When PvP happens, everybody loses (Image heavy)

[Leftoverture]

It was a day seemingly like any other. Norrath's blissful sun rose on another glorious day in Highkeep as well as Timtebow and his Christian summer camp. After some time culling heathen goblins for funds for the Timtebow Foundation, it became apparent something was horribly amiss. Evil worshippers of Innoruuk were KILLING THE CHRISTIAN CAMPERS. Kneeling down and flexing his great muscles mightily, Timtebow said a prayer to Quellious and set to work dispatching this infamous villain.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK1.jpg

The necromonger returned, seeking to challenge the message on Timtebow's eye black, but 2 deaths were enough to send him on his way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK2.jpg

This well geared rogue was welcome by the campers despite being nothing more than a common theif. He was foolish enough to follow our hero far into his grand palace. He got lost and was slain.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK4.jpg

Suddenly new challengers appeared. Three foul criminals from the guild <Meow> had taken to killing campers as well. They would have been welcomed by our Christian naivite but their faithless devotion to a false god was an affront to all my senses

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK6.jpg

Victory in the name of Christ seemed to only anger these beasts. Mckatface took it upon himself to stalk Timtebow invisibly, only appearing to root him in dark corners where he could not call out to his brothers. Thankfully a sympathetic Moor was nearby willing to aid our intrepid hero.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK8.jpg

After these latest dealings Tim retreated to the far reaches of camp. Suddenly he is stunned by some sort of supernatural force and a Moor appears before him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK11.jpg

We're going to have a little talk?

