What happened to the population?

[Haymaker]

I remember when this server started it was like 300 people now its like 80-110

[Ssleeve]

Please god don't invite trolls like this.

Short answer: They left to play Blue again.

[Haymaker]

Please god don't invite trolls like this.

Short answer: They left to play Blue again.

But why? Did they not want to play the classic content over again?

[Slug]

Server had 173 the other night - had 170ish in November. Pretty consistent, people who can't cut it come to the boards and cry about the dying server. It's fine.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

But why? Did they not want to play the classic content over again?

People with a common sence dont wanna play with known exploiters and cheaters that are caught on fraps - gms watching the whole time.

This suspended bullshit really needs to stop and give out some heavy bans for people caught cheating.

[fiegi]

Opening more content, and maybe a patch every now and then to fix game breaking issues would help boost it even more.

[Billbike]

Exp is to slow.

People have jobs and familys.

Pvp is funnest at 50 when fighting over big things, but considering the required investment of time, not many can endure to max level.

Atleast thats why I'm not so"immersed" or excited about it anymore.

[FoxxHound]

Too long to level breh.

[xblade724]

Please god don't invite trolls like this.

Short answer: They left to play Blue again.

Order of importance why they left, which is why I left (I just came back to check for exp boost and ruleset on forum; nope):

1) They JUST got max level on their blue when red released when they don't have as much time as we used to as early teenagers when classic was a time killer, and now they had to start ALL the way over at level 1 with no exp boost and spend 100's of hours just to have fun pvp mode. Devs don't get it -- THEY ALREADY HAD THE CLASSIC EXPERIENCE of the grind on blue!!!!

If they wanted to grind, they would stay on blue.

2) No devs had the guts to call it a p99-style pvp server instead of an exact by-the-book classic server. Everyone knows on red, things had to change for the greater good, but we lost our ENTIRE population because no one listens to the community.

3) Exp death ruleset for pvp? What??!

4) Guards broken

5) Game changing exploits that were not fixed (ice comet, mage pet sword, etc)

6) Simple bugs that took too long to change a 0 to 1 to. There were claims that there was not enough time, but things that did not require immediate attention WERE changed often without the community bug reports being fulfilled. For example, instead of bard bugs being fixed (a lot of bards on this server), you ninja patch a desert madman in eruds crossing to be scowl instead of dubious. Wtf..

7) Devs do not respond to the community well -- in fact, most responses are trolls. Love you guys, but it's true. In-game support was legit tho, no worries (Amelinda)

8) Bad timing on release (can't be helped really; there's always going to be something new coming out @ same time). Devs could have cross-advertised, though ... put on blue MOTD advertising red. Even promos "Join now and get DOUBLE exp until level 10!" never implemented anything like this because "it wasnt classic" im sure ........ -___-

9) Remember VANGUARD? The potentially most amazing game in history that I'd still be playing? It had a bomb release and population dropped by 80%. Way later, they fixed everything, but everyone was already gone. Good example to compare to.

10) Xp death too high. Most exp deaths are pvp related and when you get killed by a mob on classic without exp boost constantly from someone harassing you, it's demoralizing and many people quit because of this. In fact, i'd give 50% of the population quitting because of multiple pvp-related exp deaths (mob gets last hit) and too demoralized to get exp back.

11) Resists ... broken.

[fiegi]

7) Devs do not respond to the community well -- in fact, most responses are trolls. Love you guys, but it's true. In-game support was legit tho, no worries (Amelinda)



which Devs ever respond to the community here? They are ghosts.

[Steaks]

exp fixes all problems , no one is going to grind here but hard cores

casuals will do it on blue with Groups , buffs , friends and more items , pretty simple

I SAID THIS ON BETA 50 THOUSAND TIMES i wish someone listened

[Seaweedpimp]

Too bad youre not hardcore if youve been caught exploiting huh?

[Lazortag]

Exp is to slow.

People have jobs and familys.

Pvp is funnest at 50 when fighting over big things, but considering the required investment of time, not many can endure to max level.

Atleast thats why I'm not so"immersed" or excited about it anymore.

