Nondisclosure of account status

[Uthgaard]

Disciplinary actions aren't discussed in public or with anyone but the owner of the accounts. This is the policy of the server, and has been since Blue existed. I've been through this before with the red population, we do not bend our policies to cater to trolls inciting drama based on inconclusive information.

Not sure what you call this, if not discussing disciplinary actions in public with everyone but the owners of the accounts, and bending your policies to incite drama. Officers names and guild affiliation were not secret or closely guarded information.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/14v36km.jpg

Deleting this thread just shows that you know you're in the wrong. And you can't delete it from every offsite forum, so you should probably address this before you drive off more players than you already have with this decision.

[Amuk]

Pls stop =) I appreciate the support Uth but I'll msg Rogean privately. Once again, I appreciate the support but it just seems to be bitterness.

[Uthgaard]

It's not bitterness, it's a fair question about hypocrisy. And it's not just you, there are a lot more people than you realize trying to get answers to these questions, you just can't see the threads because they're all vanishing.

[Pokeman]

wot an awful thread

[ZEROSUM]

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-14-Jimmy-Fallon.gif

[Steaks]

give it a rest guys

[Uthtaard]

Why is the original poster still not banned on here? It was made clear months ago that he isn't welcome and now he's just become a hopelessly bitter troll.

[Amuk]

I enjoy the fact that the word troll gets thrown around at every opportunity. Someones trying to talk to a gm in a public forum - trolling. Someone says something completely retarded and regrets it - trolling. Someone is being sarcastic - trolling. It's hilarious, even if Uthgaard is being a dick it's hardly trolling criticizing something.

[Pudge]

instead of calling him a hypocrite, why dont you accept that he agrees with you that sometimes disclosure is appropriate?

[Snufz]

Just so everyone is clear.

The cheating exploiting disgusting scum guild known as "Holocausts" has no affiliation to the Clean Whistles of team Holocaust.

[fiegi]

instead of calling him a hypocrite, why dont you accept that he agrees with you that sometimes disclosure is appropriate?

ummmmmm....... did you accidentally delete something from your post before hitting submit reply?

[Mardur]

I enjoy the fact that the word troll gets thrown around at every opportunity. Someones trying to talk to a gm in a public forum - trolling. Someone says something completely retarded and regrets it - trolling. Someone is being sarcastic - trolling. It's hilarious, even if Uthgaard is being a dick it's hardly trolling criticizing something.

It's because you along with Holocaust have been proven wrong in every thread but you keep twisting information to push your own agenda.

Troll.

[Butthead]

yea u guys jus look likea buncha lil pussys crying n complaining.
i thought it was 'star wars time'

wata joke

[Tombom]

uthgaard and vile should fusion dance for ultimate eq pvp experience.

[Lazortag]

Just so everyone is clear.

The cheating exploiting disgusting scum guild known as "Holocausts" has no affiliation to the Clean Whistles of team Holocaust.

Ha! I lol'd.

[Chett]

Not sure what you call this, if not discussing disciplinary actions in public with everyone but the owners of the accounts, and bending your policies to incite drama. Officers names and guild affiliation were not secret or closely guarded information.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/14v36km.jpg

Deleting this thread just shows that you know you're in the wrong. And you can't delete it from every offsite forum, so you should probably address this before you drive off more players than you already have with this decision.

Exact, this made me quit. Serious. What a stupid move to Broadcast it...

[Mardur]

Please make sure your leaking vagina doesn't mess up the carpeting on your way out.

[fiegi]

well at the very least the 800 pound guerilla in the room was addressed.

[Chett]

U already ruined the Carpet with ur QQing bout almost anything in the past 6 Weeks, Mardum. Stfu, Idiot.

[purest]

so whats the dilly dally on the best buy discounts is it true rogean's integrity can be bought for 10% off a "ernest scared stupid" DVD?

[Tombom]

rieka stained the carpet when he/she spit out lovleys fat load, gotta swallow that shit if you want the lewts

[Humerox]

You're carrying things a bit far, Uthgaard. I understand some of the bitterness, but you're not helping anything with what you've been doing recently.

It's like you've joined the Cast bandwagon and want to watch the project go down in flames. What will that accomplish?

In the end, this is Nilbog and Rogean's baby. Do you have the source code and are hoping that the negativity crew will push people to a new server in the future? The neanderthals would happily migrate in that scenario, but the majority wouldn't.

There's a balance to be drawn between freedom of expression and unfettered trolling.

Fair isn't the issue in-game or on the forums. Nilbog and Rogean decide what's fair, and anyone who logs in should understand that. If not, they need to be doing something else.

As far as bugs, exploits, and any other issues go the population has/had no one to blame but themsleves. Countless "Screw beta I wanna play" and "I'll wait till the beta is over" threads flooded the forum. And half of the 25 or so that were left in beta in the end were just trying to find what they could exploit.

:mad:

[fiegi]

rieka stained the carpet when he/she spit out lovleys fat load, gotta swallow that shit if you want the lewts

Gotta admit

I gotta stop looking at his avatar before viewing Reikas posts

Those fucked up druggy teeth make it hard to focus on his points

[Tombom]

WILL SUCK DICK FO CRACK/PL

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zic1o8.jpg

[visage]

Lol Holo banned... Well there went 35% of the population... Hey remember that time on the blue server when they caught a bunch of cheaters... They got deleved to 51 and a slap on the wrist... How many players was that again? =) Oh wait , but we were worried about blue's population..... Look at reds........ Big fuckin difference... Give Holo a slap on the wrist and let them return. If your gonna make special get out of jail free cards for other scum , you might as well do it to the rest. Let alone if you wanna announce the banning in the public eye , yet not release the cheaters names on blue??? You can make this entirely public and let the server vote if we want Holo members to come back. Banning them is stupid. Publicly is even more degrading to the cause. Please reconsider the measures. Or close red99 and fix the exploits and rerelease it properly. It amazes me how much more cheaters there were on blue who got off scott free. Very concerned....

