How 2 Kill Nagafen Nihilum Style

[heartbrand]

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9951/nagafenz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/nagafenz.jpg/)

[Nirgon]

Lol comment?

Looks to me like they're faking the aoe and CH shit in their logs. Hm, I wonder why.

Oh, cuz some people will believe that shit lol.

WTB 2 week suspensions for everyone on that kill etc.

In b4 Harrison.

[Nirgon]

Hard to decide which hilarious "More Lucky Than Exploit" to post under this, but I think this one fits nicely:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2043&stc=1&d=1326518412

am I doing this right

[Nirgon]

Nizzar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KNH1SDmFKo

[El Culo]

we're gonna need some bans

[beowulf420]

You guys are flat out retarded.

[Lazortag]

"guys it's not our fault naggy bugged out we brought only 8 people to the fight because we're just pro like that we weren't planning to exploit i swear we were just lucky, more lucky than exploit, and we didn't bring any dps so the fight lasted 5 hours which meant naggy fell through the floor but we should still get to keep the loot because it isn't our fault otherwise rogean should have to spawn five naggies for us for all the ones that got bugged out"

[heartbrand]

Notice how from Fallen's ready comment to naggy death there is almost no guild chat about the encounter. No one is remarking how omg naggy isn't attacking or anything of the sort. But I mean ooops it bugged out on accident and such! Huguhman's "trololol" comment after the AE spam is also lol.

[Doors]

pro strat.

[Nirgon]

Yeah, well, hopefully people will be more interested in levelling to 50 when dragons aren't perma down to exploit kills...

especially when PvP is won and the same strat is used resulting in guild disbands and 2 week+ suspensions.

[Labanen]

You guys are flat out retarded.
^^^ that.

dont be bitter just because you cant make a legit kill of anything. Noone gets watched more closely than we do on dragon kills. if we do anything wrong we ll get the hammer... however we are still around, conclusion ?

[Nirgon]

Considering a GM stood there and watched you push it into a wall and took no fears or aoe... and then said "I see nothing wrong!". At least Rogean got semi-interested for a while and called you on your shit, that was worth about 100 pages of lolz and excitement.... which quickly died off sadly.

I'd say closely watched is part of the funnies at this point, bud.

That screenie that was just posted confirms that at least 2 were definitely exploited, along with the "BIG BIG PLAYS" Lovely one as of the first posting.

Vox screens come out, truths are admitted but then suddenly....

deny deny deny deny everything.

What a joke

[Nirgon]

still around, conclusion ?

Failed delivery on GM promise.

Two sides being held accountable differently for the same crime.

There's a word that gets thrown around here under such circumstances, but I still appreciate Red99.

[El Culo]

Failed delivery on GM promise.

Two sides being held accountable differently for the same crime.

There's a word that gets thrown around here under such circumstances, but I still appreciate Red99.

p tru

we're gonna need some bans

[Hammertime]

NAHILUM
http://pugsly.bechange.com/forum_fodder/ban_them_all.jpg

[Nirgon]

Noone gets watched more closely than we do

OH BROTHER

[Amelinda]

Considering a GM stood there and watched you push it into a wall and took no fears or aoe... and then said "I see nothing wrong!". At least Rogean got semi-interested for a while and called you on your shit, that was worth about 100 pages of lolz and excitement.... which quickly died off sadly.

I'd say closely watched is part of the funnies at this point, bud.

That screenie that was just posted confirms that at least 2 were definitely exploited, along with the "BIG BIG PLAYS" Lovely one as of the first posting.

Vox screens come out, truths are admitted but then suddenly....

deny deny deny deny everything.

What a joke

Please tell me when ANYONE watched them push it into a wall and said they saw nothing wrong? if you mean me - if your guild hadn't been acting straight up foolish that night I wouldn't have had to run around the zone to watch for trains (also part of my job) and co uld have stood there and tested the AE the entire time. BUT UNFORTUNATELY some people just had to train. I never saw who was actually training because by the time I was looking most of the training was over and i can only be in one spot at a time.

I'm also human and i have kids. Give me a fucking break Nirgon.

If you honestly think I would just look the other way while a guild cheated or exploited then i don't know what to tell you beyond what i've already said.

Also if you are looking for a big fat public post of "WE REMOVED DRAGON LEWTZ" it's not going to be coming because that's not how we operate. I can tell you that we've been super busy lately and just because we haven't made it to that yet doesn't mean we aren't going to do it.

We are hiring new guides so those of you who feel that I do such a piss poor job - feel free to apply and you can help out so maybe I can try to be in morem than 1 place at once.

Thanks.

[Nirgon]

I'm saying you posted logs while standing there during an attempt to bug the dragon out and put the "proof" stamp on it. I don't think you know what you needed to be looking for when those dragons were killed, that's not an admission of guilt but a point of contention for me.

In fact, you're not doing a piss poor job nor is the job of you to remove dragon loot. We've been over that and it's clear.

"Joke" number 1 is their continual denial of it.

"Joke" number 2 is none of them have been suspended and two dragons have been killed recently using the same tactic with no suspensions.

I'm sure the next move is "GET PROOF" but I'm currently dry on my wells and would have to start from scratch again. All the proof is there, we're not waiting on you Amelinda. So, I hope that clears up who I'm furrowing my brows @.

[Lazortag]

Please tell me when ANYONE watched them push it into a wall and said they saw nothing wrong? if you mean me - if your guild hadn't been acting straight up foolish that night I wouldn't have had to run around the zone to watch for trains (also part of my job) and co uld have stood there and tested the AE the entire time. BUT UNFORTUNATELY some people just had to train. I never saw who was actually training because by the time I was looking most of the training was over and i can only be in one spot at a time.

I'm also human and i have kids. Give me a fucking break Nirgon.

If you honestly think I would just look the other way while a guild cheated or exploited then i don't know what to tell you beyond what i've already said.

Also if you are looking for a big fat public post of "WE REMOVED DRAGON LEWTZ" it's not going to be coming because that's not how we operate. I can tell you that we've been super busy lately and just because we haven't made it to that yet doesn't mean we aren't going to do it.

We are hiring new guides so those of you who feel that I do such a piss poor job - feel free to apply and you can help out so maybe I can try to be in morem than 1 place at once.

Thanks.

Nirgon just got owned:

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http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/Nirgondeadgg2.jpg

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/Nirgondeadgg3.jpg

[Nirgon]

Can you at least get Nirgon has been slain by a specter or something in there? lol

[El Culo]

had to crop it for mq2

[aerokella]

Failed delivery on GM promise.

Two sides being held accountable differently for the same crime.

There's a word that gets thrown around here under such circumstances, but I still appreciate Red99.

Welcome to Project 1999

[Kringe]

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If you honestly think I would just look the other way while a guild cheated or exploited then i don't know what to tell you beyond what i've already said.

Also if you are looking for a big fat public post of "WE REMOVED DRAGON LEWTZ" it's not going to be coming because that's not how we operate. I can tell you that we've been super busy lately and just because we haven't made it to that yet doesn't mean we aren't going to do it.


Thanks.

I dont think anyone is looking for any sort of apology Amelinda, I think what the issue seems to be is that Nihilum can post screenshots (Giving Rogean proof, along with the logs/ones he already has) showing they exploited the kills of quite a few dragons now and yet their reprocussions of a suspension (such as what we received) arent happening..

This puts a bad taste in the players on the servers mouth as to where what is punishable and what isnt? Are guilds to be punished for breaking server rules ONLY if witnessed by GMS on the spot? Or do proof/fraps logs warrant a different style of punishement. Or do they get punished seperately based upon however soandso feels like dealing with them at the time...

I am certainly not bashing anything You guys do for us because we play here for free... I just know that so far we can look at the facts....
My Guild was outted publicly across the server by Rogean for what we caused/did, Nihilium can post tons of Screenshots/give rogean them also with logs, and basically say "Hah" we slay dragons dogs... Thats how we roll to the community, with no reprocussions or at minimal a legitimate response from the powers that be, that their punishment will be similar and or dealt with.

I think thats all we are looking for... And seems to be the biggest bane of our server... Communication. (Someone, anyone to just write a 5 letter response) we are looking at it, and it will be dealty with fair and just...


Something along those lines, would ease alot of peoples minds in moving forward..

[aerokella]

as said by holo members in big smedys starwars time video, rogean does not give a fuck.

lol.

[Zallar]

I don't think you're going to get a statement that says "We will not punish exploiters unless we visually see it ourselves" because then everyone goes "Ah Ha, if I know the staff are asleep, I've got the quoted permission to use every exploit in the game. There are combinations of options available, Logs, Guides, etc. If they have enough internal evidence that they have a reasonable confirmation of an exploit, they'll act on it.

However, knowing this community, I don't blame them on not relying upon player supplied screenshots and logs because of the extremes people will go to doctor up evidence. They can only trust their own sources.

[Nirgon]

Having shooped a few whoomps myself etcetc... yeah... right...

[Kringe]

I don't think you're going to get a statement that says "We will not punish exploiters unless we visually see it ourselves" because then everyone goes "Ah Ha, if I know the staff are asleep, I've got the quoted permission to use every exploit in the game. There are combinations of options available, Logs, Guides, etc. If they have enough internal evidence that they have a reasonable confirmation of an exploit, they'll act on it.

However, knowing this community, I don't blame them on not relying upon player supplied screenshots and logs because of the extremes people will go to doctor up evidence. They can only trust their own sources.

I agree completely, however my rebuttal to that is this...Do you blame them for not relying on their own server logs?


First Disclaimer: I have not read any posts in this thread since page 26.. I can not spend all day on these boards like some of you >_>

Having said that, I am looking into the vox kill.

Here is the encounter log:

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4963900

And here's some new screenshots that just came to light:

http://www.rogean.com/images/vox1.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox2.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox3.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox4.png

Looks like using a doorway to somehow exploit line if sight in a way that allows you to attack but avoid getting hit by AE's?

Want to explain this one Nihilum?

And or Rogeans own hand?