[Mon Mar 12 18:11:36 2012] You say, 'oh'
[Mon Mar 12 18:11:41 2012] Sirken tells you, 'oh hi'
[Mon Mar 12 18:11:43 2012] You say, 'hello'
[Mon Mar 12 18:11:48 2012] Sirken tells you, 'we're going to have a talk'
[Mon Mar 12 18:11:50 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Mon Mar 12 18:11:58 2012] You told Sirken, 'talk to me'
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:22 2012] Purchin Oddsbot begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:33 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'Get away from me!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:35 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'I gotta get out of here!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:37 2012] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:37 2012] ---------------------------
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Squirty <Meow>
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Mump
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Marvolo
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Timtebow <Flowers of Happiness>
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:37 2012] There are 4 players in HighKeep.
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:39 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'I see you!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:43 2012] Sirken tells you, 'firstly, i dont want you to use npcs/mobs to grief players, especially lowend to mid range players'
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:48 2012] Squirty begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:51 2012] Sirken tells you, 'its shitty and its bad for the server'
[Mon Mar 12 18:12:53 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'I just adore this place.'
[Mon Mar 12 18:13:05 2012] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:13:24 2012] Tsaria Jnarus begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:13:28 2012] Dyrna Nlith begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:13:30 2012] Sirken tells you, 'second, your name violates the naming policy, so you need to pick a new one'
[Mon Mar 12 18:13:50 2012] You told Sirken, 'aww thats low'
[Mon Mar 12 18:13:55 2012] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:13:58 2012] Sirken tells you, 'rules are rules'
[Mon Mar 12 18:14:19 2012] You told Sirken, 'can i explain?'
[Mon Mar 12 18:14:29 2012] Sirken tells you, 'explain what?'
[Mon Mar 12 18:14:29 2012] Purchin Oddsbot begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:14:33 2012] You told Sirken, 'i know i wont get out of the name but this isnt really a gm situation'
[Mon Mar 12 18:14:54 2012] Sirken tells you, 'im not saying you did anything wrong'
[Mon Mar 12 18:14:54 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'Stop following me!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:14:59 2012] Marnamena tells the guild, 'whos can i get a wutwut on forums?'
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:06 2012] You told Sirken, 'mckatface had been following me around invis trying to fight me for some time, its not griefing to break his invis if he's kos here right?'
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:07 2012] Aeris Greymalkyn begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:09 2012] a pickclaw spiritist begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:10 2012] You told Sirken, 'oh ok'
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:22 2012] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:26 2012] Sirken tells you, 'all im saying is that i dont want players to use mobs to grief other players and that doing so would be bad for the server'
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:35 2012] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:15:41 2012] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:00 2012] Tsaria Jnarus begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:07 2012] The potion has worn off.
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:11 2012] You told Sirken, 'i understand, but theres a certain danger in hunting in what is basically a city'
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:19 2012] Sirken tells you, 'and to answer your question, no its no illegal to break his invis'
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:24 2012] You say to your guild, 'what should my new name be'
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:30 2012] Dyrna Nlith begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:35 2012] Purchin Oddsbot begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:38 2012] Sirken tells you, 'not* illegal'
[Mon Mar 12 18:16:39 2012] You say to your guild, 'sirken is making me change it because i killed <Meow> too much'
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:13 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'Get away from me!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:15 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'I gotta get out of here!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:19 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'I see you!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:21 2012] You told Sirken, 'alright, thanks for that'
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:33 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'I just adore this place.'
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:37 2012] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:37 2012] ---------------------------
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Strong <Meow>
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Mump
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Marvolo
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:37 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Timtebow <Flowers of Happiness>
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:37 2012] There are 4 players in HighKeep.
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:47 2012] Sirken tells you, 'obvious his faction is his issue'
[Mon Mar 12 18:17:53 2012] Sirken tells you, 'not your prob'
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:03 2012] a pickclaw spiritist begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:14 2012] You told Sirken, 'i was just using my advantages, didnt think it would invoke your wrath'
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:17 2012] Purchin Oddsbot begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:24 2012] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:24 2012] You told Sirken, 'now whats so much worse about my name than theirs?'
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:27 2012] Sirken tells you, 'you sir have not felt my wrath =P'
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:35 2012] You told Sirken, 'Mckatface, Strong Dong, Squirty Vagina?'
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:37 2012] Tsaria Jnarus begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:41 2012] Sirken tells you, 'its a RL person'
[Mon Mar 12 18:18:59 2012] Sirken tells you, 'and you have multiple words to form a saynig/phrase/sentence'
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:18 2012] You told Sirken, 'so is mckatface, Strong Dong and Squirty Vagina lol'
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:27 2012] a pickclaw spiritist begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:29 2012] Sirken tells you, 'Strong is 1 word'
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:34 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'Stop following me!'
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:36 2012] Sirken tells you, 'Dong is 1 word'
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:38 2012] Dyrna Nlith begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:42 2012] Sirken tells you, 'same with squirt'
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:51 2012] Purchin Oddsbot begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:19:53 2012] a pickclaw seer begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:20:02 2012] Sirken tells you, 'and none are RL people'
[Mon Mar 12 18:20:12 2012] You told Sirken, 'obviously not acceptable for everquest immersion though, i thought that was on the list'
[Mon Mar 12 18:20:15 2012] Sirken tells you, 'you name violates two parts'
[Mon Mar 12 18:20:40 2012] You told Sirken, 'fair enough'
[Mon Mar 12 18:20:49 2012] Sirken tells you, 'ill run mckatface by staff, the other two, strong and squirty will be fine'
[Mon Mar 12 18:21:09 2012] Aeris Greymalkyn begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:21:12 2012] Tsaria Jnarus begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Mar 12 18:21:27 2012] You told Sirken, 'i just cant help but feel singled out a bit, the name has been fine by you guys since server launch, even when i encountered you and amelinda in unrest'
[Mon Mar 12 18:21:54 2012] Isabella Cellus says 'Get away from me!'

^TLDR Sirken deems the name Timtebow against the naming policy. I log off quickly to scan this policy regarding what he said and found not only was I breaking the rules but they all were too! Though not seen alive in these shots their collective names were: Mckatface Meow, Squirty Vagina, and Strong Dong. The latter two are explicitly ruled against, right at the top of the policy. I log back on to plead my case again, knowing the facts.


[Mon Mar 12 18:56:50 2012] You told Sirken, 'so they are overlooked even though they are in violation? =('
[Mon Mar 12 18:57:46 2012] Sirken tells you, 'imo, they arent violations'
[Mon Mar 12 18:58:13 2012] Sirken tells you, 'imo, your upset and your trying to rule lawyer me, which is, imo, a waste of my time, and is not appreciated'
[Mon Mar 12 18:58:53 2012] You told Sirken, 'one last question'
[Mon Mar 12 18:59:24 2012] You told Sirken, 'would it be unacceptable to use what youve said to me as part of a post on the boards if i put it in RnF/'
[Mon Mar 12 19:02:52 2012] You told Sirken, 'hello?'
[Mon Mar 12 19:02:56 2012] Sirken tells you, 'sec'
[Mon Mar 12 19:03:51 2012] Sirken tells you, 'if you really wanna go tit for tat on the forums, then by all means do so'

