Ragefire Rotation agreed to Tuesday night 2/21

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Aata of Taken, Sanluen of BDA, Coldblooded of VD, Xeli of TMO, Nirron of IB, and I met last night to work up a rotation for Ragefire.

The obvious benefits to all parties are some rough foreknowledge of when camping/tracking is needed and eliminating the need to "click air" and risk losing pearls.

We all agreed that the Ragefire currently about to spawn would be for Emmdano (VD) and that the rotation would start up with the next spawn.

The first trip through the rotation would be Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, IB, TMO.
Subsequent iterations would be Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, TMO, IB.

We agreed to revisit the arrangement after 3 passes through the rotation if there were no major problems. Sooner, if problems arise.

I agreed to post the full details of the agreement in the Raid Guild Discussion forum as soon as I get access (which I don't have yet). This post would then be the tracking mechanism.

I am posting this just as a notice to people who have not yet learned of the meeting.

Also, there is a provision for allowing others into the rotation.

[ElanoraBryght]

All 6 guilds represented there, including TMO (Xeli), agreed to this.

Xeli was picked by Zeelot to handle this.

[Mon Feb 20 01:54:37 2012] You told Zeelot, 're: Ragefire, is it ou or Xeli we need to talk to'
[Mon Feb 20 02:01:07 2012] Zeelot tells you, 'xeli'

[Autotune]

you leaders/officers take your sweet time putting this into effect.

[Metallikus]

TMO off early suspension and already clicking air in the lair, what a surprise.

[Autotune]

What a surprise, you don't start a rotation and people come click air.


It's either a rotation or it's not. Someone needed to choose. I already sent fair warning, no one wanted to listen.

Guess what, no one can do anything about it either, you retards pushed for a new ruling.

GG.

[Metallikus]

What a surprise, you don't start a rotation and people come click air.


It's either a rotation or it's not. Someone needed to choose. I already sent fair warning, no one wanted to listen.

Guess what, no one can do anything about it either, you retards pushed for a new ruling.

GG.

Being serious. What is wrong with you stealin? An agreement was reached, its posted, what ruling do you speak of?

[Extunarian]

you leaders/officers take your sweet time putting this into effect.

There have been exactly 0 ragefires between the time that you called for an agreement, and an agreement being reached. So I guess I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[Raavak]

Wait, when does the rotation start anyway?

[Extunarian]

Wait, when does the rotation start anyway?


We all agreed that the Ragefire currently about to spawn would be for Emmdano (VD) and that the rotation would start up with the next spawn.

[Autotune]

so the rotation has started now or not? that is the question.

[Szeth]

Having no attachment now... /popcorn

[Autotune]

why i said to put my shit into action. This is the problem with the leaders/officers.

All the normal players have had their say taken away, wording is chosen poorly and people don't know wtf is going on.

[Metallikus]

why i said to put my shit into action. This is the problem with the leaders/officers.

All the normal players have had their say taken away, wording is chosen poorly and people don't know wtf is going on.

EVERYONE KNOWS what is going on. You chose to act stupid so that you can somehow get away with being a jerk.

[Metallikus]

case in point:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2451&stc=1&d=1330010614

[Autotune]

case in point:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2451&stc=1&d=1330010614

doesn't work and i haven't a clue.

Your guild leader wouldn't deal with me because i wasn't an officer/leader.

[Szeth]

Stealin' is P99's Omar. He's a raging homosexual but damned if anyone wants to tussle with him.

[Bruman]

so the rotation has started now or not? that is the question.

VD gets this spawn, then the rotation order listed above starts, as has been stated a couple of times.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Stealin confirmed hugest troll on P99. Pushed for rotation, reps from guilds agreed on rotation and next Ragefire goes to Emmdano, TMO immediately breaks agreement once their suspension lifted. Congrats, TMO trolled us all. Shame on us for believing they were sincere.

[DigglesVersion2.0]

TMO off early suspension and already clicking air in the lair, what a surprise.

Metallikus you mad bro? No donals or epic for you. L2P noob

[Autotune]

I was sincere and i'd kill this fucking vendor too. You retards made it so i couldn't tho. So, oh well. I'm just watching all the drama now.

