Ninja looting... illegal?

[oldfish]

Ok i just learned that you will get suspended for ninja looting.

Can anyone confirm if this was the case on live?

Because i thought training was legal on live but apparently it wasnt the case.

Ninja looters had a rep on live and werent allowed a place anywhere near a group that knew this.

Why arent we allowed this meta-gaming part of the game?

To me this is restricting the "toys in the sandbox"

I wouldnt ninja loot with my main, but it saddens me that someone cannot do this and be hunted and punished through social consequences within the game for this.

To me, just like scamming, this is not something the GMs should touch with a ten foot pole.

[Slathar]

Ninja looting should be legal with no GM interference just like it was on Rallos Zek. It was great ninja looting Cazic Thule and it brings a tear to my eye to think I can't do it here to become more fully immersed.

[Nirgon]

Hail, GM Slathar

[heartbrand]

To me, ninja looting provides a lot of grey areas, and for GMing you probably want to avoid grey areas because all they do is result in inconsistent rulings and accusations of gm favoritism.

[oldfish]

To me, ninja looting provides a lot of grey areas, and for GMing you probably want to avoid grey areas because all they do is result in inconsistent rulings and accusations of gm favoritism.

Right, and the less time the GMs spend catering to babies crying their eyes off because ITS MINE! MIIIINNNNEEE!! the more time they can spend on stuff they and the players actually enjoy, events and such.

Its really fucking simple. Someone ninja loots?

Make it public, hunt the guy in pvp, after a while this guy will get a rep and he might as well delete his char if he wants his hands on something else than solo farm loot.

Im just not getting how this is GM territory at all.

[Humerox]

Right, and the less time the GMs spend catering to babies crying their eyes off because ITS MINE! MIIIINNNNEEE!! the more time they can spend on stuff they and the players actually enjoy, events and such.

Its really fucking simple. Someone ninja loots?

Make it public, hunt the guy in pvp, after a while this guy will get a rep and he might as well delete his char if he wants his hands on something else than solo farm loot.

Im just not getting how this is GM territory at all.

This.

[Morninx]

Do we really want too much government intervention into our lives?

[heartbrand]

I admit I may be a political science major, but let's not create a false issue "ninja looting" and then build a system of rules to deal with the false issue, let's leave that to Congress amirite guys?

[oldfish]

Jesus now i can empathize a bit more with Amelinda and Uthgaard after reading that people actually petition because someone ninja looted.

No wonder they get snappy after a while, i cant imagine the pile of shit sitting in queue waiting for them when they log in.

[William Henry Harrison]

ninja looting is no where near as bad as HELP MY FRIEND IS A RETARD AND FELL ASLEEP ON KEYBOARD or HELP OTHER GUILD IS MEANIE POOPYHEAD CHEATERS

[Albane]

Ninja Looting Raid boss mobs on VZ and TZ always resulted in the player being suspended and the item being given to the guild leader to hand out. This happened a couple times on VZ and it took a week or so to be resolved, but it was resolved.

On this server, Ninja Looters will just re-roll after doing it a few times, especially with the faster leveling rate.

This is something the GM's should get involved in, if it is a raid boss.

[oldfish]

Ninja Looting Raid boss mobs on VZ and TZ always resulted in the player being suspended and the item being given to the guild leader to hand out. This happened a couple times on VZ and it took a week or so to be resolved, but it was resolved.

On this server, Ninja Looters will just re-roll after doing it a few times, especially with the faster leveling rate.

This is something the GM's should get involved in, if it is a raid boss.

Come on... leveling is not that fast, and i dont think after doing it even once on a raid mob he will be able to get another raid group again.

[oldfish]

Also, this:

The thing with ninja looting is, what is ninja looting, and what is PVP? If Guild A is dumb enough to leave items on raid mobs and we come in and PVP them out and take the loot is this ninja looting or the spoils of war? If an agreement is not made on loot or there is a dispute, who is right, who is wrong? Is need before greed the default loot policy? Is roll the default? What if someone wants something defaulted but is silent on something else, if item a is defaulted to player a should item b be defaulted to player b? Anything other than blatant ninja looting (everyone agrees roll on loot, player loses and ninjas) seems incredibly grey area to me and likely to just result in a waste of GM resources.
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I am assuming this is perfectly legal but i dont know anymore what i should assume.

