ATTN: Red Box Neckbeard Veterans (melee pvp questions for YOU)

[SearyxTZ]

Hail Norrathian Neckbeards.

As you may have heard already, I'm playing on this box once again to help drive off the poopsocking bluebies and compete with [whatever guild Xantille is in].

I am, of course, going to be playing a melee class (Monk, War, or SK) even though the resist system seems like it's going to fuck me directly in the ass since it hands out roots and snares like free candy.

That brings me to my list of questions for you all who have actually been playing for a while:

1.) Are Monks completely fucking worthless in PvP + easily rooted even when wearing flat resist gear? (Note that FD training does not count as PvP)

2.) Are Warriors better? Does the ogre stun immunity work on this box?

3.) SKs? (I'm assuming they are the strongest)

4.) Starting stats? I've heard that DEX actually affects hit rate here? (not classic, btw)



Thanks pals. May Brad look over you in your travels.

Also, please PL me or sell me newbie shit. I have 300pp. :)

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[Lazortag]

Frontal stun immunity does work for ogres, but you can still get interrupted by being pushed (which is classic).

[Salty]

Bash's interrupt your casting as a Ogre Shaman.

NPCs bash on first round. You will get stunned the message after "Bashes you"

[Lazortag]

Bash's interrupt your casting as a Ogre Shaman.


Not from the front...

[Zalaerian]

Melee is an investment till Kunark. Go monk. Go all dex. Profit when kunark hits. Until then, just train fear like old Heresy TZT days.

[steaks6]

yea make an ogre war for pvp , will go real well

you will quit before level 12

[Bkab]

i can't see you playing anything other than a melee searyx.. monks are pretty weak atm, even in dungeons i have no trouble killing one with the way root and shit lands. they are decent dps but still they are kinda gimped until kunark. being able to fd is always fun tho, i think you should go sk if you can deal with a little slower leveling (still fast compared to what i had to go through lol).

[Lulz Sect]

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[Salty]

Not from the front...

Yes, from the front, ogres do infact get stunned on this server

[Lazortag]

Yes, from the front, ogres do infact get stunned on this server

Not from the front. Please stop posting.

[steaks6]

lazorfag

[Giovanni]

I will go oom trying to nuke down a naked blue con melee as a level 38 shaman before they die with the current pvp damage system. Alternatively, melees have very little chance to kill me as well.

[SearyxTZ]

Shamans use nukes in PvP?

[Giovanni]

Spells are a lot different than vztz. Nukes always hit for full damage on here. However, damage is much less than vztz on an overall basis. For instance, the level 19 shaman dot does 6 dmg per tick in pvp (multiple by 2/3 for pvp). Dots become very viable at the high levels, but you aren't dropping anyone before they zone or gate with dots alone at low levels.

[gloinz]

Shamans use nukes in PvP?

[Null]

Spells are a lot different than vztz. Nukes always hit for full damage on here. However, damage is much less than vztz on an overall basis. For instance, the level 19 shaman dot does 6 dmg per tick in pvp (multiple by 2/3 for pvp). Dots become very viable at the high levels, but you aren't dropping anyone before they zone or gate with dots alone at low levels.

They do not always hit for full damage...

[Reikerx]

Okay Mr. Technical, 97% of the time.

[Null]

Okay Mr. Technical, 97% of the time.

don't make me go all charts and graphs on you

[jeffd]

aw shiiiiiiit

[SearyxTZ]

Null I just did this math pal

With a Monk, magic resist:


Casual: 53 (jc bracers + neck, splitpaw mask)
High End: 124 (jacinth rings, tranix crown, shiverback gloves, rakusha cloak, bd earrings)



I'm pretty sure that's actually where they max out - 125'ish. And that's a very difficult 125 to obtain, where you are sacrificing hps / other resists.

Can anyone here who actually plays a 35+ Monk, Rogue, or Warrior comment?

The way I see it is: if I can be reliably snared or rooted as a monk wearing resist gear, then no way in hell am I playing one here. That isn't classic (tm), and melee already had a tough time in classic. I'd go SK if anything.

[Morninx]

stop traffic...

Hail Norrathian Neckbeards.

As you may have heard already, I'm playing on this box once again...

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[Flowz]

Null I just did this math pal

With a Monk, magic resist:


Casual: 53 (jc bracers + neck, splitpaw mask)
High End: 124 (jacinth rings, tranix crown, shiverback gloves, rakusha cloak, bd earrings)



I'm pretty sure that's actually where they max out - 125'ish. And that's a very difficult 125 to obtain, where you are sacrificing hps / other resists.

Can anyone here who actually plays a 35+ Monk, Rogue, or Warrior comment?

The way I see it is: if I can be reliably snared or rooted as a monk wearing resist gear, then no way in hell am I playing one here. That isn't classic (tm), and melee already had a tough time in classic. I'd go SK if anything.

was chain rooted by a mage pet with 77 mr at 29 althought the mage was yellow i would go to dispell it and it would drop, soon as it droped was rooted again so im kinda glad i didnt waste the dispell on it anyway, but i dont expect anything to change, i just hope in kunark once all the casters start bitching they dont change it again to make it land.

[Gongshow]

Monk is best.

Sincerely,
Gongshow
Alpha Monk
Number 1 PVPer, friend, player and all around swell person

[Herb9]

Short answer is choose SK.

[Knuckle]

get someone to PL you. ive got a druid PL inc in a few days going to do big things on human warrior knukkle

[Vile]

get someone to PL you. ive got a druid PL inc in a few days going to do big things on human warrior knukkle

let me ride your wave bro

[Arillious]

Going sk is your best bet. Have you considered paladin? With stuns/root landing pretty consistently, they actually are not terrible. Plus, no racial exp penalty.

