Worth starting?

[Crenshinabon]

Hey guys,
Long story short. I have not had time for EQ but I still want to play.
Sad to see population pretty low but still willing to give it a shot maybe.
Why is pop so low? Worth comming back to my lvl 12 or so shaman?

[Stinkum]

if you enjoy soloing on a dead server, yeah, you will be able to solo your way as a shaman.

don't plan on ever being able to facilitate a group though unless global OOC gets put in.

[Darwoth]

pop is low because staff have basically ignored the server since launch and most of the problems that have plagued the server since beta persist.

every week population declines by 25ish players during primetime and those who already have chars are not motivated to invest any further time into them due to seeing zero dev attention and a constantly waning population, as an exampled 10 of the 14 in my guild no longer play because of this.

in a few weeks if population has not picked up or at least some influx of dev attention i will also be hanging up my hat and going back to ipy2 where there are still 800 - 1200 on a night and a large sweeping patch is about to be released.

global ooc, leaderboards, accelerated xp among others were all sorely needed on day one of the server, now even if they are implemented it may be to late.

[Ssleeve]

Hey guys,
Long story short. I have not had time for EQ but I still want to play.
Sad to see population pretty low but still willing to give it a shot maybe.
Why is pop so low? Worth comming back to my lvl 12 or so shaman?

Yeah you can come back, there is a new wave of peeps right at ur level.

/tell bluecross in-game and ill get you in the loop with other peeps ur level.

[Rikimeru]

Hey guys,
Long story short. I have not had time for EQ but I still want to play.
Sad to see population pretty low but still willing to give it a shot maybe.
Why is pop so low? Worth comming back to my lvl 12 or so shaman?

its not as bad as people make it out to be. lower levels are slow but not non-existent, you just have to put a little legwork in to find groups in the lower levels.

[Ssleeve]

pop is low because staff have basically ignored the server since launch and most of the problems that have plagued the server since beta persist.

global ooc, leaderboards, accelerated xp among others were all sorely needed on day one of the server, now even if they are implemented it may be to late.

QFT

[Stinkum]

yea everything darwoth said is basically on point.

[bobo2]

dont play a shaman or a druid

a much needed class is magician and theres very very very few of them , and it was number 1 class on beta

[fiegi]

pop is low because staff have basically ignored the server since launch and most of the problems that have plagued the server since beta persist.

every week population declines by 25ish players during primetime and those who already have chars are not motivated to invest any further time into them due to seeing zero dev attention and a constantly waning population, as an exampled 10 of the 14 in my guild no longer play because of this.

in a few weeks if population has not picked up or at least some influx of dev attention i will also be hanging up my hat and going back to ipy2 where there are still 800 - 1200 on a night and a large sweeping patch is about to be released.

global ooc, leaderboards, accelerated xp among others were all sorely needed on day one of the server, now even if they are implemented it may be to late.

this

Rogean doesn't give a shit.

[Ssleeve]

this

Rogean doesn't give a shit.

http://mimg.ugo.com/201101/0/2/4/169420/cuts/family-guy-blue-harvest-star-wars-spoof-episode-3_480x480.jpg

[Grozmok]

Come back. Bring your friends.

Players that give up because there are no players makes this a self fulfilling prophecy.

[bobo2]

when people are gone they dont come back

so just join nihilum and WIN At red99 !

[purist 3.0]

Rogean doesn't give a shit.

[fiegi]

3 options

patch the server and at least act like you care about it

leave it be and watch the population dwindle down to nothing wasting more ppls time

pull the plug now


I'll take either A or C

Wake up!!

[Lazortag]

global ooc, leaderboards, accelerated xp among others were all sorely needed on day one of the server, now even if they are implemented it may be to late.

You should run your own server, apparently you know exactly what is needed for a server to be popular. Unlike the p99 devs who run the most popular blue server and the most popular red server ever hosted on eqemu.

[Casey]

Come back. Bring your friends.

Players that give up because there are no players makes this a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Darwoth]

You should run your own server, apparently you know exactly what is needed for a server to be popular. Unlike the p99 devs who run the most popular blue server and the most popular red server ever hosted on eqemu.

140 people is not "the most popular red server ever" pretty sure the vztz server i never played on had far more than that, and i know that the lucid vision server was sporting 500+ for the brief period of time it was up.

either way captain nuthanger, it isn't a matter of "knowing whats best" it is a matter of actually doing....... anything at all to maintain said server.

[Ssleeve]

it is a matter of actually doing....... anything at all to maintain said server.

[Zigfreed]

Yes you can do it. Don't make a class you can't solo with. Make friends fast.

[gloinz]

dont play a shaman or a druid

a much needed class is magician and theres very very very few of them , and it was number 1 class on beta

bluebie alert

[Haul]

pop is low because staff have basically ignored the server since launch and most of the problems that have plagued the server since beta persist.

every week population declines by 25ish players during primetime and those who already have chars are not motivated to invest any further time into them due to seeing zero dev attention and a constantly waning population, as an exampled 10 of the 14 in my guild no longer play because of this.

in a few weeks if population has not picked up or at least some influx of dev attention i will also be hanging up my hat and going back to ipy2 where there are still 800 - 1200 on a night and a large sweeping patch is about to be released.

global ooc, leaderboards, accelerated xp among others were all sorely needed on day one of the server, now even if they are implemented it may be to late.

cool story bro

[Labanen]

its not as bad as people make it out to be. lower levels are slow but not non-existent, you just have to put a little legwork in to find groups in the lower levels.

