<global OOC> guild

[Palemoon]

There we go, the perfect solution to all those saying we need global /ooc "for the noobs so they dont feel alone".

Amelinda is making a guild called <global OOC> for all those players to join. Finaly this will silience all the trolls who are useing that smokescreen of "helping the noobs" to bring their forum warring in game with a /ooc channel.

Well done Amelinda, I support this new guild. It will help save the rest of us from 24/7 rants and flames in game.

to the global /ooc proponents: no more legs to stand on, "the noobs" have their global ooc guild to join for groups/community, etc.

[mostbitter]

I guess this is a step in the right direction even if it doesn't appeal to people who want ooc for the sense of a community and are already guilded. I guess.

[Palemoon]

terrible

am i being trolled

No, this is real life.

I thought you would be happy, the newbs wont have to run from zone to zone lfg anymore, they can all be in the guild <global OOC> with a simple petition as per MOTD.

Rejoice.

You still have RnF on the forums at least.

[Ssleeve]

How about global /ooc for people who aren't newbs just to have more then a couple people in guild to talk to for shits and giggles?

It will help save the rest of us from 24/7 rants and flames in game.

But I guess since you're too dumb to figure out how to turn off chat filters we can't have that.

[Ssleeve]

Appreciate the thought though guides trying to help, but if they do have <global OOC> as a guild it should be automatic at char creation.

Some newbs aren't going to petition and what not.

[mostbitter]

Hey guys I just wanted to let you all know that when you asked for milk I heard you. Here is some cheese.

[heartbrand]

typical response to this server, players ask for X, gms give Y

[lululalana]

what a retarded idea

[Harrison]

typical response to this server, players ask for X, gms give Y

Players ask for retarded shit and they get a compromise that makes sense logically, then trolls cry about it.

[loserofgame]

There we go, the perfect solution to all those saying we need global /ooc "for the noobs so they dont feel alone".

Amelinda is making a guild called <global OOC> for all those players to join. Finaly this will silience all the trolls who are useing that smokescreen of "helping the noobs" to bring their forum warring in game with a /ooc channel.

Well done Amelinda, I support this new guild. It will help save the rest of us from 24/7 rants and flames in game.

to the global /ooc proponents: no more legs to stand on, "the noobs" have their global ooc guild to join for groups/community, etc.

Well, this is an unusual solution. Have to admit that, if it's serious, it's kind of neat and I admire the creativity.

I see two major problems with this, however:

1) As earlier stated, unless joining this 'Global OOC' guild is automatic upon character creation, new players may not be able to use this function. This also includes the times when /petitions are not answered(GM's are not robots, and are not available at all hours). This could be fixed, if it's possible to code it so that all new characters join Global OOC by default.

2) Small groups of players who start on the server often enjoy making guilds so that they may play together under their own, unique banner. Some recent examples from red99:

-Tallon Zek
-Meow
-Toof Spittaz
-The Ancient Mariners

Players in these small, new guilds would be unable to make use of the "Global OOC", as they are not in the "Global OOC" guild, even though they are newer players and may benefit from global ooc chat in general. I don't know of a proper workaround for this issue.

Like you, Arzak, I am not a proponent of global OOC. I also recognize that there are inherent downsides to the issue: for example, if the forums are this polluted with trolling/flaming, how then, would a 'forum-like' channel be any better on a server with dynamic chat(that is even harder to police) as opposed to static chat such as here?

That said, I don't feel like the solution you have presented here is adequate. I would rather wish to see the effects of a trial run of global ooc on the server, and if it is TOO terrible, then it can be removed.

[Ssleeve]

if the forums are this polluted with trolling/flaming, how then, would a 'forum-like' channel be any better on a server with dynamic chat(that is even harder to police) as opposed to static chat such as here?

You can easily turn off global /ooc or any chat channel through filters if you don't like seeing it because of "flaming or trolling" it's a voluntary action.

[lululalana]

this idea is like a poster child example of how to take a good idea, remove any possible benefit, and pretend like you are doing something helpful

[loserofgame]

You can easily turn off global /ooc or any chat channel through filters i you don't like seeing it because of "flaming or trolling" it's a voluntary action.

I agree. I was just expressing the kind of argument that would be put forth against global channels.