[Silikten]

This puts a bad taste in the players on the servers mouth as to where what is punishable and what isnt? Are guilds to be punished for breaking server rules ONLY if witnessed by GMS on the spot? Or do proof/fraps logs warrant a different style of punishement. Or do they get punished seperately based upon however soandso feels like dealing with them at the time

Wait you mean I can't post random pictures and say people were exploiting to get them banned? Nonsense, please review this policy!!

Reality wise, GMs have to witness it because player base is extremely bias and any situation can be turned into an attack even though it is legit.

[Jadian]

Heartbrand posting SS's making himself look retarded?

What else is new.

[Jadian]

DUURRRR DID WE PULL TEH DRAGUNS?!!!?!

[Kringe]

First Disclaimer: I have not read any posts in this thread since page 26.. I can not spend all day on these boards like some of you >_>

Having said that, I am looking into the vox kill.

Here is the encounter log:

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4963900

And here's some new screenshots that just came to light:

http://www.rogean.com/images/vox1.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox2.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox3.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox4.png

Looks like using a doorway to somehow exploit line if sight in a way that allows you to attack but avoid getting hit by AE's?

Want to explain this one Nihilum?

So Your basically saying... Server logs mean nothing.... So much for Mq users eh?

This a pisspoor response to this arguement Silikten... If there wasnt proof of what he has and these were just all "Doctored" screenshots, then ok... But we know different.

[heartbrand]

DUURRRR DID WE PULL TEH DRAGUNS?!!!?!

someone clearly doesn't understand sarcasm

[pojab]

lol wow nice photo of all your melees and pets exploiting bugged melee through wall to avoid aoe. super legit kill.

[hagard]

lol wow nice photo of all your melees and pets exploiting bugged melee through wall to avoid aoe. super legit kill.

Lol looks totally legit

[Albane]

Is it possible to Perma Root Vox and Nagafen and give them the ability to summon agro players? I know this isn't classic, but bugging the shit out of Classic bosses was not this common.

[pojab]

less than perfect option > completely fucked encounter that is exploited literally 100% of the time.

[Albane]

less than perfect option > completely fucked encounter that is exploited literally 100% of the time.

Part of the fun of this game was the weeks farming FR gear and CR gear for the 30+ person fight of Nagafen. This isn't classic when you can go there with 2 groups in dps gear and let your pets kill Nag and Vox.

[aerokella]

Part of the fun of this game was the weeks farming FR gear and CR gear for the 30+ person fight of Nagafen. This isn't classic when you can go there with 2 groups in dps gear and let your pets kill Nag and Vox.

^^^^^^^^^^^

[Supreme]

Part of the fun of this game was the weeks farming FR gear and CR gear for the 30+ person fight of Nagafen. This isn't classic when you can go there with 2 groups in dps gear and let your pets kill Nag and Vox.

Now how we do it.

But ok.

[Filthed]

alot of QQQQQ

[PhantomRogue]

Part of the fun of this game was the weeks farming FR gear and CR gear for the 30+ person fight of Nagafen. This isn't classic when you can go there with 2 groups in dps gear and let your pets kill Nag and Vox.

Those are the same people who bitched about farming VT Keys during Luclin though.

Side note. That Server log dosen't tell me much... Doesn't say anything about damage taken, healing done and healing taken (assuming those are logged, but I believe they are, I don't know). Those are the obvious data points to tell if they bugged out the AE.

Makes me wish I had access to those admin tools though, heh. Since I bet that display of data doesn't tell you everything... WTB Admin Access to those logs.

[Albane]

Those are the same people who bitched about farming VT Keys during Luclin though.

Side note. That Server log dosen't tell me much... Doesn't say anything about damage taken, healing done and healing taken (assuming those are logged, but I believe they are, I don't know). Those are the obvious data points to tell if they bugged out the AE.

Makes me wish I had access to those admin tools though, heh. Since I bet that display of data doesn't tell you everything... WTB Admin Access to those logs.

There is only one reason you pull her to that location and fight her there, to get her center into the wall, so you can still melee her without the AOE hitting you back. Pretty obvious that is what is being done here.

[Nirgon]

More like aoes cast. It's possible for someone to not get aoed using the wall. But shouldn't be possible to do damage the whole or half the fight without getting feared or aoed as a pet or melee.

[Supreme]

More like aoes cast. It's possible for someone to not get aoed using the wall. But shouldn't be possible to do damage the whole or half the fight without getting feared or aoed as a pet or melee.


If you say so.

[Doublestep]

on Live a monk can solo any dragon from classic-kunark with just a cleric merc 50+

[Doublestep]

excuse me, molo

[Bruuce]

i wish people would have told the extremely insignificant amount of melee we had on vox/naggy that they could stand in a wall and avoid melee while attacking. because then i wouldnt have heal them. cause we all know the key to success for a dragon raid is to have those 250dps mid 40s auto attacking without danger of being AEd.

[Bruuce]

that they could stand in a wall and avoid AE**

[Xantille]

i wish people would have told the extremely insignificant amount of melee we had on vox/naggy that they could stand in a wall and avoid melee while attacking. because then i wouldnt have heal them. cause we all know the key to success for a dragon raid is to have those 250dps mid 40s auto attacking without danger of being AEd.

Saved for further self-guild-incrimination.

[Nirgon]

Now how we do it.

But ok.

Had to open your mouth, so let's stuff something back in it.. again, your own words.

So you say "NOW" how about... "BEFORE"? Nizzar have you approved this spokesman?

Lol!

We've seen the screen shots but quotables are always welcome on this side of the playing field.

If we have to take PvP deaths and be "nice" on the red server to get fair treatment? Just put it in the rules, I'm sure some would be happy to oblige.

[Bruuce]

Saved for further self-guild-incrimination.

you must be new to rnf.
http://www.fontdiner.com/diners.jpg
have a seat bro, stay a while

[Supreme]

Had to open your mouth, so let's stuff something back in it.. again, your own words.

So you say "NOW" how about... "BEFORE"? Nizzar have you approved this spokesman?

Lol!

We've seen the screen shots but quotables are always welcome on this side of the playing field.

If we have to take PvP deaths and be "nice" on the red server to get fair treatment? Just put it in the rules, I'm sure some would be happy to oblige.

Now=Not

Mispelled:D

[Nirgon]

Now=Not

Mispelled:D

I think the initial screen by Lovely and the one at the top of this thread are also "mispelled".

We hadta hire a guy who counterfeits modern US 20,50 and 100 dollar bills to get that shit done. A for effort.

[Supreme]

We hadta hire a guy who counterfeits modern US 20,50 and 100 dollar bills to get that shit done. A for effort.


Wut?

[Bruuce]

still cant see a difference between being warned not to intentionally exploit and doing it anyways, and (wasnt present at this raid so idk really) killing a mob that may have unintentionallt bugged out after putting x amount of time into the encounter?


k bro.

[heartbrand]

Bruuce, you're pretty cool in my book but look at the chat from that raid, it's clear every1 knew it was a complete farce, look at Hughman's AE shouts and then "trololol" or the fact that not one line of text was said from the inc to the death other than Hughmans joking. Don't tell me it was said in vent, because 1) I was there, but 2) we both know that little is really done via vent in Nihilum in terms of co-ordination.

[Nirgon]

Case closed long ago. Time to get off this bros : /.

Take it for what it is.

[Bruuce]

Bruuce, you're pretty cool in my book but look at the chat from that raid, it's clear every1 knew it was a complete farce, look at Hughman's AE shouts and then "trololol" or the fact that not one line of text was said from the inc to the death other than Hughmans joking. Don't tell me it was said in vent, because 1) I was there, but 2) we both know that little is really done via vent in Nihilum in terms of co-ordination.

i think its futile to talk about or comment on whatever happened before the bug went public. this is how everquest exploits work. someone takes advantage of buggy code and gets something they maybe they shouldnt or couldnt have at the time. bug eventually goes public knowledge and its fixed or youre punished for doing it. i wasnt there with lovely and the handful of other people originally and i wasnt there the one after that when you were. every dragon raid after that i did attend and by that time the bugs were all public and common knowledge and we never used them. infact when vox bugged the multiple times we were trying various pull spots, the call was made to camp or zone, rather than take advantage of that. so unlike your guild, we chose not to exploit when we could have after the exploit was brought to light to the devs/gms. this is the reason you guys received suspensions and why we didnt. not hard to understand.


its funny how butthurt some people all. it went from 'lol who cares about pixels that wont help you pvp lol' to 'amg this loot must be destroyed for the integrity of the server' P QUICK

[Bruuce]

only like that first sentence is directed at you, heartbrand. i noticed that after reading what i wrote. dont nuke me

[Amuk]

It was more lolz we'll just get in range and take it from you the same way you've been doing it, to us getting suspended.

Not that I care - I'm fine with the two weeks, perma ban was frustrating, but it really is w/e.

If you think an ex member posting screenshots of you using the same exploit we used, laughing about the lack of ae's in guild chat and 0 comments about wtf why is this bugged promoting a fair and equal rule server, you're crazy.

I won't rage too hard about this, but if I was a new player and seeing the clear lack of rule enforcement equally to all players I'd probably just not play - that was if I wasn't one of the 100 eq junkys that will play on any shitty box.

[Amuk]

I mean honestly, if shits being exploited - I'm fine with it, I don't think Holo were too worried about it. Once we hit 50 we shit on you guys, corpse camped Reikar about 30 times and went and killed the dragon in the exact same way.

If we knew that there would be some random GM appearance after two months of the server and hand out suspensions we would have just done him legit once more logged on.

It really is a learning experience, I guess with a new server and new gm's we assumed it wouldn't be such biased GM enforcement - and that's probably what ppl are annoyed about. I honestly just assumed noone cared, which is probably still half right.

[Supreme]

Discovering a bug and exploiting a known bug is two things entirely different.

You know this, so does anyone that ever played high raid content in Everquest. No one "wants" to get a free kill by exploiting...which is why it was surprising when all of this went down.

But Rogean looked at it from your side and realized that perhaps the punish was a little harsh and recended it. I am glad he did and i wish that you guys could just be glad for that and move on.

