Bard Songs!

[Jify]

OH NO!

Playing selos with my super drums, I only get fast selos for the first "tick". Then it reverts to super slow, no instrument selos!

Seems that leaving a song playing cancels any benefit from the instrument.

:*(

[Oreznoclaf]

I played Selo's while dual wielding and for the first tick, my speed increased by the proper amount. At the second tick, while I have my weaps equipped, Selo's again increases in speed. It felt as fast as having drums equipped, when in fact I did not.

Edit: This also occurred while equipping a basic Lute.

[Haynar]

I will investigate, and figure out what is going on. I have an idea what it is, but I need to do more testing.

Do you have your drums equipped when you start to sing?

Haynar

[Jify]

Yes.

1) Equip Drums
2) Play Selos.
3) Start running.
4) Selo's "refreshes", instantly slowing you down about 140% (estimating...)
5) You stay slow (60%) until you recast selos.

At which point you go back to #4.

[Gwence]

yes doing this for me as well.

[Gwence]

great patch haynar, twisting is working great, and it seems like the problem with mods is only affecting Selo's.

[Jify]

I noticed that when singing mana song, only the first "tick" shows a graphic on other members of my group. After that there is no graphic. Was this intentional, or a casualty of the "remove the casting sound" fix?

[Haynar]

I noticed that when singing mana song, only the first "tick" shows a graphic on other members of my group. After that there is no graphic. Was this intentional, or a casualty of the "remove the casting sound" fix?
That would be probably in a casualty.

I will look into that problem too.

Keep any additional issues you find coming, so I can wrap them up. I changed a lot regarding bards. So I wouldn't be suprised if there are other problems. It is hard for me to totally test everything with bards.

Haynar

[tyrac]

OK, since the patch today...
1) My lvl 19 bard gets 5 hp per tick while standing w/ mandolin equipped. It was 9 per tick two days ago. (Hymn of restoration).Regen is the same 5/per tick, when NOT equipped....
2) Hymn ends at end of the cycle if I sit down tho I do get 10 per tick while it lasts when sitting. It was 10 per tick and continuing while sitting pre-patch 4/24...
Thanks
edit note: Hand drums do accelerate Selos...at least for me

[Amareck]

Firstly - Thanks Haynarr for th ebig bard upgrade! I've got a few issues here

Referring to previous comments on Selos:

1) My first tick of selos is a tiny improvement in speed, regardless of whether I'm wearing drums, weapons or nothing at all
2) Second tick of selos is **fast**. Its almost as if the +% modifier is applied cumulatively, instead of as a refresh
3) Subsequent ticks of selos (past the 2nd tick) do not seem to apply more +% modifier

Some notes regarding Selos:
a) selos appears to be slightly faster without drums
b) my partner thinks that this "fast" selos run speed is actually closer to correct for classic (as in, prior to the patch, selos appeared to barely out run an equiv. level sow) - she played a bard for many years
c) north ro/oasis/south ro aren't NEARLY as big anymore!

Cassindra's Chorus of Clarity (L32)
This spell now effects bard mana which it should never do. My understanding is that the *only* thing that modifies a bard's mana regeneration rate is Flowing Thought items. Its very nice, but not classic I suspect. I certainly recall bards as far forward as PoP begging for FT items on raids, to assist charm kiting endeavours after death.

Songs Generally
I) Songs will not continue to play if you're sitting down. Classically, I think you could start a song then sit, play with your balls or whatever and it would continue to refresh. This no longer occurs. Occurs with/without instruments.
II) Not sure if it's intended, but previously, my song never failed once it ticked once and I let it go. Now, it fails quite often (say, once every 10 ticks or so), without any external factors, such as an axe to my skull. Occurs with/without instruments.

One last very random thing: my hand drums appear to be a flute graphic :P

[Haynar]

Things I have fixed in the test source, which have not been pushed live.

Sitting - This is fixed. There was a logic check, that was not applying properly. This could also be causing some random interrupts, I didn't check everything it affected. But there were several things.

Instrument modifiers were not always sticking the way I had intended. This has been coded also, and waiting to be patched live.

