Manastone / Guise

[Hovis]

im hearing rumors it is being taken out tomorrow?
is this true?

[pasi]

Supposedly is. Not the best idea if the idea is to grow the population since that is a significant draw to new players.

[Hovis]

yeah thats exactly what i was going to say..

Manastone + Guise are necessities for many classes

[hijinks]

Shrug, server has been out since November-- how many more new players you think we're going to get? and if you don't have any of those items by now (little over 3 months) then that's your own damn fault.

[Hovis]

i have them man, the server is being changed as we speak (exp bonus) and hopefully YT and ooc. It will def bring back quite of few with all these being put in.

[hijinks]

Good cuz a monk is worthless without DE mask :)

[Lazortag]

yeah thats exactly what i was going to say..

Manastone + Guise are necessities for many classes

No?

i have them man, the server is being changed as we speak (exp bonus) and hopefully YT ...

...No.

[Harrison]

i have them man, the server is being changed as we speak (exp bonus) and hopefully YT and ooc. It will def bring back quite of few with all these being put in.

Rogean has told you guys COUNTLESS times that he is not putting in Yellow Text.

[Palemoon]

i have them man, the server is being changed as we speak (exp bonus) and hopefully YT and ooc. It will def bring back quite of few with all these being put in.

Yeah that xp bonus REALLY brought back a ton of players.

/laugh

[loserofgame]

Yeah that xp bonus REALLY brought back a ton of players.

/laugh

Brought back players? I don't actually think so.

Attracted new players? Yes. See new people starting every day.
(I still don't like the non-classic boost, but it is encouraging people to start)

[Hovis]

Yeah that xp bonus REALLY brought back a ton of players.

/laugh

sorry, new players.. and yes i saw at least 20-30 more population because of it.

[Hovis]

Good cuz a monk is worthless without DE mask :)

any clickie helps bro!

and i meant mask/ms more in turn to casters (cleric, ench, druid, shaman~, wiz, etc)
Mask is a must for ogres/trolls and sometimes barbarians are too big in some dungeons (but not many)

[Dullah]

Supposedly is. Not the best idea if the idea is to grow the population since that is a significant draw to new players.

Who said where?

[Palemoon]

sorry, new players.. and yes i saw at least 20-30 more population because of it.

What you saw is bored mains rolling up alts because they got tired of farming frenzy for the 5th month straight.

This is a classic red EQ server, no need to make it unclassic in a very very vain attempt to "bring in new people". People will only come here because its classic 1999 style red EQ, no other reason... Not YellowText, not global /ooc troll channel, not max level in a week xp.

Keep it Classic.

[Hovis]

What you saw is bored mains rolling up alts because they got tired of farming frenzy for the 5th month straight.

This is a classic red EQ server, no need to make it unclassic in a very very vain attempt to "bring in new people". People will only come here because its classic 1999 style red EQ, no other reason... Not YellowText, not global /ooc troll channel, not max level in a week xp.

Keep it Classic.

no, if people rolled alts how would there be more people?? if a level 50 /camps and creates a new character the pop would go from 100 to 100. you make no sense.

and yeah sure bro.. classic is obviously going so well for this server...

[Dullah]

The appeal of classic EQ is that progression is meaningful, the very reason most oldschool EQ fans find nothing appealing about new games.

[Palemoon]

classic is the only reason for this servers existance... its only purpose.

People need to stop trying to change that fact.

[Hovis]

classic is the only reason for this servers existance... its only purpose.

People need to stop trying to change that fact.

PVP is the reason this server was made.

[loserofgame]

What you saw is bored mains rolling up alts because they got tired of farming frenzy for the 5th month straight.

This is a classic red EQ server, no need to make it unclassic in a very very vain attempt to "bring in new people". People will only come here because its classic 1999 style red EQ, no other reason... Not YellowText, not global /ooc troll channel, not max level in a week xp.

Keep it Classic.

I agree with you to some extent, I prefer 'keeping it classic', but not everybody agrees, and it wouldn't kill my experience if there was OOC and YT and xp bonus(this is already in, I disagree with it but I can't disagree with the effects)

Also, I hope the new people I've encountered weren't bored mains rolling up alts, because if they were dying to level 1 monsters and asking for help that would be very embarrassing.