Yes you can do it. Don't make a class you can't solo with. Make friends fast.

^^^

also, half the reason for the low pop is these forums, people are incredibly negative in here, but then turn (mostly) into reasonable people once you meet them ingame.

Dont be discouraged by that, log on give it a try. That said, pop IS low, so being able to solo at least some of the time will be a big advantage, and as a shamy you ll be fine.

[Farvinpop]

Im sure its doable, but I personally have gotten sick of it. Imagine having to play with the same 100 assholes over and over and over, and the population is going to keep getting smaller, its not getting bigger. I think the people who are left are primarily VZTZers and there is still a lot of sploiting going on. Not too enjoyable for the casual gamer who isn't willing to spend 12 hours every day securing their spot. In the end I think maybe the only people left will be Nihilum PVEing in raid encounters. EQ will never be like it used to be unfortunately, with 1000s of people on a single server at prime times. RIP RZ 2002, those were the days!

[Rust1d?]

Darworth is spot on. I have not logged on in days because it is impossible to find a group and the last two guilds I were in went to star wars. Waiting for guild wars 2 or diablo 3.

[Amelinda]

Im sure its doable, but I personally have gotten sick of it. Imagine having to play with the same 100 assholes over and over and over, and the population is going to keep getting smaller, its not getting bigger. I think the people who are left are primarily VZTZers and there is still a lot of sploiting going on. Not too enjoyable for the casual gamer who isn't willing to spend 12 hours every day securing their spot. In the end I think maybe the only people left will be Nihilum PVEing in raid encounters. EQ will never be like it used to be unfortunately, with 1000s of people on a single server at prime times. RIP RZ 2002, those were the days!

*EDIT* forgot why i quoted this post: I quoted this post because i wanted to say that if there is exploiting going on - no one reports it. there are at least no major exploits that i know of. (first person who brings up the dragons gets tazed)


1. all of you quit trolling and trying to scare new players away.

2. Quit saying no one cares or you are going to piss me off and instead of seeing what i can do to cater to your community and making things more fun for you I will find other ways to spend my time.

3. Stop talking shit about the staff (Rogean, Nilbog, Me, Programmers, Guides)

4. stop the wipe it clean/burn it down bullshit. We don't want your deconstructive criticism- if you aren't happy then open a constructive dialogue about it or shut the fuck up. if you don't like it find somewhere else to play and do it silently.

To the OP:

There are any number of reasons why population went down - what it amounts to though is several groups of people are unhappy about X and chose to leave rather than trying in a constructive manner to get it changed.

I am the server GM and im actively working to help improve population. Unfortunately some of these individuals don't appreciate that.

[Shweet]

Global Ooc denied.

http://sfs.jondon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/nail-in-coffin-300x241.jpg

[Lazortag]

140 people is not "the most popular red server ever" pretty sure the vztz server i never played on had far more than that, and i know that the lucid vision server was sporting 500+ for the brief period of time it was up.

...

VZTZ was certainly not more popular than red99. Even when it had 300 or so people it was mostly mutli boxers. I'm sorry but you're just flat out wrong about this.

Anyone complaining about the server being ignored by the staff is an ungrateful moron who is ignorant of eqemu history. In comparison to any other red server that's been up, red99 is by far the most well-coded and well taken care of. Issues that plagued other red servers for their whole existence (pathing, cheat programs, spells file exploits, bard mechanics not functioning at all, various other glaring bugs/exploits/etc.) were fixed on this server from the very beginning because it was based off of blue99 code.

edit: as for raid mobs being exploited, uh, welcome to every red box that's ever existed. Do you really think those 40 pop servers like VZTZ ever killed raid bosses legitimately? I seem to remember a story about a server first VS kill being done by attacking him through a wall to avoid his lifetaps. At least on this server there is some effort to fix the problem and punish exploiters.

[Dlardlar]

Server pop will rise in few months just catch up

[minakto]

1. all of you quit trolling and trying to scare new players away.

2. Quit saying no one cares or you are going to piss me off and instead of seeing what i can do to cater to your community and making things more fun for you I will find other ways to spend my time.

3. Stop talking shit about the staff (Rogean, Nilbog, Me, Programmers, Guides)

4. stop the wipe it clean/burn it down bullshit. We don't want your deconstructive criticism- if you aren't happy then open a constructive dialogue about it or shut the fuck up. if you don't like it find somewhere else to play and do it silently.

To the OP:

There are any number of reasons why population went down - what it amounts to though is several groups of people are unhappy about X and chose to leave rather than trying in a constructive manner to get it changed.

I am the server GM and im actively working to help improve population. Unfortunately some of these individuals don't appreciate that.

1) do not think they are trolling I believe they are frustrated by the lack of attempt to stimulate population. GM's barely acknowledge any thread that tries to give constructive feedback, the GMs just respond to the obvious trolls and ignore the people actually trying to help

2) It is hard to say anyone cares when it takes forever for stuff to get changed/fixed/implemented. In beta there were bugs that were reported and they are still in game. Necro dots not showing an icon in pvp is just one example.

