Why is everyone scared of pvp

[aevarts81]

PVP just adds an extra aspect to an awesome game? why dont you guys wanna play on the pvp server.... we need some more peeps.. tell your friends.. its already fun.. but this is the best game ever.. even the best pvp game.. so come faqs with us.. we need more people... tallon zek, rallos zek vallon zek.. where you at?

isceleez

[Barkingturtle]

It's not PvP I fear, it's superfluous ellipses.

Also, you just reek of desperation.

[Lulz Sect]

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[Mcbard]

I don't enjoy PVP in EverQuest because it seems like it was added to the game as an afterthought and thus lacks real balance between the various classes in given scenarios. Also, when compared with a newer MMO the penalty for death in EverQuest is steep and so dying from other players sounds too time consuming to me. I also already have a character on the blue server.

[rachel]

Yeah What Happened to the PVP server POP?

Didn't all those people say it would have just as many if not more people to play on it the p1999 ?

[Flunklesnarkin]

PvP server is failing




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that concludes my summary of this thread

[Ssleeve]

Actually I enjoyed the "Make you lol" thread and retract my statement

[Boombha]

I think I believe the "if you log onto red, you will have 10 people beat you down before you hit go" rumors a bit to much. Plus, I'm not interested in fighting other people enough to test if those rumors out.

Mostly, it's just not my thing.

[Kika Maslyaka]

I am not scared of PvP.
I am annoyed by it.
EQ classes are not balanced right to to handle fair PvP
I enjoy pvp in team vs team battles in FPS games (UT Onslaught missions), but in EQ it just doesn't work right

[Nineran]

Seems like the Devs are putting a lot of time and energy into the PVP server, its lack of popularity doesn't justify all their efforts in my opinion. Their precious time is better spent elsewhere.

[Ikonoclastia]

EQ PvP is pretty horrid, especially classic version of it. Although its not really EQ, its more the "creativeness" of EQ PvP'rs in the way they utilize certain mechanics of the system.

The real killer though is EQ is a static world, you can't really hurt anyone for real so its kindof boring as well.

For PvP I prefer EvE Online, where you can remove days, months and sometimes even years of hard work and cause people to threaten your wife, children, dog or hamster with death or worse if you pk them...

[Harrison]

No one fears pvp. It's just that no one wants to play on a server infested with the likes of Holocaust, vztzject scum, Nihilum, and others whose tactics include(documented 100%) exploiting behind zonelines, exploiting raid mobs, incessant and unnecessary griefing outside the scope of pvp, various other forms of cheating, etc.

No one wants to play with that shit. No one is afraid of pvp.

[Estrang]

scumbag

[Xanthias]

I don't enjoy PVP in EverQuest because it seems like it was added to the game as an afterthought and thus lacks real balance between the various classes in given scenarios. Also, when compared with a newer MMO the penalty for death in EverQuest is steep and so dying from other players sounds too time consuming to me. I also already have a character on the blue server.

Agreed


No one fears pvp. It's just that no one wants to play on a server infested with the likes of Holocaust, vztzject scum, Nihilum, and others whose tactics include(documented 100%) exploiting behind zonelines, exploiting raid mobs, incessant and unnecessary griefing outside the scope of pvp, various other forms of cheating, etc.

No one wants to play with that shit. No one is afraid of pvp.

Pretty much and in zero desire to play with the morons.

[jainiseq]

I played on Tallon Zek for a while, I had some good times there.
I have fond memories of dungeon crawling with my friends in tower of frozen shadow when all of a sudden some one tells teh group "oh crap... theres some one else here!"... not knowing if they are going to be cool and just exp or if they were going to steam roll us into next week.
I understood as a Dark Elf mage I had no business in crushbone...and I earned that dirtnap.
I liked knowing that all Vah shir cursed my name... because they knew i didnt care how much exp i lost killing them.