The counter-point to your counter-point, according to the previous debate(as made by players such as Zyrin) is that, if global ooc is used to reveal player locations, or other such information, then one doesn't have to be a part of global ooc to be affected by it, as such channels can be used against a player who is not even listening to the channel. By that reasoning, players would have to tune in to global ooc to determine if their location was being exposed publicly.

I don't really agree with that point(this IS a PvP server, and there should be inherent dangers, global ooc or no global ooc), but that's the argument that was made.

[Harrison]

You know how difficult it is to /ignore someone whose name is Illlilililililllilillililliili who is spamming nonstop for hours?

This was a massive problem with global ooc on P99 blue.

You are fucking retarded if you think this won't happen here.

[hagard]

Lol a+ idea.. Wait no it's not.
Not classic pls remove

[jeffd]

this idea is like a poster child example of how to take a good idea, remove any possible benefit, and pretend like you are doing something helpful

honestly, at this point, i wouldn't even bother. i spent a long time helping new players in the hopes they'd stick around, but the real problem is that even when a massive majority of the playerbase asks for something (e.g. yellow text, global 1-30 chat channel) to promote a growing population, it gets turned down by devs that don't even play on this server. the fact that rogean peaced to play swtor, and posts on the FOH boards more than he does on his own servers' forums, speaks volumes.

this server will limp along as it is now, slowly bleeding off players until gw2 is out - after that, i won't care what happens to it anyway.

[Ssleeve]

I'm mad at global ooc

It's really easy to just ignore the channel if it bothers you mouth-breathing idiot.

[Dullah]

Sounds familiar.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=542635#post542635

[Lovely Icecomet]

LETS ALL JOIN THIS GUILD!!!


GIEV ME OPS PLEASE

http://izismile.com/img/img3/20100809/640/amazing_watermelon_carvings_640_67.jpg

[Salem Orchid]

Great idea Amelinda, your support is greatly appreciated! I know you are trying to get ooc in (which I'm indifferent too), cool to see you doing the most you can for us, thanks!

[SamwiseRed]

nice lol, i was thinking about making a Global OOC guild back in the day
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=542638&postcount=342

[NotFilthed]

i dont get it? whats a guildname have to do with global ooc?

[karsten]

i like the idea in terms of trying to think outside the box with limited choices at her disposal, so although it's not real global ooc it's at least something, I LIKE IT PALS, I LIKE IT

[Amelinda]

You know how difficult it is to /ignore someone whose name is Illlilililililllilillililliili who is spamming nonstop for hours?

This was a massive problem with global ooc on P99 blue.

You are fucking retarded if you think this won't happen here.

harrison. please don't call names in server chat

[Amelinda]

terrible

am i being trolled
No. Chuck, after our heart to heart - i'm kind of offended at your response. I do the best with what i'm given. I do not have the ability to turn global OOC on. That is an Admin thing. ALSO this is not my server even though I am the GM. I did take this to rogean again last night but as of yet he has not responded to it.

Appreciate the thought though <del>guides</del> GM's trying to help, but if they do have <global OOC> as a guild it should be automatic at char creation.

Some newbs aren't going to petition and what not.

1. I am a GM, not a guide TYVM.
2. I don't have any way to make it automatic.
3. if someone doesn't petition and proceeds to cry that no one bothers to try and do anything to help the server they can kiss my ass.


Hey guys I just wanted to let you all know that when you asked for milk I heard you. Here is some cheese.

Nope. More like "I heard you when you said you wanted milk. We are out of milk right now and daddy has the car so you will have to settle for water until I can get in contact with him and have him bring us some milk."

typical response to this server, players ask for X, gms give Y

Heartbrand. seriously. shut up. I do the best I can and if you don't like my best then you can either GTFO or quit your bitching that my best isn't good enough. I can only do so much.

will there be a button for me to press to automatically to join <GLOBAL OOC> when i want to use GLOBAL OOC, or do i have to petition and wait for a GM everytime i would like to use GLOBAL OOC

No chuck. you'd have to petition. quit trolling.

what a retarded idea

prince - shut the fuck up. you don't even play here. "Gee Amelinda. i'll behave. let me in IRC, by the way you are a really dumb bitch."

Well, this is an unusual solution. Have to admit that, if it's serious, it's kind of neat and I admire the creativity.