Their goal is to make a classic server, so this doesn't make sense. That would be like telling Nilbog that eq isn't fun and he should make a classic WoW server. The objective of this project isn't to cater to what the majority wants, it's to emulate classic eq. Also, I have a life outside of eq too, and sometimes I'm so busy that I can't play for a week straight. That just means that it'll take me longer to get to 50. There's nothing wrong with that - in classic, lots of people took forever to level up. If you had dial-up and shared a computer with your two siblings it could take you over a year just to get to level 30. That's not a reason to make the exp rate faster.

Moreover I feel classic exp is necessary for the health of the server, but I'm not going to get into this now as I've already explained myself in twenty other threads already.

[Steaks]

but it isnt a classic server

classic eq was packed with groups of players to level with and hang out with , all classes in all zones to make groups with so melee could level

xp gain was slow but eq was NEW and EXCITING so the grind didnt matter

its 12 years later , they are nerfing many classic things , many classic things are missing , they are trying to emulate a classic server thats cool , call it blue 99

but if your going to have a pvp server with the classic era content thats cool too but classic xp gain will not work

wolfram hows your bachelor's at clown college going , ready to take on the world?

[Lazortag]

wolfram hows your bachelor's at clown college going , ready to take on the world?

I'm doing my master's at a prestigious Ivy League institution, thank you very much.

[Steaks]

i would also like to add the most important thing back during that era

online gaming was brand new , people were NORMAL , had lives , and talked / socialized like normal people

now we have nothing but antisocial dickbags who missed their life and now they are MAD MAD MAD , people like harrison and the zerglings of nihilum , angry fucking scrubs like supreme and the millions of others on here

quite possibly the worst gaming community ever , and the only reason anyone will play here is if the xp is fast so you can make up losses and theres plenty of people / guilds to group with , which there isnt

increase the xp dramatically while you still have time

[Chronoburn]

University of Phoenix online doesn't count.

[Billbike]

Their goal is to make a classic server

Even if the price of "classic" is server death?

[Cast]

I'm doing my master's at a prestigious Ivy League institution, thank you very much.

works at mcdonalds, maybe

[fiegi]

Jillian Michaels is just MEH

[Steaks]

she is ugly , that pic she is very airbrushed , very hair done up , had dental work now , she dont even look like she used to

wake upto that bitch see what she looks like you will run

[Reikerx]

another quality Rogean production yall

[Dullah]

Ironic, the biggest assholes have a hard time getting exp and groups.

I know server isnt super populated, but if you /friend people as you go and are pleasant, usually they will be more than happy to group up when you get online. By my 40s I had a couple dozen people I'd grouped with on my /friend list and almost always found a few of them online.

Exp isn't the problem. Its never been the problem. Yes, I'm sure its discouraging to a few people at times and pvp deaths seem to make it worse, but people playing a classic EQ server are well aware of the cost of level 50 in EQ by 2012. Blue has 700+ on at times, and its the same exp rate, but with more content.

If exp is the same on both, can't you see the pvp related bugs and lacking content are the real issues?

[Ssleeve]

Dude when you started there were more people then 120 tops like right now, you can be the friendliest person on the planet.

There just isn't enough people to level with, it's the biggest issue atm for anyone below 40 but above 12.

[Cast]

119 players on sat night 9pm cst

[Harrison]

People with a common sence dont wanna play with known exploiters and cheaters that are caught on fraps - gms watching the whole time.

This suspended bullshit really needs to stop and give out some heavy bans for people caught cheating.

This and solely this. ^

Anyone crying the experience is too slow is just fucking bad at this game.

PVP deaths cause what? A solo kill or two worth of xp loss? Grow a pair and nut up.

Cheaters, publicly, just get a slap on the wrist. This is severely detrimental to the server's health. Everything else is just vztzjects whining. The majority of the population that has an IQ above pond scum, is playing and enjoying it.

[Butthead]

sounds like too many pussys play this game lol...

lots left cause they couldnt handle it. every1s got their own excuse but really, they jus couldnt take it lol.

blu server actually takes zero skill.. every1 alrdy remembers how to do everything lol.
its jus time dedication... and when they cant do that on red, they cry on here.

look thru the forums lol. soo many bitches on here its hilarious. it actually motivates me to keep playin jus to kill u all.

die

[Harrison]

works at mcdonalds, maybe

^his resume includes such things as, CEO of an imaginary computer repair company, painting loading docks, and boy scouts.