In the end, <Meow> got what they wanted. With GM's coming to the rescue, they were free to kill monsters unmolested.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/untitled.jpg

So watch out you Bigroseanne's and you Sandusky's. I assume your names will be changed if you ever attempt anything fun

[Muaar]

sirken is the one who needs a vacation. totally unprofessional

[fiegi]

am deeply disturbed by this

[Muaar]

Squirty Vagina is an ok name

Timtebow is against naming policy

grasping at straws to prove oneself right


Sirken either not getting paid enough or needs to find a new hobby

[Lulz Sect]

This message is hidden because Harrison is on your ignore list.

[Leftoverture]

Help me out with some new names guys! These are trying times

[Muaar]

nekriskcuf

[Lulz Sect]

Yews Mahdbrow

[Peppers]

[Mon Mar 12 18:58:13 2012] Sirken tells you, 'imo, your upset and your trying to rule lawyer me, which is, imo, a waste of my time, and is not appreciated'


We cannot be bothered by fairness and even application of rules. And if you are rezzed out of a fight, you probably are hacking.

[Tumdumm]

,imo, wtf, imo, this is completely uncalled for

[Salem Orchid]

"imo they arent violations"

http://i.imgur.com/itQFv.png


Also, since when was trying to contest people for XP spots considered griefing? And why the gray line between low, mid, and high level people?

[Tajin]

I had to have my surname Mafakka removed by a GM.... later found out their is a char named Mafakka.. and he gets to keep his name.... WHYYYY

[Muaar]

Let me preface this by saying Amelinda did a great job of helping us set up our guild at the launch of Red99, and I have had absolutely zero problems with any GM on any p99 server.


That said, in regards of the name-ban of Timtebow and the disruption of pvp in HHK by Sirken, I honestly don't understand why you feel the need to blatantly break your own rules to solve a problem that never existed outside the vacuum of your mind.

The name Timtebow is not allowed (created on launch night) but Squirty Vagina is? Please explain this logic. You claim in his chat log that his behavior 'is detrimental to the server' but it is you who is committing the largest abuse of power in the entire equation.

P99 is better than live 99 times out of 100 but I really wish we had a professional in charge of this issue than someone who is very obviously personally invested in the drama of it all reading the flame forums and messing with people in game they don't like.

I predict you will falsely perceive this as an attack and resort to an escalation of power as previously mentioned to shield your actions from honest inquiry but I would really appreciate an honest, mature response from you and either Amelinda or Rogean on this issue.

How does what you did make sense? How did it make anything better?

[Zeds]

Craig Peeples!

[Salem Orchid]

It wont let me edit it to post edited picture :(

[Salty]

Sirken wrong on 100% all counts.

Sirken confirmed terrible

[heartbrand]

I don't really understand why we are using the EQ Live naming policy. IMO only names that should be edited are the obvious offensive/racist ones because some people still take things seriously on the internet and for the CHILDREN!!! But seriously Timtebow? Even Live gave up policing names like that.

[Haul]

sirken is the one who needs a vacation. totally unprofessional

[jdklaw]

WAHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHHH

he said its mckatface problem hes kos not urs, stfu and change ur RL person name dumb shit

[Leftoverture]

I see you were approaching proficiency in reading comprehension

[compulsion]

This is like 2 people racing, and the one who gets caught complains that justice has not been met since the other got away.

Every name involved in this is against the rules and exists somewhere in the gray area of uncreative to dumb. Just level another monk to 20 with another stupid name if you really need the attention. Or, for the ULTIMATE REVENGE, you could petition that your teenage son asked what a squirty vagina was and get their name changed too!

As much as <Meow> may be dumb for wasting their time even trying to kill you in there, you were never attempting to PvP or contest anything. You are just using FD, faction, and, if HHK is anything like it was on live, screwy agro and pathing to ruin a zone. You use the same utilities that go into training to create situations where your opponents cannot fight back. You had your time to color on the walls, mommy took away the crayons, and now it's time to find something else to do.

Thank you GMs and staff for the time you spend babysitting.

[Dullah]

Name rules are there rules, but its sad to see that theres been an issue made out of his pvp tactics. He didn't do anything wrong in that respect, and it shouldn't have even been brought up.

