Rules and Etiquette for interacting with server staff

[Amelinda]

Please read this post:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65643

And i have a few additional statements for my Redpals.

These are in no particular order beyond the order I think of them:

1. Quit being jerkwads and training each other. Just because you get mad at X guild does not mean you have the right to train. Don't be surprised when I see a fraps of you training and it's undeniable in my eyes and i stick you with an appropriate suspension. Don't come crying to me when you made your perfectly lumpy mob filled bed. Go lay in it for a week or so.

2. Quit assuming that i don't know how to play this video game. I've been around EQ for about 13 years on and off. I know how shit works. If I say I feel something is a valid tactic that doesn't mean I was manipulated into it It doesn't mean anyone else has even talked to me about it. I have my own mind and i'm perfectly capable of making my own decisions. I'm also very strong-willed so trying to berate me over to your side of the fence/decision just isn't going to work. Feel free to make a post in petitions/exploits if you disagree with my thought process and try to sway me or ask me for a time we can discuss it but please don't invade IRC demanding to talk right then or harrass me in game and basically call me stupid :(.

It's like in fear last night: I said it's a valid tactic to set off cazic's DT cycle to cause the opposing raid force to have to camp and i'm bitched at that this is the equivalent of training? Get real. This has been valid on blue since forever and as far as i'm concerned i see no reason it shouldn't be valid.

Now: in saying that. Nihilum: your bullshit tactic of sending in one player at a time to set off the cycle and fuck over holocausts full raid is exactly that: bullshit tactics. THAT will get you in trouble. Either zone in your entire raid and take equal DT's like men or don't use this tactic. Period.

Holocaust: Just because you don't agree with a ruling DOES NOT Give you the right to turn around and train another guild. I don't know if that happened. Heard reports it did. Haven't looked into it because I'm not a cyborg. I need to sleep. I have a boyfriend. I have kids. I HAVE A RIGHT TO TIME OUTSIDE OF THIS GAME.

Now. EVERYONE who is misbehaving....grow up and act like the upstanding redpals that i Know you are.

Thank you :)

[Slathar]

Nihilum: your bullshit tactic of sending in one player at a time to set off the cycle and fuck over holocausts full raid is exactly that: bullshit tactics. THAT will get you in trouble. Either zone in your entire raid and take equal DT's like men or don't use this tactic. Period.



That would require them to zone in thus getting destroyed in PvP with superior numbers. They'll keep doing it, because Nizzarr has to pay rent via his RMT sales of platinum, rare gems, and items. Fear offers a new revenue stream for him.

[nerfed]

Thread already trolled. But seriously we are not going to zone in and have a monk fd the train he is kiting on us. We have been trained on just about every naggy kill so you can see why we are cynical about anything being done about trains since nothing has been for months.

[Nirgon]

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[Billbike]

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[Nirgon]

YOU LEAVE US NO CHOICE! NO TV FOR A WEEK!

WHAT!!?!? ARE YOU HIGH!?!?!


(Gongshow left, Troriste right)

[Arillious]

A clear and concise list needed to be compiled of what is and what is not allowed regarding raid encounters. No room for gray area.

[Darwoth]

this is why a hands off approach is needed concerning player interactions.

this subjective interpretation deal is just pissing off more people than if staff were to merely say "whelp, your on your own"

[nerfed]

List doesn't matter if it's not policed. Need more gms. Currently all you have to do is wait for amelinda's bed time then everything is fair game.

[Nirgon]

If people want to be pieces of shit and do this stuff just let them lie in the bed they make like you say.

Let the dogs off the leash! Time to tear it up!

People will come back BEGGING for this to stop.

[Nirgon]

List doesn't matter if it's not policed. Need more gms. Currently all you have to do is wait for amelinda's bed time then everything is fair game.

-> Come in one at a time setting off CT's aggro list.

-> get shit on

-> cry

[Albane]

It's like in fear last night: I said it's a valid tactic to set off cazic's DT cycle to cause the opposing raid force to have to camp and i'm bitched at that this is the equivalent of training? Get real. This has been valid on blue since forever and as far as i'm concerned i see no reason it shouldn't be valid.