[Amuk]

Typical spinning, I'm fine with it - and probably won't post again. A screenshot of a guild exploiting, laughing about the AE that won't hit, and 0 discussion about anything relating to the bugged dragon clearly shows that you just stumbled upon it. It's all just speculation, and infact you will be getting your shit pushed in again shortly, enjoy your uncontested Naggy for a couple weeks.

[Supreme]

See you then.

[Labanen]

Vox AoEs, heals and fears just like she is supposed to, thats the reason the fight lasts so long and why people die during the cause of it.
We have the organization to deal with it though. And we do not mind a GM come watch over our shoulders to see if its done legit, in fact we welcome it. When Vox accidently agroed on us and got stuck in the wall it took several attempts and quite a few deaths to drag her out of there and reset properly so we could do a real attempt, then a GM would ve come in handy.

Also due to the intense trolling on these boards im sure an extra watchful eye is being kept on any dragon kill, and thats just fine. I can tell you dont believe me on this, maybe you re right, tbh its not easy to see if there is a hidden gm in zone... but I am sure there is more often than you think on big fights, and thats not gonna get less when the shit gets more contested. Doubt its for fun that Rogean just made a call for more guides too apply.

Noone in Nihilum wants to fight a 32k hp pillow, we dont have huge numbers for these fights and we want the challenge. And even though its completely immature over content which is this old, its still a rush when you do it, because it takes cooperation to succeed still. Of course the tactics arent groundbreaking, and its been done before by others... MANY others, still fun when it works though. Last Vox kill i was at, took like 45 mins or so on the succesful attempt and it was cool to see the guild working like a fucking machine for that long, and i and many others present got a real kick out of it.

The double standard story is just wrong, Amelinda or whoever that would be present, would be just as happy to swing the banhammer at me or anyone in our guild as she would on you if either of us did something to deserve it.

I hold you in some esteem for your actions ingame Nirgon, I mean, clearly you d stick an Ice comet up my ass on next given opportunity, but thats some of what this server is all about, and luckily if i am just half sober then clerics dont die too easily. Still you certainly had some class when we did trades, so all this forum-rage seem below what i would expect. Have alittle respect for your opponents and just a tiny tiny bit more faith in the GM system then you do currently.

[Amuk]

Amelinda has been there for the last two dragons, noone disputes that you are doing them legit now, I think the 13 ppl with 6 lvl 50s, and healers nuking was the issue - this horse is beaten, and I just got sucked into another post aah.

[Labanen]

this horse is beaten fine, i agree. Prolly as good as any ending that can be achieved in a RnF post...

[pojab]

glad that you guys are able to do them legit now with 0 competition on the server.

[Nirgon]

still cant see a difference between being warned not to intentionally exploit and doing it anyways, and (wasnt present at this raid so idk really) killing a mob that may have unintentionallt bugged out after putting x amount of time into the encounter?


k bro.

I think if you peel the bull shit away and realize time invested is an obfuscation of what's going on here (original SS evidence), along with the little snickery comments in there:

NAGAFEN GOING TO AE IN 12 SECONDS (LUL YA RITE), INC CH HUGHMAN (TROLOLOL LIKE IT MATTERS).

You can see that these kills have never been legit. "Hey let's do Vox next lol". Any attempt to save face at "well it was an accident so we're allowed to keep the loot" is just shockingly stupid to use as a defense... except when the deciding party accepts it.

There's doing it one time as an accident. Great, he'd still be alive after that kill and you'd all be better men for it. But that's not the case, both dragons have been killed several times including again after 100 pages of threads making light of it and exposing the truth.

My question to you, those not involved, is - How is this not backwards and stupid, and shocking that someone would believe it?

->Knowing that a mob will bug out, then fucking with it for 3.5 hours and claiming the loot is yours to keep as legit each time, no suspensions or guild disband.

-> Not only Keeping the loot, but now beliefs are in place that mobs are being killed legitimately.

Let's be hypothetical here for a second-
I'm curious to see the result of our same force, let's call it 18 people, wiping you out in Lavastorm for an hour or two. Then, we start doing pulls and one of you stumbles in noticing we have the dragon in the same locations, pushing it into the wall.

What do I think will happen?

I see you guys running to the GMs again and us getting in an unreversable, absolute, shit ton of trouble. AKA all of us perma/IP banned.

History repeats itself:
->enemy guild exploits dragon, exploit is reported and petitioned along with screen shots. No one suspended, no guild disbanded, presumably loots are now being kept.

-> guild returns from suspension knowing the strat that is currently being witnessed and claimed as legit, wipes out enemy force, repeats strategy... receives punishment? Hmm.

That said, what do we do from here? What is permissible on a kill? I can't imagine "accidentally" getting the dragons to bug out for a .. what, 10th time is going to be OK?


I'm kind of repeating myself from the above here again but...

Apparently pushing it into or otherwise pulling it into a wall to get it to stop aoe'ing is cool beans, given we continue /gu'ing our CH rotation and breath timers over the course of a few hours. But this tactic, like the stolen one previous is known now. Whether or not we do decide to act upon it or not (and be at a disadvantage loot-wise) is up to us, and enforcement thereafter by the GMs.

^ What choice would any of you make?

Consider next coming Monday we log in and do this, what do you think will happen to us? Us being "the bad guy" aside, and perhaps perma-banned if we do make the decision, what happens to your guild when you're then in this situation?

I'm very interested in opinions outside of Holo/Nihi.


Mine? Leash the dragons until this push into a wall shit is fixed. Problem solved.

[Nirgon]

My question to you, those not involved, is - How is this not backwards and stupid, and shocking that someone would believe it?


Let's rephrase that to - expect someone to believe that. Namely, Nihilum / forum nut hangers. I realize that this may be taken as an insult to the staff which it is not.

[Nirgon]

Discovering a bug and exploiting a known bug is two things entirely different.



Discovering it once is fine if you had to ask me.


Not "discovering" it 7... 8... 9 times?

But this one "discovery" goes out the window considering it has been known on blue forever. See Uthgaard's posts from other thread.

[Bruuce]

the ollll triple post. u mad bro? im finding it difficult to firgure out what youre trying to say. are you saying that we have used any types of exploits on any vox/naggy fight since we reported the bugs to devs/gms prior to you guys getting banned for it? if thats what youre trying to sayyour little forum crusade aint gonna work bro

[Nirgon]

1st post, obligatory.

2nd, stating an intention because I've began taken out of context before. It's my never my intent to insult or attack the staff members. However, I may question their decisions from time to time.

3rd, responding directly to something absolutely nuts that Supreme said. A discovery implies "a first time". "Discovering" it multiple times is stupid as fuck to use as a defense.

[Labanen]

noone disputes that you are doing them legit now.That may not be the case, beats me what is needed to prove it.


Not "discovering" it 7... 8... 9 times? where do you get those numbers from ? random generator ?

this horse is beaten.the horse will have to take more beating it would seem. Poor thing...

[Lovely]

Nihilum stomping the server just as I left it. GOOD JOB GUYS - I'M TRULY PROUD!!!!!!

It's funny how things never change around here. Holocaust getting stomped and tearing up on forums.

Troriste ill log on and do what you asked me when I got time. I only got it installed on my shitty laptop atm.

[Nirgon]

6 Naggies
3 Voxes


Or am I off on that?

[Bruuce]

ok so what youre saying is that weve exploited every single dragon kill. and GMs are just sitting back watching us do that.

cool bro.


join nihilum, get loots bros. dont like it? get banned.

[Nirgon]

K you haven't been caught, right.

[Bruuce]

thats correct. we havent been caught. because were not exploiting these kills.

[Lovely]

How to kill Nagafen in a true fashion Lovely style!

http://imageshack.dk/imagesfree/vW736748.jpg

[The Revanchist]

Blocking out with chat logs instead of black boxes? I like it.

[Bruuce]

thats his reg ui

[Lovely]

Yeah man, when you use binds you actually don't need anything else on the screen beside chat boxes and I sure like them boxes.

[The Revanchist]

<3

[beowulf420]

If you exploit you should be suspended or banned, nirgon. Just like holo was.


You guys whine and rage all over the forums expecting someone to care about your biased opinions. We answer to the gm's. They are present when the dragon dies. So Keep on trolling scub, while we continue to "exploit" our way to loot.

We feed on your salty tears.

[Nirgon]

thats correct. we havent been caught. because were not exploiting these kills.

So the one at the beginning of this thread isn't.

Nor are any of the others where Nagafen is dead in the Skarlon hallway.

Lol..

Nor is the attack through wall "better lucky than exploit" on Vox.

[Bruuce]

the one at the beginning of the thread isnt what? proof? i wouldnt say its irrefutable evidence by any means.

we havent killed naggy in skarlon hallways since we reported that bug. we kill him on the steps right next to his lair. p much the first corner where you can dodge AEs.

we've never used any type of exploit where melee can stand somewhere and attack through a wall and not get hit by AEs. the screenshot you see melee hiding beding the wall is something you have to do very frequently to avoind AE spells. i know this to be true because our first kill(which is the same kill rogean posted SSs accusing us of doing that) i was assigned to patch heal the melee who got hit(and they did relatively frequently)

next.

[Nirgon]

Bug well documented and known from blue regarding dragons being unable to aoe if in wall. Bugs were figured out on blue, came here.

We have SS proof of at least Naggy not aoeing within a 16 second interval, confirmed by Kanras he should be.

We have SS proof and admission of guilt of Vox being killed through a wall by pets and melees.

GG.

[Bruuce]

We have SS proof and admission of guilt of Vox being killed through a wall by pets and melees.

post plz

[Nirgon]

post plz


First Disclaimer: I have not read any posts in this thread since page 26.. I can not spend all day on these boards like some of you >_>

Having said that, I am looking into the vox kill.

Here is the encounter log:

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4963900

And here's some new screenshots that just came to light:

http://www.rogean.com/images/vox1.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox2.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox3.png
http://www.rogean.com/images/vox4.png

Looks like using a doorway to somehow exploit line if sight in a way that allows you to attack but avoid getting hit by AE's?

Want to explain this one Nihilum?


Vox was tanked by hughman in plain sight, we found out that the bard could attack tru the wall there(more lucky than exploit) and we just pilled everyone there.


You might have missed this.