3) Stop always irrationally protecting the staff. Sometimes the staff need to be criticized when they are slacking off. Do not try to use the " this is a free server". It is free but if your not going to try to fix shit and make the game better thats fine then just tell us that so we dont waste your time and our time. Dont treat us like shit because you guys decided you wanted to create a free eq classic pvp server and then throw it in our face when the project you took upon yourself needs work.

4) i agree on the wipe comments but imo whats worth than wipe comments is seeing that raid mobs were exploited and GMs know it and the gear is still in game. No one expect changes every day but id say at least once a month would be a reasonable expectation to see a patch or something




I will be taking loot away from all the nagafen kills except the last one.




Looks like using a doorway to somehow exploit line if sight in a way that allows you to attack but avoid getting hit by AE's?

Want to explain this one Nihilum?

[Lazortag]

... Sometimes the staff need to be criticized when they are slacking off. ...

How do I know you're a douchebag?

[minakto]

You got your head so far up Amelinda that I belive you are just confused and trying to act cool

And you are trying to call me the douche bag?

[Farvinpop]

Server pop will rise in few months just catch up

Did you see into the future? What would cause the pop to increase at this point?

[Harrison]

global ooc, leaderboards, accelerated xp among others were all sorely needed on day one of the server, now even if they are implemented it may be to late.

Yeah, it had nothing to do with all of you inbred fucksticks publicly exploiting and driving away legitimate players.

Even when caught there are no bans if enough vaginas bleed simultaneously on the forums. Server had no chance after that.

[Shweet]

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Harrison upset that people got unbanned and server pop got higher?

[bobo2]

exp has been the only problem , purpose of the server is pvp , get higher level and get geared up

but oh wait theres 3 months of killing the same mob 8 hours at a time

if people want to grind they do it on blue with groups and items

going to agree with darworth even if you accelerated exp at this point its too late

wipe it clean re roll it 10x xp so casuals can start like everyone else

and delete nihilum and any chance to reform it

[Judge]

5x or 10x exp or something up to lvl 34. or at least 30

Basically the server would linger between 34 and 50. Not to mention it would make a shitload of 34+ exp groups in certain spots and allow for a ton of sub 50 pvp.

Would create a ton of life on this server.


Hey , one can dream! If I had the means to make this type of server and actually did it I would bet a large amount of money it would field 2-300 players nightly.

[Oadina]

QUOTE=Farvinpop;544585]Did you see into the future? What would cause the pop to increase at this point?[/QUOTE]

It's not about seeing into the future, it's about remembering the past. :)

The server pop will stabilize a little higher, because the gaming industry can not release enough games to hold this particular crowds attention for very long. People will get bored, forget why they left, and gravitate back.

As for attracting new players? I would think very few, it's an old game, and not a very easy one. I'm sure there will be the occasional alt or friend, but even they may opt for power lvling. Right now there seems to be a generous amount of people in the 30 to mid 40+ range.. I've had no trouble making friends or finding groups, even without a guild (but I would highly recommend joining one). It was good advise about the choosing a solo class.

Don't let trolls scare you away =) Apparently there's a select group of people that post to the forums, that don't play, they're on strike or something. :rolleyes:

oady~

[Amelinda]

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Harrison upset that people got unbanned and server pop got higher?

Hey jerk. it's not a troll. I do plan to try and have global ooc instituted at least for a test phase.

I"m not a server admin so i can only do so much.

[Shweet]

Hey jerk.

Feelings crushed. Back to Blue99

http://www.quirkins.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/so-ronery.jpg

[Ssleeve]

Hey jerk. it's not a troll. I do plan to try and have global ooc instituted at least for a test phase.

I"m not a server admin so i can only do so much.

It's appreciated Amelinda, just the server pop is very disgruntled atm.

I think some of us forget this is done as some guys hobby and not by a paid team some times.

[fiegi]

http://www.thegeminigeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/People-Yawn.jpg

Sorry to say it but all I see is talk and never any action.

<3 amelinda tho

[purest]

staff neglect is 100% of what killed the server

it quickly became obvious to all that nobody is listening or gives a shit

over-moderating the forums while completely neglecting the actual server won't make the playerbase have any confidence in you either fyi

[Lazortag]

staff neglect is 100% of what killed the server

it quickly became obvious to all that nobody is listening or gives a shit

over-moderating the forums while completely neglecting the actual server won't make the playerbase have any confidence in you either fyi

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/newtmouthbreather.jpg

[purest]

the overwhelming majority of the playerbase has zero confidence in this staff due to the absolute zero amount of dev action there has been since day 1

over-moderating the forums will not change that lack of confidence 1 bit

[fiegi]

Nillbog said in IRC he fixed recharging it just needed to be patched in about 3.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Null said he changed resists for the better and spell damage about 2 weeks ago, still waiting.

Amelinda made a poll about global OOC maybe 1.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Rogean said he would take all ill-gotten dragon loots out about a month ago, still waiting.

Yeah - i'd call that neglect.

[Nirgon]

Sittin' on the tawlet

[Pitborn]

Nillbog said in IRC he fixed recharging it just needed to be patched in about 3.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Null said he changed resists for the better and spell damage about 2 weeks ago, still waiting.

Amelinda made a poll about global OOC maybe 1.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Rogean said he would take all ill-gotten dragon loots out about a month ago, still waiting.