What heartbrand underlines here, is why i think GMing should be a mostly hands off approach as much as possible, especially on a pvp server.

The minecraft pvp server im playing has a line about this: "If you can do it, its legal". Of course in EQ theres quit a bit more exploiting to be done than in minecraft, but beside straight up exploits like standing where a raid mob cannot damage you, I think this is a line GMs should live by on red99.

I think the sooner the rules about red are posted the better, so we can debate what works and what doesnt.

[Harrison]

Social consequences, just like the ones cheaters get, right?

[oldfish]

Social consequences, just like the ones cheaters get, right?

Why isnt this troll banned from the forums already? He keeps repeating the same fucking thing over and over and over in every thread.

[William Henry Harrison]

just report him outside of rnf in every thread he posts in and they'll do something

[Chett]

Would like to buy Red99 NoRulezServer.

[Harrison]

Why isnt this troll banned from the forums already? He keeps repeating the same fucking thing over and over and over in every thread.

Answer my question. What social repercussions have occurred? They are entire guilds. There are rules for a reason. You retards are incapable of policing yourselves. You just want free reign, not vigilante justice. You're not fooling anyone.

[oldfish]

And back on ignore he goes

[William Henry Harrison]

reported for flaming outside rnf

[Tassador]

Red 99 no rules little to no GM intervention would be great. Legal Trains, Item loots!Unfortunately, crying happens politics are played and whinners and lobbiest win.

[bakkily]

well there should be some gm intervention, but there shouldnt be a rule for everything, if said person in sol b group ninjas a item from the group, fuck it, kill him

[Harrison]

None is going to listen to a report from a banned mongoloid on account number 63289.

Afraid to try answering my question? That's what I thought.

[Slathar]

This message is hidden because Harrison is on your ignore list.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Red 99 no rules little to no GM intervention would be great. Legal Trains, Item loots!Unfortunately, crying happens politics are played and whinners and lobbiest win.



This


and full loot


so you can then pwn people and take whats rightfully yours

[William Henry Harrison]

should be fighting players for loot not dragons

[Gert Groinwounder]

Social consequences, just like the ones cheaters get, right?

None is going to listen to a report from a banned mongoloid on account number 63289.

Afraid to try answering my question? That's what I thought.

Ok, I'll answer your question.

Right.

You can move along now...

[Flunklesnarkin]

Social consequences, just like the ones cheaters get, right?

None is going to listen to a report from a banned mongoloid on account number 63289.

Afraid to try answering my question? That's what I thought.

Ok, I'll answer your question.

Right.

You can move along now...


I have no idea what you are saying


and im usually pretty good at deciphering 13 year old gibberish

[William Henry Harrison]

those were harrison quotes and the only question in there was "right?"

[Harrison]

What social repercussions have occurred for the masses of caught cheaters?

They were deguilded, ostracized, and chain trained, right?

No? It hasn't?! Your entire argument for trying to ask for the ability to police yourselves has failed already.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Just make harrison a GM already so he can clean up the server



(good idea amirite?)

[Sirken]

there was already a no rules pvp server, and the pop went from 120 to about 30 within a week or two.

and then within 4-6 weeks the server was dead and stagnant except for a few SZ retards that then started complaining about the dwindling population.

the server only slowly began to recover when some common sense rules were reapplied.

(u guys can piss and moan about it all you want, but these are facts. and as facts, they are not disputable).

[oldfish]

What social repercussions have occurred for the masses of caught cheaters?

They were deguilded, ostracized, and chain trained, right?

No? It hasn't?! Your entire argument for trying to ask for the ability to police yourselves has failed already.

Right but they cheat the game, not someone in their own guild.