Oh and this (14s+ with no Naggy fear or aoe):

Grown ups time.


Anyway:

January 9, 2012
14sec and not one AOE from naggy - mob was halfway inside the wall. I hope Amelinda didn't claim to watch this mockery.

[Tue Jan 10 00:33:16 2012] Mezz feels much better.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:16 2012] A missed note brings Dekadenz's song to a close!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:17 2012] Nacho begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:17 2012] A missed note brings Presidente's song to a close!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:17 2012] Zhit begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:17 2012] greater kobold shaman begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Arbie says, 'Hail, Rob'
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Arbie says, 'Hail, Rob'
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Nerfed begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Arbie says, 'Hail, Rob'
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Arbie says, 'Hail, Rob'
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Hughman slashes Lord Nagafen for 22 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but Lord Nagafen dodges!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:18 2012] Mezz begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Lord Nagafen claws Hughman for 138 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Lord Nagafen was burned.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Lord Nagafen tries to claw Hughman, but Hughman parries!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Lord Nagafen tries to claw Hughman, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Reika staggers.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Reika staggers.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:19 2012] Hughman slashes Lord Nagafen for 3 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Reika staggers.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Reika staggers.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Emumu slashes Lord Nagafen for 15 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Hughman peers through a telescope.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Reika staggers.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Arbie says, 'Hail'
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Emumu bashes Lord Nagafen for 5 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Jarab crushes Lord Nagafen for 43 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Jarab kicks Lord Nagafen for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:20 2012] Reika staggers.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Nacho's casting is interrupted!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but Lord Nagafen dodges!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Emumu begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Lord Nagafen claws Hughman for 192 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Lord Nagafen was burned.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Xenober tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Xenober tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:21 2012] Xenober tries to bash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:22 2012] Hughman bashes Lord Nagafen for 4 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:22 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:22 2012] Lord Nagafen tries to kick Hughman, but Hughman ripostes!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:22 2012] Hughman slashes Lord Nagafen for 9 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:22 2012] Jarab says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:23 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:23 2012] Xenober slashes Lord Nagafen for 53 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:23 2012] Xenober tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:23 2012] Lord Nagafen claws Hughman for 138 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:23 2012] Lord Nagafen was burned.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:23 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:24 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:24 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:24 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:24 2012] Emumu tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:24 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Hughman peers through a telescope.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Xenober tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Xenober slashes Lord Nagafen for 17 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Lord Nagafen claws Hughman for 255 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Lord Nagafen was burned.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Lord Nagafen claws Hughman for 219 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Lord Nagafen was burned.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Lord Nagafen claws Hughman for 255 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Lord Nagafen was burned.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:25 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:26 2012] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Xenober tries to kick Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Emumu bashes lava duct crawler for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Emumu tries to slash lava duct crawler, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Hughman slashes Lord Nagafen for 9 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Rufuss begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Xenober tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Xenober slashes Lord Nagafen for 30 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:27 2012] Xenober tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:28 2012] Hughman peers through a telescope.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:28 2012] Lord Nagafen claws Hughman for 255 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:28 2012] Lord Nagafen was burned.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:28 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:28 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Emumu tries to slash lava duct crawler, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Emumu slashes lava duct crawler for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Hughman tries to bash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Lebaner tries to bite Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Lebaner kicks Lord Nagafen for 33 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Hughman tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:29 2012] Xenober tries to slash Lord Nagafen, but misses!
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:30 2012] Hughman slashes Lord Nagafen for 20 points of damage.
[Tue Jan 10 00:33:30 2012] Emumu slashes lava duct crawler for 58 points of damage.

Might wanna control your pets.

Also ss:

http://i40.tinypic.com/bio0o2.png
http://i40.tinypic.com/34xol1i.png

AKA How these dragons are currently killed.

Anything else you want?

[hagard]

Anything else you want?


Ding ding ding

[Nirgon]

Ding ding ding

http://yourpaulton.org/images/bell.jpg

A much easier request to fill than "prove we exploited dragons" or "prove we MQ'd" on blue. Glad to provide it.

[Bruuce]

so more screenshots and logs of the first 2 naggys which you are using to claim we still kill him in the same manner. we dont.

i must have missed the call from nizzar on our 1st vox regarding melee attacking through the wall. it seems so did most of our melee because they were all still getting hit by ae fairly often.

[fiegi]

"Rogean doesn't give a fuck"

sums up this thread

[Nizzarr]

I think if you peel the bull shit away and realize time invested is an obfuscation of what's going on here (original SS evidence), along with the little snickery comments in there:

NAGAFEN GOING TO AE IN 12 SECONDS (LUL YA RITE), INC CH HUGHMAN (TROLOLOL LIKE IT MATTERS).

You can see that these kills have never been legit. "Hey let's do Vox next lol". Any attempt to save face at "well it was an accident so we're allowed to keep the loot" is just shockingly stupid to use as a defense... except when the deciding party accepts it.

There's doing it one time as an accident. Great, he'd still be alive after that kill and you'd all be better men for it. But that's not the case, both dragons have been killed several times including again after 100 pages of threads making light of it and exposing the truth.

My question to you, those not involved, is - How is this not backwards and stupid, and shocking that someone would believe it?

->Knowing that a mob will bug out, then fucking with it for 3.5 hours and claiming the loot is yours to keep as legit each time, no suspensions or guild disband.

-> Not only Keeping the loot, but now beliefs are in place that mobs are being killed legitimately.

Let's be hypothetical here for a second-
I'm curious to see the result of our same force, let's call it 18 people, wiping you out in Lavastorm for an hour or two. Then, we start doing pulls and one of you stumbles in noticing we have the dragon in the same locations, pushing it into the wall.

What do I think will happen?

I see you guys running to the GMs again and us getting in an unreversable, absolute, shit ton of trouble. AKA all of us perma/IP banned.

History repeats itself:
->enemy guild exploits dragon, exploit is reported and petitioned along with screen shots. No one suspended, no guild disbanded, presumably loots are now being kept.

-> guild returns from suspension knowing the strat that is currently being witnessed and claimed as legit, wipes out enemy force, repeats strategy... receives punishment? Hmm.

That said, what do we do from here? What is permissible on a kill? I can't imagine "accidentally" getting the dragons to bug out for a .. what, 10th time is going to be OK?


I'm kind of repeating myself from the above here again but...

Apparently pushing it into or otherwise pulling it into a wall to get it to stop aoe'ing is cool beans, given we continue /gu'ing our CH rotation and breath timers over the course of a few hours. But this tactic, like the stolen one previous is known now. Whether or not we do decide to act upon it or not (and be at a disadvantage loot-wise) is up to us, and enforcement thereafter by the GMs.

^ What choice would any of you make?

Consider next coming Monday we log in and do this, what do you think will happen to us? Us being "the bad guy" aside, and perhaps perma-banned if we do make the decision, what happens to your guild when you're then in this situation?

I'm very interested in opinions outside of Holo/Nihi.


Mine? Leash the dragons until this push into a wall shit is fixed. Problem solved.

Thats nice fiction, you should become a writer

[Harrison]

Nirgon so mad. Holocaust still confirmed dirty as fuck.

[Bruuce]

one thing i will admit is that having harrison on my(our) side does just automatically make me feel like im wrong.

EVEN THO IM NOT

[Lawler]

You might have missed this.



Oh and this (14s+ with no Naggy fear or aoe):



AKA How these dragons are currently killed.

Anything else you want?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=522473&postcount=962
Cast confirmed log editor, Nirgon confirmed retard.

[nerfed]

Bruuce, logic doesn't work on trolls.

[Nirgon]

Rogean confirmed log edi.... wait a minute.

If your defense is every screen shot and log presented is doctored?

LOL @ you. Can't even admit it lol.

Nizzar asked "get me proof" we exploited on blue.

I'd say that was my favorite thus far except for the Rogean screenies.

[Nirgon]

http://i39.tinypic.com/wgrojm.png

[Lawler]

http://i39.tinypic.com/wgrojm.png

Goddamn your a dumbass Rob dropped 30% between SS's...

[Nirgon]

And everyone getting aoe'd was only be 5 lines right

Yeah ok.

[Nirgon]

Even better you think 500dmg is 30% of a naked 40 some mage's hp? Luls.

[Lawler]

And everyone getting aoe'd was only be 5 lines right

Yeah ok.
Someone has finally at least partially opened their eyes, now you can use some brain power to deduce that only hughman and rob were getting hit by the AE because only he and the few pets were on that side of the wall.
Even better you think 500dmg is 30% of a naked 40 some mage's hp? Luls.
See anything else hitting him? A fully HP buffed caster can get 1500hp. Hes obviously buffed, notice the lovely buff block tactics.

[Harrison]

I mean honestly, if shits being exploited - I'm fine with it, I don't think Holo were too worried about it. Once we hit 50 we shit on you guys, corpse camped Reikar about 30 times and went and killed the dragon in the exact same way.

If we knew that there would be some random GM appearance after two months of the server and hand out suspensions we would have just done him legit once more logged on.

It really is a learning experience, I guess with a new server and new gm's we assumed it wouldn't be such biased GM enforcement - and that's probably what ppl are annoyed about. I honestly just assumed noone cared, which is probably still half right.



Fucking rofl. We only exploited because we thought no one was looking.

[Nirgon]

Correction because it was unenforced despite us going to them about it.

Because we did it the week before and also, like them, got away with it.

Killed them in pvp again, rinse and repeat.

I touched no dirty pixels. Fucking rofl.

[Lawler]

Nirgon investigation in shambles, confirmed shamed.

[Nirgon]

I think it was a glowing success tbqh.

[Amuk]

Fucking rofl. We only exploited because we thought no one was looking.

Yea I assumed noone cared since it seemed to be the standard strat of any Naggy kill. I would honestly just rather have no rules, fix the mob, and all strats are fair game - enforcing harsh sentences only if gm's feel like logging on to witness it, or if it's during prime time is meh.

I'm pretty sure Harrison's trolling, but I don't know - I've had ppl on my nuts before but this guy just needs to nit pick every little thing and take everything out of context to try to feel like he's fighting the man or something, he's like cast 2.0.