I had so many good times on tallon zek.. i even tried to play pvp after they merged all the pvp servers to rallos... for about 30 mins.
I log into DL and this pali has a drolvarg problem... I being the sport that I am pet up and start killing drolvargs... sure... i could have blasted him right then and there...but etiquette demands that I help, I thought i would save this guy a exp death and earn a new friend on a new server. and so the fucker blinds me and i take a exp dirtnap and being bound in KC he camps my corpse to boot.

I like to think every PK death I ate on Tallon I earned... either for talking shmack or for my reputation for spaying and neutering any and all Vah shir.
But that was the first and last time i died for trying to be a nice guy.

Rallos-Zek or Red PvP... can die in a toilet fire.

[Motec]

Look at the players eq red attracts.

[Aenor]

I even tried to play pvp after they merged all the pvp servers to rallos... for about 30 mins.

jainiseq confirmed griefed off zek.

[fischsemmel]

I am not scared of PvP.
I am annoyed by it.
EQ classes are not balanced right to to handle fair PvP
I enjoy pvp in team vs team battles in FPS games (UT Onslaught missions), but in EQ it just doesn't work right

You think that team vs team battles in EQ wouldn't be balanced? I'm guessing it totally is, so long as each player understands that they should not use their class in PvP like they do in PvE (necessarily).

Just because you don't walk up to someone and hit autoattack, or kite someone around in circles, or whatever, doesn't mean EQ's pvp is BROKEN. It' just means it doesn't work in the same way as PvE.


Also, I don't PvP in EQ because the people who do PvP post threads like this one.

[webrunner5]

Last time I was one Red I was in Crushbone on my 14 Druid. A whole group attacked me with a level 50 Cleric PLing them doing heals on them.

I mean WTF is that all about. OK one on one but Like I stand a chance against a whole group. Yeah right. I died like 3 times trying to get my corpse.
Then they are sounded like 11 year old kids on OOC.

As slow as XP is on there I really don't need all the greif and the BS of I am going to kill your ass crap on a tell. Leave it to the 25 Poopsockers that will be left in a month or two. They deserve each other.

[Daldaen]

The problem is most PvPers here seem to derive their pleasure of PvP from griefing other players.

Cool dude you can have 3 players against 1 player and keep killing him when he has no gear running to get his corpse.... Mad skills?

Also EQ was never balanced in PvP so some classes are amazing (see bard) and some are terribly awful (see warrior).

Plus.. all PvP players are pussies cause they just are /anon and /role 100% of the time so they never have people seeking them out.

[Beastro]

I don't enjoy PVP in EverQuest because it seems like it was added to the game as an afterthought and thus lacks real balance between the various classes in given scenarios. Also, when compared with a newer MMO the penalty for death in EverQuest is steep and so dying from other players sounds too time consuming to me. I also already have a character on the blue server.

EQs unbalanced PvP is its hallmark and is the really why it's still so damn fun to play.

[astuce999]

The problem with Everquest PvP is that most people mistakenly think it means Player vs. Player when in fact it really is Predator vs. Prey.

Much like hunting, there is usually only one willing participant in any given encounter.

If player vs. player mechanics were as much fun as some claim, /duel and arena would be more than enough and much more popular on the regular server.

'stuce

[maahes]

I don't enjoy PVP in EverQuest because it seems like it was added to the game as an afterthought and thus lacks real balance between the various classes in given scenarios. Also, when compared with a newer MMO the penalty for death in EverQuest is steep and so dying from other players sounds too time consuming to me. I also already have a character on the blue server.

It was added as an afterthought. The team was playing uo and they all hated the hardcore pvp nature of the game. They stressed to each other that their game was to solely focus on pve.

Uo pvp blows away eq pvp. There is not one aspect of eq pvp that sounds interesting.

[Swish]

Wouldn't play on a population of 150. That's true for blue as well. If its too quiet as it is then its hard to draw a crowd.

No fan of EQ PvP either, WoW does it better (yes, I said it..). I'd rather play on Akka's Fun House than immerse myself on P99 red.