Now: in saying that. Nihilum: your bullshit tactic of sending in one player at a time to set off the cycle and fuck over holocausts full raid is exactly that: bullshit tactics. THAT will get you in trouble. Either zone in your entire raid and take equal DT's like men or don't use this tactic. Period.



Holocaust did this to Nihilum for hours yesterday while Nihilum cleared all of PoF. You are saying it is a valid tactic. I did not know Nihilum was doing this back to Holocaust later, when Holocaust went in to keep PoF cleared (since the work of breaking the zone was done for them). But when Nihilum does it, it is against your rules?

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

As Nerfed said, you have been watching Holocaust train Nihilum in every Nagafen raid that has taken place. We know you have seen it, and yet you have done nothing about it. Nihilum has learned to counter their training strat, and then suddenly you care about training?

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

You cannot be wishy washy about decisions and still expect respect.

Either training is legal or illegal and you will enforce the rules if it is illegal. But don't say it is allowed for Guild X to train, but when Guild Y does it you berate them.

[Nirgon]

We never set Cazic off with single members constantly or even when we zoned in and you all left. Granted I wasn't there right when the server opened because you know... I have a job and pay taxes for some of you guys.

My suggestion is you keep your bluebie "lol we set off CT" shit out of here.


PS: Be VERY careful what you wish for with this Cazic rule. I ran a plan by Amelinda we hatched that would make you collectively shit your drawers. No one would be able to raid fear.

[SamwiseRed]

Nirgon has single handedly changed my view of holocaust. This guild I once considered evil is now our servers only hope at a balanced endgame. Except the holo necro who trains specs on news in oasis, these guys are becoming heroes

[Nirgon]

You give me a list of people who trained newbies and I'll make a Holocaust kill shot thread.

Before the Nihilums jump in, I mean non lvl 50 newbies.

[Lulz Sect]

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[Nirgon]

As Nerfed said, you have been watching Holocaust train Nihilum in every Nagafen raid that has taken place.

She's no dumb bell and I get little nuggets of "wow she ain't dumb" each time I talk to her. I'm surprised time and again whenever I get a blurb back that isn't the AFK shield.

Tell you what, I'll blatantly train you in fear with Amelinda watching and take the week suspension to prove she'll do it.



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[Amelinda]

in my expreience: lots of end game players like to do shit that they think is under the radar and then cry when the exact same thing is done to them. happens on blue and red.

as for seeing trains and not doing anything about them - how do you know i didn't? because there are several factors:

(A) how do you know i was in that window
(B) how do you know i wasn't somewhere else in the zone
(C) how do you know i wasn't dealing with real life.
(D) how do you know that i didn't suspend someone
(E) how do you know that I considered it a real train? because there was a "train" a few naggy's ago that i got the fraps from. It LOOKED like a train until I looked at encounter logs for the mobs in the fraps. had like 4 kobolds and an LDC. based on the info i collected i can tell you that as Holocaust ran through the zone that stuff agroed them and got dragged with them. Bkab's dumbass bound in nagafen's lair and ended up agroing him etc in trying to get his corpse.

Sometimes shit is malicious and intentional. sometimes it's just incidental.

[Nirgon]

Nihilum response to above:

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/a87/bef/f83/resized/derpy-david-meme-generator-and-then-i-derped-865f18.jpg?1311859073.jpg

[Arillious]

What im concerned about is people getting banned for doing shit that was not clear was against the rules(Since there is no rules list)

So for the record:

What is allowed:

Regular pvp
Pvp while someone is engaged
"Unintentional Training"(Very vague)
Kill stealing


What isnt allowed:

Only the most blatantly obvious trains - must have GM there to witness or crystal clear screenshots
Zoning in 1 at a time to set of Cazic DT.


Gray area:

Ninja looting
Running into mobs to avoid pvp death and then rengaging in pvp later with mobs still in tow so when said player does die, everyone else gets aggro
Getting aggro on mobs accidentally and then FDing to switch aggro to an opposing player(As the player is still attacking you)
Scamming - Not related to fear but still no decision has been made on this as far as I know. This just includes in game scamming of in game items. (IE selling a manastone but switching out for a pumice, etc) Obviously, theft of accounts etc should not be allowed.
Everything else


IMO, in fear, shit happens. Let it be.