[Nizzarr]

Publicly banning holocaust was the best move anyone could make. Hopefully they go troll star wars or wow emu -- follow in knuckles path guys, we dont want you here!

Thank you bugged Nagafen and Amelinda~ Well done guise!

[Uthgaard]

It's an issue of consistency. Showboating a bunch of bans, and in the same breath claiming staunch adherence to a rule against discussing bans is inconsistent at best. Raising discussions about valid issues is healthy, and I'm amused that one person who is so in favor of free speech on the internet is trying to pretend that doing so doesn't help anything and even goes so far as to advocate arbitrary redefinitions of fairness.

That's just stuffing your head in the sand in blind fanaticism.

[quido]

Occam's Razor: I'd have trouble believing that what happened to Holocaust transpired because of anything other than an interest in bringing more people (back) to the red server.

We all know that the red server attracts a more committed breed of degenerate, but Holocaust is a particularly dysfunctional brand of dipshits. I don't even have to be around to tell you that they make most people want to play there less, and it's not just because they are good at pvp.

[Cwall]

very unprofessional imo

[Twoberries]

Big lulz. Bitching about yellow text that maybe 100 people online saw when 500 bluebies like myself read the drama within 5 minutes while medding. QQ red-heads.

PS - RnF please, and I thought you were a stickler for forum etiquette Uthgaard :P

[Cwall]

you're missing the point

bluebie fuck

[Humerox]

It's an issue of consistency. Showboating a bunch of bans, and in the same breath claiming staunch adherence to a rule against discussing bans is inconsistent at best. Raising discussions about valid issues is healthy, and I'm amused that one person who is so in favor of free speech on the internet is trying to pretend that doing so doesn't help anything and even goes so far as to advocate arbitrary redefinitions of fairness.

That's just stuffing your head in the sand in blind fanaticism.

I'm amused that you even drew that comparison. I know how intelligent you are, and you know what I'm saying.

It's not a matter of the issues raised. It's a matter of perception and using the influence that you have in a more constructive way.

[Uberom]

It's an issue of consistency. Showboating a bunch of bans, and in the same breath claiming staunch adherence to a rule against discussing bans is inconsistent at best. Raising discussions about valid issues is healthy, and I'm amused that one person who is so in favor of free speech on the internet is trying to pretend that doing so doesn't help anything and even goes so far as to advocate arbitrary redefinitions of fairness.

That's just stuffing your head in the sand in blind fanaticism.

Lol. Fuck you Uth. I've been calling this staff hypocritical since like, ohhhhhh I dunno......check my join date.

They are the reason my friends who played quit / RMT their account away.

Welcome to reality ...

INB4 "this is a private server, we do what we want etc etc blah blah"

[Torven]

If the GMs had just looked at that first encounter log and removed the Nagafen loot from Nihilum on the first kill, it would have sent a clear message that exploiting him would be a waste of time at best, without harming server competition/population.

Instead, GMs do their job one day out of the year and Holocaust rolled a 1. Too bad $1000/mo in Google ad revenue isn't enough to make you care about your server more than that.

What you fail to realize is that your own apathy and laziness created an atmosphere where people just assumed no punishment for exploiting would happen. When people post screenshots of their exploiting on this very forum, with encounter logs publicly available, and no punishment occurs, then you send a message that exploiting is OK.

Enjoy your PvE ghost town Nizzarr. Nobody is impressed by anything you do. You're an object of pity. If anybody in your life even loves you, then you are neglecting them at the very least.

[Juugox2]

server hasnt droped any bit since you guys left wah waahh wahhh gtfo

[visage]

Eat a dick!

[Supreme]

Not sure what you call this, if not discussing disciplinary actions in public with everyone but the owners of the accounts, and bending your policies to incite drama. Officers names and guild affiliation were not secret or closely guarded information.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/14v36km.jpg

Deleting this thread just shows that you know you're in the wrong. And you can't delete it from every offsite forum, so you should probably address this before you drive off more players than you already have with this decision.


Really?

This is coming from you?

[Woosa]

Yeah at this point its gone from genuine concern to childish ranting and finger pointing it seems.

[Nizzarr]

If the GMs had just looked at that first encounter log and removed the Nagafen loot from Nihilum on the first kill, it would have sent a clear message that exploiting him would be a waste of time at best, without harming server competition/population.

Instead, GMs do their job one day out of the year and Holocaust rolled a 1. Too bad $1000/mo in Google ad revenue isn't enough to make you care about your server more than that.

What you fail to realize is that your own apathy and laziness created an atmosphere where people just assumed no punishment for exploiting would happen. When people post screenshots of their exploiting on this very forum, with encounter logs publicly available, and no punishment occurs, then you send a message that exploiting is OK.

Enjoy your PvE ghost town Nizzarr. Nobody is impressed by anything you do. You're an object of pity. If anybody in your life even loves you, then you are neglecting them at the very least.

lots of butthurt in this post, almost as much as in your fohguild posts. almost.

Fact is, that one time you did kill nagafen; we choose to leave it up and wait for more people to show up because:

a) it was bug reported by me two-three weeks prior
b) we dont support exploiting raid mobs
c) Holocaust couldnt kill it without exploiting it, you guys are horrible at pve.

I'm surprised you guys opted to bug it out the week after -- you didnt think youd be watched? we saw you camp like 15 dudes in solb, were not that ignorant.

As soon as you cleared giants, we were already petitioning for GMs to go watch you guys -- thanks for the removal of variance, GMs knew exactly when to show up. We didnt put up a fight either, it was pretty funny watching you guys fuck yourself over.