I think the wording is funny tho.

It says the rotation doesn't start until after this spawn

and it says this one goes to VD by being agreed upon.


I'm not a cleric, i can't click air and i can't kill the vendor. This doesn't affect me, just clerics.

[Wotsirb401]

Metallikus you mad bro? No donals or epic for you. L2P noob

He actually has an epic , but nice try

[Szeth]

Buy a 60 cleric without an epic Stealin. It's not too late!

[axius]

i haven't a clue.

godamn you are daft

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'm not a cleric, i can't click air and i can't kill the vendor. This doesn't affect me, just clerics.

Funny how you were all interested yesterday, when you were using the Ragefire situation to further your troll agenda. Then an actual agreement is reached by the guilds, Emmdano's time already at the camp was respected, and Divinity had the next slot so Ninik could get hers, and there was a rotation.

Then TMO got their raid suspension lifted and went back to full retard, breaking the agreement and clicking air. You have zero credibility. Xeli has zero credibility. Going forward, don't wonder why anyone won't deal with anyone but Zeelot on this sort of thing. Coldblooded was right, she should have insisted dealing only with Zeelot. Metallikus was right, the mysterious benevolence from TMO lasted exactly until they were cleared to raid.

Can't wait to hear the spin on this one.

[DigglesVersion2.0]

He actually has an epic , but nice try

aww how cute, metallikus boyfriend coming out to defend him. Baddies gonna rage i guess...

[Labyrrinth]

Wait.. has the agreement actually been broken yet? Or is everyone just spouting out shit because they "think" it might be broken?

[DigglesVersion2.0]

Ranger confirmed mad

Funny how you were all interested yesterday, when you were using the Ragefire situation to further your troll agenda. Then an actual agreement is reached by the guilds, Emmdano's time already at the camp was respected, and Divinity had the next slot so Ninik could get hers, and there was a rotation.

Then TMO got their raid suspension lifted and went back to full retard, breaking the agreement and clicking air. You have zero credibility. Xeli has zero credibility. Going forward, don't wonder why anyone won't deal with anyone but Zeelot on this sort of thing. Coldblooded was right, she should have insisted dealing only with Zeelot. Metallikus was right, the mysterious benevolence from TMO lasted exactly until they were cleared to raid.

Can't wait to hear the spin on this one.

[Wotsirb401]

aww how cute, metallikus boyfriend coming out to defend him. Baddies gonna rage i guess...

We are boyfriend/boyfriend , dont be jealous =)

[Labyrrinth]

Wait.. has the agreement actually been broken yet? Or is everyone just spouting out shit because they "think" it might be broken?

Or (seriously trying to follow what's going on here) is the argument now that there was never an agreement,, until VD found out that TMO was no longer banned and they then rushed to post an agreement for a rotation?

[Autotune]

Funny how you were all interested yesterday, when you were using the Ragefire situation to further your troll agenda. Then an actual agreement is reached by the guilds, Emmdano's time already at the camp was respected, and Divinity had the next slot so Ninik could get hers, and there was a rotation.

Then TMO got their raid suspension lifted and went back to full retard, breaking the agreement and clicking air. You have zero credibility. Xeli has zero credibility. Going forward, don't wonder why anyone won't deal with anyone but Zeelot on this sort of thing. Coldblooded was right, she should have insisted dealing only with Zeelot. Metallikus was right, the mysterious benevolence from TMO lasted exactly until they were cleared to raid.

Can't wait to hear the spin on this one.
you're fucking dense.

I tried to get the rotation in place before our suspension got lifted, VD didn't want it in place until after.

I didn't know our suspension was getting lifted until about 8hrs before it did.

Now, instead of one having already been in place before hand, it's getting put up after the suspension, when our clerics can click the air. I've already voiced my disgust with it towards them

But like I said, nothing i can do about any of it now. Greedy fucks will be greedy fucks, regardless of guild tags.

[Maultriss]

Or (seriously trying to follow what's going on here) is the argument now that there was never an agreement,, until VD found out that TMO was no longer banned and they then rushed to post an agreement for a rotation?