[nerfed]

If you can't police it make it legal so we all can do it. A-C happens more often than naught. Naggy spawns Saturday afternoon. There will be trains and I doubt anything will be done about them.

[Albane]

(A) how do you know i was in that window
(B) how do you know i wasn't somewhere else in the zone
(C) how do you know i wasn't dealing with real life.
(D) how do you know that i didn't suspend someone
(E) how do you know that I considered it a real train? because there was a "train" a few naggy's ago that i got the fraps from. It LOOKED like a train until I looked at encounter logs for the mobs in the fraps. had like 4 kobolds and an LDC. based on the info i collected i can tell you that as Holocaust ran through the zone that stuff agroed them and got dragged with them. Bkab's dumbass bound in nagafen's lair and ended up agroing him etc in trying to get his corpse.


(A) because you were spamming about watching the fight and to make sure players fought in the lair.
(b) because you were actively chatting with players and discussing what was happening with Nagafen
(c) a and b
(d) because all 6 players continued to do it for over an hour
(e) That is the definition of a train. Agroing 4 kobolds and a LDC and then running them onto a raid nowhere near a zone line is an obvious train with intent. Apparently though, this is ok as long as your guild tag is Holocaust.

[Darwoth]

all the gray area shit really need to be put in the green light zone as it was all part of classic pvp server mechanics, zerg guilds like nihilum should have to contend with preventing ninjalooters if they want to mass recruit 50% of the server.

[Nirgon]

Accuses us of "crying" to staff -> does the same thing, makes even more noise about it in some cases and comes off even more bitchy. Somehow gets Rogean involved directly.

Staff gets involved -> fails to be honest when trying to present their case, gets exposed (read: John Stossel'd) 100% of the time.

When exposed -> continues to try to deny and obfuscate for further lulz and quotables.

While trying to deny and obfuscate->

NIRGON - don't post pictures like this:P

[Lulz Sect]

HEY BRO WRONG FORUM FOR POOP PICTURES

lol

[Knuckle]

Please read this post:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65643

And i have a few additional statements for my Redpals.

These are in no particular order beyond the order I think of them:

1. Quit being jerkwads and training each other. Just because you get mad at X guild does not mean you have the right to train. Don't be surprised when I see a fraps of you training and it's undeniable in my eyes and i stick you with an appropriate suspension. Don't come crying to me when you made your perfectly lumpy mob filled bed. Go lay in it for a week or so.

2. Quit assuming that i don't know how to play this video game. I've been around EQ for about 13 years on and off. I know how shit works. If I say I feel something is a valid tactic that doesn't mean I was manipulated into it It doesn't mean anyone else has even talked to me about it. I have my own mind and i'm perfectly capable of making my own decisions. I'm also very strong-willed so trying to berate me over to your side of the fence/decision just isn't going to work. Feel free to make a post in petitions/exploits if you disagree with my thought process and try to sway me or ask me for a time we can discuss it but please don't invade IRC demanding to talk right then or harrass me in game and basically call me stupid :(.

It's like in fear last night: I said it's a valid tactic to set off cazic's DT cycle to cause the opposing raid force to have to camp and i'm bitched at that this is the equivalent of training? Get real. This has been valid on blue since forever and as far as i'm concerned i see no reason it shouldn't be valid.

Now: in saying that. Nihilum: your bullshit tactic of sending in one player at a time to set off the cycle and fuck over holocausts full raid is exactly that: bullshit tactics. THAT will get you in trouble. Either zone in your entire raid and take equal DT's like men or don't use this tactic. Period.

Holocaust: Just because you don't agree with a ruling DOES NOT Give you the right to turn around and train another guild. I don't know if that happened. Heard reports it did. Haven't looked into it because I'm not a cyborg. I need to sleep. I have a boyfriend. I have kids. I HAVE A RIGHT TO TIME OUTSIDE OF THIS GAME.

Now. EVERYONE who is misbehaving....grow up and act like the upstanding redpals that i Know you are.