The mana regen, from bard songs was always affecting the bard before, but because mana was locked to not refresh while singing, you never saw it. You would get full display of actual mana after songs stopped before. If mana songs are not supposed to affect bards, then we can look at this more. But I didnt change any mechanics here, other than figure out how to get bard mana updates to send to client while singing songs. Bards were always getting the mana regen serverside on emu, just not seeing it at the client.

All Bards will be getting "the Pied Piper" added to their names, as they are now being hard coded to always play flutes. Just kidding. No idea on graphics glitch, but some of the other fixes I did for buffs might correct it. If not, i will explore this issue again when I have time. I doubt I will get much more coding time this week, a lot going on in RL.

Haynar

[Jify]

Thanks for the effort Haynar. I'll continue to post anything that I notice into this thread.

[wraith]

i got on my bard tonight and i had the selo's problem. my hym of restoration is out of whack tho. when i first cast it it works and shows graphic for all group members. then if i keep it going it doesnt show graphic for anyone, sometimes it shows it for 1 person. and also i asked if everyone was getting the song 1 said yes 1 said no, they were both in range. and last one of the guys told me he was getting the messege, but the song icon wasnt showing.
edit: got back on and after i cast hym, when i sit my song ends abruptly also

[Jete]

Haynar, I <3 you.

Mana song should NOT affect bards. We thank you again!

[Gorroth]

Bard songs do not stick if they gets refreshed at the end of the song. Basically, during a song rotation, if the "refreshed" song lands just as the song is ending, the new song won't stick and the buff will be removed.

Not sure if it's intended but it's making twisting 4 songs a major pain.

[mitic]

songs end apruptly when u are sitting down...healing some comes to mind..thats not classic..please revert to make em work while sitting again since this is the way it worked

thanks!

[Haynar]

songs end apruptly when u are sitting down...healing some comes to mind..thats not classic..please revert to make em work while sitting again since this is the way it worked

thanks!

Reading comprehension is your friend. As I said before, that was not intended. I changed a shit load of things to fix bards, and am trying to get all the little details worked out to finish getting them working right. So no more of the "revert them" crap.

I have also changed the way buffs refresh again, so for all those that want to twist 4 songs, knock yourself out when it goes live.

Are there any other songs that should not affect bards, besides mana song?

Also, please read the thread before posting extra stuff that has already been covered. I take the time to read all the posts, to understand the issues. So do me a favor, and have a little common courtesy, and don't make me read through the same thing that I have already commented on and addressed.

Haynar

[mitic]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/image.php?u=91&dateline=1272153838 sorry :D

btw good job so far on the rest of the fixes...nothing gamebraking so far what ive seen since new patch

[Deathrydar]

I do not remember this happening (and I could be 100% wrong here, I am old and have a hard time remembering things, let along things that happened in a video game over ten years ago) but my songs (selos, hymn) just end on their own sometimes. I thought once you got it playing, it was supposed to continue to play until you stopped it.

Oh well, all in all, Haynar, you did a frikkin awesome job fixing this once broken class, and for that, I thank you! Keep the faith!

[Haynar]

Songs shouldn't just end. I think that is a bug I kind of created. I hope its fixed next patch. So after fixes go in, that correct the sitting issue, then we can see what other issues exist and move forward from there.

I will look into making mana songs not affect bards, and how to fix. I don't know offhand, but I am sure it is an easy fix. Probably one or 2 lines of code. The key thing, is finding the right place to put the code.

Haynar

[Jify]

Haynar, this wasn't addressed in the last patch, but maybe I should bring it up...

Some of our songs do not stack properly, or get no modifier from instruments. The lvl 2 AE for example does not increase in strength with a string instrument equipped. It also does not stack with the lvl 18 AE, (which is brass). These 2 AEs should stack.

Some buffs come across the same problem. I'll see if I can get you some more specifics.

Cheers!

[Haynar]

Haynar, this wasn't addressed in the last patch, but maybe I should bring it up...

Some of our songs do not stack properly, or get no modifier from instruments. The lvl 2 AE for example does not increase in strength with a string instrument equipped. It also does not stack with the lvl 18 AE, (which is brass). These 2 AEs should stack.

Some buffs come across the same problem. I'll see if I can get you some more specifics.