[Leftoverture]

As much as I'd love to just level up a new monk, I have honestly spent all my casual time since the launch of this server getting to 33. I wouldn't do it again. The point you guys seem to be missing is the heavyhanded and blatantly biased application of their rules. Maybe I'll see you complaining about a similar decision about something with much higher stakes soon

[Flowz]

Names are kinda a bitch to deal with, Squirty vigana is def against the policy, but he didnt say anything about the vagina part just the squirty ( squirty might be alright if u dont use vagina as a surname) same with strong dong, Mabye he changed their surnames. its just like the racial shit that goes on here, u cant say n****r or any other racist shit but there is a guy named
(nips) < racials for chinese poeple, have petitioned his name apprently he has petitioned it as well, some people dont know all the racial words, but if 1 is gonna be censored, censor all of them.

[Chett]

Incompetence got a new Name. What a BS, Sirken, Sir. Ridiculous.

Server Ruleset and the Peeps keeping this "Rules" is def. a big Problem for the Server.

/Sad

[loserofgame]

TL: DR version: Don't like what Sirken did. Answers in a big long-winded post here so he can read some feedback.

Have to say I disagree with Sirken's actions here:

a) He clearly states that the PvP actions of the monk formerly known as Timtebow are not illegal, however he states this as the main purpose of his visit, to say that these sorts of actions are bad for the server.

I disagree with this, since PvP activities, whether they be killing, griefing, and using all legal means to gain a fighting advantage, are expected and should be expected on a PvP server. If people cannot handle this type of play, they are welcome to play on Blue instead. Sirken, and the other staff, should be policing illegal activities, not legal ones. If there were other illegal activities conducted, such as training(which I don't think should be illegal, but right now it is), then it should've been mentioned at the start, but it wasn't.

b) Sirken's justification for changing Timtebow's name as opposed to not changing Squirty Vagina, Strong Dong, and Mckatface's names, are that Timtebow's name violates two sections of the naming policy, where the others only violate one.

I disagree with this as well for two reasons. The first is, as noted here by Salem Orchid:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=587428&postcount=11

As noted, names such as Strong Dong or Squirty Vagina also violate more than one section of the naming policy. (Mckatface does not, however.) By your reasoning you'd also have to change those names, and you did say that you were going to run them by the staff, so that is acknowledged at least.

The second reason is that, if you are going to police names, you will have several weeks of work to do. Probably a third to half of the names on this server violate the naming policy in one way or another. Furthermore, most people only care about the naming policy when they're butthurt, such as in this case. I doubt it ruined Meow's immersion(immersion on a PvP server? ha!) that they were getting beat up by a monk named Timtebow.

I can just imagine the usual petition: /petition HAY GM, insertnamehere was totally griefing me with xploit and hack and train, and his name violates the naming policy too!!!111!! OMG BAN HIMZ~

In closing? Sirken was probably having a bad day; I mean, who wouldn't, having to babysit a server full of strange people who are terminally insane enough to play on a server like this(myself included). But I disagree with his actions nonetheless:

1) If they're breaking the rules, ban 'em. If they're not, don't go up to them and ask them nicely to make nice. This is red99, not the Model UN. People didn't come here to play nice. They came here to make people bleed.

2) This server clearly appears to have a relaxed naming policy, where only the most egregious of naming violations are policed. If this is the case, please don't cater to people who have sand in their underpants. If this isn't the case, please show more consistency in enforcement.

Anyway, this is RnF so I'm not supposed to say shit that makes sense, but hey.

Also, I want to close by saying I appreciate the work that the Guides do here. Wouldn't want to do that job even if it was a paying one. Props.

[karsten]

not gonna lie i didn't just read that

[Flunklesnarkin]

TL for just a simple thread about name violation lol


They either need to police all names.. or not at all


pick and choose is where all the RnF come from.

[loserofgame]

TL for just a simple thread about name violation lol


Agree, but I needed some writing practice while I wake up with some coffee.

Also, this isn't just a problem about names, it's also about acceptable PvP conditions, enforcement of staff, etc.

I'd take it to PM's but it clearly says at the bottom there that Sirken is OK with it posted here, so +1 to him for being willing to take the heat

[Flunklesnarkin]

You came across as confrontational to Sirken


but w/e... just means you get to hide behind a new name till people figure it out (i'd embrace that)



Where is a link to the naming policy for red?