Yeah - i'd call that neglect.

Gunna have to agree. Finding it hard to want to log in lately.

[Abysal]

Nillbog said in IRC he fixed recharging it just needed to be patched in about 3.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Null said he changed resists for the better and spell damage about 2 weeks ago, still waiting.

Amelinda made a poll about global OOC maybe 1.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Rogean said he would take all ill-gotten dragon loots out about a month ago, still waiting.

Yeah - i'd call that neglect.




About sums it up, though unlike pitborn i'm fully immersed atm , but if any or all of these changes were implemented pop would rise, and I believe and rather quickly more would feel the desire to play

[fiegi]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60289

Sums this server up so far.

Kanras fixed the issue with blue diamonds dropping january 12th.

Today is Febuary 4th and I just looted a blue diamond

No patch since then

Fail server, just cut the cord already

[Dlardlar]

Did you see into the future? What would cause the pop to increase at this point?

After hate and fear pop server will get influx so like me I'm in my 20s I'll just keep plugging away at lvls

[Farvinpop]

exp has been the only problem , purpose of the server is pvp , get higher level and get geared up

but oh wait theres 3 months of killing the same mob 8 hours at a time

if people want to grind they do it on blue with groups and items

going to agree with darworth even if you accelerated exp at this point its too late

wipe it clean re roll it 10x xp so casuals can start like everyone else

and delete nihilum and any chance to reform it

That mentality is the problem. Lots of us have been pvping since level 2, not trying to outlevel everyone and THEN start pvping... There is a large amount of people however with that mentality *cough* Nihilum *cough cough* I never felt the exp was a problem here, except perhaps for pvp exp loss.

[Nirgon]

Nillbog said in IRC he fixed recharging it just needed to be patched in about 3.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Null said he changed resists for the better and spell damage about 2 weeks ago, still waiting.

Amelinda made a poll about global OOC maybe 1.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Rogean said he would take all ill-gotten dragon loots out about a month ago, still waiting.

Yeah - i'd call that neglect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=Liqs0k4bXvY

[Velkator]

I'm a pretty new player here still. Got up to level 20 so far.

My only fear is the server shutting down due to inactivity in the not so distant future. I play very casual with my friend only, so the the time invested I feel is very precious. And to think of how much all the lvl 50's have put into this... If it were to shut down.
Would at least hope the characters would be transfered to the blue server if this happened.

But we can only wait and see I guess.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

That mentality is the problem. Lots of us have been pvping since level 2, not trying to outlevel everyone and THEN start pvping... There is a large amount of people however with that mentality *cough* Nihilum *cough cough* I never felt the exp was a problem here, except perhaps for pvp exp loss.

Fix it some of us dont have 12hours aday to regain xp loss from pvp deaths,

I expect to die in pvp sometimes we all do but losing big chunks of the xp we grinded for hour and hours to get is FUCKED

[Dullah]

I don't like pvp exp loss because its not classic, but its not nearly as bad as anyone makes it. Its usually, at worst, 15 minutes of exp to get back.

As a new player, the biggest trouble you will run into will be grouping without a high population and way to organize groups. Global OOC will likely be introduced to try to fix this, though the longer i read the forums, the more i know it will be a horrible idea. Hopefully they find a legit in game way to help those seeking a group.

Other than that, most of the population decline is people near high levels that don't feel that the present content is worth doing over and over while waiting for stuff like sol ro/planes or kunark. This can be seen when the server population literally doubles during a raid where those raiding and those contesting log in 50-100 level 50s that you hardly even see on a day to day basis.

Lots to do, and I'm hopeful things will only get busier as fixes and content are implemented.

[Labanen]

Yeah - i'd call that neglect.thats your interpretation, id call it letting the community know that we are aware of these things and are trying to fix it in our spare time.

They could just as easily ignore it, or make fast and half assed solutions because they are busy irl once in awhile like everyone else. I am glad they dont do neither, i dont agree on all the changes made, or to be made, but wtf, its just a game. I spend alot of hours in this game lately, and i mostly enjoy it... If you do too, then why the fuck would you be so hard on the people that brought it to you, or be so blind to what all the angry posts in here do to new people that are considering to log in for the first time.

[Ssleeve]

I don't like pvp exp loss because its not classic, but its not nearly as bad as anyone makes it. Its usually, at worst, 15 minutes of exp to get back.

As a new player, the biggest trouble you will run into will be grouping without a high population and way to organize groups. Global OOC will likely be introduced to try to fix this, though the longer i read the forums, the more i know it will be a horrible idea. Hopefully they find a legit in game way to help those seeking a group.

Other than that, most of the population decline is people near high levels that don't feel that the present content is worth doing over and over while waiting for stuff like sol ro/planes or kunark. This can be seen when the server population literally doubles during a raid where those raiding and those contesting log in 50-100 level 50s that you hardly even see on a day to day basis.

Lots to do, and I'm hopeful things will only get busier as fixes and content are implemented.

Yeah there is nothing to do, because they all joined 1 mega zerg and pvp is non-existant.

Imagine that, if everyone joins one guild there is no one to pvp.......

[Rushmore]

I think it's worth lvling a character for the point that this server will grow eventually in population. But there are no planes, no Kunark and especially no Velious where I think you will see a population over 300-500.

So level a character up! better now than then.