Dumesh posted it. Dumesh is the leader of Divinity. VD agreed to the rotation when it was on the table. Time was taken for Dumesh to put it on the p99 guild forum (he said he was waiting for it to be unlocked) and then it would be posted on p99 server chat. Everyone knows there WAS a rotation. As far as VD is concerned there still is a rotation if TMO does not click their pearl on Ragefire. We'll see if he pops and then we'll see if they abide by the rotation.

[Maultriss]

I'm sorry Stealin, but that isn't true. 2 days ago we were given 5 minutes to come up with our answer during the meeting and we gave it. You can spin it all you want but the leading clerics and leaders know it was agreed to and created.

[Autotune]

I'm sorry Stealin, but that isn't true. 2 days ago we were given 5 minutes to come up with our answer during the meeting and we gave it. You can spin it all you want but the leading clerics and leaders know it was agreed to and created.

who gave you 5mins to come up with an answer?

I said give the power to the players to do a rotation

your guildleader said /guildstatus stealin

get xeli/zeelot to talk to me.


Again, I don't know what was said in the rotation deal, I haven't seen xeli or talked to zeelot about it.

Then you want to talk to me about trolling? Fucking stupid again. I did everything i could to get one set up before our clerics could even go down there. The only thing i got in return is about how it was unfair for VD to agree to one while TMO/IB were suspended because it meant they might not get as many as the other guilds(lilyanna's words).

Blame me if you want, i'm sick of your guild and some of mine now. 0fucks.

[Bruman]

Yeah, the agreement was reached 2 evenings ago. It was just wasn't posted here until today.

[Maultriss]

I never implied you were trolling. I said "spin it", as in trying to find a way around what was agreed to be everyone involved. That seems to now be in jeopardy. Not sure why. VD was not in charge of posting this agreement to the public.

[ElanoraBryght]

Stealin you as a member do not have the power to make an agreement that binds your entire guild to a rotation.

Zeelot does. Zeelot told me Xeli was the person he was delegating that authority to.

The agreement Xeli approved was reached Tuesday night, and was not based on TMO's suspension. Xeli / TMO agreed they would not get a Ragefire until the 7th spawn.

[Autotune]

I never implied you were trolling. I said "spin it", as in trying to find a way around what was agreed to be everyone involved. That seems to now be in jeopardy. Not sure why. VD was not in charge of posting this agreement to the public.

Plenty of your guild has stated i was trolling, never was.

They wanted the leaders/officers involved, but complain when leaders/officers go back on their word.

I wanted players to make the choice, set it up. Why? cause if you have one rogue cleric fucking it up for everyone, then you have their own guildmates bitching at them and the leader can't say anything. It's just the way it is. I'm not sure all our clerics agree that clicking is the way to go, but considering they were never given a voice to begin with, what makes you think they will speak up now?

Again, blame me all you want. If our cleric/s break the agreement, i hope they never out click anyone.

[Autotune]

Stealin you as a member do not have the power to make an agreement that binds your entire guild to a rotation.

Zeelot does. Zeelot told me Xeli was the person he was delegating that authority to.

The agreement Xeli approved was reached Tuesday night, and was not based on TMO's suspension. Xeli / TMO agreed they would not get a Ragefire until the 7th spawn.

And this is my case and point of what is wrong and why this won't work.


Take your members voices away from them and let others decide, that way when something fucks up, they don't feel inclined to speak up. After all, they never had a choice in the matter.

[ElanoraBryght]

My members had a voice in the matter.
If TMO's members didn't, and TMO can't enforce agreements they enter into because of that, TMO should not enter agreements - or waste other guilds time by making them.

[Srs Not Ames]

Who even gives a shit?

[Autotune]

Who even gives a shit?

This would be a good time for one of those "if this were Red99" posts.

[maverixdamighty]

Hopefully the rest of tmo will not support ant rogue clerics in a possible attempt to ruin this rotation. I completely disagree about leaving the decision to the players and not leadership. If you don't trust your leaders why would you even be in the guild?