Is it the same as blue?

That wouldn't make sense to me at all if it is.

[loserofgame]

You came across as confrontational to Sirken


but w/e... just means you get to hide behind a new name till people figure it out (i'd embrace that)



Where is a link to the naming policy for red?

Is it the same as blue?

That wouldn't make sense to me at all if it is.

There isn't a naming policy specifically for red to my knowledge. Supposedly, there's some red-specific rules in the works, a draft of which was posted on the forums, oh, a week and a half ago or so? And was promptly removed after some controversy. They're supposed to be put up again in the future, but I don't recall there being a naming section.

Also, I'm not the OP. Never met him actually. In fact, he'd probably kill me if I ran into him on the server, haha.

I just felt like posting. Seems the thing to do on a forum.

[Lulz Sect]

Bros stop the QQ it's just like speeding tickets - cops can't stop everyone - but they will given enough time!

[Tumdumm]

i tried to sleep this one off

woke up still outraged

!!!

[bilbobaggins]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/HK6.jpg

take ss of corpses on ground that you had nothing to do with? check. (squirty wasn't even in your pvp range, and strong died to a guard before you even logged into HK)

i won't deny that you got me when i was naked and running for the zone... but you have to be a real sally to post a screen shot of my geared corpse and claim you had anything to do with it.




As much as <Meow> may be dumb for wasting their time even trying to kill you in there, you were never attempting to PvP or contest anything. You are just using FD, faction, and, if HHK is anything like it was on live, screwy agro and pathing to ruin a zone. You use the same utilities that go into training to create situations where your opponents cannot fight back. You had your time to color on the walls, mommy took away the crayons, and now it's time to find something else to do.

Thank you GMs and staff for the time you spend babysitting.

^^ This. There was no PvP that day. Only training.

It is the only reason Sirken got involved in the first place. It's one thing to break invis knowing someone is KOS, but it is indeed called training when you aggro the guards yourself and feign death at someone's feet.

By the way, our surnames were removed shortly after they changed your name. Feel better? :eek:

[Tumdumm]

bilbobaggins is a full name as a first name change it please it ruins my immersion

[Palemoon]

By the way, our surnames were removed shortly after they changed your name. Feel better? :eek:


You two should of ate at least a week suspension for such obvious name violations that took up even 5 seconds of a GM's time to change.

Squirty Vigina? Really??

You need punishment for that, not just getting your last name dropped.

[Tumdumm]

http://www.notacult.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3022&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1323589641

NEVER FORGET

NEVER FORGIVE

[Leftoverture]

3/12/12 Never forget

Restore America Now

[Leftoverture]

take ss of corpses on ground that you had nothing to do with? check. (squirty wasn't even in your pvp range, and strong died to a guard before you even logged into HK)

i won't deny that you got me when i was naked and running for the zone... but you have to be a real sally to post a screen shot of my geared corpse and claim you had anything to do with it.




^^ This. There was no PvP that day. Only training.

It is the only reason Sirken got involved in the first place. It's one thing to break invis knowing someone is KOS, but it is indeed called training when you aggro the guards yourself and feign death at someone's feet.

By the way, our surnames were removed shortly after they changed your name. Feel better? :eek:

Did you get GM rezzed on those as well? I had more pics, but there's a 10 pic limit. I tried to portray the most justice possible

[bilbobaggins]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36kneg/

[Leftoverture]

Ha! I get it! It's funny since it's what you did. Getting a beatdown from Timtebow made you frown inside. The fact is I only had to FD because the guards would assist whoever makes the first move, even if they're non kos vs kos. This is stupid but I used my class abilities to my advantage in the one zone I can. Next time I'll just fear your pet

[Nirgon]

I'm calling for the heads of Squirty, Strong and that other guy in all fairness here. Names must be purged.

As far as the invis thing, this guy should know the "risk versus reward" factor in Everquest and take his lumps without a petition.

[Muaar]

foh is older than this server

dayse should replace sirken as gm

[jdklaw]

QQ

[Leftoverture]

witty

[Humerox]

well...I'd rather see a server full of TimTebows and JenniferAnnistons than I would Strong Dongs and Squirty Vaginas.

Hell...that celebrity guild was pretty cool...whatever server it was on.

Point is...you can be technically right and morally wrong.