Just because YOU got bored farming frenzy for the 5th month straight, Arzak, does not mean that new players are all bored alts. Log on sometimes outside of raid times and check out the newbie zones. Especially in prime time(yes, I know it's raid time then, but if you can squeeze in a trip before or after your raid). Throw some newbies some Valor buffs etc. It's a blast.

[Palemoon]

PVP is the reason this server was made.

Classic 1999 style red, yes.

And I was there, and not there as a wide eyed 11 year old with my first computer either.

I remember what it was all about. (hint: it was classic PvE EQ with pvp enabled to enhance the game world/immersion)

[Palemoon]

Throw some newbies some Valor buffs etc. It's a blast.


In the spirit of Nellodee, I have always stopped and buffed noobs when comming across them. I actually put valor on some monk noob in Rivervale just yesterday named umm.... (something bad like Runnystool.. or something to that effect lol, I told him he should have his name changed before he is reported).

If there were more old school EQers here instead of just old school griefers, server would probly still be in the 300+ range.

[Dullah]

They can go ahead and try to make EQ into something its not, and it will ruin what the game still has to offer.

Cheapening and trivializing what EQ was meant to be will put it in the same genre of MMO as every modern MMO, and it will therefore become obsolete among other games that are smoother, prettier, have more advanced systems and much more features.

[loserofgame]

If there were more old school EQers here instead of just old school griefers, server would probly still be in the 300+ range.

On the old Zek servers, many old school EQers WERE old school griefers. Fighting your way through the griefers and succeeding despite them(and getting help from some nice people along the way) is, for me, what makes this server a challenge and a lot of fun.

I know you're a nice dude(heck, you helped ME out when I was just starting out with some advice and stuff), but just because asshats will be asshats does not mean the server's gonna die. Quite a lot of people come here just so they can relish in the opportunity to make people mad. Is there something wrong with that? Heh, maybe. But it's a PvP server. If you weren't expecting that, why did you come here?

Your answer would probably be to fight honorably and to get loot(which you do both of). Just keep in mind that there's more than one way to play EQ, and that's what makes it great.

Even if you have to wipe griefer blood off your blade now and again.

[loserofgame]

They can go ahead and try to make EQ into something its not, and it will ruin what the game still has to offer.

Cheapening and trivializing what EQ was meant to be will put it in the same genre of MMO as every modern MMO, and it will therefore become obsolete among other games that are smoother, prettier, have more advanced systems and much more features.

Agree, which is why I didn't like the XP boost, but it did improve server population, and it's not TOO insane of a boost.

I don't think YT or OOC would cheapen or trivialize the challenge of EQ. It would be custom, yes. I'm not a big fan of it myself, but I'm in the camp where I think it would be okay to try it out, and get rid of it if it sucks.

I think XP is actually a bigger kick in the face to 'classic-ness' than YT or OOC.

[Palemoon]

I know there has always been griefers in EQ, I remember then back in 1999. What i'm trying to say is they were in the very small minority back then. Problem here is (and what I blame the low server pop on) the percentage of griefers is MUCH higher, I can't tell you what exact percentage here, but I can tell you its higher then is healthy for a EQ server. Much higher.

Just a shame more old school "non-griefers" did not come out for this to keep the ratio more healthy.

[loserofgame]

I know there has always been griefers in EQ, I remember then back in 1999. What i'm trying to say is they were in the very small minority back then. Problem here is (and what I blame the low server pop on) the percentage of griefers is MUCH higher, I can't tell you what exact percentage here, but I can tell you its higher then is healthy for a EQ server. Much higher.

Just a shame more old school "non-griefers" did not come out for this to keep the ratio more healthy.

Below 40, I've encountered tons of nice people on this server. But the people at the top will always be that elitist mix of player where it's very, very hard to be nice. ESPECIALLY on a PvP server.

The low population does hurt it, yes, simply because a larger proportion of players on the server are those elites at the top(/who all Nihilum sometimes accounts for 40%+ of server pop, if you throw in /who all Holocaust and /who all Founding it's like 70% at times).

All the more reason to encourage new people to play. Although, it takes a specific kind of player to be able to survive on a server like this, so not all players will be capable of sticking around.