[Acillatem]

No one fears pvp. It's just that no one wants to play on a server infested with the likes of Holocaust, vztzject scum, Nihilum, and others whose tactics include(documented 100%) exploiting behind zonelines, exploiting raid mobs, incessant and unnecessary griefing outside the scope of pvp, various other forms of cheating, etc.

No one wants to play with that shit. No one is afraid of pvp.

+1

I played on TZ from Classic till the Zeks merged. Once that happened the community went to shit and I quit.

I have no sob story of being corpse camped or beat down or griefed in any way. Simply put, the community went to the shitter, and I see the same similarities in attitude and character from those currently on R99.

So thanks, but no thanks.

[Xanthias]

EQ PVP makes no sense for me with one very important aspect.
If I'm a Wood Elf and I kill a guard in kelethin I take a faction hit.
Why shouldn't someone who PVP kills a wood elf not take a similar one?
People are going to talk about that quiet kid who invites people over for dinner and no one ever seems to leave, shouldn't it happen there as well?
PvP without a consequence is just dumb.

[Ssleeve]

None of you understand anything about EQ pvp or it's implications on a server.

Although your uninformed opinions are quite humorous, it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

1.) EQ pvp is open world pvp, regardless of the game open world pvp is never fair. It's opportunistic and requires awareness (Not to get caught off guard) and preparation (To catch someone off guard). If you're not terrible it's very easy to avoid getting raped by roaming pk groups.

2.) "Pvp with no consequences" You're retarded if you don't understand the consequences of being killed, so there would be no point for me to explain them to you.

[Alkorin]

Actually, it's arrogant shit like that that defines the PvP community here. "None of you understand", "you are retarded", etc.

We understand just fine. We're not playing because we don't care to. =)

[Harrison]

None of you understand anything about EQ pvp or it's implications on a server.

Although your uninformed opinions are quite humorous, it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

1.) EQ pvp is open world pvp, regardless of the game open world pvp is never fair. It's opportunistic and requires awareness (Not to get caught off guard) and preparation (To catch someone off guard). If you're not terrible it's very easy to avoid getting raped by roaming pk groups.

2.) "Pvp with no consequences" You're retarded if you don't understand the consequences of being killed, so there would be no point for me to explain them to you.
This is the type of wannabe pvper on red99. Lmao

Plays emupvp and thinks he's pro now.

[Swish]

Still, my "simple" tastes are catered for on P99 blue. Even if red had 1000 on it I'd be less than tempted.

[Ssleeve]

We understand just fine.

Nah, it's obvious from multiple comments people have made in this thread they don't understand yet feel qualified to discuss it.

I wouldn't want anyone who may be interested in a pvp server to read some of these posts and think that is the way things actually are.

You guys can go back to playing virtual dress-up now (All EQ is without player vs player competition).

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[Flunklesnarkin]

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[Harrison]

Nah, it's obvious from multiple comments people have made in this thread they don't understand yet feel qualified to discuss it.

I wouldn't want anyone who may be interested in a pvp server to read some of these posts and think that is the way things actually are.

You guys can go back to playing virtual dress-up now (All EQ is without player vs player competition).

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Please explain how any of what is said isn't true. Try it.

Guilds exploiting raid encounters en masse, documented.
Players cheating in large numbers, documented and awaiting Rogean's next (hopefully permaban for once) wave.
Players griefing outside the scope of pvp or necessity, documented by you sociopathic children very well in pride.
Exploiting pathing, zonelines, plugging, buffs/procs, etc. Etc.

You and your vztzject buttbuddies are afraid of pvp. No one else is. None of that is pvp. You're bad, and a wannabe.

[Swish]

You guys can go back to playing virtual dress-up now (All EQ is without player vs player competition).

Remember gais, teh powah of discord is absolute!