There's not a damn thing wrong with TimTebow. There is a hell of a lot wrong with Strong Dong and Squirty Vagina, especially from the perspective of creating a newb-friendly environment.

[bilbobaggins]

shits all moot bros

Strong and Squirty had their surnames removed shortly after Timtebow was given a silly pet name

consider your immersion, SAVED!!!

RIP Squirty Vagina
3/2/12 - 3/12/12
He may have been squirty, but it was the good kind of squirty.

[Salty]

surnames removed

Not same

[bilbobaggins]

Not same

pick one name and explain why it goes against naming policy. you have 10 seconds...GO!

http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/tsgizmo/IMG_6970.JPG

[bilbobaggins]

time has expired

troll status: confirmed

[Mingo]

Project Red 1999 is a total success in my eyes. The failure of this server in contrast to it's great promise and anticipated success was the final cure to everyone's EQ addiction. Think of it as a prophylactic to your desire to waste your time in Norrath.

If the mighty Sirken can be reduced to such abject failure i would hazard that the deepseated systemic failure of Project1999RED is irreversible.

Fool me once [red1999's catastrophic failure] shame on you, fool me twice [any promised future emupvpbox] shame on me.

[Muaar]

change his name back god dammit

[Beastro]

What's makes this even sadder is the fact that Sirken was such an easy going GM until a heck of a lot of you played a part in turning him into a burnt out cynic.

[Galvatar]

Hey isn't "Sir Ken" a violation of the naming policies as well?

[Lulz Sect]

http://notacult.com/forums/cyb_banners/dolladollabillyall.jpg

[Leftoverture]

/petition how about peytonmanning

[gloinz]

the man is certainly oppressing the noble pvp champ timtebow in more ways then one

there are guards all over highkeep and that gm rule essentially turns highkeep into a blue paradise

[Tumdumm]

i heard people might be forgetting....
never.
and never forgive.

[Nirgon]

^ You're

[Arillious]

This post makes me glad that I quit this server a long time ago. Would be really pissed if I invested a lot of time.

I've heard nothing but good things about Sirken prior to this, but a GM getting involved in player disputes saying he doesnt like like the way one person is using his environment to his advantage? He even admits that no rules were broken.

How do you know your doing a good job as a GM? No one notices your even there.

The main problem with the GM's on this server is that they are volunteers, which mean that they choosing to do this on their free time because they enjoy it. People who enjoy having power should not have power.

[Sirken]

i had planned on just ignoring this thread, but seeing as it was bumped again, i might as well chime in.


if i remember correctly, i was called in to that spot by a petition of training. as with all training petitions i show up and i watch to see what i can see. believe it or not, most players twist truths in their favor so i prefer my own judgement of a situation.

regardless of whether or not i agree with certain rules, it is my job to enforce all of them. now contrary to popular belief, i'm not an idiot. i have a pretty solid idea of when griefing has occurred, even though it can't always be proven. now as per the rules, when a staff member sees griefing like actions that they determine to be excessive in nature or detrimental to the server as a whole, then they are expected to step in and ask the player to stop their actions. thats exactly what i did.

as far as the name; Timtebow is a clear violation of the p99/r99 naming policy. if you disagree then you have not read the naming policy.

as far as the other names that were reported (Squirty and Strong), they were not in direct violation of the naming policy. However in an effort to be fair to a very ungrateful player, i went ahead and told timtebow that i would forward the other names along to the staff for review.

if i remember correctly, the surnames were removed because they violated the policy as well. the first names were not changed because they did not violate the naming policy when detached from the surname.


and lastly, as i have said a million times over almost half a decade now; I am a human being, and like all human beings i am not perfect, i am going to make mistakes, and i'm going to do things that some people will flat out disagree with. however since i'm aware of those things i have ALWAYS encouraged players to send me or another staff member a PM if they felt they were treated unfairly or unjustly so that the situation could be further reviewed or at least further explained.


but please by all means continue twisting this tale to try and make you look like a white knight, while trying to make me look like an incompetent fool. i applaud your efforts, truly i do. if you think i abuse the minimal power i have, or if you think i'm treating you or anyone else unfairly; then i utterly encourage you with every ounce of my existence to report me to a higher ranking staff member for the good of the server.

thanks for playing,
<3
Sirks


PS- btw, for all the people that think Sirken is a form of Sir Ken, you are wrong. i'm no knight :P . Sirken is the brother of Sarkin, and the son Saltik. massive bonus points if anyone knows what im referring to ;)

[Soldier]

Well sirken, what you have done was clearly not worth it. You changed this guys name, from timtebow.. I mean honostly what was it hurting, was it doing that much harm?