[Bruuce]

I would honestly just rather have no rules, fix the mob, and all strats are fair game.

i like you bro. you say a lot of smart things and i agree with you on a lot of issues like this.

[Labanen]

Yea I assumed noone cared since it seemed to be the standard strat of any Naggy kill. yeah, dont believe forumtrolls. It is not the standardstrat.

I would honestly just rather have no rules, fix the mob, and all strats are fair. totally agree, but might not be so easy for the devteam, or im sure it would already be like that

[Amelinda]

"Rogean doesn't give a fuck"

sums up this thread

The more people talk shit about rogean and the server staff and point fingers and try and beat the shit out of this dead horse......

the LESS Amelinda cares.

seriously.

this bullshit makes me want to quit guiding.

[Nirgon]

Don't get trolled

[Crazycloud]

The more people talk shit about rogean and the server staff and point fingers and try and beat the shit out of this dead horse......

the LESS Amelinda cares.

seriously.

this bullshit makes me want to quit guiding.


Its true. Can't deny facts.

[Nirgon]

Rogean does, in fact, care :P.

This issue is back on the right track. Any further arguing is me challenging Nihilum's claim to a valid defense.

[Crazycloud]

Care's about p1999 i agree.

[Nirgon]

I'm not saying he didn't have a grudge against us.

But often times people hate that which they do not know.

From what I can see, a lot of people here get a huge kick out of fighting Holocaust or going for that kill shot on us. Holo has certainly added entertainment value to the box, unfortunately recently, over the past 2 weeks all that excitement has been on the forums.

I'm glad no one was banned over any of this and what's done is done. My boys are getting out of the pen on Monday, I believe.

It's time for some Everquest bros. Get your game face on. There's gonna be furniture moving in this mother fucker.

[Albane]

Rogean does, in fact, care :P.

This issue is back on the right track. Any further arguing is me challenging Nihilum's claim to a valid defense.

Considering how many people were on the raid, there should be at least a few legit screenshots showing Nagafen out of a wall and casting her AoE on people. Amazing that Nihilum hasn't shown any from these encounters.

I still say Nagafen and Vox should be perma rooted with the ability to summon the top agro player to them.

[El Culo]

The more people talk shit about rogean and the server staff and point fingers and try and beat the shit out of this dead horse......

the LESS Amelinda cares.

seriously.

this bullshit makes me want to quit guiding.

vz/tz notorious for shitting where they eat even while the meal is free

[Nirgon]

Wouldn't consider myself one of the VZ/TZ guys : /.

As far as my origins, other factors withstanding, I'd say I'm with the Zyrino and Xblade crowd.

I think this whole shit was more about me going after Nihilum (if you can read the threads and comprehend what's going on.. or hey check my post counts in there). So I'd have to label this one as I won't let bull shit sneak by me, although in this case, as far as sneaking by is concerned... it was more like a clumsy elephant in a glass factory.

Sorry if I put efforts into ousting people for exploiting raid mobs here, I'm sure it keeps you up at night. I'd say the "VZ/TZ" guys in my crew were much less of an investigatory or deciding factor and more like the Arsenio Hall audience cheering on the show.

Yours truly,
http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/02/14/previews/Arsenio%20Hall-SGG-037970.jpg
Nirgon

[Salty]

The more people talk shit about rogean and the server staff and point fingers and try and beat the shit out of this dead horse......

the LESS Amelinda cares.

seriously.

this bullshit makes me want to quit guiding.

So you only do it for the glory?

[Lovely]

Nirgon you seem more hurt then Cast. Must suck to be you

[Nirgon]

Nirgon you seem more hurt then Cast. Must suck to be you

Knowing that loot has been removed and you have all been exposed (thanks to you for the heads up btw on tipping us off with Skarlon hallway shots, you got the balling rolling bro!) coupled with the lulz that is the Nihilum kill shot thread... I wouldn't say I'm hurt at all.

Was I mad at one point? Yes, definitely. Rightfully so? I'd think so.

Inb4 "I play 20 hours a day but really don't care" BS


PS:
Please come visit me in game for some epic Gandalf vs Sauron wizard duelage!

[Harrison]

^butthurt.

[Snufz]

Does Harrison have 1700 posts on a game he doesn't play or am I missing something?

[El Culo]

no you seem to have all the facts

[Peppers]

Heard a rumor today that Troriste looted a spell early on in the first week of server launch. Spell: Resist Ban.

Is this true? Does it still drop? Does it drop off named? is it like box of abu and can drop off anything randomly? Does it drop only in a certain zone? Any info regarding this awesome new ability would be appreciated.

[Slathar]

^butthurt.

fat

[Nirgon]

Does Harrison have 1700 posts on a game he doesn't play or am I missing something?

He doesn't have to play to be better than you.

Cry more.

I'm going to the bowling alley to racially stereotype people.

Eyes off my coat, dawg.

[Filthed]

He doesn't have to play to be better than you.

Cry more.

I'm going to the bowling alley to racially stereotype people.

Eyes off my coat, dawg.

just find a nihilum post and ull see this guy qqqin on every page

[Nirgon]

^butthurt.

[Awwalike]

tite tho

[Harrison]

Does Harrison have 1700 posts on a game he doesn't play or am I missing something?

Yes, I googled "forum with highest concentration of cheating scumbags" and just went at it. I have never played EQ or P99. You figured it out Columbo.

[The Revanchist]

Huh, when I did that I got Foh

[yaaaflow]

Does Harrison have 1700 posts on a game he doesn't play or am I missing something?

Yea you're missing something, posts in R&F don't count so he's realistically at more like 4000+

[Torven]

How to kill Nagafen in a true fashion Lovely style!

http://imageshack.dk/imagesfree/vW736748.jpg

Wizard tank huh. Then why is Emumu inside the dragon in front of you while you have 99% hp and mana.

That censored screenshot (and my power being out) has inspired me to go over the encounter log again.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Emumu aggros Nagafen in lair at 20:05:34.

50 seconds pass before anybody other than a bard get added to hate list.

4 pets get put on Nagafen. Three die immediately, but likely due to melee damage as they die 1-2 seconds apart. Lilpis FDs.

First cleric (Nerfed) on hate list at 20:06:36.

Hughman added to hate list at 20:07:52, 2 minutes 18 seconds after initial aggro.

Most of the raid force engages around 20:08:10. Every single non-charmed pet with an owner that doesn't die that gets put on Nagafen at this time lives through the entire fight except Lilpis's second pet. Meaning zero (with one possible exception) pets died to AoEs after this time, which is a full 10 minutes before Nagafen's death, including a level 28 wolf pet from a level 40 shaman. (level 39 shaman pets have 900 hitpoints) At this point in time, Nagafen is still likely near full health, as the only possible sources of significant damage were from a 50 SK, a 45 bard, and one mage pet that did less than 765 damage.

Silver's pet dies at 20:08:45. This was the only pet to survive of the first four pets that engaged early during the pull. It did 765 damage.

Hughman dies at 20:08:50. Jibekn dies (or otherwise zones) 8 seconds later. Trotiste's pet either dies or breaks charm 11 seconds after Jibekn dies. Trotiste dies 6 seconds after his pet disengages Nagafen.

Second cleric (Fallen) on hate list at 20:09:03; two and a half minutes after Nerfed.

At 20:10:15, Lilpis's pet dies. From that point on, no entity is removed from Nagafen's hate list. Nagafen dies a full 8 minutes later.

Lovely added to hate list at 20:10:33-- 5 minutes after Emumu aggros Nagafen. He does all of 1589 damage the entire fight.

The last four players added to the hate list are 3 clerics and a resurrected Hughman. Face at 20:11:35, Milkshake at 20:13:40, and Reika one minute before Nagafen dies at 20:17:10.

Nagafen dies at 20:18:09. Three people die/gate: Hughman, Jibekn, and Troriste. They die early in the fight, and likely from dragon melee and a charm break.

The raid included a 32 warrior, a 36 warrior, and a 34 rogue-- who did not have a bard, were engaged for 8-10 minutes, and didn't die. Silver uses a water pet instead of a fire immune pet. The only bard chooses to melee instead of use a drum. Half the raid is below level 45.

The only entities to do more than 2k damage:

Gurrilla's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1007] 598 Length 6129 Damage
Jibekn's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1041] 466 Length 6124 Damage
Silver's Pet (SumWaterR12) (609)[1040] 492 Length 6104 Damage
Emumu (536)[1019] 755 Length 5162 Damage
Nacho's Pet (SpiritWolf234) (548)[1043] 431 Length 3323 Damage
Xzeal (2022)[1016] 511 Length 3180 Damage
Skelly (2623)[1004] 720 Length 3078 Damage
Troriste's Pet (sonic_bat) (32016)[960] 64 Length 2435 Damage
Hughman (115)[1045] 271 Length 2250 Damage

Most interesting is the hate done by every healer on that raid:

Troriste 50 Druid 0 Damage 3385 Hate
Bacon 40 Shaman 946 Damage 2127 Hate
Nacho 50 Shaman 0 Damage 1838 Hate
Nerfed 50 Cleric 0 Damage 1682 Hate
Face 33 Cleric 0 Damage 349 Hate
Fallen 50 Cleric 0 Damage 332 Hate
Ganka 45 Druid 0 Damage 199 Hate
Reika 50 Cleric 52 Damage 204 Hate
Milkshake 44 Cleric 0 Damage 49 Hate

As you can see, most healers have very little hate. Bacon was clearly nuking, (or meleeing) not healing. Troriste was only in the fight for 70 seconds and engaged with most of the raid at 20:07:55. He also had a charmed pet, which means he wasn't going to blow all his mana healing, if any at all. 3385 hate in 70 seconds indicates he was nuking and getting resisted, as heals do not generate anywhere near that much hate, and the only ice nuke druids have also has a fire debuff component, which means it is probably an all-or-nothing spell.

That leaves two healers with any significant amounts of healing done: Nerfed and Nacho. Nacho had enough mana to spare to summon a pet mid-battle. Amusingly Reika apparently found the time to melee Nagafen. Quite clearly there was NO CH ROT going on-- not even on the main tank.