[Harrison]

Fix it some of us dont have 12hours aday to regain xp loss from pvp deaths,

I expect to die in pvp sometimes we all do but losing big chunks of the xp we grinded for hour and hours to get is FUCKED

Big chunks?

lol your math is bad.

[Xantille]

Nillbog said in IRC he fixed recharging it just needed to be patched in about 3.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Null said he changed resists for the better and spell damage about 2 weeks ago, still waiting.

Amelinda made a poll about global OOC maybe 1.5 weeks ago, still waiting.

Rogean said he would take all ill-gotten dragon loots out about a month ago, still waiting.

Yeah - i'd call that neglect.

QFT

[Ssleeve]

Its worth starting look up a <Velocity> member, running 20 strong atm newb groupage is good times brew.

[Daldaen]

You do all know that during beta testing of this server every other post was "push it live we can beta test on a live server so our pixels don't get wiped". That's partially why you have stuff like common exploits and blue diamonds dropping. Your impatience.

As for all that shit being unfixed, they can only patch it so often.

You wouldn't need global OOC if you just disabled anon/roleplay also.

[Faywind]

Definately not worth starting up on this server, unless you plan to solo exclusively...go blue, population is actually growing over there...red is a waste of time at this point IMO

[CallnOutTheNubs]

Big chunks?

lol your math is bad.

3% xp loss for 1 pvp if im correct is abit much when your 45+
Goodjob recover it in 15mins

Cause wheres theres 1 death your surely gonna be corpse camped maybe even see CR back and 1shotted in pvp some more.

Great server havent had a problem with it yet but xp loss per pvp death needs to be lowered

[Giovanni]

3% xp loss for 1 pvp if im correct is abit much when your 45+
Goodjob recover it in 15mins

Cause wheres theres 1 death your surely gonna be corpse camped maybe even see CR back and 1shotted in pvp some more.

Great server havent had a problem with it yet but xp loss per pvp death needs to be lowered


At 34 the exp penalty upon pvp death is one or two solo blue mob kills. It's no big deal.

[Tassador]

yeah exp death on loss is minute put in item loot ;)

[Harrison]

3% xp loss for 1 pvp if im correct is abit much when your 45+
Goodjob recover it in 15mins

Cause wheres theres 1 death your surely gonna be corpse camped maybe even see CR back and 1shotted in pvp some more.

Great server havent had a problem with it yet but xp loss per pvp death needs to be lowered

There are 100 things more important and relevant to change and/or fix before this miniscule loss of xp.

[Juugox2]

shittt ive had groups from lvl 20-40s not sure what you guys have been doing and i only been on this for about a month now

im a cleric tho :P

[CallnOutTheNubs]

At 34 the exp penalty upon pvp death is one or two solo blue mob kills. It's no big deal.

Im pretty sure people come here to pvp on a pvp server not to pvp on a pvp server and then after have to grind for days too get back there levels they lost.

Servers right hardcore when you gotta worry about pve deaths then pvp deaths taking 3% xp from you each death.

But ya i guess if you got 12hours to play aday this wouldnt be such a big deal for ya.

Guess ill sit back and watch the server die slow. /shrug

[Harrison]

How many times you getting owned to have to "grind for days"? I smell an idiot.

[Darwoth]

Im pretty sure people come here to pvp on a pvp server not to pvp on a pvp server and then after have to grind for days too get back there levels they lost.

Servers right hardcore when you gotta worry about pve deaths then pvp deaths taking 3% xp from you each death.

But ya i guess if you got 12hours to play aday this wouldnt be such a big deal for ya.

Guess ill sit back and watch the server die slow. /shrug

you are a moron

[Srs Not Ames]

Lol, Don't be a tard. If you die more then once and are getting CCed or Bind Camped then just /q out and go eat a sandwich. It takes all of five minutes of grinding to get back your XP loss.

[Steaks2]

dunno i was killed 4 times in past 2 days and i lost 4 blues , thats not small xp

and isnt this a classic server? rallos had no xp loss

[Darwoth]

no, it is not a classic server.

and if it were who said it was an attempt to emulate rallos? why not sullon instead which had full xp loss per death.

[Steaks2]

dunno only rallos was a good server , other one was all clowns newbs and dickbags who couldnt hack it on real red : )

[soulcaller]

Fiegi why do you havea avatar of a 13 year old girl serious are you sick?

[Ssleeve]

Fiegi why do you havea avatar of a 13 year old girl serious are you sick?

His name is Selena Gomez in-game

[Not_Kazowi]

and the most popular red server ever hosted on eqemu.

That is a false statement by a long shot. Red 99 hasn't held a candle to VZTZ by any respect other than remaining somewhat classic.

[oldfish]

Me and some other guy predicted some of what happened.

Holozerg = only way to fight back with xp loss is zerging back = Nihilum

Xp loss on death = people avoiding pvp = people having no content to do 2 months on because of pvp avoidance (go through levels without people engaging you in pvp) = casuals must join zerg or get fucked by gank squads

Now only one prediction remains = most players remaining are the jerk hardcore twinks core who will lulzxploss stomp out any new blood that tries out the server

Sorry to be so negative but this should have been thought out from the start when i did put this input in.