[purest]

Pretty much everything said so far all points to staff neglect.

- Literally zero badly needed development work since day one? Staff neglect.
- Cheating/Exploiting, sometimes caught on Fraps, with no punishment? Staff neglect.
- Complete lack of communication? Staff neglect.

The result has been that known problems have continued to afflict the server since beta, with zero development work implemented, and virtually no communication from staff - so why invest in your character any further on on a failed, dead baron wasteland of a server?

[Ssleeve]

Pretty much everything said so far all points to staff neglect.

- Literally zero badly needed development work since day one? Staff neglect.
- Cheating/Exploiting, sometimes caught on Fraps, with no punishment? Staff neglect.
- Complete lack of communication? Staff neglect.

The result has been that known problems have continued to afflict the server since beta, with zero development work implemented, and virtually no communication from staff - so why invest in your character any further on on a failed, dead baron wasteland of a server?

This type of post is so yesterday.

[Angkar]

I just started, and it is pretty disheartening to know people can exploit etc and not catch a permanent ban.

This is not a blue server where cheating to attain items effects nobody in a major way, cheating here effects every other player on the server in a detrimental way.

[heartbrand]

I think suspensions are > perma bans for first offenders 95% of the time.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

I just started, and it is pretty disheartening to know people can exploit etc and not catch a permanent ban.

This is not a blue server where cheating to attain items effects nobody in a major way, cheating here effects every other player on the server in a detrimental way.

OMG look someone new that gets the way ALOT of us feel.

Whats even worse is we know people exploited dragons yet there loots are still ingame being used to farm more dragon loot.
But we are told it will be removed ... maybe in another month

[Lazortag]

Pretty much everything said so far all points to staff neglect.

- Literally zero badly needed development work since day one? Staff neglect.
- Cheating/Exploiting, sometimes caught on Fraps, with no punishment? Staff neglect.
- Complete lack of communication? Staff neglect.

The result has been that known problems have continued to afflict the server since beta, with zero development work implemented, and virtually no communication from staff - so why invest in your character any further on on a failed, dead baron wasteland of a server?

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/newtmouthbreather.jpg

[Harrison]

Pretty much everything said so far all points to staff neglect.

- Literally zero badly needed development work since day one? Staff neglect.
- Cheating/Exploiting, sometimes caught on Fraps, with no punishment? Staff neglect.
- Complete lack of communication? Staff neglect.

The result has been that known problems have continued to afflict the server since beta, with zero development work implemented, and virtually no communication from staff - so why invest in your character any further on on a failed, dead baron wasteland of a server?

The only thing baron is your vacuous skull.

http://wwiaircombat.com/images/2009/red-baron-box-cover-1990-dynamix.jpg

[purest]

dang, if only I had the intellect to cut deli meat for a living at age 30

[Harrison]

I doubt you'd be able to handle something even that simple if putting together such difficult and taxing words like, "barren", are beyond your capabilities.

[purest]

you are 30, obese and have a job that a delinquent 16 year old would be embarrassed of

keep correcting grammar on eq emulator forums your top life priority, i can see where it's gotten you

[Harrison]

You're not even capable of discerning the difference between a minimum wage job and one that pays nearly triple that.

You're a joke. You also can't spell. Now, where's my fucking burger and fries? I can only assume someone as dumb as you works at fast food.

[purest]

you are 30, obese and have a job that a delinquent 16 year old would be embarrassed of

[Harrison]

Please tell me, baron, what you think it is I do for a living again? I'm curious what imaginary shit you're still bleating.

http://wwiaircombat.com/images/2009/red-baron-box-cover-1990-dynamix.jpg

[Humerox]

I think we all know what he meant...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/Humerox/Barren.jpg

[Steaks2]

harrison posted a be held accountable for their own threads / actions / words yet look how he shits the thread right below his with his act like asshole attitude

dude harrison , go fucking die

[Harrison]

^caught exploiting, spams forums and half a dozen forum accounts banned, you are part of the problem.

[Nirgon]

While Steaks certainly isn't part of the solution, he also isn't a clueless fat head who only knows things based on what's posted on the forums.