[oldfish]

there was already a no rules pvp server, and the pop went from 120 to about 30 within a week or two.

and then within 4-6 weeks the server was dead and stagnant except for a few SZ retards that then started complaining about the dwindling population.

the server only slowly began to recover when some common sense rules were reapplied.

(u guys can piss and moan about it all you want, but these are facts. and as facts, they are not disputable).

There is a difference between no rules at all though, and a hands off approach which doesnt mean that there is absolutely no rules. It doesnt have to be lots of rules or no rules at all. There can be a middle ground.

I think ninja looting is one of those instances where matters should be settled by players themselves, along with scamming.

[Sirken]

There is a difference between no rules at all though, and a hands off approach which doesnt mean that there is absolutely no rules. It doesnt have to be lots of rules or no rules at all. There can be a middle ground.

I think ninja looting is one of those instances where matters should be settled by players themselves, along with scamming.

by no rules, i was referring to pvp rules.

things like mq, 4boxxing, exploiting, hacking, was ALWAYS against the rules.

my above post was referring to pvp rules being removed, not all rules

[oldfish]

by no rules, i was referring to pvp rules.

things like mq, 4boxxing, exploiting, hacking, was ALWAYS against the rules.

my above post was referring to pvp rules being removed, not all rules

PVP rules, meaning what?

I mean I mentioned that obvious exploits like finding a spot where a raid mob cant hit you, are the kind of things that should be rule breaking.

[Sirken]

meaning the only things that were illegal at that time were;

3rd party programs
exploiting
hacking
multi-boxxing
RMTing


and it was an absolute death sentence for the server

[oldfish]

I meant what were the rules that were removed?

To me we should be looking at this on a case by case basis, as in rule by rule basis.

I think ninja looting should not be a thing to be suspended over, and part of the spirit of what a hardcore pvp server constitutes of.

You deal with the consequences of your actions, sandbox style.

The quote of heartbrand really nails why it shouldnt be illegal, and i think straightforward ninja looting should not be something GMs interfere with either.

[Vile]

training was basically allowed and the server went to shit

[Nirgon]

meaning the only things that were illegal at that time were;

3rd party programs
exploiting
hacking
multi-boxxing
RMTing


and it was an absolute death sentence for the server

Another point I've agreed with since day 1 of this server even being mentioned.

I'm taking flak from all directions.

Sirken agrees with me, come at me bros.

[Harrison]

You people just want a no rules server so you can be the disgusting, vile, abominations that you really are.

All this talk of "social repercussions" and the like are distractions from that. There are no repercussions on this server for being a piece of shit like there were on live. You won't be blacklisted from guilds. You won't be hunted down and corpse camped. Nothing. You will just be able to go around being a douchebag with your douchebag friends until the server is dead.

[oldfish]

You people just want a no rules server so you can be the disgusting, vile, abominations that you really are.

All this talk of "social repercussions" and the like are distractions from that. There are no repercussions on this server for being a piece of shit like there were on live. You won't be blacklisted from guilds. You won't be hunted down and corpse camped. Nothing. You will just be able to go around being a douchebag with your douchebag friends until the server is dead.

So either

1) You are here to troll the forums to try to drive the population down by painting everyone on the server as a sociopath.

2) You are so fucking stupid that you think that say, lets take the worst guild on the server for the stuff you are talking about, Holocaust. You are that fucking stupid to think that even in Holocaust, if someone loots every piece on a dragon they will cheer him on and probably make him an officer?

Either way, you should find something else to do than waste your fuckin life on these forums.

[Harrison]

If they go and ninja loot other guilds' pieces? Of course they'll be cheered on.

Ninja looting is ninja looting.

Rage more because you can't refute the fact people just want a no rules server to be a shitbag in.

[Nirgon]

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[oldfish]

Why dont you guys ban this fucking idiot? If there was ever a reason to invent a ban button, it was for this guy. You have to fend him off in every thread where he goes on a hyperbole meltdown about how every single player on the server is a scumbag.