Cheers!
More specifics would be great. I will see what I can figure out.

Haynar

[Jify]

Alright. Quick test on the mobs of WC came up with...

Denons (lvl 18) (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=730) overwriting Chords (lvl 2) (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=703)
Selo's (lvl 48) (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=746) overwriting Denons (lvl 18) (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=730)
String instrument did not affect Chords (lvl 2) (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=703) or Selos (lvl 48) (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=746)
Denon's(lvl 18) (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=730) was not affected by Brass Instruments

The string AEs should overwrite the string AEs. The Brass overwrite the brass. Brass and string AEs should stack with each other.

Some of the str buffs we have I think should be stacking. But I don't have any clear memory of that, just some gut feeling. However, I did level from 18 to 28 on live AE kiting, and I definitely mixed the string/brass AEs.

Cheers!

[guineapig]

I can vouch for this, I always used to stack the level 2 AoE dot with the level 18 AoE dot on live but can't seem to do it here. For a while I thought maybe my memory was fuzy but never considered the fact that they were different instrument proficiencies.

[Xumosa]

sitting down is interrupting song singing

[guineapig]

sitting down is interrupting song singing

This was addressed in the very first 2 sentences of the original post:

Things I have fixed in the test source, which have not been pushed live.

Sitting - This is fixed. There was a logic check, that was not applying properly. This could also be causing some random interrupts, I didn't check everything it affected. But there were several things.

[Haynar]

I think I have the stacking worked out, with different bard songs, doing same effect, but using different instruments.

I also found the issue with the Bard AE dot's not getting instrument modifiers applied.

Haynar

[guineapig]

I think I have the stacking worked out, with different bard songs, doing same effect, but using different instruments.

I also found the issue with the Bard AE dot's not getting instrument modifiers applied.

Haynar

This is correct. Equiping the instrument does not change the DPS of the DoT at all on this server.

[mitic]

iam getin alot more missed notes interrupts when starting to cast a song than before now. dunno if its intended

[mastagee]

Instrument modifier on Selos Accelerando only lasts for the first 3 seconds. The modifier goes away after that and running speed will be reduced to Selos w/o instrument modifier. Have to recast to get speed back up.

Can clearly see running speed dramatically decrease after first 3 seconds. Then dramatically increase if Selos is recast.

Not sure if this applies just to Selos Accelerando or to other songs as well.

[Gorgetrapper]

iam getin alot more missed notes interrupts when starting to cast a song than before now. dunno if its intended

Me too, a SHIT load more.

[JayFiveAlive]

It's not just mana song, it's any song that is for party. You see the effect the first time and it goes away, but i still hear the sound every time.

[Jify]

This bug makes it particularly difficult to sneak away for a ninja AFK with manasong playing! ;)

Thanks for the hard work Haynar.

[JayFiveAlive]

Song durations seem to be messed up... my heal song will stop after about 1 minute, just standing there. It doesn't have a message about the song ending, all songs are grey-ed out like one is active, yet it no longer shows the effect, icon, or work.

speed randomly just ends after playing for a minute or so as well. think it's all songs.

[Haynar]

Song durations seem to be messed up... my heal song will stop after about 1 minute, just standing there. It doesn't have a message about the song ending, all songs are grey-ed out like one is active, yet it no longer shows the effect, icon, or works.
Known current bug. It is sitting, or ducking, that is causing this. Patch is made to fix, but hasn't gone live yet. That is the only bug I currently know of that leaves the songs greyed out. Just standing, doing nothing, i don't know about that happening. The current bug that interrupts needs you to actually do something to occur.

Haynar

[Haynar]

Instrument modifier on Selos Accelerando only lasts for the first 3 seconds. The modifier goes away after that and running speed will be reduced to Selos w/o instrument modifier. Have to recast to get speed back up.

Can clearly see running speed dramatically decrease after first 3 seconds. Then dramatically increase if Selos is recast.

Not sure if this applies just to Selos Accelerando or to other songs as well.
Instrument modifiers have a few bugs. They should be mostly fixed now, just waiting to be patched live.

Haynar

[JayFiveAlive]

Sweeeet, thanks Haynar!

[Deathrydar]

All Bards should immediately switch their in game diety to Haynar!