TL;DR

You guys are fucking dumb. Get the fuck out.

[Rust1d?]

Seems like this server will suffer the same fate as VZTZ because of the player base (in this case it is Holocaust) cheating/exploiting, the people who run this server having a god complex and the rest of the community not helping.

Fact is the server population went from 600+ on day one to 130-150 during peak hours. It is only a matter of time before the population falls under 100.

I hear the "oh the server pop is fine with 150 on classic". Well I guess you do not care about Kunark or Velious because that will never happen with such a low population.

Gonna talk to Image and devnoob about making RED69 start with Kunark.

[Nizzarr]

As for the OP -- I believe broadcasting things like that once isnt bad. They can discuss their ban in the petition forums. I think its what the`rules` refer to. Bringing bans discussion to the public is just bound to be trolled.

[Melveny]

Just throwing this out there,

It's not only "holocaust" players that disagree with these actions. Just saying since you all are blind to see otherwise.

[Supreme]

Just throwing this out there,

It's not only "holocaust" players that disagree with these actions. Just saying since you all are blind to see otherwise.


You are right.


It is also all the other butthurt complainers that feel this is the best time to revive old differences of opinions.

[Cwall]

supreme, your really so stupid dude, just stop talking

[Supreme]

supreme, your really so stupid dude, just stop talking


Again...

its YOU'RE.

Fucking pathetic retard.

[Nizzarr]

Imagine the server chat if poeple would discuss all their issues in the light?

Whoa man, that would be almost fun. Ocean of tears, literally. Fun times for GMs.

[fiegi]

Again...

its YOU'RE.

Fucking pathetic retard.

Have you figured out the proper spelling of "Knowingly" yet??

[Peppers]

Lots of GM known exploits occuring on many fronts. Selective application of policies identifies the favoritism or lack of institutional control.

Other than that, server is fine, lots of fun. Those players who are victims of confusing and uneven application of rules can and will be back soon. I hope they take their frustration with the unfairness out on their enemies and not the staff.

[Knuckle]

With the hell I went through to get to level 28 I'd be scared to be guilty of trigger finger rogean with his rambo broadcasts, ill be staying clear.

[fiegi]

With the hell I went through to get to level 28 I'd be scared to be guilty of trigger finger rogean with his rambo broadcasts, ill be staying clear.

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/funny-gifs-and-lold-some-more.gif

[Nizzarr]

Lots of GM known exploits occuring on many fronts. Selective application of policies identifies the favoritism or lack of institutional control.

Other than that, server is fine, lots of fun. Those players who are victims of confusing and uneven application of rules can and will be back soon. I hope they take their frustration with the unfairness out on their enemies and not the staff.

You think like GMs are al-mighty beings that can watch over every zone everywhere at anytime.

pro-tip: they arent.

If you see people exploiting, fraps them. Screenshot them. Petition them.

Besides that, nothing will never happen. Theres no favoritism or lack of control. It's just your delusional thinking.

[Supreme]

Have you figured out the proper spelling of "Knowingly" yet??

trolled so hard.

[Peppers]

Theres no favoritism or lack of control.

[fiegi]

trolled so hard.

We both know thats disingenuous pal

http://hellinahandbasket.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/finger-wag.jpg

[Nizzarr]

As far as I know, theres no dev in my guild -- unlike what happened on blue server.

I dont see why they would favor us over you guys, except the fact you're polluting their forums with useless shit. yea, maybe we`re favored after all -- probably not from our own lobbying though.

you brought this on yourself.

[Barkingturtle]

Favoritism is okay and fairness can go fuck itself when you're forced to deal with ungrateful, petulant shit-cunts and/or foreigners. I for one applaud the public condemnation rained down upon those cocksuckers who are too fucking pathetic to defeat blue content without cheating. Let the sweaty, neck-bearded masses gnash the black teeth in their meth-mouths and rue the day they ruined their own lands.

[Supreme]

We both know thats disingenuous pal

http://hellinahandbasket.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/finger-wag.jpg

ingenuous

[Neach]

Not sure what you call this, if not discussing disciplinary actions in public with everyone but the owners of the accounts, and bending your policies to incite drama. Officers names and guild affiliation were not secret or closely guarded information.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/14v36km.jpg

Deleting this thread just shows that you know you're in the wrong. And you can't delete it from every offsite forum, so you should probably address this before you drive off more players than you already have with this decision.


As much as most don't want to admit Uthgaard brings up a really valid and concerning point.

Holocaust did kinda get a back stick, however if consistency and rule of law were to be followed it would be ALL or NONE. That would undoubtedly mean Holocaust you are fucked regardless so ease up on the hate threads.
I also understand the underlying difference from Nihilum's kill and Holocaust's kill. The difference in punishment's are a little absurd but justified non the less.

The real problem is a chunk of the population is in up roar over this and long term member's of the community are voicing opinions that not every side will agree on. In all honesty this entire situation COULD and SHOULD of been conducting in a more community friendly way. I for one wan't to see the community grow and mature. . .not ban entire guilds for fingering their nose at THE MAN. still this shit storm doesn't exactly help BOTH sides.

I tried to remain as impartial as possible and stick to this issues that are really at stake, but you guys still need to remember regardless of what we say it's not our server. . .

[Nirgon]

It's an issue of consistency. Showboating a bunch of bans, and in the same breath claiming staunch adherence to a rule against discussing bans is inconsistent at best. Raising discussions about valid issues is healthy, and I'm amused that one person who is so in favor of free speech on the internet is trying to pretend that doing so doesn't help anything and even goes so far as to advocate arbitrary redefinitions of fairness.

That's just stuffing your head in the sand in blind fanaticism.