[Ssleeve]

Me and some other guy predicted some of what happened. Most players remaining are the jerk hardcore twinks core who will lulzxploss stomp out any new blood that tries out the server
Sorry to be so negative but this should have been thought out from the start when i did put this input in.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgoh59iBov1qzaxefo1_400.jpg

[Arillious]

Me and some other guy predicted some of what happened.

Holozerg = only way to fight back with xp loss is zerging back = Nihilum

Xp loss on death = people avoiding pvp = people having no content to do 2 months on because of pvp avoidance (go through levels without people engaging you in pvp) = casuals must join zerg or get fucked by gank squads

Now only one prediction remains = most players remaining are the jerk hardcore twinks core who will lulzxploss stomp out any new blood that tries out the server

Sorry to be so negative but this should have been thought out from the start when i did put this input in.

Who could of predicted that people would choose eating snatch over eq though?

[Diggles]

That is a false statement by a long shot. Red 99 hasn't held a candle to VZTZ by any respect other than remaining somewhat classic.
Red99 can hold triple VZTZs pop in the middle of the night and boxing isn't allowed.

[Farvinpop]

dunno only rallos was a good server , other one was all clowns newbs and dickbags who couldnt hack it on real red : )

I can attest to this, honestly back when i first started on EQ RZ was my first pvp server and I would always find myself going back to it. I would actually feel adrenaline when it got down to some fights sometimes because actually losing a valuable piece of gear OR being about to get the kill shot on some twinked out dude is some pretty serious shit. I played on both RZ and SZ. SZ was nothing. Ohhh no you get griefed at any level by max level guys sometimes (and I played on the good team too) but you don't lose any gear or exp. RZ was the shit.

[Farvinpop]

Red99 can hold triple VZTZs pop in the middle of the night and boxing isn't allowed.

But its like RED99 inhabits all the scum of VZTZ much like Australia was founded by british convicts.

[Tassador]

if you like pvp and eq Red99 is the best thing out there. if your going to worry about the pop and crybaby kidtymes then might as well go big on starwars.

[Vamael]

IDK, babies will be babies. I love this server, I dropped practically every game I was juggling, and I don't regret it. This server is a lot of fun. People complain, and they always will. I'm no on this server for anyone else but for my own enjoyment.

[inimegalg]

I'd recommend doing it-- the pop will fluctuate as the server progresses, I seen as many as 200 ppl on recently but as low as 101 during primetime-- It's all good, p1999 blue has been around for many years and I can only assume red will share a similar story, if the pop is low now, level a 50 neway since it's easier and if it ever picks back up guess what you have a 50 to play :)

[Steaks2]

when planes open server will have more people , nothing to do once 50 and have moderate gear , no reason to make an alt , not one to kill in lowbie zones

so people losing interest

open fucking sol ro AT LEAST

[Arillious]

when planes open server will have more people , nothing to do once 50 and have moderate gear , no reason to make an alt , not one to kill in lowbie zones

so people losing interest

open fucking sol ro AT LEAST

They really need to clearly define what is allowed and what is not allowed before they think about opening planes. That's going to be a shit storm of epic proportions. No room for vague rules.

[Nirgon]

Legal unless witnessed

Double and immediate punishments for guild "Holocosts"

[Zalaerian]

They really need to clearly define what is allowed and what is not allowed before they think about opening planes. That's going to be a shit storm of epic proportions. No room for vague rules.

No rules SZ style imoimo

[Nirgon]

No rules SZ style imoimo

Confirmed guild Holocosts scum

[Palemoon]

when planes open server will have more people , nothing to do once 50 and have moderate gear , no reason to make an alt , not one to kill in lowbie zones

so people losing interest

open fucking sol ro AT LEAST



We are supposed to be on an "accelerated release rate" right? We about overdue for Plane of Fear.

Crossing fingers that its opened this comming patch...

[inimegalg]

We are supposed to be on an "accelerated release rate" right? We about overdue for Plane of Fear.

Crossing fingers that its opened this comming patch...

oh yea.. just about full 5 bubs into 50 now to endure those train deaths from both sides. lol.

[Arillious]

No rules SZ style imoimo

That's fine with me.

We need to know what is legal and what isn't so no GM's pop there head in and start banning people for vague shit.

What's more likely, is the only rule will be "No training".

This leaves a lot of grey area and the GM's will have to interpret and enforce the however they decide to. We need a clear list of what is allowed and what is not allowed.

[Grozmok]

WTF happened to this thread?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg/300px-Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg

[Nirgon]

Guild "Holocosts" showed up

[Bruno]

Do you really think those 40 pop servers like VZTZ ever killed raid bosses legitimately?

I don't recall downing any raid mobs on vz/tz emu illegitimately, because this game is easy. Two-boxing, yes, because it was allowed. Never exploiting though.

[Flowz]

They killed the EoV infront of a GM, after searyx, Searyx'd it and it was casting like luclin AE's PvE in EQ isnt hard.

[dusk883]

Wonder what the numbers look like for players who hit 50 and then dont log in because pvp exp loss at that point ain't worth loggin in anymore... I'm about 35 levels away of course as I'm heterosexual and employed, but curious anyway.

[Nirgon]

I'm hetero, employed and not crying about 3% xp loss.

So I'd think I'm in pretty good standings.

[dusk883]

Roger that.

