was shit - this is confirmed fact. No big Brad, no Everquest.



Take the 15 expansion bluebie talk elsewhere pls. It wasn't even the same game after Luclin ruined it.

[Salty]

PoP was pretty cool.

But i agree, GoD was total ass. It was difficult because the level cap was suppose to be increased, but they saved it for OOW

[hagard]

Salty where is your and allorias victory box fuck this poopsock99

[Salty]

Read my sig

[Salty]

Big rogean has allo's info as big allo told rogean whatsup.

All on them really if they want a pvp server that people will actually play

[hagard]

Just host some shitbox I'll take anything over poopsockfaggotfest99

[hagard]

I mean this server rox

[Salty]

Null has source but he is hording it

[hagard]

That cunt

[Supreme]

Guys should go make a pure PVP box with global OOC, Leaderboards, item loot, Boxing, hacking and other douchery.

I bet it would be WAY more successful than Red99...

OH WAIT!

RIP VZTZ.

[HarrisonStillPosting]

Just host some shitbox I'll take anything over poopsockfaggotfest99

Feel free to leave then, faggots.

[hagard]

Guys should go make a pure PVP box with global OOC, Leaderboards, item loot, Boxing

exactly what I'm saying

[hagard]

Because this is clearly a reincarnation of blue99 with less players

[Supreme]

You guys had a box...remember?

Now you bitch because the PVP server is not turning out how you wanted...

So quit or stfu and deal with it.

[hagard]

Already quit you angry fuk

[Supreme]

Already quit you angry fuk

WHOSE MAD?

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/899170/81469672.jpg

[hagard]

Unlike you I can't poopsock this game, maybe 10 years ago. This server deters casual players who have a life outside the computer room

[hagard]

Nah I'm chillen on the beach in costa rica on my iPad clearly not mad

[HarrisonStillPosting]

That is the same excuse every shitty player has used in every game since online gaming came about.

"YOU PLAY MORE THAN I DO UR A VIRGIN WHO DOESNT GO OUTSIDE"

You're just fucking bad. Admit it.

[Supreme]

Unlike you I can't poopsock this game, maybe 10 years ago. This server deters casual players who have a life outside the computer room

So you used to poopsock..but now you cant...so..

YEAH

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/899170/81469672.jpg

[Labanen]

to get to 50 from launch to now doesnt excactly require you to throw away your life outside EQ, its been months. if you wanted to do it in weeks like the top dogs on the server, then maybe. But by now everyone who wanted to get to 50 could be there if they started on launch.

[Chanur]

Fixed


If you are going to try and quote edit people at least make it legible you fucking mongoloid.