Bard AoE kiting How-to & Screenshots

[Pringles]

Take luck

Hahaha one of my fave quotes from him :)

[bakkily]

at what lvl can bards start to kite?

[Lazortag]

at what lvl can bards start to kite?

Level 8 (when you're able to start training stringed instruments) or level 18 (when you get the longer range pbae), depends how boss you are.

[nalkin]

Level 8 (when you're able to start training stringed instruments) or level 18 (when you get the longer range pbae), depends how boss you are.

Technically you can start at level 2 if someone sows you and level 5 independently.

[Lazortag]

Technically you can start at level 2 if someone sows you and level 5 independently.

Right but it's unbelievably slow without instrument modifiers. Also, grats on level 50.

[nalkin]

Right but it's unbelievably slow without instrument modifiers. Also, grats on level 50.

Faster than regular if you take a lot of mobs.

[Messianic]

Right but it's unbelievably slow without instrument modifiers. Also, grats on level 50.

It's not horrible - it's actually faster than normal leveling if you're untwinked but are pretty decent at kiting - I cut my teeth doing all the orcs I could find in gfay (and prayed I didn't pull a caster), since I could kite them near the guards if things went awry.

Also, since you're not doing instrument switches, it's a good way to isolate your timing and practice just that :)

But yeah, if you have weapons better than fine steel quality, it's probably faster to just mix songs and beat stuff up.

[Lazortag]

In case anyone cares, this is also a very good leveling method on the new VZTZ server (even though runspeed + instruments are ridiculously broken on that server)

[Tewaz]

New VZTZ? Like how new? And is the EXP rate the same as P1999?

[Lazortag]

New VZTZ? Like how new? And is the EXP rate the same as P1999?

The exp rate is very fast, it's "new" in that it came up only a couple of weeks ago or so. It's fun for goofing off.

[Tewaz]

And AOE Kiting works?

WTS PL!!

[cinar12x]

nice song i like that

[Tewaz]

BOTTT!!!^^^

My favorite part was when he said nice song, like we are bards or something, songs and shiz like that lol.

[Maben]

Thanks for all the info in this thread and other bard threads.

My record is in the last screen shot there - 52 exp mobs (there were a handful of other non exp mobs in that kite but that doesnt count now does it :D )

P.S. The best thing ive found to reduce huge kite lag is shut off shadows. If you play with them on, shut them off before you kite - it saved me TONS of lag and I've been a lot more successful since.

This "P.S." helped me tremendously. I tried all the other "lower settings" options that others have suggested with minimal if any effect. As soon as I turned off shadows my lag significantly improved. Anyone who has other suggestions for kiting post them here!

[Zalgyr]

So does anyone want to post their experiences with City of Mist? I'm loving kiting in OT, and looking forward to BW in a couple more levels (shout-out to Tuneyards for showing me the ropes!), but I'm always interested in a change of pace for a night or two.

~Z

[Pringles]

This "P.S." helped me tremendously. I tried all the other "lower settings" options that others have suggested with minimal if any effect. As soon as I turned off shadows my lag significantly improved. Anyone who has other suggestions for kiting post them here!


Nice! Glad it helped someone else, I havent really seen it mentioned anywhere else, but it was a huge win for me - it was preventing me from doing pretty much anything over 20 mobs.

I did 100% of level 37 in 1 pull, and 100% of level 38 in another pull :) Level 39 was ~2 pulls, and now I'm 40. Leveling flies at this rate, my problem is time IRL.... I have none left to play as much as I would like.

[Tewaz]

True, shadows are the big killer. Also, I am hoping for some info on CoM kiting. If not, Zalgyr and I will make our own strategy!

[Zalgyr]

Tewaz, looks like it's you and me for CoM. Want to give it a try this week? I'll run over with you.

Also, those of you who are doing BW (or have done it) - a question! I gave the zone an initial spin last night en route to DL. In OT I only used DDD for kiting due to the extra 5 range - when I kited with only DDD in BW, the mobs seemed to be regenning almost as fast as I could kill them off. Have you found this to be the case, and if so, do you usually kite with all 3 songs (CoD, DDD, and CoC)? I'm not a HUGE fan of using the 30 range songs, but I'll do it if I have to...or I'll just do spirocs.

Cheers!

[Tewaz]

Zalgyr, Tuneyards told me he uses all three songs since the mobs in BW have atleast 4 times the hp of mobs in OT. Also, I got some info on kiting in CoM that got shared by PM, I will post it on here in a bit. I will be doing some hardcore CoM Wednesday night, my bard is already over in TT, hit me up!

[Tewaz]

Did some CoM last night and it was pretty fun. I pulled in and around the goo house. The difficulty really is in pulling.
If I had a monk to FD pull everything to me for the kite, it would have been better.
I recommend pulling everything you see EXCEPT the goos. They have very high MR and their HP is gigantic. I was level 46 and they were blue, white, and yellow. I was doing a kite and the goo had 75% hp left when the rest of the kite died. After that I charmed the goo and murdered some golems which worked well since the goo was hitting for 120.

Good luck to anyone else that tries.

[Lazortag]

Did some CoM last night and it was pretty fun. I pulled in and around the goo house. The difficulty really is in pulling.
If I had a monk to FD pull everything to me for the kite, it would have been better.
I recommend pulling everything you see EXCEPT the goos. They have very high MR and their HP is gigantic. I was level 46 and they were blue, white, and yellow. I was doing a kite and the goo had 75% hp left when the rest of the kite died. After that I charmed the goo and murdered some golems which worked well since the goo was hitting for 120.

Good luck to anyone else that tries.

Try aoe kiting the captain camp in KC :p I bet it's doable.

[Tewaz]

I was actually looking at that court yard last night Giegue and considering it lol. With the addition of a monk for pulling, we could do so many things. I was thinking about Solb and the open area where Naggy spawns...could be fun with non-casters.

[Arkanjil]

I recommend pulling everything you see EXCEPT the goos. They have very high MR and their HP is gigantic. I was level 46 and they were blue, white, and yellow. I was doing a kite and the goo had 75% hp left when the rest of the kite died. After that I charmed the goo and murdered some golems which worked well since the goo was hitting for 120.

Good luck to anyone else that tries.

At 48, it becomes immensly easier to kite the goos with the addition of another DoT and they resist a lot less. I did CoM from 40 (staying mostly to haze golems/stables area) then up to 52-53. I started kiting the moat at around lvl 46 and it worked fine. At 48, everything on the 1st floor was easy game. Pulling mobs is the only challenge. You take a lot of hits rounding up mobs and with the weird pathing, you have to make sure you herd them up around each other. Doing circles around goo house, I've had mobs follow me in the circle, then had a few randomly turn tail and head me off in the other direction, and me not noticing it, ran right into them.

I loved CoM though and it was a fun challenge and had some good gem drops/EC loot.

[Mcbard]

Try aoe kiting the captain camp in KC :p I bet it's doable.

It is. :)

[Tewaz]

^SS or it didn't happen!

[Grahm]

If you rolled a Bard, I or another Bard could easily PL it to 18. We could spend a few pages of this thread contemplating ways to do that :p

Is this still true! I have a level 10 bard and would love to get 20+ to start kiteing

[Maben]

Been doing OT since level 30, i'm 44 now and things are starting to slow down. Some tips for people looking to kite in OT (and i definitely recommend it, it's crazy exp):

-Not sure about berzerkers, but the sarnak knights definitely run faster than other mobs. I saw a pic earlier with knights in it and I dunno how you can do that...

-I only do succulents and cockatrices. The tigers run the same speed but definitely have slightly longer reach. Almost every time i kited with them I died, and the couple times I didn't was only because I was lucky enough to avoid stuns when I got hit. I've seen plenty of people do it but maybe it's just not for me. (I use both DoTs, if you just used DDD I suppose it would be pretty easy but take a lot longer)

-Probably gonna leave at 45 or 46, should I hit up TD next? Am I going to have similar problems with the raptors as I did with the tigers?

[Zalgyr]

@Maben: Yeah, i used DDD when i did OT so that I could add in the tigers. Takes a bit longer but the exp is way better with all those higher level mobs!

I'd also be curious to hear tales of kiting in TD (raptors/spirocs). Thinking of giving these a try tonight. Spirocs have shamans in the mix though, gives me some pause...and I don't know how the melee range is on raptors. CoM has too many lblues and pathing issues for my tastes, I think... I always kite super conservative (is that an oxymoron?).

@Tewaz, if you're serious about trying KC or the Naggy area, I know just the monk to pull for us (and just the cleric to rez us during the learning curve)...hit me up.

[Maben]

@Maben: Yeah, i used DDD when i did OT so that I could add in the tigers. Takes a bit longer but the exp is way better with all those higher level mobs!

I'd also be curious to hear tales of kiting in TD (raptors/spirocs). Thinking of giving these a try tonight. Spirocs have shamans in the mix though, gives me some pause...and I don't know how the melee range is on raptors. CoM has too many lblues and pathing issues for my tastes, I think... I always kite super conservative (is that an oxymoron?).

@Tewaz, if you're serious about trying KC or the Naggy area, I know just the monk to pull for us (and just the cleric to rez us during the learning curve)...hit me up.

TD raptors: melee range is actually very small, had no problems kiting these at all. Were heavily camped at the time and people got mad at me so I left. Would not recommend anyways tho, they have WAYY too much health for the exp they give.

Spirocs: Much easier to do, I died the first time because of the casters though. Casters are static spawns on the mountain, you can avoid them easily by only pulling the ones on the ground and in the aviary. Didn't like it here either though because of horrible pathing while pulling. Unlike SK, you can't just aggro the top and run down to pull them all. If you are patient and pull with DoTs from the ground, or have levitate you could do it I suppose.

DL: Don't really recommend here either. Chickens are annoying to pull while avoiding all the other mobs and I could only get like a dozen or so per pull.