Some people with at least half a brain see this and realize the same thing. Maybe they can't put it together as eloquently, but they get it.

GL on getting ice comet changed to 203 mana and that quadding mist walker pet tho.

[Supreme]

As much as most don't want to admit Uthgaard brings up a really valid and concerning point.

Holocaust did kinda get a back stick, however if consistency and rule of law were to be followed it would be ALL or NONE. That would undoubtedly mean Holocaust you are fucked regardless so ease up on the hate threads.
I also understand the underlying difference from Nihilum's kill and Holocaust's kill. The difference in punishment's are a little absurd but justified non the less.

The real problem is a chunk of the population is in up roar over this and long term member's of the community are voicing opinions that not every side will agree on. In all honesty this entire situation COULD and SHOULD of been conducting in a more community friendly way. I for one wan't to see the community grow and mature. . .not ban entire guilds for fingering their nose at THE MAN. still this shit storm doesn't exactly help BOTH sides.

I tried to remain as impartial as possible and stick to this issues that are really at stake, but you guys still need to remember regardless of what we say it's not our server. . .

I am going to PK your ass tonight in Misty btw.

[Nirgon]

Esp when the same group you're touting as the plague of the server has reported every single bug, requested investigation, got none and then decided to even the playing field.

Note: I wasn't there for the Naggy kill. But try to put this together and consider where/who we got the bug from.

[Knuckle]

Nihilium exploits raid mobs, all is well cuz not caught. Holocaust beats the exploit out of a Nihilium member. SERVER BROADCAST HOLOCAUSTS DESTROYED BY LORD ROGEAN FOR BEING VILLIANS.

[Neach]

I am going to PK your ass tonight in Misty btw.


Shit. . .

[Torven]

Nihilum doesn't exploit, huh? Oh, but they have 'more logs than Jesus' remember.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Nihilum's first Nag 'kill'. What can we learn from this?

Reika, Fallen, Face, Milkshake, and Ganka do virtually nothing? (engaged late and/or have very low hate)

All non-damage doing healers have very low amounts of hate, suggesting very little healing done. Nerfed and Nacho appear to have done the majority of the healing, as they have several times more hate than any other healers.
Skelly, the only bard, level 45, does more damage than Hughman, suggesting no drums were used virtually the entire fight.

A few pets die very early, very fast, suggesting death from melee damage. The second round of pets survive the entire fight. Incidentally, the mage pets all have remarkably similar damages, suggesting either A) they didn't get feared at all, or B) they all got feared for virtually the same durations and no mage made any attempt to avoid fears or they somehow avoided the exact same amount of fears.

The second round of pets and most of the other attendees all join the battle nearly two minutes after the first pets die and long after initial aggro, suggesting Nagafen was pulled somewhere distant during this time.

Silver uses a water pet instead of downgrading to a fire pet. Gurrilla (and maybe Jibekn) are not yet 49, so they are stuck using the 44 fire pets because that pet is the vendor purchased pet for that tier.

Virtually all of the damage done to Nagafen comes from 8 sources: Emumu, Skelly, Silver, Jibekn, Gurrilla, Xzeal, Hughman, Nacho. Everybody else might as well not have even been there, as they did about as much damage as one 50 mage combined. (lol @ Lovely's 1.5k)

At least half the raid was between the levels 32 to 45. The above link lists current levels, but the levels of 10 people were quoted in my guild chat that night when somebody clicked the link then: Skelly 45 BARD; Lilpis 42 NEC; Bacon 40 SHM; Gurilla 46 MAG; Billy 32 WAR; Ganka 45 DRU; Xzeal 36 WAR; Calyx 34 ROG; Face 33 CLR; Milkshake 44 CLR.

The only apparent deaths are Lilpus and Jibekn who die during the 2 minute pull window, plus later Troriste, even though people as low as level 32 are present, have no bard, and are engaged for almost the entire fight after Nagafen is pulled.

Troriste was killed by his bat pet 6 seconds after it disengaged Nagafen, not by Nagafen himself. Coincidentally, Lovely joined the fight late soon after Troriste died, even though this was after he went MIA and was not seen online for some time prior and not since.

[Peppers]

As far as I know, theres no dev in my guild -- unlike what happened on blue server.

I dont see why they would favor us over you guys, except the fact you're polluting their forums with useless shit. yea, maybe we`re favored after all -- probably not from our own lobbying though.

you brought this on yourself.

Bro, calm down. I am only level 27. I don't have a current dog in this hunt. But I would like to soon. You cheated and nothing happened. Another guild copied you and got banned. No favoritism, No selective enforcement, no discussion and I am a level 27 ranger who wasn't online 7 days prior or after said event, but everything is as you said.

[Vile]

Nihilum doesn't exploit, huh? Oh, but they have 'more logs than Jesus' remember.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Nihilum's first Nag 'kill'. What can we learn from this?

Reika, Fallen, Face, Milkshake, and Ganka do virtually nothing? (engaged late and/or have very low hate)

All non-damage doing healers have very low amounts of hate, suggesting very little healing done. Nerfed and Nacho appear to have done the majority of the healing, as they have several times more hate than any other healers.
Skelly, the only bard, level 45, does more damage than Hughman, suggesting no drums were used virtually the entire fight.

A few pets die very early, very fast, suggesting death from melee damage. The second round of pets survive the entire fight. Incidentally, the mage pets all have remarkably similar damages, suggesting either A) they didn't get feared at all, or B) they all got feared for virtually the same durations and no mage made any attempt to avoid fears or they somehow avoided the exact same amount of fears.

The second round of pets and most of the other attendees all join the battle nearly two minutes after the first pets die and long after initial aggro, suggesting Nagafen was pulled somewhere distant during this time.