I see two major problems with this, however:

1) As earlier stated, unless joining this 'Global OOC' guild is automatic upon character creation, new players may not be able to use this function. This also includes the times when /petitions are not answered(GM's are not robots, and are not available at all hours). This could be fixed, if it's possible to code it so that all new characters join Global OOC by default.

2) Small groups of players who start on the server often enjoy making guilds so that they may play together under their own, unique banner. Some recent examples from red99:

-Tallon Zek
-Meow
-Toof Spittaz
-The Ancient Mariners

Players in these small, new guilds would be unable to make use of the "Global OOC", as they are not in the "Global OOC" guild, even though they are newer players and may benefit from global ooc chat in general. I don't know of a proper workaround for this issue.

Like you, Arzak, I am not a proponent of global OOC. I also recognize that there are inherent downsides to the issue: for example, if the forums are this polluted with trolling/flaming, how then, would a 'forum-like' channel be any better on a server with dynamic chat(that is even harder to police) as opposed to static chat such as here?

That said, I don't feel like the solution you have presented here is adequate. I would rather wish to see the effects of a trial run of global ooc on the server, and if it is TOO terrible, then it can be removed.

I have to work with what I am given. I don't have unlimited free reign on this server. I am the GM but this is still Rogean's server. I can't make a major change like implementing global OOC but I did my very best and provided unguilded people with a way to talk to other people.

If you want to talk in the guild or use it to find groups then make a level 1 and petition to join it.

Is this a perfect solution? no. but it's the best one i have for now.

this idea is like a poster child example of how to take a good idea, remove any possible benefit, and pretend like you are doing something helpful

Prince - you are like the poster child for someone who pretends to be human but really is devoid of all human emotion. if you don't like my ideas and don't like the way i solve problems then get the fuck out.

Lol a+ idea.. Wait no it's not.
Not classic pls remove

I don't know you but i'll still say - if you don't like the way i solve problems then you can either have a constructive instantly implementable (BY ME) option or quit your bitching.

Great idea Amelinda, your support is greatly appreciated! I know you are trying to get ooc in (which I'm indifferent too), cool to see you doing the most you can for us, thanks!

Thank you, and you are very welcome. <3

i dont get it? whats a guildname have to do with global ooc?

I created a guild for people to join so they could communicate with each other. this is my "poor man's solution to global OOC"

i like the idea in terms of trying to think outside the box with limited choices at her disposal, so although it's not real global ooc it's at least something, I LIKE IT PALS, I LIKE IT

Thank you Karsten <3

[SamwiseRed]

I am gonna join this guild and do big thangz. <Global OOC> will have Lguk on farm status in 2 weeks. We dont need ops or lead, we shall overcome all obstacles set before us.

[karsten]

frankly I dont understand why you didnt just take the guildname <Blacks> and use that for the global ooc amirite

[Xantille]

prince - shut the fuck up. you don't even play here. "Gee Amelinda. i'll behave. let me in IRC, by the way you are a really dumb bitch."





I don't know why I thought this was so funny.

[Barkingturtle]

Global ooc is a zerging zerg.

[SearyxTZ]

Put this in the right context before bashing Amelinda. She is trying to solve a problem with limited means available.

That should be respected, but I'll be candid on the idea itself: it would cause more trouble than it's worth (and more than global OOC/auction, I think). I'm not going to get into the fine details of why. Start with the concept of a guild being very different than just letting people communicate, and it would only cover a small subset of the playerbase. Players will still be asking for global channels when the pop is < 300-400.

This is besides the point though. We don't need to come up with complicated partial solutions to what could be a 5 minute change. And we don't need to spend hours talking about problems that apply to any chat on the internet (What if they troll it?!?), before those problems even exist and when those problems have easy solutions already anyway (/ignore and filtering are easy enough). After the initial handful of spammers got smashed with the banhammer, the tone would be set and there wouldn't be much moderation required.

There is a big elephant in the room that should be acknowledged: Rogean needs to water his plant (let's say it's an ugly cactus) or at least let everyone know if he doesn't plan on doing so. Specifically, the other people who are spending tons of their time dumping fertilizer onto it trying to keep it healthy (this would be Sirken, Amelinda, etc). And yes, I know that analogy is awful. It may be fair to the red players because we truly are a bunch of assholes, but it's not fair to them.