For reference, on a more recent Nag kill with a similar fight duration, clerics all had a uniform 4k+ hate.

Everything indicates the dragon was not AoEing, including Lovely's screenshot. Notice everyone is spread out instead of minimizing the distance required to duck behind a corner to avoid AoEs. Lovely is nowhere near a corner, goofing off by meleeing Nagafen with full health. 'Accidental' or not, Nagafen clearly bugged out very early in the fight. Hell, Nagafen probably wasn't even meleeing some of the time with that lack of healing. Can one cleric and one shaman (who summons a pet mid-fight) keep a SK up for 10+ minutes against Nagafen's melee?

The difference between Holocaust and Nihilum is that Holocaust exploited after two months of GM inaction, after Nihilum had been getting away with so much for so long, with screenshots and logs showing their crimes. Holocaust admits wrong doing while Nihilum still lies, blacks out screenshots, and refuses to submit logs. Nihilum played the GMs for suckers by harassing them to monitor Holocaust's raids to eliminate the competition they fail to kill in PvP when they themselves were guilty of the same crime.

[Nirgon]

Torven, you aren't involved with Nihilum or Holocaust my son?

Perchance your involvement is related to your care of the server? And not some guild drama?

Ah, if I had that luxury. I must be branded as someone only trying to screw the other team.

Adds up pretty quick when you go over the events doesn't it?

[Torven]

I'm Biggie

[Amuk]

In a town in Manitoba, a criminal was charged with selling drugs. In jail he admits to a councellor(one of my trainers) that he also drinks and drives regulalry. My trainer asks why he's never been caught. The guy replies, because police have shift change at 11pm and all of the night shift go for a coffee break at 2:30 am assuming they arn't on a call. My instructor spoke with the police and he was exactly right, and able to drive shit faced several times a week.

Moral of the story, exploit early morning when Amelinda's in bed and no amount of logs/ss's will matter.

[fiegi]

Holocaust are the bad guys

Nihilum are the saints

Thats how it's gonna be by the garbage judgements by Rogean

Took a week, but i'm over it.

[Vile]

word on the street the emperor be up in nihilum

[Harrison]

Holocaust maaaaad? Probably shouldn't have cheated at all then.

[Crazycloud]

Wizard tank huh. Then why is Emumu inside the dragon in front of you while you have 99% hp and mana.

That censored screenshot (and my power being out) has inspired me to go over the encounter log again.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Emumu aggros Nagafen in lair at 20:05:34.

50 seconds pass before anybody other than a bard get added to hate list.

4 pets get put on Nagafen. Three die immediately, but likely due to melee damage as they die 1-2 seconds apart. Lilpis FDs.

First cleric (Nerfed) on hate list at 20:06:36.

Hughman added to hate list at 20:07:52, 2 minutes 18 seconds after initial aggro.

Most of the raid force engages around 20:08:10. Every single non-charmed pet with an owner that doesn't die that gets put on Nagafen at this time lives through the entire fight except Lilpis's second pet. Meaning zero (with one possible exception) pets died to AoEs after this time, which is a full 10 minutes before Nagafen's death, including a level 28 wolf pet from a level 40 shaman. (level 39 shaman pets have 900 hitpoints) At this point in time, Nagafen is still likely near full health, as the only possible sources of significant damage were from a 50 SK, a 45 bard, and one mage pet that did less than 765 damage.

Silver's pet dies at 20:08:45. This was the only pet to survive of the first four pets that engaged early during the pull. It did 765 damage.

Hughman dies at 20:08:50. Jibekn dies (or otherwise zones) 8 seconds later. Trotiste's pet either dies or breaks charm 11 seconds after Jibekn dies. Trotiste dies 6 seconds after his pet disengages Nagafen.

Second cleric (Fallen) on hate list at 20:09:03; two and a half minutes after Nerfed.

At 20:10:15, Lilpis's pet dies. From that point on, no entity is removed from Nagafen's hate list. Nagafen dies a full 8 minutes later.

Lovely added to hate list at 20:10:33-- 5 minutes after Emumu aggros Nagafen. He does all of 1589 damage the entire fight.

The last four players added to the hate list are 3 clerics and a resurrected Hughman. Face at 20:11:35, Milkshake at 20:13:40, and Reika one minute before Nagafen dies at 20:17:10.

Nagafen dies at 20:18:09. Three people die/gate: Hughman, Jibekn, and Troriste. They die early in the fight, and likely from dragon melee and a charm break.

The raid included a 32 warrior, a 36 warrior, and a 34 rogue-- who did not have a bard, were engaged for 8-10 minutes, and didn't die. Silver uses a water pet instead of a fire immune pet. The only bard chooses to melee instead of use a drum. Half the raid is below level 45.

The only entities to do more than 2k damage:

Gurrilla's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1007] 598 Length 6129 Damage
Jibekn's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1041] 466 Length 6124 Damage
Silver's Pet (SumWaterR12) (609)[1040] 492 Length 6104 Damage
Emumu (536)[1019] 755 Length 5162 Damage
Nacho's Pet (SpiritWolf234) (548)[1043] 431 Length 3323 Damage
Xzeal (2022)[1016] 511 Length 3180 Damage
Skelly (2623)[1004] 720 Length 3078 Damage
Troriste's Pet (sonic_bat) (32016)[960] 64 Length 2435 Damage
Hughman (115)[1045] 271 Length 2250 Damage

Most interesting is the hate done by every healer on that raid:

Troriste 50 Druid 0 Damage 3385 Hate
Bacon 40 Shaman 946 Damage 2127 Hate
Nacho 50 Shaman 0 Damage 1838 Hate
Nerfed 50 Cleric 0 Damage 1682 Hate
Face 33 Cleric 0 Damage 349 Hate
Fallen 50 Cleric 0 Damage 332 Hate
Ganka 45 Druid 0 Damage 199 Hate
Reika 50 Cleric 52 Damage 204 Hate
Milkshake 44 Cleric 0 Damage 49 Hate

As you can see, most healers have very little hate. Bacon was clearly nuking, (or meleeing) not healing. Troriste was only in the fight for 70 seconds and engaged with most of the raid at 20:07:55. He also had a charmed pet, which means he wasn't going to blow all his mana healing, if any at all. 3385 hate in 70 seconds indicates he was nuking and getting resisted, as heals do not generate anywhere near that much hate, and the only ice nuke druids have also has a fire debuff component, which means it is probably an all-or-nothing spell.

That leaves two healers with any significant amounts of healing done: Nerfed and Nacho. Nacho had enough mana to spare to summon a pet mid-battle. Amusingly Reika apparently found the time to melee Nagafen. Quite clearly there was NO CH ROT going on-- not even on the main tank.

For reference, on a more recent Nag kill with a similar fight duration, clerics all had a uniform 4k+ hate.

Everything indicates the dragon was not AoEing, including Lovely's screenshot. Notice everyone is spread out instead of minimizing the distance required to duck behind a corner to avoid AoEs. Lovely is nowhere near a corner, goofing off by meleeing Nagafen with full health. 'Accidental' or not, Nagafen clearly bugged out very early in the fight. Hell, Nagafen probably wasn't even meleeing some of the time with that lack of healing. Can one cleric and one shaman (who summons a pet mid-fight) keep a SK up for 10+ minutes against Nagafen's melee?

The difference between Holocaust and Nihilum is that Holocaust exploited after two months of GM inaction, after Nihilum had been getting away with so much for so long, with screenshots and logs showing their crimes. Holocaust admits wrong doing while Nihilum still lies, blacks out screenshots, and refuses to submit logs. Nihilum played the GMs for suckers by harassing them to monitor Holocaust's raids to eliminate the competition they fail to kill in PvP when they themselves were guilty of the same crime.


idk who the hell torven is but this post is straight up on point l0l. fukin analyzed the shit out of this

[Nirgon]

Holocaust are the bad guys

Nihilum are the saints

Thats how it's gonna be by the garbage judgements by Rogean

Took a week, but i'm over it.

Whoa now.

As someone who will take what he can get? Rogean gave our side quite a bit looking into the whole Vox ordeal. The community even got a fun little meme out of it. I'd be up shit's creek for the Vox kill info without the Emperor's investigation.

As far as decision wise... if what Rogean says has happened? He's delivered in my book.

Hopefully, and probably, if someone gets caught again they get the chopping block.

[heartbrand]

Holocaust are the bad guys

Nihilum are the saints

Thats how it's gonna be by the garbage judgements by Rogean

Took a week, but i'm over it.

[Vile]

WTB PL FUKK

[xate]

Everything indicates the dragon was not AoEing, including Lovely's screenshot. Notice everyone is spread out instead of minimizing the distance required to duck behind a corner to avoid AoEs. Lovely is nowhere near a corner, goofing off by meleeing Nagafen with full health. 'Accidental' or not, Nagafen clearly bugged out very early in the fight. Hell, Nagafen probably wasn't even meleeing some of the time with that lack of healing. Can one cleric and one shaman (who summons a pet mid-fight) keep a SK up for 10+ minutes against Nagafen's melee?

The difference between Holocaust and Nihilum is that Holocaust exploited after two months of GM inaction, after Nihilum had been getting away with so much for so long, with screenshots and logs showing their crimes. Holocaust admits wrong doing while Nihilum still lies, blacks out screenshots, and refuses to submit logs. Nihilum played the GMs for suckers by harassing them to monitor Holocaust's raids to eliminate the competition they fail to kill in PvP when they themselves were guilty of the same crime.

this reminds me of the scene in CSI miami where the bad guy is being interogated at the police station, and the cops are just toying with the guy cause they already know exactly what happened from examining evidence, but he's such a little rat that he squirms and tries to lie and manipulate anyway, while the CSI team have this absurdly arrogant look on their faces as they try not to be too insulted by being called a liar by a criminal.

CLEAN UP YOUR DNA'S NEXT TIME BROS

[xate]

Hey Biggie, have you examined the evidence on why lovely's UI looks so different in this screenshot? With the chat windows edited to block everything out. That's not typical from the big player dawg.