Silver uses a water pet instead of downgrading to a fire pet. Gurrilla (and maybe Jibekn) are not yet 49, so they are stuck using the 44 fire pets because that pet is the vendor purchased pet for that tier.

Virtually all of the damage done to Nagafen comes from 8 sources: Emumu, Skelly, Silver, Jibekn, Gurrilla, Xzeal, Hughman, Nacho. Everybody else might as well not have even been there, as they did about as much damage as one 50 mage combined. (lol @ Lovely's 1.5k)

At least half the raid was between the levels 32 to 45. The above link lists current levels, but the levels of 10 people were quoted in my guild chat that night when somebody clicked the link then: Skelly 45 BARD; Lilpis 42 NEC; Bacon 40 SHM; Gurilla 46 MAG; Billy 32 WAR; Ganka 45 DRU; Xzeal 36 WAR; Calyx 34 ROG; Face 33 CLR; Milkshake 44 CLR.

The only apparent deaths are Lilpus and Jibekn who die during the 2 minute pull window, plus later Troriste, even though people as low as level 32 are present, have no bard, and are engaged for almost the entire fight after Nagafen is pulled.

Troriste was killed by his bat pet 6 seconds after it disengaged Nagafen, not by Nagafen himself. Coincidentally, Lovely joined the fight late soon after Troriste died, even though this was after he went MIA and was not seen online for some time prior and not since.

http://ivor-kovic.com/assets/doctors/thorough2.jpg

[Mardur]

Torven you're late to the party.

[fiegi]

Detective Torven on the case

[engelbert]

http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/renault-puts-another-nail-in-saturn-s-coffin-11609_1.jpg

[aerokella]

If you quit because he broadcast that a bunch of exploiters were banned, youre probably a little exploiting bitch anyway.

[fiegi]

If you quit because he broadcast that a bunch of exploiters were banned, youre probably a little exploiting bitch anyway.


Classic example of our school systems failing us

[aerokella]

No i just dont take the time to type all eloquently on....dundundun... The internets.

[Peppers]

Nihilum doesn't exploit, huh? Oh, but they have 'more logs than Jesus' remember.

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=4156163

Nihilum's first Nag 'kill'. What can we learn from this?

Reika, Fallen, Face, Milkshake, and Ganka do virtually nothing? (engaged late and/or have very low hate)

All non-damage doing healers have very low amounts of hate, suggesting very little healing done. Nerfed and Nacho appear to have done the majority of the healing, as they have several times more hate than any other healers.
Skelly, the only bard, level 45, does more damage than Hughman, suggesting no drums were used virtually the entire fight.

A few pets die very early, very fast, suggesting death from melee damage. The second round of pets survive the entire fight. Incidentally, the mage pets all have remarkably similar damages, suggesting either A) they didn't get feared at all, or B) they all got feared for virtually the same durations and no mage made any attempt to avoid fears or they somehow avoided the exact same amount of fears.

The second round of pets and most of the other attendees all join the battle nearly two minutes after the first pets die and long after initial aggro, suggesting Nagafen was pulled somewhere distant during this time.

Silver uses a water pet instead of downgrading to a fire pet. Gurrilla (and maybe Jibekn) are not yet 49, so they are stuck using the 44 fire pets because that pet is the vendor purchased pet for that tier.

Virtually all of the damage done to Nagafen comes from 8 sources: Emumu, Skelly, Silver, Jibekn, Gurrilla, Xzeal, Hughman, Nacho. Everybody else might as well not have even been there, as they did about as much damage as one 50 mage combined. (lol @ Lovely's 1.5k)

At least half the raid was between the levels 32 to 45. The above link lists current levels, but the levels of 10 people were quoted in my guild chat that night when somebody clicked the link then: Skelly 45 BARD; Lilpis 42 NEC; Bacon 40 SHM; Gurilla 46 MAG; Billy 32 WAR; Ganka 45 DRU; Xzeal 36 WAR; Calyx 34 ROG; Face 33 CLR; Milkshake 44 CLR.

The only apparent deaths are Lilpus and Jibekn who die during the 2 minute pull window, plus later Troriste, even though people as low as level 32 are present, have no bard, and are engaged for almost the entire fight after Nagafen is pulled.

Troriste was killed by his bat pet 6 seconds after it disengaged Nagafen, not by Nagafen himself. Coincidentally, Lovely joined the fight late soon after Troriste died, even though this was after he went MIA and was not seen online for some time prior and not since.

Who were the officers present?

[Torven]

One correction: Hughman also died. The apparently only death to Nag that wasn't during the pull.

[Supreme]

So what are you trying to say Torven?

[Melveny]

I like this torven he has a brain and uses it.

[Peppers]

Has anyone figured out who wins?:

Reika sucking lovely's dick
or
Nirgon sucking staff's dick


Who?

[Supreme]

Do you have the log for the last time Nagafen was killed on Red99?

[Humerox]

The primary difference is that Nihi reported the problem. They got no response at the time, so they killed a bugged Naggy. BFD. That crap happened on blue, too.

Holocaust took the info from Heartbrand and abused it. They had no intention of reporting it, and didn't care.

There's no doubt in my mind Nihi could have contended (PvP - but they didn't) the Naggy kill that Holo exploited, and I have no doubt the information was given to Holo leadership that there was a problem and that it had been reported.

There's a real difference here, and anyone that argues to the contrary is a complete idiot in need of a frontal lobotomy to permanently shut their pie-hole.

[Torven]

The primary difference is that Nihi reported the problem.

That log suggests premeditation. Going after Nag with such a weak force to begin with is highly suspicious. Pulling Nag very far from his spawn point instead of using the nearest corner. The very little healing. The bard melee. The water pet from the get go. The not aborting the pull even when two pet casters are dead.