I think he created this server as a philanthropic act to give red players a home, but not because he has any sort of passion for this type of EQ server (old school RZ/TZ/VZ/SZ). He didn't play on those servers. I cannot really blame him for not wanting to touch this server since red is a different beast with an unappealing player demographic, but give the reins to Null if that is the case. Let someone who cares do that kind of work. Then we can appreciate Rogean forever for putting this server up, while he isn't held accountable for doing all the other shit.

This poll was put up in January
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62364
It has a 65% vote in favor of something (72% with neutrals), on an issue that has been brought up constantly for the past five months on this forum.

The "why have you quit?" thread, as gloomy as that is
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68211
Has a substantial chunk voted for "lack of GM communication", and the other various votes (features, lack of staff, etc) are connected to what could be addressed by the main developer of the server. Not Amelinda, Sirken, etc. They are just the ones eating shit for it because they're actually here.

Regardless of what Harrison constantly trolls here with, not all (or even most) players are making these threads just because they are trolls or ungrateful scumbags. These are players on the server who want to make it better and providing that feedback. This is the majority of your playerbase. That developer/player relationship is crucial, even if it is just an occasional "I'm listening" reminder. I'm tired of getting asked by my guildmates "if Rogean cares". I don't know if he does, and it's honestly not my problem to solve. I can't set up a candy trail leading from his Star Wars cantina to this server and hire a bunch of strippers in Leia cosplay to make him want to spend time here.



















































.... or maybe I could

http://images.wikia.com/darth/images/a/ab/BillyDee.jpg

[lululalana]

Amelinda, a couple things.

1- i DO play on this joke of a server, just because I don't have time to play 12 hours a day like most people doesn't mean I dont at all.
2- although i'm way too lazy to make searyx-esque tl;dr posts, the point behind my two posts in this thread stands. a "global ooc" guild removes a huge portion of whats helpful about global ooc. Let's say random newbie 005 sees red 99 on the server list, thinks it looks cool, and makes a toon. Great! Now they are a level 1 elf in empty gfay, with no one to talk to and no resources wrt to the server. Unless people are auto-joining this guild, it doesn't really solve the problem at all. In general, anyone who is active on the forums/irc will find people to play with regardless. However, i would venture to say that a large portion of new players/people trying out the server aren't active on the forums. Thus, not only do they not have people to play with, but they also know literally nothing about this guild.

Happy?

[lululalana]

also unban me from irc good lord

[Amelinda]

Amelinda, a couple things.

1- i DO play on this joke of a server, just because I don't have time to play 12 hours a day like most people doesn't mean I dont at all.
2- although i'm way too lazy to make searyx-esque tl;dr posts, the point behind my two posts in this thread stands. a "global ooc" guild removes a huge portion of whats helpful about global ooc. Let's say random newbie 005 sees red 99 on the server list, thinks it looks cool, and makes a toon. Great! Now they are a level 1 elf in empty gfay, with no one to talk to and no resources wrt to the server. Unless people are auto-joining this guild, it doesn't really solve the problem at all. In general, anyone who is active on the forums/irc will find people to play with regardless. However, i would venture to say that a large portion of new players/people trying out the server aren't active on the forums. Thus, not only do they not have people to play with, but they also know literally nothing about this guild.

Happy?

This is literally the most articulate thing i have ever seen Prince post.

You people are missing a very important point here: I am not a server admin. I do not have access to turn on global OOC. Even if I do have access to turn it on...I don't have permission to turn it on. This server is owned by Rogean. Nilbog is another Admin. I am not.

I am here day after day, busting my ass to help the players, to take care of shit for the server and trying to help encourage people to play. I called Sirken and sweet talked him into coming back. I go to rogean over and over to get answers. I take care of getting rid of RMTers etc. have spent hours with nilbog pulling trade logs. I do my best and then all some of you can do is sit there on your high horses and cry a fucking river because "Amelinda won't turn on global OOC" "GM's don't care" or whatever else.

When you make posts talking shit about me or lack of GM attention it is Quite honestly a big fat slap in the face and is very insulting to me and the time i spend GMing here. It is insulting to Sirken and the time he spends guiding here.

I feel very similarly when a select few of you march your sillyness into IRC and start talking shit about me. It's insulting, uncalled for and it's doubtful i'm going to tolerate it anymore.