[Tassador]

cry me a river!

[Vile]

I simply refuse to play because of the hellish grind.

[Woosa]

Rofl you guys can flame fest people who tell how it is all day but the fact remains the server is slowly dieing xD. *cut to 50 flame replys*

[Billbike]

I simply refuse to play because of the hellish grind.

The slow grind was justified back when EQ was still new, strange, and or mysterious.

Being that most of you know the mechanics, complex formulas, spawn times, loot tables, ect ect, it's the equivalent of wining, dining and using all your smooth player moves on a girl youve been banging everyday for 12 years.

News flash, the grind is old and boring and NOT fucking fun anymore.

[Vile]

The slow grind was justified back when EQ was still new, strange, and or mysterious.

Being that most of you know the mechanics, complex formulas, spawn times, loot tables, ect ect, it's the equivalent of wining, dining and using all your smooth player moves on a girl youve been banging everyday for 12 years.

News flash, the grind is old and boring and NOT fucking fun anymore.

I also have a life, a full time job, and sometimes.. surprisingly, better shit to do .. so yes... 300% XP bonus will work..

[Steaks2]

The slow grind was justified back when EQ was still new, strange, and or mysterious.

Being that most of you know the mechanics, complex formulas, spawn times, loot tables, ect ect, it's the equivalent of wining, dining and using all your smooth player moves on a girl youve been banging everyday for 12 years.

News flash, the grind is old and boring and NOT fucking fun anymore.

this guy is a prophet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXg6vuUiShU&feature=youtu.be

dont forget to read the comments

[Nirgon]

Harrison's reason for keeping xp the way it is: butt hurt about not making it past lvl 10, couldn't handle the PvP even in Gfay. Wants to kill server. No, really he does.

Most lvl 50's reason: sense of elitism, "I can do it why can't you", don't want other people to catch up

My reason as a 50: I'd like to think I have a general sense from reading the boards and talking to a lot of people that I know what the fuck is going on.

The reason of many who have quit: Same reason as one just listed and that is... soloing SLOWLY to 50 isn't what people came to a PvP server to do.

It was fine when everyone was starting, there were other players around. I enjoyed the low level PvP. I even told other people at the time to stfu about the xp. But now, it is a ghost town. Bump the xp up at least for the first 24 levels for Christ's sake. What we need is other GROUPS to start characters here and right now they just roll their eyes thinking about it. More guilds like Velocity need to pop up to plug the holes on the sinking ship.

Lastly, if you want to play "a melee" make a necro, enchanter or mage. Stop crying about starting a rogue and then "realizing" you can't solo. No shit.

[Vile]

CLEAN

[Steaks2]

wipe it clean

[Nirgon]

^ Here's where you lose credibility unfortunately. Stupid trolling like that. Come off it now son.

If you really want to kill the server, find ways to convince the staff everything is fine (AHEM HARRISON).

[Flipmode]

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE POPULATION?

SCRUBS BAILING OUT CAUSE EQ IS HARD :((((((

[Harrison]

I see a lot of whiny cheaters who cant handle EQ whining for more xp.

[mostbitter]

My group quit because of the experience rate. I tried to forge ahead on my own but then I quit for the same reason I quit live EQ when I played on Tallon Zek. There was never anyone around. If this server is going to have a smaller population I think it needs to be condensed, having just classic zones is a start but spreading 100-150ish players over 64 original zones (including cities) doesn't appeal to me. One way to do this is to boost the experience rate so that everyone will be after the same tier of content reducing the potential for someone to run off to B.F.E..

[Billbike]

Emerging pattern suggest that a lack of PvP experience and or relevance directly converses the demand to increase p99 exp rate.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DnPwaEn8aGE/S9H5d5g3pSI/AAAAAAAAJTQ/_M379r8BFYQ/s1600/photo_17_hires.jpg

[bakkily]

server doesnt need a wipe, though there is a lack of melee/tanks, thats what joining a guild will help with or a group of peeps you usally xp with, servers going to be fine, the only problem is the people saying there is a problem

[Nirgon]

I think it's fine for the people at 50 or most people tough enough to roll here.

But that isn't the point.

Resume discussion.