I did OT from 30-47. 47-48 I did grouped and a couple kites in DL. Doing Burning Woods now...it's a whole new challenge :D Just got my 3rd PB AE song too.

[citizen1080]

I may have missed it..I think I've read the whole thread at one point or another...but other than gathering up mobs I don't use selo's at all...or sow pots....go get some Jboots and you have a safe constant speed to kite with all the time.

[Amirite]

also make sure if your in OT and run over someone killing a lonely cacti with your 30+ train of mostly CACTI and then you DIE, THEY DIE.. jerks :(

[citizen1080]

also make sure if your in OT and run over someone killing a lonely cacti with your 30+ train of mostly CACTI and then you DIE, THEY DIE.. jerks :(

You act as if this is really like classic where when you med you're staring at your spell book =p

switch to 3rd person and watch out for bards!

[Francois]

http://i55.tinypic.com/2isimxh.png

As you can see in the lower right hand corner, sometimes I make mistakes.

[Amirite]

You act as if this is really like classic where when you med you're staring at your spell book =p

switch to 3rd person and watch out for bards!


i was in 3rd person, 30 cactis on you out of no where = no way in hell to avoid it

and by the time i seen the train comin through it was alredy in my direction!

all are still jerks imo :rolleyes:

[SearyxTZ]

I just got started with this (+ can't hit harriers/avocets yet)


bigger things yet to come

http://i.imgur.com/Rkti8.jpg

[hellbent]

my first try!

LEVEL 2 SERIOUS RED KILLING BUSINESS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quCK4faw-bk

the one kill i get is around 9:48 but then i turn poorly and die. Still, killing reds at level 2 untwinked feels pretty rad.

[rayman121985]

What ui and spell icons are that? Real cool!!

[bakkily]

i've never played a bard, well once i did on live got to lvl 10, but at what lvl can bards start to solo? and how long does it take to kill about 7-15 mobs doing aoe, run and aoe more kite?

[Hogie]

i've never played a bard, well once i did on live got to lvl 10, but at what lvl can bards start to solo? and how long does it take to kill about 7-15 mobs doing aoe, run and aoe more kite?

The poster above you proved it is possible once you get your lvl 2 dot, but at that level you will of course need SoW. I was able to kill about 15-20 mobs in WC on my lvl 9 Bard that is semi twinked. Being twinked helps to learn how to kite at low levels monumentally! If you get hit by 1 mob and it stuns you at these levels without good gear you are for sure dead. Even being twinked you will die if they get more than 2 rounds off on you.

I quit my bard and AoE kiting only because I did not have the time, but it is a lot of fun. I was able to play a friends bard that was level 20 and it is much easier. I still recommend having SoW or buying SoW potions, but it is completely possible at level 2 once you get your first DoT song.

[Waffen]

my first try!

LEVEL 2 SERIOUS RED KILLING BUSINESS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quCK4faw-bk

the one kill i get is around 9:48 but then i turn poorly and die. Still, killing reds at level 2 untwinked feels pretty rad.

although you were mostly successful in your tactics, i've always found it much easier to change your character point of view when trying to aoe kite, but hell, whatever works! /2cp

[Lazortag]

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/aekiteHS.jpg

Howling stones entrance mobs, and also Swishahouse.

[Doors]

http://i.imgur.com/BOyBd.jpg

[Tewaz]

Nice Giegue!

[Holey]

NCIE PIC NALKINrofl

[meng]

27 mobs at lvl 33

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n40/her0_hua/Game%20Screens/kite.jpg

[Swishahouse]

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/aekiteHS.jpg

Howling stones entrance mobs, and also Swishahouse.

Ahh man! I remember this!!! We have had some super fun and profitable times in Charasis. Lets go again soon bro =)

[hotstud]

Can I join your club guys?

http://i.imgur.com/9Iy3l.png

[Swishahouse]

One of my first packets. Used only the lvl 2 DoT. It was going on so long the corpses started depopping =(

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WXJJ-nf2Y1E/ToBoMhAX78I/AAAAAAAABV8/x63nvl-Pp38/s1280/EQ000005.jpg

[SyanideGas]

Im tempted to make a bard....Its a painful desire.

[hotstud]

One of my first packets. Used only the lvl 2 DoT. It was going on so long the corpses started depopping =(

That's pretty normal. If I'm landing both DoD and CoD nonstop there will probably still be a couple corpse rots by the end and I can rarely land them nonstop.

I would also like to apologize to Zial the Druid. I accidentally aggroed a mob he had snared (thought it was a roamer) which of course transferred his aggro to all my mobs. I ran his snared mob to guards and started kiting. About halfway through suddenly the mobs took off running so I ran up ahead and found Zial was low on health from a fight. Started shouting, "RUN BITCH RUN" but he was AFK and got owned. Sorry Zial.. P.S. Please post the screen shot your guild mate took of me "training mobs", I would like it for my personal collection.

[Hmotzart]

Still keeping a EYE on the bardo activity on p99.. If life would only slow down I would come back. Keep up the good work folks. and TIGHTEN up them circles people!!!!!!!!

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/168/eq000093.png

[hotstud]

If I didn't know you were just a pro Bard all star I might think you were using MQ2 /circle macro. What an amazing circle.

[Lazortag]

Fun fact: there was a bard from peace pipe who used some kind of pecking mechanism on his turn key so that he could kite in perfect circles (at least that's what he told me). I really wasn't sure if it was against the rules and I thought it was so cool so I never said anything about it.

Also, I've been aoe kiting on the red99 beta in what little spare time I have using the strafing/cursor turning method since level 2. I don't even require any speed buff and I can kite dozens of mobs at once (including some big mobs like giant bats etc.).

[georgie]

at what level can i mass pull? or what song would i need

[Lazortag]

at what level can i mass pull? or what song would i need

At level 2 you can mass pull in north qeynos if you really want, you just have to make sure you're strafing the entire time and that you never ever get stunned which is difficult. You mostly need to rely on social aggro or else you will get pulverized the moment a mob gets a stun off.

[georgie]

At level 2 you can mass pull in north qeynos if you really want, you just have to make sure you're strafing the entire time and that you never ever get stunned which is difficult. You mostly need to rely on social aggro or else you will get pulverized the moment a mob gets a stun off.

what is a good combo for a bard? i'm starting up on the PvP server and i'm thinking a wiz, dru...not sure

and i want to use the kite method to catch up in levels

[Mystro]

Still keeping a EYE on the bardo activity on p99.. If life would only slow down I would come back. Keep up the good work folks. and TIGHTEN up them circles people!!!!!!!!

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/168/eq000093.png

Impressive!, I find after 30mobs my pc starts to lag and I usually get killed lol.. But very nice kite.

[Moonface]

Impressive!, I find after 30mobs my pc starts to lag and I usually get killed lol.. But very nice kite.

Aye, mine can only handle about 35ish mobs before the lag starts sending my drive inward to the mobs.

[Daldaen]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000000-2.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000001-1.jpg

I'm learning! Just needa figure out how to do it with selos and not sow hehe.

[SyanideGas]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000000-2.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000001-1.jpg

I'm learning! Just needa figure out how to do it with selos and not sow hehe.

having the same problems bro,haha. I checked out the guide on p99's wiki its reeaally awesome.

[Daldaen]

Hehe I was too overweight and got ruined twice in a row just now Q_Q. Really wish hitboxes on mobs weren't so big.

[Extunarian]

[QUOTE=georgie;421454i'm starting up on the PvP server
...
and i want to use the kite method to catch up in levels[/QUOTE]

Just make sure there is no one around who can cast root or snare...

[Lazortag]

So I've been kiting on the red99 beta using the strafing method and I'm finding that it's kind of weird in South Karana, because the centaurs move faster than the aviaks/gnolls, so I keep having to finish off the centaurs first before I can begin killing the other mobs. It's still good exp and extremely fast but I'm wondering if anyone knows a way around this problem? I guess I could kite in circles again but I find that really draining.

[Daldaen]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000005-1.jpg

Rawr

[Mcbard]

That pic brings back so many memories. Nice job!

[Connador]

I was handed equipment and 100pp in gold from a random ranger as a welcome, thank you very much!

I didn't get an after picture, but you'll have to believe me that I managed to kite 26 mobs without taking damage once. :-) (http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/578936112098851424/D2475E76AE80CE6834ECAFEFD536E4EDA71A4125/)

Edit:
Got a SoW and Skin like Nature from a kind druid and it made me want to try out the willowisps at level 7.. so I did. Kited 6, but looted one before thinking to take a screenshot! (http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/578936112099451639/640D2C4F41300181E63DDD5FD0FB9E9792B5D270/)

Edit 2:

Here's a video, I'm pretty sure I almost get steamrolled halfway through. Still need to set up hotkeys so I can save my mouse clicking hand from death. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg9Tk0YZmao)

That is the first time I've switched instruments while kiting (hit level 8 so I could do stringed instruments) so go easy on me, haha.

[bizzum]

So I've been kiting on the red99 beta using the strafing method and I'm finding that it's kind of weird in South Karana, because the centaurs move faster than the aviaks/gnolls, so I keep having to finish off the centaurs first before I can begin killing the other mobs. It's still good exp and extremely fast but I'm wondering if anyone knows a way around this problem? I guess I could kite in circles again but I find that really draining.