[Dullah]

Yep, griefers were probably like less than 10% on classic. More than half the server are griefers here, which has basically resulted in nothing but lawlessness where on rallos zek, there was a clearly defined system of order amongst the chaos and potential chaos.

There were rivalries, and all the pvp you could want, but the alliances did not attack random players. Most of the quarrels stemmed from small groups or individuals who wronged other guilds. Usually offending players would be removed from guilds rather than bring a bad name on their guild. On occasions where guilds wouldn't remove offenders, they would basically be in a situation where they, as a guild, would have to make amends, gain allies, or be stomped into the ground by those whom they offended. In contrast, on R99, many guilds don't want you unless you're a griefer or are willing to become one.

[Vile]

thank god for gongbro, guised up vile a few weeks ago... vile's value gonna triple after patch

[loserofgame]

Yep, griefers were probably like less than 10% on classic. More than half the server are griefers here, which has basically resulted in nothing but lawlessness where on rallos zek, there was a clearly defined system of order amongst the chaos and potential chaos.

There were rivalries, and all the pvp you could want, but the alliances did not attack random players. Most of the quarrels stemmed from small groups or individuals who wronged other guilds. Usually offending players would be removed from guilds rather than bring a bad name on their guild. In contrast, on R99, many guilds don't want you unless you're a griefer or are willing to become one.

I think the fact that this system existed 10+ years ago makes a difference, but if this server had the kind of population that the Zeks did back then, you'd probably see the PvP system change a fair bit.

Atm, I don't think the server has the kind of population(read: large guilds/alliances) to sustain such a system, so griefing is the regular form of guerilla PvP, since large-scale wars are very few and far between.

[Dullah]

I think the fact that this system existed 10+ years ago makes a difference, but if this server had the kind of population that the Zeks did back then, you'd probably see the PvP system change a fair bit.

Atm, I don't think the server has the kind of population(read: large guilds/alliances) to sustain such a system, so griefing is the regular form of guerilla PvP, since large-scale wars are very few and far between.

Yep, and what were saying is that that is the fundamental flaw in the server. If its overrun by vultures, people will look elsewhere for enjoyment. Losing said vultures will eventually provide a more enjoyable experience for new players.

We shall purge them.

[loserofgame]

Yep, and what were saying is that that is the fundamental flaw in the server. If its overrun by vultures, people will look elsewhere for enjoyment. Losing said vultures will eventually provide a more enjoyable experience for new players.

Fundamental difference, yes. And a flaw if you see it that way.

But man, I've gotten more kicks out of the crazy characters on the server that's more than well worth the $0 I spent. It's tons of fun if you don't let the trolling get to you.

Also, the 'vultures' are all focused on the top dog, which is you guys, haha.

New players have it easier than ever right now, what with the boosted exp, free handouts, etc.

Maybe once some of them grow up you'll see a shift in the server dynamic.

[Dullah]

Maybe once some of them grow up you'll see a shift in the server dynamic.

Wont happen. They will die man-children and trolls.

[loserofgame]

Wont happen. They will die man-children and trolls.

I meant the new players, but I see what you did there and I lol'd

[Yukahwa]

I'm a new player. I got burnt out on beta and started up a week or something ago. I'm level 19 now. I am motivated to level to enjoy trying to get ahold of some old world only drops like MS and the Guise. Hopefully I won't lose that motivation. There are a lot of folks still grinding through their first toon that are in their 30's now.

This server wont benefit from moving forward. Moving to kunark with all of 60 players online won't do a lot of good. I think it needs to get rolling old world style and then kunark can bring folks in for that content. I know we aren't talking about kunark just yet, but the point is still valid.

[Amelinda]

Sorry to ruin your troll bros but as far as I know there is nothing planned for tomorrow. Someone asked Rogean about this in IRC a few days ago and he laughed then said "Think about it man. WHERE would they have heard it?"

Furthermore - WHY would Rogean tell some random player mana stones and jboots were being taken out?

:)

I will say that i think you should bust your ass camping those things because it is an accelerated time line and i think they were in game for 7 months on live.

:)

[heartbrand]

I'm a new player. I got burnt out on beta and started up a week or something ago. I'm level 19 now. I am motivated to level to enjoy trying to get ahold of some old world only drops like MS and the Guise. Hopefully I won't lose that motivation. There are a lot of folks still grinding through their first toon that are in their 30's now.

