Mez in PvP

[AffEcT]

I know for a fact that Mez spells aren't effected by your charisma in PvP on the server.
And i think it did on live. Charisma should effect the resist rate in PvP just like PvE.
Running around with charisma gear but it don't mean shit when in PvP.
Mez is very easy to counter on this server anyway.

[Mrcurtloco]

I know for a fact that Mez spells aren't effected by your charisma in PvP on the server.
And i think it did on live. Charisma should effect the resist rate in PvP just like PvE.
Running around with charisma gear but it don't mean shit when in PvP.
Mez is very easy to counter on this server anyway.

crimpot self dot or slap a friend, I don't see why mez shouldn't work off cha given all the ways to break it

[Lazortag]

Mez duration and resist rates were never affected by charisma, either in PvE or PvP. Charisma only affects lulls and charms.

[Zallar]

Mez duration and resist rates were never affected by charisma

This is the truth. Charisma never had any checks for PvP Mez, only Magic Resist.

[Mrcurtloco]

really?

[Zallar]

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[AffEcT]

Okey? I call bullshit.
If you go into char select and start creating a toon and press on charisma.

Charisma affects how much merchants will charge you for their wares. It also affects the chance of charm, memory blur, mesmerization, and divine intervention spells effect to work.

[Haul]

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omg lol i love it

[Zallar]

You're quoting the character startup screen help text?

C'mon now. The enchanter community on live did tons of log parses with High/Low Cha gear. It has no effect on Mez resists. At one point there was a dev confirmation that Cha and MR are both checked every Charm tick for breaks but that's it.

[Dullah]

Mes was hardly an issue in eqlive pvp anyway if you didn't have suckall MR.

[Lazortag]

Okey? I call bullshit.
If you go into char select and start creating a toon and press on charisma.

Charisma affects how much merchants will charge you for their wares. It also affects the chance of charm, memory blur, mesmerization, and divine intervention spells effect to work.

That information is from beyond the classic era. It also says that intelligence affects whether Bards miss notes, something which is only affected by dexterity and charisma in classic.

[AffEcT]

Charisma affects lull, mez, and charm resists. Since the bard is one of only two classes that can mesmerize in Norrath, the other being the Enchanter, this is a decent location to allocate creation points. (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Bard)

This is what it says on the wiki.
Can any GM verify this?

[Steaks]

pretty sure cha is mez resist rate not mr in pve

pvp? no comment

[Palemoon]

Mezz already lands far too much with good MR in pvp. Classic pvp = enchanters are dispell bots, or maybe later one shot rapture interupt bots.

[Nirgon]

You may all be pleased to know that I'm going to be getting down in the dirt for real with researching resists.

I'll save trolling and input for after I've compiled my research. I'll save my responses from there for people I know to be credible in the department and may take things privately from there.

What I'll tell you right now is this, and the shit can just hit the fan now... it is going to advocate changes that will hurt casters. I'm a caster and one who isn't afraid to play classic EQ pvp. I hope you take the latter part of that last sentiment and consider in your future responses on the issue.

[biscuits2455]

Just wait for rapture. And iksars.

[Nirgon]

Rapture has a bitch of a CD compared to the other mezzes and a rather high mana cost as well.

It's still pretty nasty.

As far as iksars we already have ogre warriors/shamans/SKs

The monks, from a caster stand point, are going to be dangerous more as a result from Kunark gear than just being an Iksar. I believe humans can reach a higher base starting STR than Iksar, too lazy to look.

[Steaks]

kunark opens a world of hurt for casters vs melee

with all the extra resist stuff , MUCH more haste and better weapons?

oh and btw disciplines? oh hi warrior can kill anyone in less then 5 seconds

[Nirgon]

Uh hi to lure of ice, epics mage pets, ridiculous cleric heals that completely change pvp etc too..

Don't wanna drop too many spoilers in this~

[Steaks]

hi lure of ice huge cast time with no channeling aa
oh hi mages have nothing to evade pvp and die in 3 seconds

not to mention mage epic is diffuclt for a reason , i did it on live where spawns / drops are actually rare , im sure on emu its a joke like everything else rare but still

only dedicated mages will ever summon that primary

[Nirgon]

Lure of Ice is 4.5 seconds and channeling is through the roof (I'll be testing all kinds of shit on that sooner than later hopefully too).

Show me where a melee is going to shut me down in that department as things currently stand. Without a golem wand or assist? He isn't going to get to any of the juicy buffs or my skin. I win the numbers game, and currently, will channel my shit everytime.

Would be happy to demonstrate with a melee as it stands currently and another 4.5 second spell I might have. Bet you I get every single one off, maybe a bash aside (pray to god it doesn't miss) :).

[Steaks]

currently channeling is nothing like it was on live i hate to tell you '

i played a wiz at 12 for several years , then leveled him to 20 to pk then again for several years

kept him at 24 to pk in paludal again for several years

and he ended up being a late main which ended up at 90 with 2k AA

i actually had 2 wizards a max and a lowbie one to pvp with

on classic / old eq a caster could not channel well through players hitting them , and haste + procs = shut down , your only hope is being levved which will be annulled by pumices quite fast

you will most likely get 1 lure off which should max 30-40% any person

unless you are nuking them when they are fighting a mob , you get your kunark wake up call very fast

yea sometimes youll win , but you are acting high and mighty when you are shit and have no pvp experience

and dont think anything that happens on red99 is pvp experience , nothing is as it was trust me

[compulsion]

Even through Luclin when resists were on every piece of gear, casters more than held their own in PvP. It just becomes more complicated than repeatedly hitting a key and waiting for it to channel.

Nirgon, out of curiosity, where are you pulling information from? Lucid Vision had the only semi useful screenshots I could find. None of the big guilds from SZ have any content still around. As much as I have looked, I can't find anything definitive as much as the information indicates that the resist thresholds from live were much lower than they are here.

[Steaks]

lucid = rallos and they paved the way for the curse , good peoples all of em

[Crazycloud]

Back in classic you could camp out of mez