I was able to do all of the aviaks, gnolls, and centaurs without a problem, although for some reason it took a little bit to get used to. I thought that the hitbox of the chargers was bigger than the rest and that was what was screwing me up, but after maybe three or four goes I never really had a problem after that. I was doing strafing with mouse turning and had no problem. I guess this really doesn't help anything, but I guess Ill add my SS of kiting them :)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2627/eq000015.png

By strafing I assume you meant autorunning and strafing while making circles with the mouse. I find if you can keep it steady and slide a little larger circle then swing in a little bit more towards the end and you can catch them all. I do agree though, after 5-6 kites my hand needs a rest =/

[bizzum]

Im finally finishing up OT and I finally learned how to make almost as pretty of circles as Hmozart :p

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6071/eq000032.png

[Nestea]

Im finally finishing up OT and I finally learned how to make almost as pretty of circles as Hmozart :p

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6071/eq000032.png

I tip my hat to you sir

[georgie]

just recieved my first yellow from a swarm kite wasn't as big as most bards but it was like 15 spiders getting the hang of it

[bizzum]

just recieved my first yellow from a swarm kite wasn't as big as most bards but it was like 15 spiders getting the hang of it

Nice which spiders are you doing? I never had luck with Krag spiders, and can't think of anything else.

[georgie]

Nice which spiders are you doing? I never had luck with Krag spiders, and can't think of anything else.

well tarantulas and scarabs in nro. i'm only 12, getting better going from making no AE dots to making 3 in a row

[Awwalike]

damn you guys are all pretty good!

[Pyronost]

Just to toss my lot in there, I just started swarming tonight in EK (doing dogs only atm), and Im not gonna lie, this shit is challenging lol. I think the most ive managed so far was a 15 pull (mainly because I couldn't find any more puppies up that weren't green). Oddly enough, at level 18, I found it easier to use a SoW rather than my own selo's. The SoW from the upper level druid made it SO much easier to close the circle, drop the dot, and spin back out again.

I tried mouse strafing for the first half hour or so, and either my mouse hand is retarded, or Im doing something wrong. I always seem to turn in way to hard, and as a result, catch a heavy mouthful of dirt to show for it.

Overall, in four hours of kiting 10-15 at a time, I gained slightly more exp than I lost, but I think Im starting to get the hang of keyboard turn mashing.

[Lazortag]

I've grown to the point where having any kind of movement buff is too fast. I just go pure strafing all the way. Where in EK did you kite? By the gorge? I hate that part because I always run into the walls and die, hahaha. If there's a better place to kite in then I'd love to know about it.

[Softcore PK]

Pet peeve of mine: swarm kiting was charm kiting, which is impossible to do here. What you people do is not swarming, it's simply AE kiting.

[Diggles]

uh no, swarm kite is swarm kite and charm kite is charm kite.

[Softcore PK]

No, swarm kiting was called swarm kiting because when you charmed an NPC and had it attack one of the others, all the NPCs you were kiting around would swarm the pet and beat it down.

[Pyronost]

I've grown to the point where having any kind of movement buff is too fast. I just go pure strafing all the way. Where in EK did you kite? By the gorge? I hate that part because I always run into the walls and die, hahaha. If there's a better place to kite in then I'd love to know about it.

I usually only strafe when the things manage to stun me. Its nice to have a clean getaway when I go from 100% to 20-30%. And yeah, I drag everything up to the mouth of the gorge. Plenty of room to circle around. As for the people making perfect circles, I have no IDEA how you're doing it, unless you're auto-circling.

Aaaand pretty sure we can call kiting whatever we'd like. This isn't live, mechanics don't work like live. If I feel like calling it blitzkreig kiting, I'll do just that. The fact that a big ass swarm of mobs is following me makes it a swarm kite in my mind. Its a generic term. AE kiting is fairly specific, as is charm kiting. We shall call it what suits us best, eh?

This thread has been fairly clean so far, lets keep the trollin to a minimum.

[georgie]

Pet peeve of mine: swarm kiting was charm kiting, which is impossible to do here. What you people do is not swarming, it's simply AE kiting.

ok well this is emu not live. this is what we call it and prepared to get fucked up on r99 you just insulted our bard intelligence its going down now

[Softcore PK]

As I said, just a pet peeve.

[georgie]

just ruined my fucking day

[Softcore PK]

The truth hurts :(

[Diggles]

Especially when the "truth" comes from a blithering idiot. The only reason swarm kiting refers to charming now is because classic swarm kiting is impossible on Live, mobs don't take damage from bard dots while moving

[Lazortag]

You guys are so mean :(

[Pyronost]

Hey geigue! Tried to find ya online, but it seems you're hidden somewhere in game :p Ive got it down to the point where I can kite around groups of 10 or so without issue (not getting hit at all). However, I find once I move beyond this, and start picking up more types of mobs (nothing larger than a humanoid), Im having issues grouping them all into one lump of potential exp. They get spread out, and thus I end up only hitting half the pack when I get in close enough for the dots to land.

Tips?

[Pyronost]

• L1-18ish: Field of Bone, great zone.

• L7ish: The bandit sister camp in GFay (location #3)

• L10-12ish: The orcs in LFay (locations #6 & 11)

• L9-15ish: Willowisps in NK, WC, or possibly Kerra Isle in Erudin’s crossing. Beware, Kerra does not have many flat surfaces and there is no zone lines if you need to reset, so probably not a good idea.

• L13-15ish: The Derv and orc camps in SRo or NRo, lulling the casters and taking them out solo afterward. I usually also went in the desert and grabbed some extra roaming undead/dervs. (locations #3, 5, 6, & 10; although more locations in the southern portion are orc camps. I just found those listed to have fewer/no casters.)

• L14-18: Field of Bone. Good spot North East of Kurn’s and a plethora of mobs to kite.

• L16-19ish: LOIO fields. (I did 17 off the skellies/lower level sarnaks between locations #4, 5, 7 & 9. I did 16-20 off the non-caster wanderers between locations #9 and 13)

• L18-30+: South Karana – Anything and everything. Beware of non-bard classes and their curious philosophy called “Camps”.

• L17-24ish????: Gorge hounds, undead gnolls, all kinds of delightful mobs. I need someone to add some input on this zone, since I have never kited it.

• L20-26: Iksar outcast camps in WW and the lower level field portion of OT. (WW locations #B, 9, 10, 11 and OT field between locations #5, 6, 9, 10). OT is off-the-charts exp at this level range. If you can gather up the whole area, you are looking at ~45min/level during this range.

• 26-28The EXP really started to slow down in OT, so I headed back to WW and continued on the iksar outcast camps there. Was slower, but I didn't have to spend half my kite gathering up LB mobs.

• 29-30: I am doing this portion on the Drolvargs in FV. I have to admit, this range is by far the most dangerous I've done so far. The drolvargs are larger than most MOBs I've kited so far, and therefore have a larger hitbox, while I still have to be within 35 measurement units to hit them with my 18 dot. I have really perfected my distance/selo's speed, while also dieing much more than I would have liked in this level range. I gather up yellow/blue drolvargs while avoiding froglocks (especially casters) and other red dogs. It's actually not that hard to do. On this map of FV, I gather drolvargs from the area surrounded by points #3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and A on the map, and then I take them back towards the NorthEastern Swamp of No Hope zone line as there are no wanderers back there. I'd recommend only pulling a few until you perfect your skills, as I have gotten stunned and 1-rounded (or even not stunned and one-rounded) more often than I'd like to admit. These dogs can take me to probably 35 or so, but I think I may try to find some MOBs to kite that aren't quite so deadly. The good news is I can sell/bank without zoning.

• 31-40: I went back to OT and started kiting the Western/Southern areas of the zone. Basically any blue-red mob (besides dragoons) between the Outpost, SF, FM, the center valley and location #10 on this map of Overthere is fair game. I do recommend you pull only cockatrices, tigers, and cacti. They all move at the same speed. Rhinos move faster, but selos is much faster and a rhino-only kite would certainly work. Some Sarnaks cast, and I'm moving way too fast to check names to see if I'm about to pull a caster or not. This post shows some kites where I had probably 50+ mobs in my kite (figuring 1-2%/kill, and I know I made 100% of a level for each of those 2 kites). You can make some pretty awesome pulls. I've pulled so many that the dot spam insta-crashed EQ to desktop (creating a crappy CR).

• 40-46ish???: Dreadlands, drovlargs. Hopefully Hmo will come give some inputs on which walls of Karnors he used, etc, etc.

• 46-52ish: Spectres in Feerott or Oasis

Kind of stumped after this. I did all my kiting in Velious on live after level 30, so not the best source for this information.

Also, does anyone have any information on TD, I remember being there on live, doing Aviaks or raptors maybe? I cannot remember what level they are.

This list is in no way exhaustive, so feel free to add to it and repost it.

Eastern Karana - Gorge Hounds & Griffawns were my main staple, this is a *great* place to start learning to swarm if you're level 18 and just starting. I normally use the entrance to the Gorge of King Xorbb when I begin circling, as it's nice and flat, clear of trees, etc. Caution though, the two lionesses and two griffawns patrol into the mouth, so either grab them and pack them into the herd, or be aware. Farther to the south is a large hill that has gnolls and undead gnolls depending on the time of day. Be careful of the spiders on the way back to the Gorge though, as their range is considerably larger than anything else mentioned above.

**Edit - Keep an eye out for the undead gnolls skeleton pet at the top of the hill, as well as the floating eyes (Enchanter class) that are roaming around from time to time. Nasty little shits.

[Pyronost]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Pyronost/EQ000001.jpg

A modest 58 mobs, and a ding to 40.

[falkun]

Especially when the "truth" comes from a blithering idiot. The only reason swarm kiting refers to charming now is because classic swarm kiting is impossible on Live, mobs don't take damage from bard dots while moving

No, "swarm" kiting refers to charming because Live aggro table works (worked?, I haven't played Live since '04) in such a way that gathering a group, charming 1, then having it attack another in the pack will turn the ENTIRE pack onto the 1 charm. Thus the "swarm" you have gathered turns on 1 mob and makes very short work of it. Swarm kiting does not work on P99 because the "swarm" does not transfer aggro to the charmed pet like it does (did?) on live; on P99 the one mob your pet is attacking will turn on your pet, but the rest will stay aggroed on the bard.