I heard a rumour that DNA evidence was found linking lovely/troriste's boxing, you said troriste's bat pet died or whatever, then troriste died way into the fight, then FINALLY lovely engages for 1500 dmg?? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[pojab]

holy fuck torven is like if goddamn sherlock holmes had a lovechild with stephen hawking.

FUCKING SCIENCE BROS.

[xate]

BUT IT WAS MORE LUCK THAN EXPLOIT HE JUST BUGGED OUT AT THE END OF THE FIGHT AFTER WE DID ALL THE WORK BROS



oh wait kibantik and jonn are clearly meleeing him wide out in the open at 72% hp and the log says they lived the entire fight :(

[Knuckle]

Whoa now.

As someone who will take what he can get? Rogean gave our side quite a bit looking into the whole Vox ordeal. The community even got a fun little meme out of it. I'd be up shit's creek for the Vox kill info without the Emperor's investigation.

As far as decision wise... if what Rogean says has happened? He's delivered in my book.

Hopefully, and probably, if someone gets caught again they get the chopping block.

just cuz ur pooper got rammed doesnt mean we want teh reach around guy

[Nirgon]

I'm accepting the reach around

[Albane]

Wizard tank huh. Then why is Emumu inside the dragon in front of you while you have 99% hp and mana.

That censored screenshot (and my power being out) has inspired me to go over the encounter log again.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Emumu aggros Nagafen in lair at 20:05:34.

50 seconds pass before anybody other than a bard get added to hate list.

4 pets get put on Nagafen. Three die immediately, but likely due to melee damage as they die 1-2 seconds apart. Lilpis FDs.

First cleric (Nerfed) on hate list at 20:06:36.

Hughman added to hate list at 20:07:52, 2 minutes 18 seconds after initial aggro.

Most of the raid force engages around 20:08:10. Every single non-charmed pet with an owner that doesn't die that gets put on Nagafen at this time lives through the entire fight except Lilpis's second pet. Meaning zero (with one possible exception) pets died to AoEs after this time, which is a full 10 minutes before Nagafen's death, including a level 28 wolf pet from a level 40 shaman. (level 39 shaman pets have 900 hitpoints) At this point in time, Nagafen is still likely near full health, as the only possible sources of significant damage were from a 50 SK, a 45 bard, and one mage pet that did less than 765 damage.

Silver's pet dies at 20:08:45. This was the only pet to survive of the first four pets that engaged early during the pull. It did 765 damage.

Hughman dies at 20:08:50. Jibekn dies (or otherwise zones) 8 seconds later. Trotiste's pet either dies or breaks charm 11 seconds after Jibekn dies. Trotiste dies 6 seconds after his pet disengages Nagafen.

Second cleric (Fallen) on hate list at 20:09:03; two and a half minutes after Nerfed.

At 20:10:15, Lilpis's pet dies. From that point on, no entity is removed from Nagafen's hate list. Nagafen dies a full 8 minutes later.

Lovely added to hate list at 20:10:33-- 5 minutes after Emumu aggros Nagafen. He does all of 1589 damage the entire fight.

The last four players added to the hate list are 3 clerics and a resurrected Hughman. Face at 20:11:35, Milkshake at 20:13:40, and Reika one minute before Nagafen dies at 20:17:10.

Nagafen dies at 20:18:09. Three people die/gate: Hughman, Jibekn, and Troriste. They die early in the fight, and likely from dragon melee and a charm break.

The raid included a 32 warrior, a 36 warrior, and a 34 rogue-- who did not have a bard, were engaged for 8-10 minutes, and didn't die. Silver uses a water pet instead of a fire immune pet. The only bard chooses to melee instead of use a drum. Half the raid is below level 45.

The only entities to do more than 2k damage:

Gurrilla's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1007] 598 Length 6129 Damage
Jibekn's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1041] 466 Length 6124 Damage
Silver's Pet (SumWaterR12) (609)[1040] 492 Length 6104 Damage
Emumu (536)[1019] 755 Length 5162 Damage
Nacho's Pet (SpiritWolf234) (548)[1043] 431 Length 3323 Damage
Xzeal (2022)[1016] 511 Length 3180 Damage
Skelly (2623)[1004] 720 Length 3078 Damage
Troriste's Pet (sonic_bat) (32016)[960] 64 Length 2435 Damage
Hughman (115)[1045] 271 Length 2250 Damage

Most interesting is the hate done by every healer on that raid:

Troriste 50 Druid 0 Damage 3385 Hate
Bacon 40 Shaman 946 Damage 2127 Hate
Nacho 50 Shaman 0 Damage 1838 Hate
Nerfed 50 Cleric 0 Damage 1682 Hate
Face 33 Cleric 0 Damage 349 Hate
Fallen 50 Cleric 0 Damage 332 Hate
Ganka 45 Druid 0 Damage 199 Hate
Reika 50 Cleric 52 Damage 204 Hate
Milkshake 44 Cleric 0 Damage 49 Hate

As you can see, most healers have very little hate. Bacon was clearly nuking, (or meleeing) not healing. Troriste was only in the fight for 70 seconds and engaged with most of the raid at 20:07:55. He also had a charmed pet, which means he wasn't going to blow all his mana healing, if any at all. 3385 hate in 70 seconds indicates he was nuking and getting resisted, as heals do not generate anywhere near that much hate, and the only ice nuke druids have also has a fire debuff component, which means it is probably an all-or-nothing spell.

That leaves two healers with any significant amounts of healing done: Nerfed and Nacho. Nacho had enough mana to spare to summon a pet mid-battle. Amusingly Reika apparently found the time to melee Nagafen. Quite clearly there was NO CH ROT going on-- not even on the main tank.

For reference, on a more recent Nag kill with a similar fight duration, clerics all had a uniform 4k+ hate.

Everything indicates the dragon was not AoEing, including Lovely's screenshot. Notice everyone is spread out instead of minimizing the distance required to duck behind a corner to avoid AoEs. Lovely is nowhere near a corner, goofing off by meleeing Nagafen with full health. 'Accidental' or not, Nagafen clearly bugged out very early in the fight. Hell, Nagafen probably wasn't even meleeing some of the time with that lack of healing. Can one cleric and one shaman (who summons a pet mid-fight) keep a SK up for 10+ minutes against Nagafen's melee?

The difference between Holocaust and Nihilum is that Holocaust exploited after two months of GM inaction, after Nihilum had been getting away with so much for so long, with screenshots and logs showing their crimes. Holocaust admits wrong doing while Nihilum still lies, blacks out screenshots, and refuses to submit logs. Nihilum played the GMs for suckers by harassing them to monitor Holocaust's raids to eliminate the competition they fail to kill in PvP when they themselves were guilty of the same crime.

This should be quoted at least every 10 posts. Great work on breaking down the obvious exploitation. Curious though; why did the tank require so little healing against Nagafen's melee?

[fiegi]

All that evidence gets put to what use tho?

http://www.penick.net/digging/images/2009_01_27%20Bottle%20tree/Digging%20a%20hole.JPG

[Sickpuppy]

A server full of snitches how about all you cry baby fags worry about your self instead of worrying about everyone else's business Just Becouse you' got caught doesn't mean you have to QQ and snitch on everyone else

[El Culo]

its not snitchin its trolling

[Vile]

Wizard tank huh. Then why is Emumu inside the dragon in front of you while you have 99% hp and mana.

That censored screenshot (and my power being out) has inspired me to go over the encounter log again.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Emumu aggros Nagafen in lair at 20:05:34.

50 seconds pass before anybody other than a bard get added to hate list.

4 pets get put on Nagafen. Three die immediately, but likely due to melee damage as they die 1-2 seconds apart. Lilpis FDs.

First cleric (Nerfed) on hate list at 20:06:36.

Hughman added to hate list at 20:07:52, 2 minutes 18 seconds after initial aggro.

Most of the raid force engages around 20:08:10. Every single non-charmed pet with an owner that doesn't die that gets put on Nagafen at this time lives through the entire fight except Lilpis's second pet. Meaning zero (with one possible exception) pets died to AoEs after this time, which is a full 10 minutes before Nagafen's death, including a level 28 wolf pet from a level 40 shaman. (level 39 shaman pets have 900 hitpoints) At this point in time, Nagafen is still likely near full health, as the only possible sources of significant damage were from a 50 SK, a 45 bard, and one mage pet that did less than 765 damage.

Silver's pet dies at 20:08:45. This was the only pet to survive of the first four pets that engaged early during the pull. It did 765 damage.

Hughman dies at 20:08:50. Jibekn dies (or otherwise zones) 8 seconds later. Trotiste's pet either dies or breaks charm 11 seconds after Jibekn dies. Trotiste dies 6 seconds after his pet disengages Nagafen.

Second cleric (Fallen) on hate list at 20:09:03; two and a half minutes after Nerfed.

At 20:10:15, Lilpis's pet dies. From that point on, no entity is removed from Nagafen's hate list. Nagafen dies a full 8 minutes later.

Lovely added to hate list at 20:10:33-- 5 minutes after Emumu aggros Nagafen. He does all of 1589 damage the entire fight.

The last four players added to the hate list are 3 clerics and a resurrected Hughman. Face at 20:11:35, Milkshake at 20:13:40, and Reika one minute before Nagafen dies at 20:17:10.

Nagafen dies at 20:18:09. Three people die/gate: Hughman, Jibekn, and Troriste. They die early in the fight, and likely from dragon melee and a charm break.

The raid included a 32 warrior, a 36 warrior, and a 34 rogue-- who did not have a bard, were engaged for 8-10 minutes, and didn't die. Silver uses a water pet instead of a fire immune pet. The only bard chooses to melee instead of use a drum. Half the raid is below level 45.