Is he here because you moderators think we deserve him?

[CallnOutTheNubs]

Why dont you guys ban this fucking idiot? If there was ever a reason to invent a ban button, it was for this guy. You have to fend him off in every thread where he goes on a hyperbole meltdown about how every single player on the server is a scumbag.

Is he here because you moderators think we deserve him?

Im pretty sure hey keep him around so he can argue with peices of shit like urself for starting such a stupid fucking thread like this when theres bigger things to worry about.

[Amelinda]

Im pretty sure hey keep him around so he can argue with peices of shit like urself for starting such a stupid fucking thread like this when theres bigger things to worry about.

And why do you only post on your troll account?

Hiding something?

[Harrison]

Just make me red 99 GM. Server clean in one banwave.

[Flunklesnarkin]

so much delicious anger in this thread


A+

[fiegi]

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lol'd

[Amuk]

Skipped the thread, seems like it's the average harrison shit fest - forums are boring.

[bakkily]

the rules for this server is fine, if you're having troubles getting lvls, best to join a guild

[steaks6]

if anyone is still curious about this heres how it works

if you ninjaloot something from a full raid you will have to give it back , suspension is UNLIKELY if you give it back

if you ninjaloot from a group or 2 groups or even 3 , item is yours

i can tell you tons of cases from rallos all the way through zek where i spoke with gms

i even saw a bastard troll sk yoink my fabled opalescent and gm did not care at all
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=83187

i did get one a couple hours later but he got it scott free ( and it wasnt easy to camp ) and mob hit for 6k and required super tank + healer

on red99 you can however do anything you want

[Zallar]

i can tell you tons of cases from rallos all the way through zek where i spoke with gms


Sorry, your proof is invalid unless you have a FoH screenshot from Salty.

[Harrison]

Not from salty. Salty has never done anything. You mean Alloria.

[Flowz]

If someone is in range ninja looting shuld be fair game imo, on pvp server anyway, if they are oor then I wouldn't mind seeing the item get taken away, in they are in range u can pvp them ect ect, if they are oor u cant really do anything to them, and we dont want everyone camping out lvl 30's and 35's at every raid boss or contested camp or epic mobs when they get here ( this is mainly just for no drop items anyway isnt it) any dropable item shuld be looted when killed lol to prevent it this.

[Autotune]

I heard Harrison applied to be a guide and got SHOT DOWN!

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/03/19/1226024/630498-plane-shot-down-over-libya.jpg

[Albane]

Harrison makes a great point, but instead of having a discussion about you, you turn this into a RNF against him.

This server is horrible at ostracizing the hackers, boxers, cheaters, trainers, griefers, and all around assholes. Because of this, what makes you think Ninja-looting would be any different? If someone Ninja looted from Nihilum, they would join Holocaust or already be in Holocaust. If someone did the same to Holocaust, they would probably be in or be joining Nihilum.

Some GM intervention is needed to keep the asshole population in check, so the rest of the server can thrive.

[oldfish]

Harrison makes a great point, but instead of having a discussion about you, you turn this into a RNF against him.

This server is horrible at ostracizing the hackers, boxers, cheaters, trainers, griefers, and all around assholes. Because of this, what makes you think Ninja-looting would be any different? If someone Ninja looted from Nihilum, they would join Holocaust or already be in Holocaust. If someone did the same to Holocaust, they would probably be in or be joining Nihilum.

Some GM intervention is needed to keep the asshole population in check, so the rest of the server can thrive.

No, its not a good point.

How many times can a person do this before hes burned? One time to nihilum, outed on the forums, joins holocaust. Does it to holocaust, hes done.

[heartbrand]

Many posts have now been devoted to an issue that isn't even an issue. How many ninja looting threads have there been in reference to an actual issue?

[Flunklesnarkin]

Some GM intervention is needed to keep the asshole population in check, so the rest of the server can thrive.


pfft... thats what your swords are for



enable full loot


quit being a pussy and go take back your shit