And machin576 (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=278022&postcount=121)'s post is not the original (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=248109&postcount=8). He added some updates, but I'd like at least -some- credit.

[Calamitous Oeuvre]

I noticed there was not an audio triggers folder in my EQ folder, I made one and named it both Audio Triggers and AudioTriggers but neither seemed to work for me, so I figured I would turn to the community and ask what the folder needs to be called.

I created the folder in my EQ directory, btw. Also, I deleted all unnecessary files (everything but classic, Kunark, and Velious) from my EQ folder.

[Mcbard]

I believe audio triggers are disabled. Not classic.

[Szeth]

SESAME STREET

[Doodle]

What methods does everyone use as a bard to kite? Does everyone have their own unique way? Right now my bard is level 7 and I use the level 2 AoE DoT with Selos.

I basically round up all the mobs and then start running in a circle(using forward and tapping left or right) until they are close together. Then I break the circle and do a tangent type move by doing a normal left or right strafe until they are just within range of me. (Have to time it right because if they get too close they'll hit me.)

I hit them with the dot then strafe/turn away the other direction to move away. Then start circling again.

Mostly do sort of a large figure eight with that or an oval. I know some might say "whatever works" but if people are running in a consistent circles and getting it done just as well, I wanna know. Especially when not using SoW or Selos.

Also, do you get hit often? Usually 1 out of every 5 attempts to DoT, I'll get hit by the mobs.

Not sure if it's because I use that AoE DoT and it's close range that makes it risky.




Side question - What are some good mobs to kite from 8 to 18 around the Qeynos area? I was doing Gnolls outside Splitpaw but doesn't quite hit the spot anymore and there's not enough of them.

[georgie]

lol at people that argue about the name of a technique

[georgie]

What methods does everyone use as a bard to kite? Does everyone have their own unique way? Right now my bard is level 7 and I use the level 2 AoE DoT with Selos.

I basically round up all the mobs and then start running in a circle(using forward and tapping left or right) until they are close together. Then I break the circle and do a tangent type move by doing a normal left or right strafe until they are just within range of me. (Have to time it right because if they get too close they'll hit me.)

I hit them with the dot then strafe/turn away the other direction to move away. Then start circling again.

Mostly do sort of a large figure eight with that or an oval. I know some might say "whatever works" but if people are running in a consistent circles and getting it done just as well, I wanna know. Especially when not using SoW or Selos.

Also, do you get hit often? Usually 1 out of every 5 attempts to DoT, I'll get hit by the mobs.

Not sure if it's because I use that AoE DoT and it's close range that makes it risky.




Side question - What are some good mobs to kite from 8 to 18 around the Qeynos area? I was doing Gnolls outside Splitpaw but doesn't quite hit the spot anymore and there's not enough of them.

that's alot of work. just strafe run and which ever way your going just turn into the swarm slowly instead of tapping using your mouse and right clicking. while you start turning in your song should be casted

[Mattyvee]

new to bard kiting but im gettin the hang of it - - - 20+ corpses

http://i43.tinypic.com/2d7g0h0.jpg

[tsaC]

zzzz... perfect circles errry time. No bard on my level. 60hour long kite sessions w/ two broken (fractured) wrists. Biggest pull was probably entire SK zone at 30, got 25% of hell level.

Depending on time of day (due to zone in lag), would twist L18 dot or L2/18 dots while substituting instruments on cursor

http://i44.tinypic.com/ddt0n.jpg

[nalkin]

zzzz... perfect circles errry time. No bard on my level. 60hour long kite sessions w/ two broken (fractured) wrists. Biggest pull was probably entire SK zone at 30, got 25% of hell level.

Depending on time of day (due to zone in lag), would twist L18 dot or L2/18 dots while substituting instruments on cursor


You seem new to bards... didn't you ragequit red after you couldn't compete with the other players? Plus didn't you sort of brag about dying more than anyone else on the server? Im gonna go out on a limb and say there are paraboly some better bards out there...


I'd be interested in knowing how much exp I really did w/ exp leeching/exp penalties/75+ exp deaths/44 Levels, lol god damn if it isn't over 60. I'll take a free L60 if kunark ever comes out. I do think its funny that anyone would try bragging about their snail-pace, poopsock necessary leveling to 50 after I didn't play for over 3 days straight, another 1-2 stint, had pretty much leveled the two highest level characters on the server L28/9+L25, did it all solo (well reverse-solo considering the above), vs..


Sidenote: look at how hes bragging that he didn't play for a whole 3-day period. TELL ME THAT AINT FUNNY

[veto]

Looks like lots of fun coach cast!

[georgie]

http://i44.tinypic.com/wbrswx.jpg

dont need a ui

[Awwalike]

I see a UI

[georgie]

AND I DONT USE IT SON

[Rykerz]

I just started to learn how to kite from level 8, this is a screen shot of my largest kite so far of 47 mob at FOB, went from level 15 2 yellow to 16 almost 1 yellow.

P.S.: Just broke my record and did a 51 mob kite

http://www.kliphotography.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/47kite.jpg

[Cast]

Where in EK did you kite? By the gorge? I hate that part because I always run into the walls and die, hahaha.

^bad

[nalkin]

^bad

Aren't you admittedly one of the worst bards to be a part of p99 which eventually led you to rage quit red because you were so bad you died 70 times?


I'd be interested in knowing how much exp I really did w/ exp leeching/exp penalties/75+ exp deaths/44 Levels, lol god damn if it isn't over 60. I'll take a free L60 if kunark ever comes out.


Also LOL at this:

Depending on time of day (due to zone in lag), would twist L18 dot or L2/18 dots while substituting instruments on cursor

OMG you would *sometimes* actually use both songs!! Can you believe that Geegoo? BOTH SONGS!!

\fistbump Geegoo

[Cast]

Admittedly bad? No, I admitted that the server is coded/or hosted improperly as I've never experienced lag from players zoning in, out, or leveling up in my zones - not even circa 1999 when I played EverQuest, son.

Pretty obvious to see I never died when no one was in/zoning in/out of zone by death logs but if you'd prefer to twist words go for it! sounds like you're mad that someone with 5hours of experience as a bard is better at PVEing with it than you are? Damn bros sorry you dedicated your life to making videos on how to kite mindlessly and make guides about it. Think of all the money you could have made with an ebook !!! aka you bad

[nalkin]

Reserving this space so I can pwn Cast again tomorrow as a Christmas present to myself.

[Cast]

Reserving this space so I can pwn Cast again tomorrow as a Christmas present to myself.

aka you bad

[Cast]

still bad

[nalkin]

Admittedly bad? No, I admitted that the server is coded/or hosted improperly as I've never experienced lag from players zoning in, out, or leveling up in my zones - not even circa 1999 when I played EverQuest, son.

Pretty obvious to see I never died when no one was in/zoning in/out of zone by death logs but if you'd prefer to twist words go for it! sounds like you're mad that someone with 5hours of experience as a bard is better at PVEing with it than you are? Damn bros sorry you dedicated your life to making videos on how to kite mindlessly and make guides about it. Think of all the money you could have made with an ebook !!! aka you bad

Merry christmas to myself, here we go.

Admitting you had 70+ xp deaths is admittance that you are terrible. For you to not even understand that speaks to how awful you actually are. Repeating a process that was perfected before you played takes nothing. Innovating that process is everything. So grats (i guess) on sometimes repeating the process, but dying 70+ times is hardly successful lol. Whats hilarious is that you are probably doing the method Hmozart made popular, which is far easier than the way I used to kite, in whch I was still way more successful than you. I have never died kiting on red, its retardedly easy, you just suck. Geegoo and I had such a good laugh when you tried to brag about SOMETIMES using both songs. Gawd that still cracks me up.

Instead, I died over 75 times to mobs. That's what my logs say anyways, I contend it should be a lot more, though I didn't necessarily ragelog all that much so I guess its close...


Furthermore, you have actually probably spent more hours PVEing on a bard than I have, because on blue99 i was actually successful and leveled quickly, and you were so terrible and obsessed. Heres some funny/extremely sad quotes you wrote in your rage novel:

Fact was, I had mentally planned on hitting 50 in 5-6 days played, and I had less than 2 weeks to hit it

I kited for over 24 hours straight with a hand that I couldn't even feel. My only "break time" was logging or running back to my corpse courtesy of shitbox.

I definitely felt and feel I wasted 8 days (/played) of my life. ^ that was about 20 days after the server came out.

Gawd it cracks me up to think of all the research and planning you did (watching my video lawl) beforehand for red, only to be so terrible that you ended up rage quitting because you couldn't outlevel a wizard. You played obsessively, 10 hours a day for a little under a month, and got frustrated because you sucked as a bard and were outplayed by lovely, so you quit. Then you wrote a pathetic essay trying to convince people that you were technically the fastest leveler even though you weren't since you died 75+ times because you sucked.

It puts a :) on my face to think how sweaty sad and pathetic you must have been for those 20 days while failing at being the top player even though you devoted your entire unemployed life to it.

Aight gonna go call my granma and wish her a merry xmas ;)

[Cast]

not reading that, someone give me cliffs

[Ninja]

not reading that, someone give me cliffs

He said you're a bad bard and pathetic, that he and Wolfram laugh at you and are 20x better then you.

I think he's mad you called him a loser in the smoking thread *shrugs*

[Cast]

He said you're a bad bard and pathetic, that he and Wolfram laugh at you and are 20x better then you.

I think he's mad you called him a loser in the smoking thread *shrugs*

haha thanks. winning

[Hailto]

You need to spell check your sig Cast, shits retarded bro.

[Cast]

Merry christmas to myself, here we go.