Everything seems to indicate that Nag never AoEed at all, not half-way through the fight as they claim.

[Peppers]

the information was given to Holo leadership that there was a problem and that it had been reported.

They had no intention of reporting it

There's a real difference here, and anyone that argues to the contrary is a complete idiot in need of a frontal lobotomy to permanently shut their pie-hole.

1. Problem reported, nothing done, no one cares.
2. holocausts knows this.
3. Humerox applies full extent of his brain.
4. failure insues.

[Humerox]

That log suggests premeditation. Going after Nag with such a weak force to begin with is highly suspicious. Pulling Nag very far from his spawn point instead of using the nearest corner. The very little healing. The bard melee. The water pet from the get go. The not aborting the pull even when two pet casters are dead.

Everything seems to indicate that Nag never AoEed at all, not half-way through the fight as they claim.

They already admitted they knew of the problem, reported it, waited for GM response which they didn't get...and proceeded to kill Naggy anyway. I don't know that I'd have done differently in that situation.

As far as I know they didn't do it again. If they had they'd be as wrong as Holo.

[Nirgon]

Uh I was very, very vocal about it to the point that Nilbog lost his cool regarding Nagafen being exploited. I didn't know how to at the time or how to find those posted logs but I knew their numbers and from a common sense stand point knew it was not possible.

Further, obviously going after Naggy with 14 and then bragging about skill with screenies... lol. Quite a black eye and I expected MUCH different here.

[Nirgon]

Well Nagafen among other things... how mobs were being pulled using invis etc.

You want screen shots of players exploiting? They were on the front page for the longest time trolling people away from starting here.

[Humerox]

Oh I know...I'm talking about this specific incident.

My opinion on GM response is that Rogean blew a cork and went a bit overboard. Nothing me or anyone else can do cuz it's his server.

He made an example out of somebody...Holocaust was doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

This "wrong thing" also just happened to be a major exploit...not a minor one.

[Massive Marc]

Uthgaard #1 in my books. Enough drama for all our momma's

[Nirgon]

It'd be crazy to say we didn't report it.

They showed up with around 14-15 people for Nagafen each time, suggesting they didn't intend to bug it out is also crazy.

Currently they poop sock him until he bugs out which is currently considered "legit" until stated otherwise. Then again, no response usually means they're fine doing it.

Get your guild to max level, own these fools. Then, walk a few steps in our shoes past that and see what you think about it.

It's a mistake that needs to be corrected bros. Rogean usually does the right thing in my book.

[Humerox]

Currently they poop sock him until he bugs out which is currently considered "legit" until stated otherwise. Then again, no response usually means they're fine doing it.

Afaik they're not using the bug. If they bug Naggy out to kill him, I'd expect another yellow broacast quite soon.

[Supreme]

13 year old content you do not need to know alot about how to kill nagafen.

[fiegi]

13 year old content you do not need to know alot about how to kill nagafen.

drag to wall, slay with a bunch of mid to high lvl 30's

success

[Nirgon]

Afaik .

I'm not flaming or trolling but I think your experience in this situation is second hand.

[ZEROSUM]

one bard, like 2 weeks into server no fire resists gear, level avg 40, get da fuk outta here

[Supreme]

drag to wall, slay with a bunch of mid to high lvl 30's

success

Yeah ..no high levels on the fight whatsoever.


Wait who is banned and who isnt? We have seen the logs...so have the GM's. Decisions were rendered...accept it.

[fiegi]

Yeah ..no high levels on the fight whatsoever.


Wait who is banned and who isnt? We have seen the logs...so have the GM's. Decisions were rendered...accept it.

Link me the running fight log of the first 2 nagafen fights

[Nirgon]

OK so a screen shot exists of a dead and exploited Nagafen and of exploited pulls of Ghoul Lord etc.

The decisions that be are made.

You're asking me to accept that?

[fiegi]

btw can you tell us your in-game name for some background ?

[Supreme]

Link me the running fight log of the first 2 nagafen fights

I do not have access to them.

However as it has been stated MANY MANY times before.

The first time it bugged out, was killed then reported.

Server is patched.

Second time it again bugs out (Patch did not fix it), was killed and reported.

Third time Holocaust gets inside infos from ex-Nihilum defector on how to bug it out and kill it...proceeds to do so...does not report it.

Fourth time Holocaust intentionally bugs out Nagafen...GETS BANNED.


And now QQ?

[fiegi]

Yeah ..no high levels on the fight whatsoever.


Wait who is banned and who isnt? We have seen the logs...so have the GM's. Decisions were rendered...accept it.

So you really haven't seen shit?

Thought so

[Supreme]

btw can you tell us your in-game name for some background ?

You have my ingame name.

Are you wanting to ask me out?

[fiegi]

You have my ingame name.

Are you wanting to ask me out?

No really I don't.

Unless you're implying its Supreme

If thats the case I never saw you in game once my apologies :D

[Supreme]

So you really haven't seen shit?

Thought so

There is one log posted of the Nagafen fight, there is also a post by Amelinda which shows his logs of the encounter.


I am suprised with all your trolling you have yet to come across EITHER of these posts...

[Supreme]

No really I don't.

Unless you're implying its Supreme

If thats the case I never saw you in game once my apologies :D

Bitch, I'm faboulous.

[fiegi]

The logs posted are from this weeks Nagafens kill

I'm looking for the running action logs on the first 2 kills weeks back

You really need to get your head screwed on straight.

[engelbert]

Bitch, I'm faboulous.

no you're just an idiot

[Nirgon]

What the fuck did they exactly fix? The server first kill shows him dead in Skarlon hallway. Nothing fixed there bud.