This server wont benefit from moving forward. Moving to kunark with all of 60 players online won't do a lot of good. I think it needs to get rolling old world style and then kunark can bring folks in for that content. I know we aren't talking about kunark just yet, but the point is still valid.

I couldn't disagree more with this. The lack of content is killing the player base.

[fiegi]

release velius already

[heartbrand]

release velius already

+1

[tehruoh]

classic PVP is the only reason for this servers existance... its only purpose.

People need to stop trying to change that fact.

fixt

[Amelinda]

Original quote:
Rule 1-8 of Fight Club: Don't talk about Velious 2 weeks after Kunark release.

Adapted quote:
Rule 1-8 of Fight Club: Don't talk about Velious months before Kunark release.

[Chett]

Amen, Linda. We got it.

[damphier]

Myself and 5 IRL buddies just joined. We have grinded our asses off in the 10 days we've been playing trying to get to the level to camp guise/MS. Unfortunately none of us were aware of the p99 red on launch, so we're basically fucked by hate coming out this friday. Could be a make/break situation.

[fiegi]

Hate isn't coming out tomorrow bro. Don't let the trolls get ya.

[Slathar]

when da fux velious coming out

[Hammertime]

listen yall need to release planes of power..before there is only less then 10 people left on the server

[Slathar]

wuts ur fursona?

[Silikten]

griefer or grief player (ˈɡriːfə)

—an online game player who intentionally spoils the game for other players.

This is the definition. I think you guys who call people "griefers" are beyond stupid. The only real griefers are Holocaust who have bind camped people causing massive level loss. Everyone else just kills you, on a player vs player server, and you guys call it griefing.

The design is with the intent that players fight eachother. Get over it.

[Dullah]

griefer or grief player (ˈɡriːfə)

—an online game player who intentionally spoils the game for other players.

This is the definition. I think you guys who call people "griefers" are beyond stupid. The only real griefers are Holocaust who have bind camped people causing massive level loss. Everyone else just kills you, on a player vs player server, and you guys call it griefing.

The design is with the intent that players fight eachother. Get over it.

No, when we refer to griefers we mean that exact definition, and half the server falls into that category - not just Holo.

[Harrison]

No, when we refer to griefers we mean that exact definition, and half the server falls into that category - not just Holo.

[Silikten]

No, when we refer to griefers we mean that exact definition, and half the server falls into that category - not just Holo.

That is my point. You think you will just cozy up to everyone and get along. Zeds posted he got "griefed" when he zoned into 7 FF and they killed him. . .it's like, no, that is wrong place wrong time.

[jeffd]

where'd you even hear that manastone/guise were coming out tomorrow? sounds completely made up

[Hovis]

where'd you even hear that manastone/guise were coming out tomorrow? sounds completely made up

saw a few posts about it - just making sure it was a troll really.

[Hovis]

griefer or grief player (ˈɡriːfə)

—an online game player who intentionally spoils the game for other players.

This is the definition. I think you guys who call people "griefers" are beyond stupid. The only real griefers are Holocaust who have bind camped people causing massive level loss. Everyone else just kills you, on a player vs player server, and you guys call it griefing.

The design is with the intent that players fight eachother. Get over it.

Fried for President 2012 - fuck obama.

[XiakenjaTZ]

this is a troll to bump prices for these items

[Hovis]

this is a troll to bump prices for these items

you mean the troll that people started about it or my thread?

[Zeds]

That is my point. You think you will just cozy up to everyone and get along. Zeds posted he got "griefed" when he zoned into 7 FF and they killed him. . .it's like, no, that is wrong place wrong time.

I never said I got griefed, I said I didn't think that you guys had renounced griefing.

i ported into commons a couple days ago and got insta gibbed by 12 FF so I don't think so

derp.

Infact, I've only ever died to FF twice, this instance being 1 death and the other being Andis and someone else rolling me @ 42 while I was medding then corpse camping me for 30 mins (logged and had a lvl 1 at my camp to see when they would leave) that and Salty roots me every once and awhile mid quad and tries to make me eat a mob death but it never works, so I have no idea if you guys grief or not, so don't point fingers at me