Admitting you had 70+ xp deaths is admittance that you are terrible. For you to not even understand that speaks to how awful you actually are. Repeating a process that was perfected before you played takes nothing. Innovating that process is everything. So grats (i guess) on sometimes repeating the process, but dying 70+ times is hardly successful lol. Whats hilarious is that you are probably doing the method Hmozart made popular, which is far easier than the way I used to kite, in whch I was still way more successful than you. I have never died kiting on red, its retardedly easy, you just suck. Geegoo and I had such a good laugh when you tried to brag about SOMETIMES using both songs. Gawd that still cracks me up.



Furthermore, you have actually probably spent more hours PVEing on a bard than I have, because on blue99 i was actually successful and leveled quickly, and you were so terrible and obsessed. Heres some funny/extremely sad quotes you wrote in your rage novel:





^ that was about 20 days after the server came out.

Gawd it cracks me up to think of all the research and planning you did (watching my video lawl) beforehand for red, only to be so terrible that you ended up rage quitting because you couldn't outlevel a wizard. You played obsessively, 10 hours a day for a little under a month, and got frustrated because you sucked as a bard and were outplayed by lovely, so you quit. Then you wrote a pathetic essay trying to convince people that you were technically the fastest leveler even though you weren't since you died 75+ times because you sucked.

It puts a :) on my face to think how sweaty sad and pathetic you must have been for those 20 days while failing at being the top player even though you devoted your entire unemployed life to it.

Aight gonna go call my granma and wish her a merry xmas ;)

ya bro i dunno what you're talking about mostly w/ this history of kiting or w/e. I took 40+ mobs and killed them at the same time, and the only time I died was due to server lag from people zoning in/out/dinging in my zone. This is the reason I outleveled everyone while I had leachers in group and w/ 70+ deaths.

I've seen wolfram kite, he kites like 5 mobs at a time lol.. probably explains why hes level 35 still.

Also it's easy to grasp why I'd use 1 song vs 2 songs at certain times in the day considering the lag I'd get. I could probably model it in excel for you to understand the tradeoff b/w distance + lag + time lost thru death

And as you both seem to try to let on - there isn't another magical way to kill 40+ mobs at a time without dying in similar fashion (should you experience the same lag as I do). You have to get in range of your song, so it matters not how you're doing it because the zone in/out lag is going to get you instagibbed regardless... not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

also to say you leveled quickly on blue is lol. grats on leveling a character 1-2 years after a server came out w/ twink gear. hahaha u srs? and please feel free to post the name of your bard on red that you've supposedly never died kiting on. Have you hit lvl 5 yet? Sounds like we just got two mad players on our hands, can't get over the fact that every kite big cast had was = to the ss posted above (perfect circles, err-time). When you got L30 and L25 (highest chars on server) at same time on new server, lemme know dawg cus thats how I rolled, no exploit-just straight pwnin ***** style. Read my sig, Wolfram knows how I do in karanas bro he couldn't even get a crumb.


EDIT: heres a protip for you btw bro, im a professional troll. i never rage quit, and i'm level 50 w/ less played than you and best in slot outside of like 2 items. first jac + diamond jewelry = mine, cus i do big things. get off me

[Lazortag]

ya bro i dunno what you're talking about mostly w/ this history of kiting or w/e. I took 40+ mobs and killed them at the same time, and the only time I died was due to server lag from people zoning in/out/dinging in my zone. This is the reason I outleveled everyone while I had leachers in group and w/ 70+ deaths.

I've seen wolfram kite, he kites like 5 mobs at a time lol.. probably explains why hes level 35 still.

Also it's easy to grasp why I'd use 1 song vs 2 songs at certain times in the day considering the lag I'd get. I could probably model it in excel for you to understand the tradeoff b/w distance + lag + time lost thru death

And as you both seem to try to let on - there isn't another magical way to kill 40+ mobs at a time without dying in similar fashion (should you experience the same lag as I do). You have to get in range of your song, so it matters not how you're doing it because the zone in/out lag is going to get you instagibbed regardless... not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

also to say you leveled quickly on blue is lol. grats on leveling a character 1-2 years after a server came out w/ twink gear. hahaha u srs? and please feel free to post the name of your bard on red that you've supposedly never died kiting on. Have you hit lvl 5 yet? Sounds like we just got two mad players on our hands, can't get over the fact that every kite big cast had was = to the ss posted above (perfect circles, err-time). When you got L30 and L25 (highest chars on server) at same time on new server, lemme know dawg cus thats how I rolled, no exploit-just straight pwnin ***** style. Read my sig, Wolfram knows how I do in karanas bro he couldn't even get a crumb.


EDIT: heres a protip for you btw bro, im a professional troll. i never rage quit, and i'm level 50 w/ less played than you and best in slot outside of like 2 items. first jac + diamond jewelry = mine, cus i do big things. get off me

I haven't read this yet but I just thought I'd be the first to say that you seem mad.

[nalkin]

I haven't read this yet but I just thought I'd be the first to say that you seem mad.

He hasn't been this mad since he died 70+ times and rage quit. Make sure you start at the beginning so you can see me pwn him multiple times.

[Cast]

read sig

[Lazortag]

read sig

I've been scratching my head at this one... the sig doesn't have to do with you or holocaust if you look at it in context. I said that after I got repeatedly killed by IF in the karanas and was asking their permission to level there. I'm not really embarrassed, I posted it in public for everyone to see and it was kind of a joke anyway.

Btw Cast, the only reason you think I level slowly is because I was busy with my family on Christmas instead of playing eq like you. I actually got to my level in the same /played time as you (based on what a few loose lips in your guild have told me) even though I wasn't obsessively trying to out-level the rest of the server (only to ragequit and blame lag after admitting that you died over 70 times. Come on Cast, did you really expect us to believe that all of those deaths were due to lag and not your own incompetence?).

[georgie]

cast isn't a good bard, and he isn't even good at forum comebacks. i mean several times has he used READ SIG as a comeback. please, please.,.,.,.,., get good.

[Hailto]

ITT: 3 grown men arguing about who can sing a group of mobs to death most efficiently on a video game, just stop and consider that for a moment.

[Awwalike]

this was once a respectable thread before red was released. if Giegue and Cast want to flirt so bad take it to PMs or something.

[Lazortag]

this was once a respectable thread before red was released. if Giegue and Cast want to flirt so bad take it to PMs or something.

I'd gladly have the last couple pages of bickering deleted so that the thread can be un-derailed (re-railed?), even though Nalkin's hilarious pwnage of Cast would have to be deleted too. To be clear though, I didn't start it.

[Cast]

Pretty sure this thread sucked until i posted a screenshot of what every kite of mine looked like.. a perfect beautiful circle. Maybe ill get kringe in here to shed light on my awe inspiring 60hour kite sessions. Shit was magical, i am magical.

[Softcore PK]

Stop picking on Cast, guys :(

[Cast]

I've been scratching my head at this one... the sig doesn't have to do with you or holocaust if you look at it in context. I said that after I got repeatedly killed by IF in the karanas and was asking their permission to level there. I'm not really embarrassed, I posted it in public for everyone to see and it was kind of a joke anyway.

Btw Cast, the only reason you think I level slowly is because I was busy with my family on Christmas instead of playing eq like you. I actually got to my level in the same /played time as you (based on what a few loose lips in your guild have told me) even though I wasn't obsessively trying to out-level the rest of the server (only to ragequit and blame lag after admitting that you died over 70 times. Come on Cast, did you really expect us to believe that all of those deaths were due to lag and not your own incompetence?).

Sorry i must have instinctively skipped this.

I thought your so ow lvl because u had to "lead a guild"??? Ill have to include abpic of that quote when i get home. Also i could careless what youd like to believe, roughly 5 of those deaths id take blame for (i suppose the ones in CT were my fault but really i blame kringe for pressuring me into that situation - doubt yall have kited every alligator in ct over the alligator pools at L29 so u wouldnt understand.

But hey bro im glad imaginary friends stopped farming you like a busted down npc.. good on you!

[Entrance]

O yay a bard AoE rants n flame page. More pics plz, who cares about your last 28 pages of sad in game life of drama

[Cast]

just read in another thread that naikin and lazortag are homosexuals or something together in game on blue99 which would explain all that stuff above that i never read.

im sorry for offending your boyfriend, naikin

[bizzum]

Less bickering, more good AoE kiting screenshots plz.

[Hear_My_Sermon]

Let us pay homage to the greatest bard this server has ever seen

Illi

aka Cast of Holocaust

[Lazortag]

Let us pay homage to the greatest bard this server has ever seen

Illi

aka Cast of Holocaust

Would the greatest bard on the server die over 75 times while kiting?

[Hear_My_Sermon]

Would the greatest bard on the server die over 75 times while kiting?

Yes, Illi is the best

[Cynosure]

I've managed to kite in Crushbone atop of trainer hill. I decided to give it at shot and see if I was able. I managed to kill everything on top of the hill (even the trainer who cons yellow).

The problem is, every time I wanted to re-dot them I had to take some damage. There seemed to be no way around me taking hits. I tried multiple tactics of weaving back to cast on them, trying to let them get closer but not close enough to bite, etc. Nothing seemed to work. I would assume at a higher level and with mobs that stun more often I would have been dead. Luckily here there were only a few mobs most of them were green.

How do you re-dot the mobs without getting hit?

[fischsemmel]

I've managed to kite in Crushbone atop of trainer hill. I decided to give it at shot and see if I was able. I managed to kill everything on top of the hill (even the trainer who cons yellow).

The problem is, every time I wanted to re-dot them I had to take some damage. There seemed to be no way around me taking hits. I tried multiple tactics of weaving back to cast on them, trying to let them get closer but not close enough to bite, etc. Nothing seemed to work. I would assume at a higher level and with mobs that stun more often I would have been dead. Luckily here there were only a few mobs most of them were green.

How do you re-dot the mobs without getting hit?

If you're not fighting stuff with exceptional reach or speed (giants, drolvargs, sowed mobs, etc.), then you must just not be doing it quite right.