Sk's still best dungeon melee/hybrid because of invis and FD.

[Hovis]

Null I just did this math pal

With a Monk, magic resist:


Casual: 53 (jc bracers + neck, splitpaw mask)
High End: 124 (jacinth rings, tranix crown, shiverback gloves, rakusha cloak, bd earrings)



I'm pretty sure that's actually where they max out - 125'ish. And that's a very difficult 125 to obtain, where you are sacrificing hps / other resists.

Can anyone here who actually plays a 35+ Monk, Rogue, or Warrior comment?

The way I see it is: if I can be reliably snared or rooted as a monk wearing resist gear, then no way in hell am I playing one here. That isn't classic (tm), and melee already had a tough time in classic. I'd go SK if anything.

I am currently playing a level 31 monk---
in the small pvp ive experienced as of now (on this server) monks are actually pretty good ~~

yes the resists are pretty fucked right now but i have around 58 MR unbuffed and i resist a decent amount of roots and snares in pvp.

monks are terrible before lvl 30 -- flying kick helps A LOT (as you probably already know)
however with the current system (unlike vztz) STR seems to help a lot and dex of course)

i followed the p99 wiki for stats and i seem to be putting out a good amount of damage -- i have about 110 STR/120dex/115 agi self buffed

i would say i land my hits ~~70% of the time in pve/pvp (guesstimate)
FD on this server is a lot better -- instant wipe on FD (pressuming it didnt fail - unlike on vztz you would have to wait about 2minutes for the forgotten message.)

Hope this helps big Searyx~

-Jakkt

[SamwiseRed]

stop traffic...

she seems a bit manish

[bamzal]

she seems a bit manish

hey i'm stil planning on using this later...

[SearyxTZ]

Thanks for the feedback thus far.

I got this PM.

If you go monk, don't even attempt MR stacking and just go with +health and carry pumices. You won't even notice roots resists starting til 80+ MR or higher. I am 50 with 105 MR and I resist maybe 2/3s? High level gems are very difficult to come by currently.

Warrior could get a solid enough MR(130+ buffed) with reasonable gear to probably be a lot of fun in a group.

Anyhow, that is the kind of resist curve you will be looking at on here. You end up relying on active dispelling rather than passive resisting. I'm sure you are familiar with the ups and downs of melee PvP otherwise.

gl

This just sounds awful tbh if resist gear isn't even worthwhile. Pumice stone meta. Pumice were reserved for dispelling magic DoTs in classic. EQ never needed cc landing because it's never going to be balanced + the PvP was always about using the environment to dodge or stick to people. It's not WoW. I would rather see ice comets land for full constantly than get tagged by 1.5 sec ensnare or immobilize.

NULL

MAEK CLASSIC

OR I WILL PLAY SHADOW KNIGHT TILL FORUM IS FILLED WITH NERF SHADOW KNIGHT TEARS (CLINGING DARKNESS LANDED ON MY 120 MR QQ)

[Lazortag]

was chain rooted by a mage pet with 77 mr at 29 althought the mage was yellow i would go to dispell it and it would drop, soon as it droped was rooted again so im kinda glad i didnt waste the dispell on it anyway, but i dont expect anything to change, i just hope in kunark once all the casters start bitching they dont change it again to make it land.

Unfortunately the earth pet root is way harder to resist than regular root. At lower levels it's almost unbearable. With 77 MR you will resist regular roots a lot more often (this isn't to say I think resists are great right now, but MR does have noticeable effects at higher amounts).

[Null]

Thanks for the feedback thus far.

I got this PM.



This just sounds awful tbh if resist gear isn't even worthwhile. Pumice stone meta. Pumice were reserved for dispelling magic DoTs in classic. EQ never needed cc landing because it's never going to be balanced + the PvP was always about using the environment to dodge or stick to people. It's not WoW. I would rather see ice comets land for full constantly than get tagged by 1.5 sec ensnare or immobilize.

NULL

MAEK CLASSIC

OR I WILL PLAY SHADOW KNIGHT TILL FORUM IS FILLED WITH NERF SHADOW KNIGHT TEARS (CLINGING DARKNESS LANDED ON MY 120 MR QQ)

All I hear is nerf clinging darkness in 2 months.

[SearyxTZ]

ur so dreamy

[Amuk]

I've already spammed it Searyx but it got ignored - it's pretty bush pvp TBH. Don't roll a pure melee, well a warrior can work if you have support since sitting on a rooted war is fail anyway.

Rogue/Monk out of the question unless u want to train/wait for kunark.

[Nirgon]

Well Seary, given that Xant is a monk this time, you might have to roll a warrior for a role reversal. Pro melees don't need spells.

[Hughman]

Null I just did this math pal

With a Monk, magic resist:
Casual: 53 (jc bracers + neck, splitpaw mask)
High End: 124 (jacinth rings, tranix crown, shiverback gloves, rakusha cloak, bd earrings)
I'm pretty sure that's actually where they max out - 125'ish. And that's a very difficult 125 to obtain, where you are sacrificing hps / other resists.

Can anyone here who actually plays a 35+ Monk, Rogue, or Warrior comment?

As a 50 warrior I have 134 unbuffed(no resist rings). I still get rooted/snared/mezzed about 15-20% of the time (just my random guess).

[Harrison]

That sounds about right.

At about 150 you should start getting hit under 15%

[Slathar]

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[Bkab]

lol like harrisons fatass knows shit about resist rates when this scrub hasn't even made it past level 10 good 1 bro

[Vile]

This message is hidden because Harrison is on your ignore list.

[Amuk]

That sounds about right.

At about 150 you should start getting hit under 15%

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