Benefits of server wide PvP declarations.

[Mittens Romney]

I think this would really boost the moral of the server in general and encourage people to get to roughing it up a little. With server wide pvp death reports like what was present on TZVZ, and without the addition of a server wide chat the discussion would stay localized and be much friendlier which would avoid the large flame wars that have happened in the past. Just think of all the extra PvP this would encourage.

[Arillious]

I think this would really boost the moral of the server in general and encourage people to get to roughing it up a little. With server wide pvp death reports like what was present on TZVZ, and without the addition of a server wide chat the discussion would stay localized and be much friendlier which would avoid the large flame wars that have happened in the past. Just think of all the extra PvP this would encourage.

At this point, i think people just want to see the GM's actually do something or give an indication that they plan to do something.

[Mittens Romney]

At this point, i think people just want to see the GM's actually do something or give an indication that they plan to do something.

I just got started on the server myself so am not really up on all that stuff but I do know this is the cleanest pvp server as far as the bugs seem to go. I just think this would encourage a lot of pvp. People would be encourage more to look for that resist gear and what not because they want to have their names on the right side of the announcements more. If we can get some people behind this and if its easy to implement why not try it or something similar?

[fiegi]

At this point, i think people just want to see the GM's actually do something or give an indication that they plan to do something.

[Lazortag]

Yellow text is stupid, Rogean already said it wasn't going in. Every time this is mentioned I make the exact same argument and no one responds except to call me a "fag" or a "pussy". News flash: being opposed to YT doesn't mean I'm afraid of pvp. It just means that I think this server shouldn't be turned into an FPS where the singular goal of everyone playing is to kill everyone you can indiscriminately, regardless of whether there's a good reason. Classic pvp wasn't like that. Some players were anti PK's, some players were PK's, some were elf-slayers, etc. Yellow text encourages people to kill just for the sake of killing.

[Mittens Romney]

Yellow text is stupid, Rogean already said it wasn't going in. Every time this is mentioned I make the exact same argument and no one responds except to call me a "fag" or a "pussy". News flash: being opposed to YT doesn't mean I'm afraid of pvp. It just means that I think this server shouldn't be turned into an FPS where the singular goal of everyone playing is to kill everyone you can indiscriminately, regardless of whether there's a good reason. Classic pvp wasn't like that. Some players were anti PK's, some players were PK's, some were elf-slayers, etc. Yellow text encourages people to kill just for the sake of killing.

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. Sometimes grief killing gets in the way. I'm suggesting giving it a shot for about a week and see if it works out for the overall good or bad of the server. At worst it will stir up some excitement while encouraging people to log back in to give it a try.

[Titanuk]

nice sig mike

[Harrison]

This is a new and refreshing idea. I have never considered this option, or heard it before.

[Lazortag]

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. Sometimes grief killing gets in the way. I'm suggesting giving it a shot for about a week and see if it works out for the overall good or bad of the server. At worst it will stir up some excitement while encouraging people to log back in to give it a try.

You seem nice but the staff tend to not try out different ideas on a trial basis just because there's some demand. I think global ooc will accomplish the same goal and that's likely to go in soon anyway. There's no real compelling reason to try YT, even if only for a week.

[Silikten]

YT is nothing but beneficial! It shows people where PvP is and also notifies people of Bind Campers/Camping and Corpse Campers/Camping. What exactly is your argument against it?

[fiegi]

YT is nothing but beneficial! It shows people where PvP is and also notifies people of Bind Campers/Camping and Corpse Campers/Camping. What exactly is your argument against it?

[Cwall]

What exactly is your argument against it?

"I'm afraid of PvP"

[Snufz]

If we had YT awhile ago, the server wouldn't be in the state it's in now.

You think everyone 35+ would have joined the great blue zerg if they were being humiliated by getting YTd constantly? Doubt it.

YT actually promotes people to try harder/get better at pvp.

It's all moot regardless, it won't be put in.

[Hairybuttwhole]

yea why should people be held accountable for anything in this world

[fiegi]

that you Big Dash ?

[hagard]

that you Big Dash ?

W w w wwhhaatt bbbrrrroooo?

[Arillious]

I initially argued against yt/global ooc before launch. There is a downside because everyone knows where everyone is and doesnt have to learn the information. Just takes one person to say " /o PK guild_01" is headed to lavastorm, be ready".