[Szeth]

ALL ABOUT DEM PIXELZ BRO

[Autotune]

Hopefully the rest of tmo will not support ant rogue clerics in a possible attempt to ruin this rotation. I completely disagree about leaving the decision to the players and not leadership. If you don't trust your leaders why would you even be in the guild?

It doesn't matter now I suppose. The plan/rotation I was putting in place would have went flawlessly. It took into account more than most people will/would ever know.

The new rotation isn't working because of a few things. It's unfortunate, but I seen it coming. Our guild doesn't like VD, plain and simple and for good reason.


As far as atm, I don't plan to help any of them. If they lose their pearl to a click fest, oh well, should have thought about the consequences imo.

[maverixdamighty]

You are contradicting yourself though. Saying you want a rotation but it'll never work with vd in it?

[Autotune]

You are contradicting yourself though. Saying you want a rotation but it'll never work with vd in it?

no, you misread.

If you stop and think about the rotation i had, with the suspensions in place, with who was leading it off and the guilds following. It is kinda obvious how it would have played out, even if our suspension was lifted now and Ninik was in the lair.

Look at how things turned out now tho.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Wait.. has the agreement actually been broken yet? Or is everyone just spouting out shit because they "think" it might be broken?



http://i.imgur.com/1U1zM.jpg

I suppose it could be just a bunch of TMO clerics with absolutely nothing better to do than to troll VD. Nothing surprises me about TMO anymore, really.

[maverixdamighty]

So why did your leadership agree to it? Did they already know their suspension was going to be cut short and wanted to stir the pot?

[Autotune]

So why did your leadership agree to it? Did they already know their suspension was going to be cut short and wanted to stir the pot?

no, we didn't know when i started putting the rotation idea out there.

I also have no idea why our leadership agreed to whatever they did. I was not included in the talks, Coldblooded made sure to that. I suppose i'm not as wise as the rest of the retards with a higher /guildstatus. Like I said, I haven't seen/talked to either of them about anything regarding this new rotation. I can see exactly why it's not working tho.

[Aata]

We did all agree Emmdano should have this rage because of the time they'd already put in, Ninik will be next and if the rotation folds, what then? Thought we all wanted her to get her epic asap? I'm missing the issues here please explain? What's wrong with the rotation? I can't talk for other guilds but we are happy not to be clicking air with the other guilds.

[Bruman]

All the guilds agreed to it two nights ago.

If TMO clerics are breaking the agreement that the TMO representative agreed to, then TMO needs to disband it's clerics and / or not send the guild to help them actually kill the mob.

This is ridiculous. Quit being fucking babies.

[Maultriss]

I'm confused too because the only thing that has changed, is TMO is no longer barred from touch Ragefire. Otherwise, it was going as planned an nobody was there except for a few taken/divinity just checking in. It was peaceful.

[Bruman]

I'm pretty sure they had their suspension lifted, then a handful thought "hey lets go fuck with VD".

Which will pretty much ruin the rotation before it gets started, because VD is likely to respond to childishness with more childishness.

[Glitterati]

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm pretty disgusted that we all came together and made an agreement and 2 days later it means nothing to some people.

[Maultriss]

VD is sitting here waiting to see if they are actually going to do this. If it is broken, *I* think VD should help maintain the rotation by helping each other. When it is, say, Divinity's turn all of our clerics click knowing if we lose our pearl, it is going to whatever Divinity cleric needs it. Then, in turn, that divinity cleric puts their pearl into the pot. The chances of a rotation guild getting a pearl turn in is higher when we work together to keep our portion of the rotation going and fair.

[maximum]

I move to LOCK this post, and delete all replies.

[Aata]

I understand some guilds have issues with each other but at the end of the day a break in the rotation hurts the guilds the most that don't currently have an epic, waiting hours on end for the damn thing to spawn is bad enough but having to stay there clicking is absolutely ridiculous.

[YendorLootmonkey]

If TMO breaks this agreement, its clear they don't care at all about the server community. I propose the leaders from each guild represented in this rotation strongly urge their guildmembers to not group with, rez, trade with, talk to, buff, or otherwise help or interact with anyone with a TMO tag. If they want to pretend like the rest of the server doesn't exist, it is up to us to make that a reality for them.