You're acting like you were the only person trying to bring this to the staff's attention. Despite your claims of legitimacy you were regularly showing up to kill it with 14-15 people.

Show me a dragon kill where it casted breaths and fears the whole fight and I'll post a public apology to my Nihilum PvE lords.

[Rogean]

I guess since I posted the Nihilum Naggy, it's only fair I post the Holocaust one. Unfortunately there is no log for the Nagafen that we were there to watch as the mob was reset.

There is this one from a week prior, which is very similar in numbers to the one we saw:

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=5139970

[fiegi]

Looks similar to the other ones

a broken mob not fighting back as intended.

Don't think that's really been contested here

[letsjoe]

stasis DOIN WORKKKK

[fiegi]

Just barely did more damage then a druids pet

The joys of classic everquest

[Cwall]

imagine a level 50 sonic bat

woo boy

[Zalaerian]

Still clean bro. Not our fault shits broke.

[Kringe]

LOLOL Kringe was claiming clean whistle up and down too

? where did I claim shit other than not hacking...

Keep my name outta your mouth faggot.


Have Rogean show you the logs of the other 4 Nihilum Naggy kills prior...


Dont think they will surface.

[Nirgon]

I guess since I posted the Nihilum Naggy, it's only fair I post the Holocaust one. Unfortunately there is no log for the Nagafen that we were there to watch as the mob was reset.

There is this one from a week prior, which is very similar in numbers to the one we saw:

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=5139970

We've admitted to doing it, but thanks for evidence proving us right in making that statement.

Can you clear the record of this issue with posting (minus guildchat / ooc, I'm not asking for spying into that) the logs of the kill where Naggy died and casted breaths and fears on the fight? We've been trolled constantly with claims of legitimacy despite obvious proof after the fact that they've exploited all of their kills up until the most recent one.

Or, don't even post them. Just state you've read them, the dragons in question used their abilities properly on the kill and that's the end of it. I completely trust you on this, it's just been very quiet and I'm having a very hard time believing this can be stamped as a fully reviewed let alone fair situation.

[Nirgon]

There should be no difference between pulling it over and over until it bugs and killing it and bugging it directly on a pull. The only difference is time invested used to screen the issue at hand (a bugged raid mob kill) and promote bull shit.

[letsjoe]

What are we even talking about? The loot should have been deleted and the mob properly fixed at a later date. Going on a suspension/banning spree is not the answer especially on a low pop server to begin with. There is a lot of ego checking that needs to take place, starting with the top. Holocaust understands what they did was wrong, exploiting a mob is wrong. However it was done a few times before by both guilds. We did it the first time with no one saying anything,(The Nillies knew what we were doing too, didn't see them bitching problems with the loot we got).

Why wasn't this taken care of the day or the second after the first exploited kill? Are we being made an example of? The logic is flawed, maybe at the same time bans should be going around for everyone using the temple of sol ro as a port to nek forest, or maybe everyone that recharges, etc.

I think that this should be something we learn from as a community, and not come to such harsh justices with. No one deserves to be banned from a community for doing something everyone else has done, and will continue to do as long as emus are being run.

[Rogean]

We've admitted to doing it, but thanks for evidence proving us right in making that statement.

Can you clear the record of this issue with posting (minus guildchat / ooc, I'm not asking for spying into that) the logs of the kill where Naggy died and casted breaths and fears on the fight? We've been trolled constantly with claims of legitimacy despite obvious proof after the fact that they've exploited all of their kills up until the most recent one.

Or, don't even post them. Just state you've read them, the dragons in question used their abilities properly on the kill and that's the end of it. I completely trust you on this, it's just been very quiet and I'm having a very hard time believing this can be stamped as a fully reviewed let alone fair situation.

Server "Logs" work differently than you think. The logs you see as a client (in your log file) are completely different types of information than what the server sees. When you see "Lord Nagafen begins to cast a spell" the server sees.. lets see.. something like this:

struct BeginCast_Struct { // len = 8
/*000*/ int16 caster_id;
/*002*/ int16 spell_id;
/*004*/ int32 cast_time; // in miliseconds
};

The client then interprets that into the line of text that you see.

The reason I'm saying this is that the server does not ever put data into text format like the clients do, thus can not possibly write it's own logfile based on what clients see.

What we do have "Logs" for are data reorganized into a different structure, shipped off to a logging service, and written to a database. Example of the Encounter Database:

Encounter Header Information
Http://www.rogean.com/images/encdb1.png

Encounter Entity Details
Http://www.rogean.com/images/encdb2.png

The frontend to display that information takes it and uses SQL table joins to display the proper names for the ID numbers.

Long story short.. We don't have logs of mobs casting spells, doing damage, or ANY logs of any type of chat unless it is seen by our own clients.

[Melveny]

My only complaint is Rogean and how he went about his punishment. For not addressing such issues in public, you do a broadcast to the entire server.... LOL

For punishing only those present, you disband an entire guild of uninvolved parties. LOL

Still have yet to hear of any staff / officer communication. For matters discussed privately. LOL

Still wondering why such conversations did not take place or were not initiated by the staff prior to power flexing. LOL

You do realize even no holocaust memers agree why u did wasn't right. You also realize people that hate everything about us an probably wishes us dead irl, also agree hat you did wasn't right. You do realize even you VIP contributors to your project agree what you did wasn't right.

Just satin.

[Rogean]

You do realize even you VIP contributors to your project agree what you did wasn't right.

Just satin.

Lol....

[Melveny]

Excuse type errors, iPhone is less forgiving.

[Rogean]

vz/tz had a wiretaps table... everything from chat to trades was logged

Trades are logged.

Chat is not, and will continue to not be logged. Logging private chats is invasion of privacy and is different from server to server, it is a morality decision of the server operators. Our server does not contain that capability.