On a 150 during primetime server though, we actually need everyone to know where the action is.

[Dullah]

Finding action isnt complicated. Find the xps, find the pixels, you find the action.

EQ is first and foremost a game of character progression, therefore you will find people of certain levels in those respective areas acquiring xp and items.

[Harrison]

If we had YT awhile ago, the server wouldn't be in the state it's in now.

You think everyone 35+ would have joined the great blue zerg if they were being humiliated by getting YTd constantly? Doubt it.

YT actually promotes people to try harder/get better at pvp.

It's all moot regardless, it won't be put in.

YT saved vztz, right?

Oh, wait...

[Lazortag]

If we had YT awhile ago, the server wouldn't be in the state it's in now.

You think everyone 35+ would have joined the great blue zerg if they were being humiliated by getting YTd constantly? Doubt it.

YT actually promotes people to try harder/get better at pvp.

It's all moot regardless, it won't be put in.

This is just silly. Nihilum is humiliated constantly on the forums, particularly in the Nihilum killshot thread. There's not a single person outside Nihilum who actually thinks they are decent at pvp, and probably few people within Nihilum who thinks they're a good pvp guild. People join Nihilum for the pixels, that's all.

Like I said in this thread and in various other threads, YT just encourages a certain style of PvP by making it implicit that anyone with more YT in their favor is "better". Favoring a certain style of pvp/rules of engagement is not a good idea. Whenever YT is implemented on a server it becomes an informal leaderboard, so you see people bind camping, killing AFKers, and killing people on CR's more often. Basically, you get pvp for the sake of ego-stroking which is not what classic pvp was (necessarily) about. Killshots posted on the forums provide context to show that a person is being bind camped, killed while naked, etc., so those are better for people to show off their kills. Global OOC lets people find groups easier and broadcast where pvp is occurring if they really want. YT isn't needed and it just creates more problems than it solves.

Inb4 "you're just against YT because you're afraid of pvp".

[Harrison]

Longest running buggy piece of custom shit openly hacked and exploited. You should be proud of that title. /sarcasm off

The server was fucking garbage and your hilariously pathetic high school clique of inbred, barely literate, children are too stupid to stop touting it as such.

This server had a decent chance until you shit in your own bed and now you're laying in it. Yellow text isn't going to save it. OOC isn't going to save it. The precedence set now is, "Cheat, you won't even get banned anyways if you get enough monkeys to flood the forums and cry when you get caught." Legitimate players who want competition free from cheating shitbags aren't going to play here.

[Xantille]

This is just silly. Nihilum is humiliated constantly on the forums, particularly in the Nihilum killshot thread. There's not a single person outside Nihilum who actually thinks they are decent at pvp, and probably few people within Nihilum who thinks they're a good pvp guild. People join Nihilum for the pixels, that's all.

Like I said in this thread and in various other threads, YT just encourages a certain style of PvP by making it implicit that anyone with more YT in their favor is "better". Favoring a certain style of pvp/rules of engagement is not a good idea. Whenever YT is implemented on a server it becomes an informal leaderboard, so you see people bind camping, killing AFKers, and killing people on CR's more often. Basically, you get pvp for the sake of ego-stroking which is not what classic pvp was (necessarily) about. Killshots posted on the forums provide context to show that a person is being bind camped, killed while naked, etc., so those are better for people to show off their kills. Global OOC lets people find groups easier and broadcast where pvp is occurring if they really want. YT isn't needed and it just creates more problems than it solves.

Inb4 "you're just against YT because you're afraid of pvp".

P much sums up why I'm indifferent to YT.

Global OOC definitely needs to happen, though.

[Tassador]

global ooc already so we dont miss all the funtymes ;-[

[SamwiseRed]

disable anon and let the games begin

[Steaks2]

Longest running buggy piece of custom shit openly hacked and exploited. You should be proud of that title. /sarcasm off

The server was fucking garbage and your hilariously pathetic high school clique of inbred, barely literate, children are too stupid to stop touting it as such.

This server had a decent chance until you shit in your own bed and now you're laying in it. Yellow text isn't going to save it. OOC isn't going to save it. The precedence set now is, "Cheat, you won't even get banned anyways if you get enough monkeys to flood the forums and cry when you get caught." Legitimate players who want competition free from cheating shitbags aren't going to play here.

hate to say it but this entire server has been a big troll

and boy are they loling , rogean turned it on and went to play star wars and said here you go now stfu

hope no one invested any real time !