The only entities to do more than 2k damage:

Gurrilla's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1007] 598 Length 6129 Damage
Jibekn's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1041] 466 Length 6124 Damage
Silver's Pet (SumWaterR12) (609)[1040] 492 Length 6104 Damage
Emumu (536)[1019] 755 Length 5162 Damage
Nacho's Pet (SpiritWolf234) (548)[1043] 431 Length 3323 Damage
Xzeal (2022)[1016] 511 Length 3180 Damage
Skelly (2623)[1004] 720 Length 3078 Damage
Troriste's Pet (sonic_bat) (32016)[960] 64 Length 2435 Damage
Hughman (115)[1045] 271 Length 2250 Damage

Most interesting is the hate done by every healer on that raid:

Troriste 50 Druid 0 Damage 3385 Hate
Bacon 40 Shaman 946 Damage 2127 Hate
Nacho 50 Shaman 0 Damage 1838 Hate
Nerfed 50 Cleric 0 Damage 1682 Hate
Face 33 Cleric 0 Damage 349 Hate
Fallen 50 Cleric 0 Damage 332 Hate
Ganka 45 Druid 0 Damage 199 Hate
Reika 50 Cleric 52 Damage 204 Hate
Milkshake 44 Cleric 0 Damage 49 Hate

As you can see, most healers have very little hate. Bacon was clearly nuking, (or meleeing) not healing. Troriste was only in the fight for 70 seconds and engaged with most of the raid at 20:07:55. He also had a charmed pet, which means he wasn't going to blow all his mana healing, if any at all. 3385 hate in 70 seconds indicates he was nuking and getting resisted, as heals do not generate anywhere near that much hate, and the only ice nuke druids have also has a fire debuff component, which means it is probably an all-or-nothing spell.

That leaves two healers with any significant amounts of healing done: Nerfed and Nacho. Nacho had enough mana to spare to summon a pet mid-battle. Amusingly Reika apparently found the time to melee Nagafen. Quite clearly there was NO CH ROT going on-- not even on the main tank.

For reference, on a more recent Nag kill with a similar fight duration, clerics all had a uniform 4k+ hate.

Everything indicates the dragon was not AoEing, including Lovely's screenshot. Notice everyone is spread out instead of minimizing the distance required to duck behind a corner to avoid AoEs. Lovely is nowhere near a corner, goofing off by meleeing Nagafen with full health. 'Accidental' or not, Nagafen clearly bugged out very early in the fight. Hell, Nagafen probably wasn't even meleeing some of the time with that lack of healing. Can one cleric and one shaman (who summons a pet mid-fight) keep a SK up for 10+ minutes against Nagafen's melee?

The difference between Holocaust and Nihilum is that Holocaust exploited after two months of GM inaction, after Nihilum had been getting away with so much for so long, with screenshots and logs showing their crimes. Holocaust admits wrong doing while Nihilum still lies, blacks out screenshots, and refuses to submit logs. Nihilum played the GMs for suckers by harassing them to monitor Holocaust's raids to eliminate the competition they fail to kill in PvP when they themselves were guilty of the same crime.
LIKE

[El Culo]

dis a new page??:confused:
Wizard tank huh. Then why is Emumu inside the dragon in front of you while you have 99% hp and mana.

That censored screenshot (and my power being out) has inspired me to go over the encounter log again.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Emumu aggros Nagafen in lair at 20:05:34.

50 seconds pass before anybody other than a bard get added to hate list.

4 pets get put on Nagafen. Three die immediately, but likely due to melee damage as they die 1-2 seconds apart. Lilpis FDs.

First cleric (Nerfed) on hate list at 20:06:36.

Hughman added to hate list at 20:07:52, 2 minutes 18 seconds after initial aggro.

Most of the raid force engages around 20:08:10. Every single non-charmed pet with an owner that doesn't die that gets put on Nagafen at this time lives through the entire fight except Lilpis's second pet. Meaning zero (with one possible exception) pets died to AoEs after this time, which is a full 10 minutes before Nagafen's death, including a level 28 wolf pet from a level 40 shaman. (level 39 shaman pets have 900 hitpoints) At this point in time, Nagafen is still likely near full health, as the only possible sources of significant damage were from a 50 SK, a 45 bard, and one mage pet that did less than 765 damage.

Silver's pet dies at 20:08:45. This was the only pet to survive of the first four pets that engaged early during the pull. It did 765 damage.

Hughman dies at 20:08:50. Jibekn dies (or otherwise zones) 8 seconds later. Trotiste's pet either dies or breaks charm 11 seconds after Jibekn dies. Trotiste dies 6 seconds after his pet disengages Nagafen.

Second cleric (Fallen) on hate list at 20:09:03; two and a half minutes after Nerfed.

At 20:10:15, Lilpis's pet dies. From that point on, no entity is removed from Nagafen's hate list. Nagafen dies a full 8 minutes later.

Lovely added to hate list at 20:10:33-- 5 minutes after Emumu aggros Nagafen. He does all of 1589 damage the entire fight.

The last four players added to the hate list are 3 clerics and a resurrected Hughman. Face at 20:11:35, Milkshake at 20:13:40, and Reika one minute before Nagafen dies at 20:17:10.

Nagafen dies at 20:18:09. Three people die/gate: Hughman, Jibekn, and Troriste. They die early in the fight, and likely from dragon melee and a charm break.

The raid included a 32 warrior, a 36 warrior, and a 34 rogue-- who did not have a bard, were engaged for 8-10 minutes, and didn't die. Silver uses a water pet instead of a fire immune pet. The only bard chooses to melee instead of use a drum. Half the raid is below level 45.

The only entities to do more than 2k damage:

Gurrilla's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1007] 598 Length 6129 Damage
Jibekn's Pet (SumFireR11) (591)[1041] 466 Length 6124 Damage
Silver's Pet (SumWaterR12) (609)[1040] 492 Length 6104 Damage
Emumu (536)[1019] 755 Length 5162 Damage
Nacho's Pet (SpiritWolf234) (548)[1043] 431 Length 3323 Damage
Xzeal (2022)[1016] 511 Length 3180 Damage
Skelly (2623)[1004] 720 Length 3078 Damage
Troriste's Pet (sonic_bat) (32016)[960] 64 Length 2435 Damage
Hughman (115)[1045] 271 Length 2250 Damage

Most interesting is the hate done by every healer on that raid:

Troriste 50 Druid 0 Damage 3385 Hate
Bacon 40 Shaman 946 Damage 2127 Hate
Nacho 50 Shaman 0 Damage 1838 Hate
Nerfed 50 Cleric 0 Damage 1682 Hate
Face 33 Cleric 0 Damage 349 Hate
Fallen 50 Cleric 0 Damage 332 Hate
Ganka 45 Druid 0 Damage 199 Hate
Reika 50 Cleric 52 Damage 204 Hate
Milkshake 44 Cleric 0 Damage 49 Hate

As you can see, most healers have very little hate. Bacon was clearly nuking, (or meleeing) not healing. Troriste was only in the fight for 70 seconds and engaged with most of the raid at 20:07:55. He also had a charmed pet, which means he wasn't going to blow all his mana healing, if any at all. 3385 hate in 70 seconds indicates he was nuking and getting resisted, as heals do not generate anywhere near that much hate, and the only ice nuke druids have also has a fire debuff component, which means it is probably an all-or-nothing spell.

That leaves two healers with any significant amounts of healing done: Nerfed and Nacho. Nacho had enough mana to spare to summon a pet mid-battle. Amusingly Reika apparently found the time to melee Nagafen. Quite clearly there was NO CH ROT going on-- not even on the main tank.

For reference, on a more recent Nag kill with a similar fight duration, clerics all had a uniform 4k+ hate.

Everything indicates the dragon was not AoEing, including Lovely's screenshot. Notice everyone is spread out instead of minimizing the distance required to duck behind a corner to avoid AoEs. Lovely is nowhere near a corner, goofing off by meleeing Nagafen with full health. 'Accidental' or not, Nagafen clearly bugged out very early in the fight. Hell, Nagafen probably wasn't even meleeing some of the time with that lack of healing. Can one cleric and one shaman (who summons a pet mid-fight) keep a SK up for 10+ minutes against Nagafen's melee?

The difference between Holocaust and Nihilum is that Holocaust exploited after two months of GM inaction, after Nihilum had been getting away with so much for so long, with screenshots and logs showing their crimes. Holocaust admits wrong doing while Nihilum still lies, blacks out screenshots, and refuses to submit logs. Nihilum played the GMs for suckers by harassing them to monitor Holocaust's raids to eliminate the competition they fail to kill in PvP when they themselves were guilty of the same crime.

[Nirgon]

A server full of snitches how about all you cry baby fags worry about your self instead of worrying about everyone else's business Just Becouse you' got caught doesn't mean you have to QQ and snitch on everyone else

Oh we're worried about ourselves alright. Getting put in the penalty box while another guild gets off scott free for the shame shit is entirely our business.

Matter's resolved though as far as I can tell.

We're worried about who trained what, what is logged and what people can be held accountable for when all kinds of shit like this goes down.

Again, entirely our business.

[Harrison]

Still mad lol

Cheating shitbags think anything is owed to them...is hilarious.

[Slathar]

Still mad lol

Cheating shitbags think anything is owed to them...is hilarious.

fat

[Harrison]

Slobthar

[Vile]

love harrison on ignore... LOVE IT

[Harrison]

^owned, hard...

[Filthed]

Oh we're worried about ourselves alright. Getting put in the penalty box while another guild gets off scott free for the shame shit is entirely our business.

Matter's resolved though as far as I can tell.

We're worried about who trained what, what is logged and what people can be held accountable for when all kinds of shit like this goes down.

Again, entirely our business.

get over it , just a fuckin computer game, stop postin about nihilum ,,, walk away from the keyboard srsly bud. ive become good friends with avon/bundy and we gettin kinda worried dog,,,

[solid]

love harrison on ignore... LOVE IT

http://i.imgur.com/aegpR.gif

[Mardur]

Bro if I hadn't meleed Nagafen for that 52 damage we would have surely wiped. Show some respect for the clutch battlecleric.

[Mardur]

This should be quoted at least every 10 posts. Great work on breaking down the obvious exploitation. Curious though; why did the tank require so little healing against Nagafen's melee?

Because Nagafen does zero dps in that spot. Just sits there.

[Jadian]

Hilarious amount of butthurt in this post. A ++

[aerokella]

regardless of who exploited or who didnt exploit, who got punished or who didnt get punished...

Stop the QQ bitches. If you cant beat em join em..

that being said.........

rogean does not give two fucks. :) <3

[Woosa]

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