Bottom line is it's pretty damn tricky getting in close enough to land chords dot without getting meleed though, since the 30 range is so close to the melee reach of most stuff. The method that I believe works best for sticking the 30-range dot(s) is straferunning without movement enhancers... but that is probably only going to work in a large, outdoor zone line SK or OT or something, not in CB.

I've never gotten much better than 50/50 on success/death when using the 30-range dots (using the autorun, strafe left, mouseturn right method). There's just too fine of a line between landing it and getting insta-killed for my skill/settings, although this method worked quite nicely for levels 18-25 and 30-47 in OT using the level 18 dot exclusively; probably only died 6-7 times total.

[Lazortag]

Ahh! who moved my thread?

[egitimbg]

Thanks for sharing great article +rep

[EQsale]

Im wondering if i can get some advice on AE kiting,

When i do it i gather my stuff make afew circles to tighten them
Then i drop my selo and strafe+auto run and mouse drive,

My question is i find this way with no selo i can leave my dot tickin without switching intruments but i have to make wider circles when im 51+ im wondering if this method will still be good in zones like DL>BW>skyfire cause theres just so many roamers.

could anyone enlighten me on maybe a better method for tighter spots so i can pull this off without getting roamers from my wide circles.

also wondering if anyone can suggest a leveling Ae guild 51-55 then 55-60

Thanks.

[Lazortag]

Im wondering if i can get some advice on AE kiting,

When i do it i gather my stuff make afew circles to tighten them
Then i drop my selo and strafe+auto run and mouse drive,

My question is i find this way with no selo i can leave my dot tickin without switching intruments but i have to make wider circles when im 51+ im wondering if this method will still be good in zones like DL>BW>skyfire cause theres just so many roamers.

could anyone enlighten me on maybe a better method for tighter spots so i can pull this off without getting roamers from my wide circles.

also wondering if anyone can suggest a leveling Ae guild 51-55 then 55-60

Thanks.

I use the same method. I personally wouldn't try it in DL or Skyfire but I've used it in BW just fine in areas with very few roamers (near the sarnak fort). There's probably an area of the zone with less mobs but I'm just not familiar with it.

[fischsemmel]

also wondering if anyone can suggest a leveling Ae guild 51-55 then 55-60

Guild? Do you mean guide?

You can keep up with the same old kind of thing you were doing in OT up through 55 in BW. After that it slows down quite a bit, imo.

I'll give you my 55+ method after I hit 60 :p

Btw, almost 59 giegue. I'll be a 60 bard in only like 2 more months!:cool:

[Minluan]

How much of a difference to the DoT would different horns make? I plan on using a regular merchent bought horn, but if the bank balance agrees with my kiting efficency, would it be worth while paying out for a Horn of War? (They are about 6-7k?!).

[somnia]

The amount of damage your DoTs do will increase by level but for clarity let's consider a simple hypothetical situation:

Denon's Disruptive Discord
No Instrument: 14hp/tick or 42hp/application
Regular Horn: 28hp/tick (20 Modifier = No Instrument x 2) or 84hp/application and 100% increase from no instrument
Horn of War: 32hp/tick (23 Modifier = No Instrument x 2.3) or 96hp/application and 14.3% increase from regular horn

If a mob has 1500hp:
No Instrument: min 36 applications = 10.8 minutes to kill
Regular Horn: min 18 applications = 5.4 minutes to kill = 100% increase in speed over No Instrument
Horn of War: min 16 applications = 4.8 minutes to kill = 12.5% increase in speed over Regular Horn

In other words, you'll save on average 36 seconds per kite in an ideal world where every mob you're killing has 1500hp and doesn't resist.

Depending on how many mobs you kite at once, you're looking at like 3-5 (4 avg) kites per level starting at level 18. So 32 levels to 50.

Time Spent 18-50
No Instrument 18-50: (4 kites/level) * (32 levels) * (10.8 minutes/kite) = 1382.4 minutes ~= 23 hours
Regular Horn 18-50: (4 kites/level) * (32 levels) * (5.4 minutes/kite) = 691.2 minutes ~= 11.5 hours
Horn of War 18-50: (4 kites/level) * (32 levels) * (4.8 minutes/kite) = 614.4 minutes ~= 10.25 hours

There are obviously fixed costs such as the time it takes you to gather mobs, risk of dying each application, and so forth, but this should give an idealized idea of the benefit of the horn. In this example, you'll save about 1 hour and 15 minutes off your total /played by having a Horn of War.

How much is an hour of your time worth to you?

You are going to need to make rational sense in at least one of your posts or everyone will get bored of you somnia, and that point is rapidly approaching

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[Minluan]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 View Post
You are going to need to make rational sense in at least one of your posts or everyone will get bored of you somnia, and that point is rapidly approaching

Keep up the posts, even if they don't make rational sense for everyone. Very informative and positive contribution to this thread (horn/no horn/uber horn not discussed previously).

So thanks for the breakdown!

[fischsemmel]

Imo it isn't worth it to buy a mcvaxius horn unless you've got absolutely nothing else to do with the money.

Stuff up through OT doesn't have enough HP that killing takes all that long even if you're using a vendor horn and only one AE. It's more important, imo, to be faster during the pull by spending cash on better drums... plus the drums will serve you better in the long run since they stay super useful (speed, resists, etc) while the horn has pretty limited use outside of AE leveling.

[Minluan]

Well it is probably outside of my price range anyway, plus I do not know how good I will be at bard kiting will have to give it a go next week when im less busy.

Thanks for the comments about the horn's though, much to consider!

[Woobi]

Just want to say I am a level 8 Bard and I did a little of this in Gfay today. It worked pretty nicely, especially when you got a nice circle of corpses to be your guide. However, I wasn't ready for the massive amount of mobs you guys do. I can see how this will lead to some very nice xp.

Nice tips!

[darktengu69]

so should i swap instrustments for each dot song or just use 1 horn or lute?

[Namegen_Isterrible]

so should i swap instrustments for each dot song or just use 1 horn or lute?

Whichever you like doing. You kill a bit quicker with swapping lute and horn both in, but it isn't a big difference really so if the swapping annoys you or gets you killed sometimes, then don't bother with it.

I never used anything except the 18 dot on my bard until I was done in OT at 46 anyways. Made killing a bit less stressful when you only have to worry about landing 1 dot every 10-15 seconds instead of trying to keep both of them up nonstop.

[SamwiseBanned]

I just wanna dedicate my first successful big kite (entire unrest yard) TO my big brother Wolfram. I should have taken pic before corpses started rotting :(

http://i.imgur.com/nYu4b.png

[SamwiseBanned]

http://i.imgur.com/A0VmB.png

puttin in work.

[Harmonium]

My bards in his mid 40's now and I'm starting to consider places outside OT for drawing circles with my bard. After about an hour of scanning this thread I have come up with a few options..

Dreadlands, CoM, Spirocs.

Dreadlands seems doable, but will have to be careful with mob selection. I'm assuming chickens and dogs are the main diet here.

CoM doesn't sound fun at all. Not really going to even try this.

Spirocs might be okay, assuming you'll twist levi+selo+chant for pulls in tree house. Although I have an inkling that my bard will end up face first in a tree and dead before my twitch reaction to rectify it.

Would be awesome if anyone wants to offer some input on post OT locations :)

[Tewaz]

I have done CoM. It is doable, but the pulling is difficult. I kites outside one of the doors to the goo house. The goos have like double the hp as everything else in the front area. Got some nice items, but I starts to go light blue at like 46. Spirocs are okay, but inconvenient when you die. Truth be told, OT is still the best up to 50.

[Harmonium]

http://i.imgur.com/8D48s.jpg

98 mobs that kite, personal best; looking forward to getting the elusive three digit pull..

[Wonka11]

I'm still having a crap load of problems kiting right now. I'm level 13 and I'm using the level 2 song. I'm using mouse to steer from a 3rd person view that is directly behind my bard and I am scrolled all the way out.

I lock auto run and hold down the left key to get me into a running strafe and then alternate selos and the aoe while I do this. (I prefer holding down the left key, gives me a false sense of control).

Now people say that the aoe will hit at the very edge of my screen on mobs that are chasing me, but this has been very inconsistent from me. Sometimes it hits further on my screen, sometimes it hits shorter. Most of the time it hits beyond my screen where I can't see the pack I am kiting.

Actually in truth, 90% of the time I land my aoe, the pack is out of view completely and I'm doing a lot of guess work which is bogus. I simply don't understand why it is so inconsistent and it is causing me a lot of deaths.

My deaths so far have all been mobs hitting me off screen where I have no idea where their position is.

Is there something I should be doing, or is there another way to zoom out my camera more?

I've tried the third person view and tap running, but I despise it personally. I can't judge their position to my aoe or bard at all in this view.


Edit: Also I'm having a big problem stacking all the mobs exactly. I'll run large circles or squares to try and get all the mobs stacked completely on top of each other but I can't seem to get it perfect. I can tell because on some of my rotations only 1-2 monsters in the pack will get hit with the aoe and the rest will miss. I know this is a big problem because this basically means that those two are closer to me than the pack is and if I go in further there is a large chance I'll hit their hit box and they'll bash me.

Could really use some in depth help on this.

[Raavak]

If you can't get mobs to stack despite circling them alot it means they aren't really compatible for kiting. Figure out which ones are fit into the group you are making and avoid the others.

[Wonka11]

If you can't get mobs to stack despite circling them alot it means they aren't really compatible for kiting. Figure out which ones are fit into the group you are making and avoid the others.

I apologize, and I'm really not trying to be confrontational or rude so please don't take it that way; your response is just very oversimplified and doesn't address the situation well.

I'm currently kiting gorge hounds in EK, and even when the pull only consists of gorge hounds, I'm noticing changes in spacing between wolves that occurs throughout the pull.