[Nirgon]

exp has been the only problem , purpose of the server is pvp , get higher level and get geared up

but oh wait theres 3 months of killing the same mob 8 hours at a time

if people want to grind they do it on blue with groups and items

going to agree with darworth even if you accelerated exp at this point its too late

wipe it clean re roll it 10x xp so casuals can start like everyone else

and delete nihilum and any chance to reform it

From the genius who brought you this:

what kind of retard plays a bard before pop , are you stupid?

[Steaks2]

sorry dude played a bard for 8 years on live , they are horrible till at LEAST luclin , they cant do anything other then swarm a bunch of crap in an outdoor zone , and with no 2 minute selo fuck that

not to mention mobs can occasionally smash you from far away , i wouldnt swarm anything on red

but yes my original comment holds true ,without FADE , bellow pulls and psalm of veeshan ( and at least GoD Haste song ) bards are garbage , epic is very useful proc for pure melee groups , and theres a dagger from tov that procs a similar haste with great stats , but i dont see anyone getting either of those anytime soon , if ever

but theres so many horrible bards on red and blue that just have no business playing one to begin with , they get one song for a bit of MR a fart haste song and little else , you going to call selos worth a spot in the group ? maybe if your that type , but would you rather look over and see a bard nirgon or another wizard

on beta there was a bard who got 50 first , he spent tons of time swarming , the day he got 50 he went to guk , tried to solo a trash mob , died , and his corpse rotted

id like to see what you could do in guk on a bard nirgon , granted you picked the easiest class in the game , nuke nuke oh shit someone is on me fade nuke nuke win or gate

[Pudge]

1) pop will be going up in the future, once patches and planes come out. it will be slow but pop will rise over time

2) the biggest reason ppl left the server was they didn't have the time/drive to deal with the HORRID exp compared to the vztz. I was one of the ppl who wanted real shit-slow exp, because it meant when you got banned for hacking you weren't coming back 4 days later at level 50 again.. but you guys have been so good at preventing hacks that this isn't a reason to keep exp so slow. at least at the lower levels it might be nice to increase exp rate

[Lazortag]

sorry dude played a bard for 8 years on live , they are horrible till at LEAST luclin , they cant do anything other then swarm a bunch of crap in an outdoor zone , and with no 2 minute selo fuck that

not to mention mobs can occasionally smash you from far away , i wouldnt swarm anything on red

but yes my original comment holds true ,without FADE , bellow pulls and psalm of veeshan ( and at least GoD Haste song ) bards are garbage , epic is very useful proc for pure melee groups , and theres a dagger from tov that procs a similar haste with great stats , but i dont see anyone getting either of those anytime soon , if ever

but theres so many horrible bards on red and blue that just have no business playing one to begin with , they get one song for a bit of MR a fart haste song and little else , you going to call selos worth a spot in the group ? maybe if your that type , but would you rather look over and see a bard nirgon or another wizard

on beta there was a bard who got 50 first , he spent tons of time swarming , the day he got 50 he went to guk , tried to solo a trash mob , died , and his corpse rotted

id like to see what you could do in guk on a bard nirgon , granted you picked the easiest class in the game , nuke nuke oh shit someone is on me fade nuke nuke win or gate

Is this a troll?

0-You don't need selo's or any runspeed buff for ae kiting.
1-I ae kited from 2 to 32 on my Bard, lag and hitboxes were rarely an issue.
2-The best bard haste in kunark is like 45% if I remember correctly. That seems pretty good?
3-Bards get like 4 MR songs. What are you even talking about?
4-Selo's is a huge advantage in a group. Against me, a solo wizard is tough but still killable. A wizard and a Bard is just a death wish.
5-If someone died soloing a trash mob in guk, either they were really bad or they were trying to solo a mob that probably few other classes could solo. I have no issues soloing in guk.
6-A bard is still useful in a dungeon, as you still get the best resist songs in the game. For all your talk about how great wizards are, you say curiously little about resists.

For someone who claims to be an expert on Bards you sure are ignorant about them. Weren't you the same guy who said they couldn't solo pk anyone?

[Steaks2]

Is this a troll?

0-You don't need selo's or any runspeed buff for ae kiting.
1-I ae kited from 2 to 32 on my Bard, lag and hitboxes were rarely an issue.
2-The best bard haste in kunark is like 45% if I remember correctly. That seems pretty good?
3-Bards get like 4 MR songs. What are you even talking about?
4-Selo's is a huge advantage in a group. Against me, a solo wizard is tough but still killable. A wizard and a Bard is just a death wish.
5-If someone died soloing a trash mob in guk, either they were really bad or they were trying to solo a mob that probably few other classes could solo. I have no issues soloing in guk.
6-A bard is still useful in a dungeon, as you still get the best resist songs in the game. For all your talk about how great wizards are, you say curiously little about resists.

For someone who claims to be an expert on Bards you sure are ignorant about them. Weren't you the same guy who said they couldn't solo pk anyone?