[Ssleeve]

This message is hidden because Harrison is on your ignore list. x2

Probably something like "blah blah exploit blah blah your bad blah blah cheats"

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[Seaweedpimp]

I like red. Im starting to like it more than blue. By far.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I like red. Im starting to like it more than blue. By far.

you will grow tired of her after a week.. like a cheap floozy >_>

[IronLikeALionInZion]

i play pvp to GRIEF people. if you play a game to achieve pixels and fight against mobs and shit in a 13 year old environment when most of you have been there and done that a million times. i feel bad for you.

blue is lame. i would play on red if it has 30 people on max and blue could have 3000.

any idea how lame it is to walk up to something and be unable to swing at it or cast?

ruins my immersion.

[Flunklesnarkin]

i play pvp to GRIEF people. if you play a game to achieve pixels and fight against mobs and shit in a 13 year old environment when most of you have been there and done that a million times. i feel bad for you.

blue is lame. i would play on red if it has 30 people on max and blue could have 3000.

any idea how lame it is to walk up to something and be unable to swing at it or cast?

ruins my immersion.

and thats why the pvp community is so small... not many people share your view of how mmo pvp should be...


I think its an acceptable form of pvp.. I only wish it went farther with full loot.

they are going about this all wrong.. should be absolutely no rules on pvp server...


its only for high game time people as it is... otherwise it just turns into some watered down carebear type system....


making an enemy should mean something... not lol i looted your coin hehe..


somebody come back later with a raid force and delete all your items for the lulz.. thats satisfying to me.


don't try to make pvp red draw blue server people... the ones interested in pvp casually can just duel on blue..


make the red server the shit storm it should be.

[Seaweedpimp]

you will grow tired of her after a week.. like a cheap floozy >_>

allready been playing 3 weeks!

Its just getting good at lvl 30.

[Seaweedpimp]

loot would be fun

[IronLikeALionInZion]

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Griefed OFF the server, havent seen him online since then.

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Made to eat a pve death, in freeport was bound in qeynos. dies trying to get back to freeport. rages.

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conversation with red druid after he coulden't hang with a blue rogue (myself)

MIA since then.


I play red to grief. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Stay griefin bro's. stay griefin

[Bazia]

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Griefed OFF the server, havent seen him online since then.

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Made to eat a pve death, in freeport was bound in qeynos. dies trying to get back to freeport. rages.

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conversation with red druid after he coulden't hang with a blue rogue (myself)

MIA since then.


I play red to grief. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Stay griefin bro's. stay griefin

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[IronLikeALionInZion]

dispels class argument i was a rogue and mostly grieved casters, chellsea (enchanter) porter (druid) darksingin (bard).

hate blue, hate mmo communities, Love red, love grief.

People who play blue do so because they want friends and a sense of accomplishment in a digital enviorment because they cant achieve it IRL.

People like me who play red do so, so we can cause grief to people with that kind of mindset.

Haterzzz gonna hate.
lovers gonna love.
i dont even want.
none of the above.
i want to pvp you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes i dooo....
grieffff you....

[Ssleeve]

fucker stole my gif

[Flunklesnarkin]

dispels class argument i was a rogue and mostly grieved casters, chellsea (enchanter) porter (druid) darksingin (bard).

hate blue, hate mmo communities, Love red, love grief.

People who play blue do so because they want friends and a sense of accomplishment in a digital enviorment because they cant achieve it IRL.

People like me who play red do so, so we can cause grief to people with that kind of mindset.

Haterzzz gonna hate.
lovers gonna love.
i dont even want.
none of the above.
i want to pvp you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes i dooo....
grieffff you....



thats just it tho.. there isn't enough grief.. need full loot to really make people feel the burn..


pay back and revenge should be a big deal... kill a random dude.. his guild rolls up on you and you are left naked...


thats when you start seeing turf wars...

[Heavydrop]

EQ PVP makes no sense for me with one very important aspect.
If I'm a Wood Elf and I kill a guard in kelethin I take a faction hit.
Why shouldn't someone who PVP kills a wood elf not take a similar one?
People are going to talk about that quiet kid who invites people over for dinner and no one ever seems to leave, shouldn't it happen there as well?
PvP without a consequence is just dumb.