I have to back off most of the time and try to regroup them because 3-4 in the pack are running .5-1% faster than the normal ones it seems. I'm not sure if this is due to server or client lag, or may be just be the distance I'm circling in an attempt to hit things in the level 2 song's aoe, but there is something certainly happening here.

Also I keep noticing the range on the aoe is inconsistent. Sometimes it hits mobs off the screen; sometimes mobs will be on the screen and it wont hit them, I can't get it to be accurate 100% of the time.

And the same thing goes for the mobs, sometimes I can hit them off, sometimes I cant hit them even if they're on. I'm not sure if this is lag or what the case is, but it makes my swarms 2-3x longer than they should be because I'm terrified of being hit by something I have no idea how to control.

[falkun]

All mobs of the same type should move at the same speed (assuming no extra buffs/debuffs are in effect like sarnaks in BW using SoW or bard using an AoE snare song). However, the mob and character locations between the client and server will only update so frequently, and not always at the exact same instant. This is why, even with "perfect" kiting, you may not hit every member of your packed kite all the time. Just try to get your kite as perfect as possible and you'll hit as many mobs in your pack as possible.

Basically, the server-client interaction could be screwing up your kite, and factors like (but not limited to) firewall, connection speed, and hardware (even GFX because runspeed is tied to framerate) all effect your kite. You can only optimize so much before its simply out of your control. Accept it, kite your best, and level faster than every other class in the game.

[Wonka11]

All mobs of the same type should move at the same speed (assuming no extra buffs/debuffs are in effect like sarnaks in BW using SoW or bard using an AoE snare song). However, the mob and character locations between the client and server will only update so frequently, and not always at the exact same instant. This is why, even with "perfect" kiting, you may not hit every member of your packed kite all the time. Just try to get your kite as perfect as possible and you'll hit as many mobs in your pack as possible.

Basically, the server-client interaction could be screwing up your kite, and factors like (but not limited to) firewall, connection speed, and hardware (even GFX because runspeed is tied to framerate) all effect your kite. You can only optimize so much before its simply out of your control. Accept it, kite your best, and level faster than every other class in the game.

Thanks Falkun, I appreciate the response. Looks like I'll just have to deal with it.

[sero]

Just keep practicing dude. It's all trial and error until you get the hang of it. Accept as a given that you're going to die a crapload of times during the learning process, and even occasionally when you're actually good.

[Urbanzkopf]

anyone know a better spot then Sro to swarm kite at level 15? Been trying all day to kite here but so much shit gets in the way it's annoying. Orc priests pop over the hills when you are gathering so have to zone the kite, ghouls also, desert madmen dont root but sure as hell hurt and not to mention the sand giants, damn I've been on the bottom of these guys shoes all day it's so frustrating. For every successful kite I've done here so far there are about 8 failed ones to my name.

[Twilight-Sparkle]

Do any bards melee at the higher levels? I know they don't get double attack or kick, but with all the haste they can get without a chanter, you'd think they could do some pretty decent melee damage, being able to swing so often.

[Urbanzkopf]

being a bit squishy is where the problem lies

EDIT: but in terms of grouping, yea pretty much, dps while twisting a couple of songs, maybe regen / mana song and haste

[Urbanzkopf]

Update, EK is easily doable at level 15, I wish i'd came here a level or two earlier the exp was insane, 15-18 in about 2 hrs~ (with about 2 deaths, learnt not to chase mobs that break off the pack low hp, and watch out for that sir douchebag, caught him with my chords by accident )

[Kender]

anyone know a better spot then Sro to swarm kite at level 15? Been trying all day to kite here but so much shit gets in the way it's annoying. Orc priests pop over the hills when you are gathering so have to zone the kite, ghouls also, desert madmen dont root but sure as hell hurt and not to mention the sand giants, damn I've been on the bottom of these guys shoes all day it's so frustrating. For every successful kite I've done here so far there are about 8 failed ones to my name.

dogs and spiders in ek are great. watch out for the griff's

[Kender]

Do any bards melee at the higher levels? I know they don't get double attack or kick, but with all the haste they can get without a chanter, you'd think they could do some pretty decent melee damage, being able to swing so often.

solo you can fear kite singles if you desire, or if the mob has a large hit box (bigger than your AE dots so you can't kite them)

in a group they do more dps by boosting everyone elses dps (both melee with buffs and caster with mana regen). noone ever invites a bard for how much melee dps they do. however having said that, they dont do too bad at melee dps, it's just not what they're hired for.

[Urbanzkopf]

The griffs actually fit in well with the gorge hounds and spiders, but the big griff is nasty, got him to 60% or so but then his hitbox is massive so had to split him and get it to a guard

[Urbanzkopf]

Gathered EVERY non caster in EK excluding giants... When I finally had it all my MS shot right up to about 200 and grew to 500 and then disconnected... so painful to get all that together just to disconnect :/

[VFBlitz]

Well I got from 19 to 23 leveling in EK AE kiting the usual stuff.

Spiders/Hounds/Wolves/Griffawns

Lions and the Griffon seem to have a slightly different attack range so I try not to go near them. I sometimes kill nearby lions first manually, before the kite.

I defiantely need more practice but I can do about 15 now without dying.

-Stacee

[SwordNboard]

Been doing kites of ~30 mobs. If you can do 10-12, you may as well do as many as you can pull. One mistake is death either way!

[Urbanzkopf]

Been doing kites of ~30 mobs. If you can do 10-12, you may as well do as many as you can pull. One mistake is death either way!

In a way while learning 10-15 is a good enough amount, i've survived around 20 hitting me at level 16 or so, you just have to be fast in swapping the drum in and getting outta there, but I agree, if you are doing 10-15 successfully then just pull a crap tonne more, the time it takes to kill them down it's worth making it more rewarding.

[Xherez]

Do any bards melee at the higher levels? I know they don't get double attack or kick, but with all the haste they can get without a chanter, you'd think they could do some pretty decent melee damage, being able to swing so often.

Bard's do melee in high level groups, but unfortunately you're wrong about doing a lot of melee damage. Bard melee damage is terrible, but it still tends to be worth doing as a lot of key grouping songs are not instrument based, eg. haste, slow. Also the weapon you will be using until you get your epic, Breath of Harmony, has a clicky song effect that makes up for the lack of an instrument mod on the regen song.

[jerok88]

Just leveled from 34-45 over the last couple days. Here's my obligatory screenshot (63 mobs killed, counted when looting with /hidecorpse looted)

I use the first person mode, and just scroll out. I never see the mobs on the screen. When I do see them, they are in the very bottom left of the screen and I am extremely close to being hit.
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Also shown is the time it took to kill them (about 12 minutes) and how much XP I gained. Note it is a hell level so it is less than you'd normally see.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8491/8294834233_68f8dc65bd.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8077/8294833501_b90bf75008.jpg

[Trinidy]

I have been trying to AoE kite and I think im just terrible at it.

I played an Enchanter on the live server for years and never played a bard so AoE kiting is a new thing for me.

I have looked at videos online and they all say to do auto circles, then strafe, then turn with mouse.

I just have a problem keeping the circle constant. The auto circle that i make is just way to small. Is there a better method?

[jerok88]

I never use autocircle. I push auto-run, then I tap left, left, left, until my fingers bleed. Getting into a rhythm is hard, but once you've got it you can envision the circle you want to run. Also, I use first-person mode and scroll out. I understand this may be vastly different than most bards. I do not see any of the mobs on the screen, which I think results in a LOT less lag.

I've keymapped auto-run to the ` key and use wasd.

I don't ever strafe anymore, although I used to, and I usually stick to 1 dot unless I'm feeling frisky. With only 1 dot, killing speed is cut down by 33% or so, but that really means nothing for a bard, where a death is the biggest setback.

[Itap]

I auto-run + strafe right, and turn holding right-click + scroll right. It might sound complicated at first, but once you figure it out, its almost 100% safe. The only time I die is when I either lag (The one where you freeze for 0.5 seconds and I end up running directly at the mobs) or when my son decides to mush random keys on my keyboard :cool:


Man that freeze lag thing is annoying, ive tried turning down all effects ect and it still happens

[Trinidy]

I guess I need to understand how to move first.....

I tried practicing with a ground of 3 greens, just in case i got annoyed I could turn around and kill.

First method I tried was autocircle with the mouse turn method. This was so damn annoying to keep turning with my mouse... i felt that i did not really have a free hand to push my macro button.

Then I tried the tapping method.

When talking with a bard that did this he kept telling me to push it fast... all that did was make my turns big and jerky. I litterally clicked the arrow button as fast as I could, which made no sense to me.

So I swtich to longer depression taps but quickly. Now that got me going in a circle, but im not sure if the lvl 2 dot just has such a short range it never landed or what. I had to stop mutiple times. just to have the dot land.... I did with with the lute in my hand so that the dot would hit harder. and selos still kept me ahead of them without a problem, no need to switch to drums.

I liked this method because i had a hand free to turn away if need be ,or avoid the tree or whatever while still having a hand free to push the macro button for dot/selos.

If the mobs had not been green then i would have died fairly easy due to the fact that they still hit AT me quite a bit.

I use first person zoomed out as well.

I guess its all in the technic of "tapping"??

I have heard the strafe method is the best due to the "push" effect or something. I woudl love to learn this, but I am still pretty confused on it....

Thanks for all the advice!

[SamwiseRed]

i dont get the tapping method. i just strafe run and mouse turn

[Trinidy]

I just dont understand the strafe run and mouse turn... i have not been able to do it correctly.

[Cwall 52.0]

i mouse run and hold Q(strafing left) while slowly turning my mouse to the right

http://oi48.tinypic.com/14ncznd.jpg

might be my biggest kite; don't even know how many

some of the lower level ones poofed before the kite was over

took me from 37 to 40 on red99

edit: after checking logs looks like it was 93 or 94 mobs

[Karafa]

I use the same technique cwall does. Assuming you have the same sized mobs and aren't dying due to hit box, aoe kiting with just the level 18 dot is extremely easy and still efficient. For those of you struggling to really get it down, don't put yourself into a spot to really be hit and killed, keep a pretty decent sized circle and strafe when the dot is about to apply.