Now.. you have one less player on the game. He prolly took his 4 buddies with him, and boot scoot boogie his ass off server for something clearly a non-factor. Im leveling a melee against mobs that run sow speed, waiting forever for petitions, tons of broken stuff, and yet you are full blown dick tracey on a guy named timtebow. I mean really? was it worth it? In the end you guys are against griefing, but really you just griefed him and his buddies off the server over the name timtebow and allow names far far worse. Go figure.

[Seaweedpimp]

LOL

[Rust1d?]

Server confirmed dead. See you guys on diablo 3

[SamwiseRed]

good to see guides policing names, meanwhile entire guilds exploit dragons.

[Sirken]

Well sirken, what you have done was clearly not worth it. You changed this guys name, from timtebow.. I mean honostly what was it hurting, was it doing that much harm? Now.. you have one less player on the game. He prolly took his 4 buddies with him, and boot scoot boogie his ass off server for something clearly a non-factor. Im leveling a melee against mobs that run sow speed, waiting forever for petitions, tons of broken stuff, and yet you are full blown dick tracey on a guy named timtebow. I mean really? was it worth it? In the end you guys are against griefing, but really you just griefed him and his buddies off the server over the name timtebow and allow names far far worse. Go figure.
Soldier - rules are rules. i don't get to cherry pick which rules i enforce unlike certain players that clearly cherry pick which rules they feel like following. i dont go out of my way looking for names, but when a player draws my attention and clearly has an invalid name, it would be irresponsible for me not to change it. and every single thing you named is outside my access level, including the forum petitions. i am here for rule enforcement and in game issues, that is all. i'm sorry that your pal lost his name for not following the naming policy.


good to see guides policing names, meanwhile entire guilds exploit dragons.
i can't believe people still bring this up. how many months ago did this happen? i know its been awhile cause it was before i came back around. get over it or quit. it happened, it's been dealt with. case closed. if you feel something was handled poorly, go ahead and let Rogean know in a polite civilized way, but constantly crying on the forums doesn't help anyone. and yea, policing names is one of the exact things that guides are supposed to do and are required to do, so yea it is good to see it happening. acting like this shit is still happening makes you look pretty foolish.

[Truth]

sirken wutdo

[Nirgon]

The problem isn't Amelinda or Sirken

[Soldier]

Soldier - rules are rules. i don't get to cherry pick which rules i enforce unlike certain players that clearly cherry pick which rules they feel like following. i dont go out of my way looking for names, but when a player draws my attention and clearly has an invalid name, it would be irresponsible for me not to change it. and every single thing you named is outside my access level, including the forum petitions. i am here for rule enforcement and in game issues, that is all. i'm sorry that your pal lost his name for not following the naming policy.



i can't believe people still bring this up. how many months ago did this happen? i know its been awhile cause it was before i came back around. get over it or quit. it happened, it's been dealt with. case closed. if you feel something was handled poorly, go ahead and let Rogean know in a polite civilized way, but constantly crying on the forums doesn't help anyone. and yea, policing names is one of the exact things that guides are supposed to do and are required to do, so yea it is good to see it happening. acting like this shit is still happening makes you look pretty foolish.


Thank you for a response, Im just saying, I cant change the rules and im sure neither can you. But if it is in the best interested of the server, I think rogean would be all ears to listen. Itleast I hope. You have alot more power then anyone of us. Red population is dieing, its not a matter of me thinking that, its the facts. Changing the name Timtebow in the end, kicked im sure over 4 people off the server. They didnt have to leave but it just shows the lack of communication between the players and the staff. And im sure they had bailed over this. Maybe change his name to Tim Tebow or work with him on a name change, at the end of the day it was in the servers best interest to keep the player base happy and alive and well. This was such a simple and silly rule and policy that in the end made you guys look bad. I mean this is a EQ emu server in the end. Not worth any money, not going on any ones resume, its all about having fun, which its clearly lacking. As far as cherry picking goes, I understand what your saying. But your judgement showing how you clearly state players cherry pick rules shows your complete lack of relationship and understanding of us, players. Some rules on this server are complety horrible. It's like they are made for a server with no PvP. This clearly is an example of why the servers population is dead. Not saying you can make rules and you cant, you just enforce them, but have our backs. See what rules are not working and are outdated and hurting the server, talk with rogean, ESTABLISH some communication with us players. Just remember to relax, have fun.. This aint live, this aint the holy grail of peoples lives, its just a way to have fun, and with a billion bologne rules, you guys wonder why red is going down hill.

