Which to Upgrade First?

[ardikus]

The most significant upgrades for me at the moment - a level 46 Monk - are the following:

Thick Banded Belt (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Thick_Banded_Belt) to Flowing Black Silk Sash (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Flowing_Black_Silk_Sash)

OR

Staff of Battle (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Staff_of_Battle) to Imbued Fighters Staff (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Imbued_Fighters_Staff)

Both upgrades cost about 10k - 12k, FBSS perhaps being slightly more expensive than IFS but a bit more common.

FBSS would effectively make my Staff of Battle 31/30 from 31/37, but of course I would lose the 8 ac 15 str from TBB.

I'm going to get both of these items eventually, but my question is: Which is more of an upgrade/which should I purchase first?

[fischsemmel]

Does worn haste affect special attacks' reuse timers?

I'm pretty sure fbss is a marginally better choice in terms of raw autoattack dps, but you are going to be losing 15 str and 8 ac to get it, whereas the rfs is just a pure upgrade. If haste affects your tiger strike and flying kick and whatever though, then it fbss would definitely be the way to go.


Edit - best I could do with a quick search was http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6716 where a few people all say that haste boosts melee special attacks, and no one says it does not.

[Alkorin]

IFS imo. That's almost a 25% upgrade in weapon damage.

Haste doesn't affect skill timers.

[fischsemmel]

That's almost a 25% upgrade in weapon damage.

Can you show me the math on that? :confused:

[Alkorin]

Can you show me the math on that? :confused:

31/37 to 38/40? I know it's early here, so I might be confused, but that definitely looks like damn near 25% to me?

[Mystro]

I'd go with haste IMO.. Every melee class should have 1 haste item, weather it be clicky or worn.. After you get your haste your dps will increase with w/e weapon you have..

Plus, your worn haste will stack with any caster haste so it's win win.

[fischsemmel]

31/37 to 38/40? I know it's early here, so I might be confused, but that definitely looks like damn near 25% to me?

38/40 = .95
31/37 = .838

.95 / .838 = 1.13

I'm not too melee savvy though, so I don't know if there is more to consider. Seems like the 3 more delay on the IFS won't make a big difference for the damage bonus though.

[Alkorin]

Yeah, morning disease hits me for 20000.

13% it is. =p

[fischsemmel]

Lol. It's early for me too, that's why I asked how you got 25% first. Didn't trust myself :)

Sucks that haste doesn't make your flying kick and crap come back up quicker though. FBSS is only like 18% more dps (1 / 1.21) but you do lose 8 ac and 15 str for it. The IFS isn't as big of a raw dps boost, but at least it is a straight upgrade.

[KentalCowtipper]

Have you considered searching out a Peacebringer for sale?
28/30 - .933
The 10 delay difference is huge. Miss once or twice with an IFS or get in low hits (70s) and it really hurts overall dps. Especially with no haste with a 40 delay weapon.

As a monk I tried an IFS at one point and also a peacebringer - which outparsed it.
Little rarer to find than IFS but can usually get for 8-10k when you find it.

[username1337]

38/40 = .95
31/37 = .838

.95 / .838 = 1.13

I'm not too melee savvy though, so I don't know if there is more to consider. Seems like the 3 more delay on the IFS won't make a big difference for the damage bonus though.

Actually, you want percent change.

New Value - Old Value
---------------------
Old Value

Here's the data:
Staff of Battle: 31/37 = .838 ratio
Staff of Battle w/ FBSS: 31/31 = 1 Ratio
Imbued Fighters Staff: 38/40 = .95 ratio

**Calculation for delay reduction for FBSS:
FBSS Haste: 21% = .21
New Staff of Battle Delay = 37 * (1 / (1 + 0.21)) = 30.57.
I don't know if delay is rounded up or floored. I assumed the worst case above.

Upgrade to Imbued Fighters Staff:
.95 - .838
---------- = 13.36% increase in DPS
.838

Upgrade to FBSS:
1 - .838
---------- = 19.33% increase in DPS
.838

However, this is disregarding STR and AC bonus from TBB. I'm not sure how to factor in these benefits into a comparable form.

[fischsemmel]

Think about it like this, Ard:

Staff of battle + fbss = 31/30

IFS + tbb = 38/40 + 8 ac + 15 str

Peacebringer + tbb = 28/30 + 8 ac + 15 str


You'll want an fbss eventually, but for right now it doesn't look like it is any better than going with either the ifs or the peacebringer.

[Autotune]

Peacebringer is nearly the same as a Tstaff until you're high enough to proc Tstaff.


Peacebringer + Haste = win for the money

[fischsemmel]

Actually, you want percent change.

New Value - Old Value
---------------------
Old Value

.95 - .838
---------- = 13.36% increase in DPS
.838

New Value is 13% more than Old Value!
New Value is 113% of Old Value!
Username's post is 2% useful!

:p

[Raavak]

How is this tool for comparing weapons?

DPM Calc (http://hem.passagen.se/grawn/EQDPMCalculator/)

[eqravenprince]

Wu's Quivering Staff would be an upgrade for just 500pp. And then you could still afford the FBSS.

[Radiskull]

Are you in a guild that ever raids Plane of Sky? If not, being 46, I'd recommend following a guild in to Plane of Sky and asking if you could loot a Belt of Tranquility that is rotting. Get a weapon and haste? Win, win, win!

[ardikus]

Are you in a guild that ever raids Plane of Sky? If not, being 46, I'd recommend following a guild in to Plane of Sky and asking if you could loot a Belt of Tranquility that is rotting. Get a weapon and haste? Win, win, win!

Is that really a viable option? How often do guilds raid Plane of Sky, and isn't a key required to enter?

[Llabak]

Is that really a viable option? How often do guilds raid Plane of Sky, and isn't a key required to enter?

Often, and you port up the same way you port to hate. Any particular class's haste belts aren't super common, but if a guild is doing 3 or 4 or 5 islands in a single raid there's a good chance one would drop.

[Adnan]

go fbss and get a peacebringer later on

[ardikus]

Peacebringer is mega heavy, and I'm already stretching max weight with Staff of Battle.

[Yanomamo]

I'd go with the third option of Wu's Quivering and FBSS. This would make your damage/delay something around 23/23, maybe even 23/22. which is definitely going to be better than 38/40 even with a loss in Str and AC. IFS is brutally slow with no haste. Wu's/FBSS will be better than straight Peacebringer too imho.

[Xatava]

IFS confirmed sucks. Don't every buy one over a Peacebringer