Using the level 2 dot is tricky, requires you to see the mobs on your screen if you're wheeled out, and is generally the sole reason you'll die on your kites 90% of the time.

[t0lkien]

The margin for error on this is pretty darn small. I don't know if it's because of 200+ ping that I have, but I get hit a lot. I tend not to kite more than a few at a time, and at this point they're all blue.

Those of you who are directing things with a mouse, how do you twist? With the extra fingers on your left hand?

[Calibix]

The margin for error on this is pretty darn small. I don't know if it's because of 200+ ping that I have, but I get hit a lot. I tend not to kite more than a few at a time, and at this point they're all blue.

Those of you who are directing things with a mouse, how do you twist? With the extra fingers on your left hand?

Granted I use a slightly different keyboard layout that most people, but basically yes. I strafe run right, and mouse turn left. That leaves my ring and pinky free to twist with, or if I was going the other way, it would leave my index finger free.

For anyone learning swarming, I can give some pretty good advice as I just went through the same learning phase, and have become pretty proficient. My best pull that I counted was 104 mobs in OT (no rhinos).

1) Settings are they number one thing that will get you killed. I ate so many deaths before I found this out. Shadows off, DoT message's turned off are musts. Turning Sky off, lowering clip plane, and turning off npc name's a big help. Particles a lot of people will turn off, I leave them on low density because it doesn't noticeably affect my FPS, and it really helps me with finding the range on the swarm with Denon's Disruptive Discord and setting up the other DoT's.

2) Better safe than sorry, kind of. At some point, your going to pull enough mobs that if you let them catch you, you will die. You need to make a decision when you hit that point. You can pull less mobs and be ok with messing up once, regening, and continuing. Or you can pull an absurd amount of mobs knowing if you mess up you are dead, but you can pull an unlimited amount of mobs. If your in the 35-45 range in OT lets say with 60+ mobs, don't get greedy going for the lvl 2 DoT every time. Spamming the lvl 18 dot with brass on alone is a pretty quick kill as it is, and most of your time will be spent on the pull anyways. And the pull doesn't matter when you die, and now are actually losing time and XP.

3) Practice makes perfect. I can't comment for tap turning, but when your ready to try swarming, try some test pulls on the mobs you want to kill. Just 2-3 so you can see that your hitting them all. The thing to look for is how tight you can turn because of the difference in mob hitboxes. Remember anything that you can outrun with strafe run can be kited without sow or selo's. I honestly don't know how people swarm with runspeed buffs /shrug. I was quite surprised to find that the lvl 48 DoT's range, though according to the wiki the same as the lvl 18, actually falls somewhere in between the range of the lvl 2 and lvl 18. Glad I didn't find that out with 20 Raptors on my ass.

4) Don't hold down right click when mouse turning. It will probably get you killed. Mouse turn is really funky where its kind of slow, but really sensitive. It's easy to turn almost directly around into the swarm, especially when your kind of laggy due to the swarm as it is. Also, it feels like it slows my strafe run when I hold it down, so just little repeated clicks. Make /hidecorpse all and /hidecorpse off macros in an easy to reach spot so you don't stop to loot on accident.

5) Be prepared. Be courteous. Save yourself the trouble and bind somewhere close. Keep some extra drums in the bank and plat to buy a rez if needed. Sow pots for if your doing low HP with a partner because its one less thing you have to twist. You are entitled to every mob you can reliably kill in an outdoor zone that you have agro on (ie most of them), but you don't have to be a dick about it either. I try to avoid pulling where a group is, call when I have to abandon a swarm etc. People will still complain about swarming no matter what you do, but no need to give them any ammo :p

[HitMePat]

Completed my first AoE kite since 2004 today. Four Orc centurions on my level 4 bard in gfay. I never knew about strafe kiting. Managed to hit them with CoD without sow, and only got myself hit a couple times ;). Back in the day i used jboots or sow potions but since im a Newbie on P99 i dont have access to those yet. I've got a feeling I'll be leveling up quick with this strafe method with a little more practice. Thanks to all the posters who took the time to explain it.

[kined]

hey all! been kiting for a little bit now and im really starting to see the exp fly now that im not dying every other kite! got my circles pretty tight now. heres a semi small kite i just did, ive done some bigger ones, and ive done some tighter circles, but i still think it was a pretty good kite overall! about 26 mobs if i counted exp messages correctly!

im using the "hold w+d while mouse turning left" method, works great. i use selos without drums for the circle. i dont change instuments at all during the circles. i use drums to pull, then switch to brass for the entirety of the circling (unless i have to regen, but most of the time if i get smacked i just die). make sure you have macros! they help a ton. i keep my brass dot + selos on 1 and then my chords dot + selos on 2.

make sure you have selos bound to something else like 4 just incase u miss a note with the macros. if you slow down while using my method you are almost sure to die. if i miss a note with selos i just let go of mouse turning and strafe forward, recast selos and then go back to circling

btw, DONT let people bitching about bards in OT detract you from doing your thing. of course, dont be rude, leave some mobs if you see some guy soloing or a group. every once in a while i just invite someone for the pull and let em get a bubble, people remember that stuff! however, no matter how courteous you are people will still bitch about you even if you arent hurting them in any way. people are just assholes, but remember that they would almost definitely do it too if their class was capable.

[Goseals6]

Just want to say thanks for all this. I tried swarming some stuff at lvl 3 using chords but the hit box for it seems so small. I'll give it another go here shortly.

[Cords]

Goseals the best way to learn is not using strafe off the bat. I count the foot step sounds, 1..2.. turn 1..2.. turn, and just keep doing that, it keeps a tight enough circle for CoD to hit all the mobs.

[Goseals6]

Goseals the best way to learn is not using strafe off the bat. I count the foot step sounds, 1..2.. turn 1..2.. turn, and just keep doing that, it keeps a tight enough circle for CoD to hit all the mobs.


Well, I had a pretty good grasp of it on live a few years ago but in classic..a new story entirely lol. I tried kiting CB orcs around, but I got destroyed. Majority of the time they were hitting me and not even in my field of vision behind me.

I chalk that up to latency and CoD's hit radius is very very small when factoring in latency.

[Cords]

Right on, I always start in qeynos on my bards, but I know all the kiting spots from qeynos to south karana

Keep at it, hope the Latency gets resolved for you.

[Goseals6]

After some fine tuning, I can now swarm kite all of orc hill at lvl 6 provided I don't get any casters. I was doing it wrong before hand and had many straight paths instead of small turns. I also managed to get a few spectators, one complimented me and another told me how jealous he was lol.

I kept up 3 songs just fine with no issues and that HP regen song is a life saver lol

[Furinex]

Here's a good one in EK, doesnt look like a lot but it was 25 mobs, lots of the wolves were stacked on top of each other.

[1203jjt]

What is everyone's latency in game? My internet connection isn't the fastest, and I hover around 100ms. I've had a bit of trouble getting the hang of kiting, and I'm wondering if this could be the reason? I'm going to have a more reliable connection next month...perhaps I should just wait until then.

[Goseals6]

furinex are you Thepianoman in game?? Level 19 bard??

[Furinex]

furinex are you Thepianoman in game?? Level 19 bard??

Nope. You can see my bards name in the screenshot :)

After second glance you can't tell lol. Tenji is the name.

[kronika]

furinex are you Thepianoman in game?? Level 19 bard??

No, thats me.

[Goseals6]

No, thats me.

Hah, I was wondering if you browsed the forums :P

[1203jjt]

After rezzing me due to ddos lag spike death, Sirken decided to have a bit of fun with me. This resulted in perhaps the first ever kite by frog :D

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[Potus]

I have some questions. I used to AE kite on EQ live and was very good at it, I did both dot songs and would use 3/4 perspective, run in basically giant oval/figure 8 movements and cut the circle tight right as the song landed. It was amazing exp and a lot of fun.

On P99 I seem to die doing this, so I tried strafe kiting, and it works great until I run into the same problem -- the server for whatever reason will have me suddenly lag and I end up running right into my crowd of monsters. It's basically a death sentence. I just tried it out in Qeynos and all those gnoll pups and beetles beat me up good.

Should I go back to trying the 3/4 perspective and hope the level 18 dot keeps me safe? I might try adjusting my video settings as well.

[Furinex]

I have some questions. I used to AE kite on EQ live and was very good at it, I did both dot songs and would use 3/4 perspective, run in basically giant oval/figure 8 movements and cut the circle tight right as the song landed. It was amazing exp and a lot of fun.

On P99 I seem to die doing this, so I tried strafe kiting, and it works great until I run into the same problem -- the server for whatever reason will have me suddenly lag and I end up running right into my crowd of monsters. It's basically a death sentence. I just tried it out in Qeynos and all those gnoll pups and beetles beat me up good.

Should I go back to trying the 3/4 perspective and hope the level 18 dot keeps me safe? I might try adjusting my video settings as well.

Its gonna be hard with this DDoS happening, I would say keep with the circles. I tried figure eights as well and I couldn't get this to work effectively. The tight circles with the strafe trick is pretty good once you get the hang of it, however, if a DDoS comes in, you're pretty much uckfayed.

[Potus]

Yeah I'm not sure the ovals/figure 8's work here because of the hit boxes having longer range on you when you run in a straight line. They worked perfectly on EQ Live.

[Samoht Farstrider]

Where can a newbie level 5 try this around Qeynos that would also provide some good loot or money?

I've been killing yard trash and also some gnolls for coins and weapons, but seem to be dead broke after buying some backpacks, food, and songs.