[Lazortag]

... Maybe change his name to Tim Tebow or work with him on a name change, at the end of the day it was in the servers best interest to keep the player base happy and alive and well. ....

I doubt anyone quit over something so little, but anyways this isn't such a bad idea - I remember there was a troll named Ubestbetrollin whose name violated the policy, so it was changed to Ubestbe, and he was allowed to have the surname "Trollin". Just a thought.

[Soldier]

I bet they did quit, it just draws the line, gms renamed him to something silly im sure, not even wanting to help him out.

[Lazortag]

I bet they did quit, it just draws the line, gms renamed him to something silly im sure, not even wanting to help him out.

Even if he named him Captain Gobblecock that still seems like a dumb reason to quit.

[Sirken]

... gms renamed him to something silly im sure, not even wanting to help him out.
untrue. when i see a name that violates i let the player pick a new name, because i had a shitty GM on live change my friends name to something stupid on VZ, and he did end up quitting over it. so it is indeed something i take into consideration.

as far as having a communications with the player base, thats clearly not my place. i'm all for helping out with what i can where i can, but what you really want is a communication with someone from the dev team as they'd be more "in the know" than i would be. most of them pop into irc from time to time and Rogean is there often. you also have to remember that it can be difficult to communicate with a bunch of people that are constantly insulting you, your work, your ideas, and your server, all the while each of them feel that their way is the "right" way to play the game (i'm guilty of this too, most of us are), and so it becomes even more so difficult to please the masses. the simple truth is that you can't please everyone, and if you try, sometimes you don't please anyone.

[Soldier]

Sirken, I understand what you are saying and letting people pick there names is something I can see you doing. Communication is bad, I have been irc quite a bit, and notice rogean clearly ignores most everyone in there. This is a fact. Everyone has turned to insulting the server because they truly feel like no one cares. I mean what does it hurt for staff to pop into global ooc and ask what the population feels about this and that and what would help the server population grow? Or open a discussion besides forums where he can talk directly with the player base, without the flames. I would be down for this and im sure lots of people are. But this has been brought up a hundred times to nothing getting done. The main reason people are mad with insults and all that is because the population clearly feels like Rogean and staff have not listend to anyone on the server about there ideas. Global ooc and resist was a start though I must add. You guys finally came around and it has helped a bunch. But there are still tons of things that need to change for this server to survive. No one is asking for crazy off the wall things. If you see tons of people posting about XP rates its a clear sign of the what the vast amount of people on server want. I also thank you for taking the time to respond and have this discussion with me, which is showing positive signs, but we need the main with the golden key to everything.

[Salem Orchid]

as far as the other names that were reported (Squirty and Strong), they were not in direct violation of the naming policy. However in an effort to be fair to a very ungrateful player, i went ahead and told timtebow that i would forward the other names along to the staff for review.

http://i.imgur.com/BbpbZ.png

How does "Tug Mcgroin" (which is in direct violation of the naming policy), differ from "Strong Dong", or "Squirty Vagina"?

[Runya]

If i ran this server the first thing i would do is delete the forums.....buncha cunts crying over lag on opening weekend (lol).90% of this server are either a) worried about dragon loot b) Pretend they are hardcore pvp and worry about dragon loot or c) cant pvp without 5 friends or 5 mobs.Rnf should be changed to crying n moaning

[Leftoverture]

I bet they did quit, it just draws the line, gms renamed him to something silly im sure, not even wanting to help him out.

I did get a hold of Sirken a few days later and he let me have a better name. However I don't play much now because I can't solo

[Soldier]

wow thanks for great input there runya, really helped. I think staff is going to jump at the chance to take your advice

[Soldier]

All hail the great champion Timtebow, yea think you cant solo then, trying it now when mobs are running at mob speed(not classic).

[Leftoverture]

Monk named Timtebow spending his life kneeling to bind wounds deemed less creative than Squirty Vagina

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/keadaas/EQ000040.jpg

[FoxxHound]

football.