[Hovis]

Yellow text is stupid, Rogean already said it wasn't going in. Every time this is mentioned I make the exact same argument and no one responds except to call me a "fag" or a "pussy". News flash: being opposed to YT doesn't mean I'm afraid of pvp. It just means that I think this server shouldn't be turned into an FPS where the singular goal of everyone playing is to kill everyone you can indiscriminately, regardless of whether there's a good reason. Classic pvp wasn't like that. Some players were anti PK's, some players were PK's, some were elf-slayers, etc. Yellow text encourages people to kill just for the sake of killing.

if you haven't noticed bud, this server isn't 100% classic.

[Ssleeve]

hate to say it but this entire server has been a big troll

and boy are they loling , rogean turned it on and went to play star wars and said here you go now stfu

hope no one invested any real time !

uhm I dont expect Rogean to work his ass for free, it's a free EQ pvp server with a few bugs.

Still playable and fun imo.

[Lazortag]

if you haven't noticed bud, this server isn't 100% classic.

I know the goals of this project are vaguely defined, but I think it's assumed that the devs (and the players) want to more or less recreate the charm of classic eq pvp. One thing that many people enjoyed about classic pvp was the diverse community, among whom were players with varying self-imposed rules of engagement (like the examples I gave earlier - PK's, anti-PK's, elf supremacists, etc). So regardless of whether the server is 100% classic, it's still relevant for me to bring up how the community was on classic eq pvp servers because that's what many people are looking for when they roll on this server.

[Ssleeve]

I know the goals of this project are vaguely defined, but I think it's assumed that the devs (and the players) want to more or less recreate the charm of classic eq pvp. One thing that many people enjoyed about classic pvp was the diverse community, among whom were players with varying self-imposed rules of engagement (like the examples I gave earlier - PK's, anti-PK's, elf supremacists, etc). So regardless of whether the server is 100% classic, it's still relevant for me to bring up how the community was on classic eq pvp servers because that's what many people are looking for when they roll on this server.

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[pojab]

kill just for the sake of killing.

/agree. put in yt

[Knuckle]

/agree. put in yt

[Hovis]

I know the goals of this project are vaguely defined, but I think it's assumed that the devs (and the players) want to more or less recreate the charm of classic eq pvp. One thing that many people enjoyed about classic pvp was the diverse community, among whom were players with varying self-imposed rules of engagement (like the examples I gave earlier - PK's, anti-PK's, elf supremacists, etc). So regardless of whether the server is 100% classic, it's still relevant for me to bring up how the community was on classic eq pvp servers because that's what many people are looking for when they roll on this server.

i understand but in regards to your previous statement about YT was that "it is not classic" .. yes i understand some people want this server to be as close as possible to being classic, but we all know that's not possible. its possible in a perfect world, but welcome to planet earth.
I honestly agree with YT being in game. No matter what, people will avoid being pvp'd in any situation (plugging, suicide, etc.). I feel YT brings out the 'fun' in it.
In other words, i feel YT makes pvp more worthwhile.. an example would be you are fighting someone for 30 minutes and finally you manage to kill them; yeah sure its fun.. but that same fight would be so much more rewarding if your accomplishments were broadcasted

just my two cents, not trying to start an argument.

[Albane]

In other words, i feel YT makes pvp more worthwhile.. an example would be you are fighting someone for 30 minutes and finally you manage to kill them; yeah sure its fun.. but that same fight would be so much more rewarding if your accomplishments were broadcasted



If your life was so meaningless that getting a kill in PvP needed to be broadcasted to validate your existence, I feel sorry for you.

YT is a horrible idea, and would only promote asshattery (spelled with 1 t or 2?).

[Nirgon]

You need to ask for a kill log and not YT. : /.

[Diggles]

YT is a horrible idea, and would only promote asshattery (spelled with 1 t or 2?).err, how? I only see promotion for PvP

[Steaks2]

diggles you dont even play on this server why do you care or even post here?

[Diggles]

*yawn* I have characters.

[Diggles]

Just lookin' out for the best interest of mah brolocausts.

[Nirgon]

You just look out for yourself.

I think Barney's on, run along now.

[Diggles]

Barney has dragon loot, jokes on you.