Thank you :)

also no sexy times with amelinda unless ur knuckle

[Nirgon]

HEY BRO WRONG FORUM FOR POOP PICTURES

lol

Correction, this shoulda been locked and stickied.

Edit: my bad you right.

[Srs Not Ames]

Let the zones like Fear, Perma and Solb be train legal. Seriously bro's this is a fucking red server - I don't want any of that rules lawyering shit or having to /petition every time we think someone trained us or vice versa... its gunna be a god damn shit fest when we could just be solving our own problems.

[Lulz Sect]

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[SamwiseRed]

Although I don't see training as wrong on a pvp server, I respect the rules set in place. That said honestly 1 even 2 GMs will not suffice to enforce such rules. More to follow but gotta get to class. Just let raid zones be open/ffa w/e you wanna call it.

[Nirgon]

They were last night and look what happened.

The population majority (their guild) would not stand for it.

[Jontaidoe]

We never set Cazic off with single members constantly or even when we zoned in and you all left. Granted I wasn't there right when the server opened because you know... I have a job and pay taxes for some of you guys.

My suggestion is you keep your bluebie "lol we set off CT" shit out of here.


PS: Be VERY careful what you wish for with this Cazic rule. I ran a plan by Amelinda we hatched that would make you collectively shit your drawers. No one would be able to raid fear.

great, the faggot that has been training us has been teaming up with the GM to fuck our guild. thats great. good job GM's. fuck you.

[Xantille]

great, the faggot that has been training us has been teaming up with the GM to fuck our guild. thats great. good job GM's. fuck you.

THIS IS NOT R&F OH MY GOD MY EYES

[Jontaidoe]

OH MY BAD. I saw the other 10 posts or nirgons poop pictures and got confused. Dumbass.

[steaks6]

sounds like lots of fun in fear bros !

[Slathar]

great, the faggot that has been training us has been teaming up with the GM to fuck our guild. thats great. good job GM's. fuck you.

Whoa, pal. You sound emotionally invested in a dead game based around a 100-person population. You may want to evaluate your life.

[Rexxin]

You guys sound like a bunch kids who lost a crayon out of there box, Get over it, deal with it, play smarter

No Offense to Amelinda but I give her 1 month before you toolboxes drive her to quit. Then who are you all going to cry to?

I bet she feels like the playground monitor at a mental retardation school.

[Harrison]

Whoa, pal. You sound emotionally invested in a dead game based around a 100-person population. You may want to evaluate your life.

This kid said the same thing about blue while pretending not to play. He was some BAD druid in DA, worst guild on the server.

Now he's doing it here.

Lol mad and still bad

[Titanuk]

who has been suspended for training?!?!?

[pasi]

As was discussed a million times, just allow training in raid zones.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33605
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46129

Really, what you rule on training won't matter in the end. Regardless of the legality of trains, every high-end PvP engagement is going to end up in trains. Neither fraps nor having a GM present at every battle will stop this.

Claiming to enforce training and then clearly not leads to perceived GM favoritism. Perceived GM favoritism will cause people to quit in disgust more than being trained will since you actually have recourse to being trained (you know, training back).

[Nirgon]

Let's take this sucker into RNF.

Btw 2 GMs in fear watching.

Remember to show the proper respect.

To members of Holocaust.

[Harrison]

Yeah, show respect to them exploiters.

[Titanuk]

ban

[Harrison]

ban
I agree. Holobad, and everyone else confirmed cheating should be banned. However, this isn't going to happen.

[Nirgon]

Still waiting on dragon loots to be yanked, yeah.

But those haven't mattered in PvP even still.

[Bundy]

seems to be alot of nihilum crying on these boards. might wanna ask crazy legs why he was running in and starting the DT cycle by himself monday night when holocaust was trying to raid fairly. don't know why we can't all be chums. we like the same game. there's common ground. lets be pals

[Amelinda]

great, the faggot that has been training us has been teaming up with the GM to fuck our guild. thats great. good job GM's. fuck you.

i'm not in bed with anyone. If someone runs an idea by me they are asking if it's valid.

Take your tin foil off.