SO prince: To answer your post...
I have no way to make them auto-join this guild. I updated the MOTD so it's there when they sign in. I have no way to do more than i've done.

either say thank you or keep silent. but don't fucking criticize me for doing my best to meet people halfway until I can get in touch with Rogean.

[tehruoh]

you do rock tho amelinda dont let these trolls get you down.

[SearyxTZ]

Amelinda is awesome. I think she is in a crappy situation because Rogean does not seem to give a fuck atm and he has the drivers keys.

[Truth]

Amelinda is awesome.

[Dullah]

Chat filters for global ooc wont fix the disadvantage you put yourself at by turning it off.

[Haul]

Players ask for retarded shit and they get a compromise that makes sense logically, then trolls cry about it.

Logical compromise? Dude it's a terrible idea lol. Fortunately for me I stopped playing because D3 will be out soon.

[hijinks]

Amelinda

See if devs can code it so any level 1 new character automatically is guilded in GLOBAL OOC< will help.

[Angkar]

Logical compromise? Dude it's a terrible idea lol. Fortunately for me I stopped playing because D3 will be out soon.

Or, you got banned.

[Haul]

This is literally the most articulate thing i have ever seen Prince post.

You people are missing a very important point here: I am not a server admin. I do not have access to turn on global OOC. Even if I do have access to turn it on...I don't have permission to turn it on. This server is owned by Rogean. Nilbog is another Admin. I am not.

I am here day after day, busting my ass to help the players, to take care of shit for the server and trying to help encourage people to play. I called Sirken and sweet talked him into coming back. I go to rogean over and over to get answers. I take care of getting rid of RMTers etc. have spent hours with nilbog pulling trade logs. I do my best and then all some of you can do is sit there on your high horses and cry a fucking river because "Amelinda won't turn on global OOC" "GM's don't care" or whatever else.

When you make posts talking shit about me or lack of GM attention it is Quite honestly a big fat slap in the face and is very insulting to me and the time i spend GMing here. It is insulting to Sirken and the time he spends guiding here.

I feel very similarly when a select few of you march your sillyness into IRC and start talking shit about me. It's insulting, uncalled for and it's doubtful i'm going to tolerate it anymore.

SO prince: To answer your post...
I have no way to make them auto-join this guild. I updated the MOTD so it's there when they sign in. I have no way to do more than i've done.

either say thank you or keep silent. but don't fucking criticize me for doing my best to meet people halfway until I can get in touch with Rogean.

No offense Amelinda you're a great person irl, but this isn't what GMing and promoting server health is about. None of that shit mattered on live. The server is incredibly unclassic and over policed in many regards, not just RMT. GM inteference is absurdly high. I honestly can't see why you even want to stick around because you have a nice family who is more deserving of your time, the server population is incredibly self-invested and immature, and no one appreciates what you do whether it be good or bad for the server (most of which is bad imho, EQ live was about little to no GM intervention, while this server is smothered in GM intervention).

[Herb9]

The server is incredibly unclassic and over policed in many regards, not just RMT. GM inteference is absurdly high.......... the server population is incredibly self-invested and immature............... (most of which is bad imho, EQ live was about little to no GM intervention, while this server is smothered in GM intervention).

Read between the brown nose part and all's left is QQ I wish I wasn't banned for RMT.

[zixxer]

Chat filters for global ooc wont fix the disadvantage you put yourself at by turning it off.

Let me get this straight.... you don't want global ooc, but because you don't want it, we can't have it either because it will put you in a disadvantage if you turn it off.

That's some booey logic right there.

[Haul]

Read between the brown nose part and all's left is QQ I wish I wasn't banned for RMT.

I got over my ban day 1. I flipped so much freaking money to be sour about my ban LOL.

[mostbitter]

After reading ur post Amelinda I see how you might not have appreciated what I had to say but it doesn't reflect on you as a person, you're trying hard but you're like an assistant manager, in charge of everything without being given the authority to do much.

[Titanuk]

i miss feigi 1.0

[jeffd]

ex
ploy
tation

[Rushmore]

thats why i said rogean is trying to kill the server

tobusy with starwars time

doesn't StarWars suck?

[Woodcon Valor]

Could we compromise on yellow text with something similar to this?