Way back in the early days of Rallos Zek it was this way. If you killed a member of whatever race, you took a faction hit for doing so (in this case wood elf) where that got to be a problem was if you defended yourself and killed someone or hunted down a known kinslayer you still took a hit for killing them. It could get so bad that your own hometown merchants wouldn't sell to you.

As to playing on P99 Red.... No thanks I've done my time in the trenches on Rallos Zek back in the day and it was just too messy.
I played there while I did because it was lower populated (never had to get on a LIST for a group for an Orc Camp in commonlands) and the game had a more "real" feel to it, but all that evaportated eventually and all that was left was the schmucks.
I have a 5 necro on P99 Red and I mess around with him some, but I rarely see anyone anywhere when I do.
The exp loss when dying is huge detractor for me

EQ pvp? Been there, done that... No thanks.

[IronLikeALionInZion]

i will agree faction would be cool with pvp.

i mean anything that increases immersion man. thats why i love pvp.

i mean yeah when i tell Lord Darish his mom is fat, i know he gets pissed.

but if i kill harrison just because he is fat, then he gets double pissed.

and i have been a fan of item loot from day one. id even play game if it was perma death.

[Lids]

I love PVP, however; I think PVP mechanic in EQ isn't that great compared to other game. I think EQ had a perfect designed for PVE.

just my 2 cp.

[Ikonoclastia]

You're only hardcore if ya were playing EQ, PvP'ing, at a bus stop in Compton, at midnight, with a shiny new laptop. Otherwise don't embarrass by posting pics or trying to sound like some sort of staunch, because you're not, you're an eq nerd.

[Harrison]

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You are part of the problem with the server.

[Beastro]

The problem with Everquest PvP is that most people mistakenly think it means Player vs. Player when in fact it really is Predator vs. Prey.

Much like hunting, there is usually only one willing participant in any given encounter.

If player vs. player mechanics were as much fun as some claim, /duel and arena would be more than enough and much more popular on the regular server.

'stuce

This is why every PvP Emu server has failed.

Marge the P99s and drown the Reds in Blues and you'd get back to True (Rallos Zek) Classic.

[IronLikeALionInZion]

never cared about server pop. my goal is to be one of the last men standing after everyone else has been griefed. dont care whats fun for you. i care about making your life hell when you log on.

btw. people like you are whats the matter with RL.

[IronLikeALionInZion]

You're only hardcore if ya were playing EQ, PvP'ing, at a bus stop in Compton, at midnight, with a shiny new laptop. Otherwise don't embarrass by posting pics or trying to sound like some sort of staunch, because you're not, you're an eq nerd.

grew up in the barrio in one of the roughest cities in the country. have seen things and done things half of the people on this server have only seen in movies.

[Ssleeve]

You're only hardcore if ya were playing EQ, PvP'ing, at a bus stop in Compton, at midnight, with a shiny new laptop. Otherwise don't embarrass by posting pics or trying to sound like some sort of staunch, because you're not, you're an eq nerd.

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[sbvera13]

To OP-

We're not afraid. It's just that EQ PvP sucks like an industrial grade Hoover plugged into a 220v outlet.

Come join me in EVE online* if you want to experience PvP.

*- or the Shadowbane emulator, once it's finished. /drool

[Harrison]

grew up in the barrio in one of the roughest cities in the country. have seen things and done things half of the people on this server have only seen in movies.


For a little dog you sure do bark a lot, kid.

[IronLikeALionInZion]

harrison

[Ikonoclastia]

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No. Just making an observation.

[fischsemmel]

Come join me in EVE online* if you want to experience PvP.

Hell yes.

or the Shadowbane emulator, once it's finished. /drool

FUCK YES!

Except the Chinamen are going to ruin it :(

[sbvera13]

Except the Chinamen are going to ruin it :(

I'm hoping since it's privately run this (and botting) will be addressed this time whereas Ubisoft was unwilling to. Since everyone involved in the project is part of the former live community, they know exactly how much damage these two things caused. We shall see.