[Szeth]

I hope the Taken cleric who "doesn't like IB" never gets an epic.

Just sayin

[Perun]

If TMO breaks this agreement, its clear they don't care at all about the server community. I propose the leaders from each guild represented in this rotation strongly urge their guildmembers to not group with, rez, trade with, talk to, buff, or otherwise help or interact with anyone with a TMO tag. If they want to pretend like the rest of the server doesn't exist, it is up to us to make that a reality for them.

Yendor my child lets not pretend that it isnt all about us.. Remember just recently when we caused a guild to wipe in pofear while being raid suspended so you guys could come in and walk over their corpses and take the draco:o

[Lazortag]

Hi guys, let's all calm down a bit. I'm pretty sure TMO as an entity is not intending to break the agreement. It's rumoured that a few members of their guild might, but I wouldn't be so worried about that either. Emmdano gets his ragefire 8 hours from now at the most, which is something I think we can all live with. 8 hours of waiting is not going to hurt anyone. Breaking the agreement would, however, hurt lots of people. For a cleric from any guild to successfully ninja a ragefire, their guild has to be able to kill ragefire... so all TMO's leadership has to do is just agree not to kill a ragefire that is the product of a ninja'd pearl, and let whoever's turn it is kill it instead. Considering they agreed to the rotation, I think they'd agree to not facilitate their own cleric breaking the rotation. So there's nothing to worry about - no one individual can kill this agreement.

[baub]

Stealin calm down bro, Jaed is a 3/10 on her best day anyways. People like that can wait their turn.

[Autotune]

Stealin calm down bro, Jaed is a 3/10 on her best day anyways. People like that can wait their turn.

need more shaman pet asses to deposit those pearls in, you should totally go and help Jaed find it imo.

[Szeth]

Ragefiire can be 3 manned.

[Joyelle]

I hope the Taken cleric who "doesn't like IB" never gets an epic.

Just sayin

which one would this be?

[AenarieFenninRo]

The first trip through the rotation would be Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, IB, TMO.
Subsequent iterations would be Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, TMO, IB.


So, with IB being gone, do they just get dropped from the rotation now... and where do we currently stand, I heard rumor that Divinity got theirs today so is it now BDA's turn?

Someone needs to keep this post up to date as changes in the server happen / guilds get their epics so that everyone is always aware who's turn it is etc.

[eadric]

Yes, Divinity got Ragefire last night. BDA is currently in Nagafen's lair awaiting the next spawn.

[Harrison]

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm pretty disgusted that we all came together and made an agreement and 2 days later it means nothing to some people.

Remember when we all came together to make a non-poopsock agreement a LONG time ago and TMO(Then it was Fishbait, DA, whatever...same shit different stink all in the same place now anyways)ignored it and just did whatever they wanted?

This is the same shit.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Someone needs to keep this post up to date as changes in the server happen / guilds get their epics so that everyone is always aware who's turn it is etc.I actually made a new post this morning letting everyone know BDA was up and Taken is on deck (in additon to PMing BDA's guildleader and in game communucation). Shit's under control.

[ElanoraBryght]

Ragefire down somewhere around 3/3 4:27pm(ish?) est to BdA.

Gratz!

Taken up next.

[ElanoraBryght]

Requested a sticky on this without realizing how much crap there was between OP and the reply.

Could this either be cleaned up, or a legit tracking post made?
Thanks!

[Zeelot]

So, with IB being gone, do they just get dropped from the rotation now... and where do we currently stand, I heard rumor that Divinity got theirs today so is it now BDA's turn?

Someone needs to keep this post up to date as changes in the server happen / guilds get their epics so that everyone is always aware who's turn it is etc.

As far as I am aware, the IB slot no longer exists so the rotation is: Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, TMO.

Subsequent iterations will be: Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, TMO.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

As far as I am aware, the IB slot no longer exists so the rotation is: Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, TMO.

Subsequent iterations will be: Divinity, BDA, Taken, VD, TMO.

^^ this