45% with no stats does not compare to the songs close to 75 with upwards of 100 point dmg shield and epic attack / str , you missed my point because you never played a bard past velious or p99

your 4 magic resist songs dont stack ( or they arent supposed to ) and only guardian rhythms adds enough to justify twisting endgame

the 2 chorus's ( Velious i believe ? ) Are good , till then suck it

as for you aoe kiting , you must suck because i saw you in oasis and talked to you about aoe kiting and you gave me like ten excuses and in 2 weeks you went from 40-42 doing specs for fucking 8 hours a day

if you knew how to aoe kite you do BB Guards and be done in 1 day , believe me

also if you think your spot in group would be better used adding 30 cold and 30 magic resist compared to having another wizard or cleric the jokes on you jack you value yourself more then others value you

you think you can solo a wizard? id like to see the video of you killing nirgon , i bet you do 10% before he sends you back to bind with a sore ass

you think you can melee a blue frog in guk at 50? id like to see it , youll get raped

and i never said bards werent useful , i played one for a reason i loved bard , they have endless utility if used right , i did some sick shit believe me , shit no one else did , i simply said the practical uses for one and only char you get on p99 isnt worth being a bard , period

every good raid will have a few , but not the amount in the game now

[Lazortag]

your 4 magic resist songs dont stack ( or they arent supposed to ) and only guardian rhythms adds enough to justify twisting endgame

Guardians stacks with all the others, and is supposed to because it's classic. It adds just as much MR as Elemental/Purifying Rhythms. Please stop posting.



as for you aoe kiting , you must suck because i saw you in oasis and talked to you about aoe kiting and you gave me like ten excuses and in 2 weeks you went from 40-42 doing specs for fucking 8 hours a day

Firstly, it takes about 3 hours for me to do a level on specs. If I gained 2 levels in 2 weeks it was because I was playing for less than an hour a day. I'm doing my master's degree so I have less time to play eq. Secondly, our conversations consisted of you telling me to kite in BB. I don't do ae kiting in BB like you suggest because the amount of time it takes to amass a pull, plus my lack of experience with the zone, plus the probability of getting ganked mid-kite makes it too dangerous in my opinion.

also if you think your spot in group would be better used adding 30 cold and 30 magic resist compared to having another wizard or cleric the jokes on you jack you value yourself more then others value you

With a drum at level 50 it's more like 120 MR and 60 CR/FR (or DR/PR). I'm not sure of the exact numbers but just to give a comparison, my 60 Bard on blue99 with naggy drums gives 166 MR and 83 of the other resists.


you think you can solo a wizard? id like to see the video of you killing nirgon , i bet you do 10% before he sends you back to bind with a sore ass


Why do I need a video when a picture is worth a thousand words?

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/Nirgondeadgg.jpg
In all seriousness, I've solo PKed players of every class in legitimate fights (except for Bards - my only kills on Bards have involved me snaring them mid-kite). I'm not bragging, I'm just saying that you have no idea how to play a Bard and that's what motivates your views on the class.


you think you can melee a blue frog in guk at 50? id like to see it , youll get raped

I never said "melee", I said "solo". Like, by using dots, slows, etc. Is this really that hard to understand? You have serious reading comprehension problems and I think everyone can see that you're being extremely silly here. I'm 95% sure you're just trolling since no one could be this obtuse.

[Lulz Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/uVSyG.jpg

[dusk883]

I like this Lazortag guy

[Nirgon]

He's right about songs stacking.

He's wrong about being some kind of tough guy lol.

Show us more of all these kills. Think there's one where he got someone with rez effects, other dubious pictures of mobs being pulled around corpses : /.

[Lazortag]

He's right about songs stacking.

He's wrong about being some kind of tough guy lol.

Show us more of all these kills. Think there's one where he got someone with rez effects, other dubious pictures of mobs being pulled around corpses : /.

You have the totally wrong idea about me. I'm not trying to be some internet badass, I can acknowledge that I'm not great at pvp. The point I'm trying to communicate isn't how good I am, but how bad Steaks (and others who believe Bards can't solo pk) is.

I think I've posted all but one screenshot of my kills on red99. I didn't SS every kill and the ones I did post, well, there's enough of them to show that I'm not full of shit. I mean, just check out the nihilum killshot thread :p. I'm just not going to dig them up for you. I think that's reasonable.

[Nirgon]

You're one of the more competent bards here.

I got a different angle from your post. My apologies, thought you were touting a Rambo bard murdering all lol.

Why the fuck aren't you at least paired up with someone?! Jeesh. Get a little Bundyquest in your life, feels good.

[Tassador]

i still dont know how to take a screenshot in this beotch.

[Steaks2]

im well aware of guardian stacking with elemental or purifying , i mentioned that in my post , its supposed to stack

and you didnt play 2 hours a week and work on your masters you were there for 8 hours a day , i was there remember

I WAS LEVEL 12 WHEN YOU WERE DOING SPECS AT 40 , now im 42 and im a fucking warrior


and as for you killing anyone yea you probably spam mezzed him so specs did the dmg , you sure didnt , and id sure love to see what would happen if you fought him AND MOBS WERENT INVOLVED YOU ASS CLOWN

and btw in any decent pvp battle you will be spamming mez to interrupt casters , twisting selos , dispelling and being cc'd yourself , you wont be able to keep anything up reliably , let alone guardian , elemental and selos , but im sure in your mind you are magically the most epic bard ever, almost everyone in mmo's now thinks they are the best at their class

but goodluck with your masters degree at clown college , who the fuck makes a bard on blue then makes another one on red ?

[Nirgon]

Dude Steaks you need to calm way down.

If you think bards suck, you are mistaken.

He's pestered me in zones many times before and been caught slippin' as well.

His screenshot leaves much to be desired :P.