[jibekn]

Excuse type errors, iPhone is less forgiving.

there is always blue melveny

[Melveny]

Dunno why I can't edit.

Selective reading and responses are win. Disregard other points.

[Massive Marc]

Lol....

Big Rog's,

You and Nilbog clearly need PR/CS training. I'd be willing to help you out for a small consulting fee in the form of planar gear or plat.

Seriously though, this situation could have easily been handled in a different fashion. One in which you guys don't look like amateurs.

Much love, thanks for the server.

[Kringe]

Normally I'm not for banning people, but you really just can't help yourself. You have to have every little advantage and I think we know the obvious reason why (see: 8 inches unbuffed losing mass pvp so crashing clients). I gave you benefit of doubt and didn't get too lippy before but now, caught 100% exploiting naggy kills, claiming to be legit. Lmao


I zone_cmd'd .... Shows how much you know about jack and shit..



What you fail to understand is NO ONE IS CLAIMING NAGGY WASNT EXPLOIT KILLED>>>>... We took the suspension... Point being it was done 5 seperate times before we even attempted it.... With no recourse....

Kthx. Move along little Vz/tz scrub.

[Nirgon]

OK, I'm not going to try to ask for something you don't have.

What we do have is Rob's character standing under the dragon taking no fears or getting aoe'd.

We've been asked for screen shots or fraps and provided them. As far as "proof" do you believe the first kills were legit?

As ridiculous as those kills are from a "just look at it" stand point, and even after we've had someone we took from their guild spill the strat, how can they still keep dragon loot?

Maybe you can just say case closed "it was not witnessed", but why after the entire community posted their outrage after the first kill was this kind of attention not placed on these mobs being killed? Why after looking at that first kill was no decision made after it had became clear to everyone a bug existed and this was an obvious case (dead in Skarlon hallway, screenshotted as well) was no action taken?

Maybe you can see where we're coming from and why we expect this being handled differently.

It's not exactly a secret now and the eyes on the issue can't say they're happy playing on a server when decisions like these are being made, no offense. Why do we want to spend more /days (literally) played when we expect people to get away with it?

(Again ghoul lord screen shot pulls, known MQ user and likely distributor involved... damning evidence... using a strat admittedly stolen from them etc.)

[Rogean]

We've been asked for screen shots or fraps and provided them. As far as "proof" do you believe the first kills were legit?

If you are asking for my personal opinion than I can oblige. I absolutely do not think the first kills were legitimate.

The keyword here is that it is my opinion.. my opinion alone does not give me what is necessary to take action on, which is a completely different situation. Just like a Judge may have an opinion about someone, may even talk down to them in court and say they were in the wrong, but in the end they ultimately have to prove without a doubt they were guilty to convict them.

You look at an encounter log like that and say, there's no way they could have killed nagafen with the number of players and the gear and char levels.. I look at it and consider the same thing and it pains me that I wasn't there to see it so that I could have the ammunition I would need to take action on it.

[fiegi]

The oddest part of the penalty was the 'officers' having the book thrown at them like holocaust is some blue raiding guild with actual legit tiers of memberships etc.

[Supreme]

The logs posted are from this weeks Nagafens kill

I'm looking for the running action logs on the first 2 kills weeks back

You really need to get your head screwed on straight.



You know the fight was bugged and reported. What is it you are waiting to see?

[Rogean]

but why after the entire community posted their outrage after the first kill was this kind of attention not placed on these mobs being killed?

It was, actually.. I took the spawn times and made a note, and also got other guides involved. Mob spawned and wasn't engaged right away.. I would AFK in the lair to keep an eye on it but ultimately end up missing it either to being pre-occupied or sleeping or at work, as it was the same for other guides. Finally we did end up being present for one. I was thinking of developing an SMS system for when a mob is engaged...

[Nizzarr]

Nirgon, thats a lot of disinformation you post -- so much youre even contradicting yourself.

LOL @ not knowing how to pull ghoul lord solo to anywhere in guk.

If only you had a clue -- but you're just retarded.

[fiegi]

Nirgon, thats a lot of disinformation you post -- so much youre even contradicting yourself.

LOL @ not knowing how to pull ghoul lord solo to anywhere in guk.

If only you had a clue -- but you're just retarded.

Known distributor of macroquest on blue.

[Kringe]

I mean I suppose, but that seems quite abit of a coincidence... Considering Reiker said they had petitioned/IRC/aimed 500 times right before we attempted.


But the other 4 kills (2 weeks before variation was removed) were "just missed" I suppose.

[fiegi]

You know the fight was bugged and reported. What is it you are waiting to see?

The logs you said you had "seen" an hour ago

Which you couldn't of backpedaled quicker on

Just keeping it real.

[Nizzarr]

Known distributor of macroquest on blue.

keep trolling, known pedophile!

[Nirgon]

So a screenshot of that mob dead in the Skarlon hallway with a bunch of people with no fire resist gear, after we took the strat from a member who was in the guild is not enough evidence.

You mention your opinion on the situation is irrelevant, where I believe it was entirely at your discretion outside of the rules that a public announcement was made regarding GM decisions enacted upon players/accounts/guilds. It seems that your opinion is quite relevant.

I think the answer is we regrettably have to say GMs did not monitor the kills after a bug (obvious after looking at logs) was posted. Unfortunate, but the case. Further we have to, as a community, understand that if a GM does not witness it, screen shots are irrelevant after we were told they would be. Okay, and moving on..

And in summary, the rule is if a GM does not witness, it is permitted despite contrary evidence and can expect that our shot to compete fairly is subject to spot checks (3 kills later for them, once after they report us).

I understand it is no one's "job" to watch every raid mob kill. Fair.

I understand if it's not witnessed (with great hesitation saying so because of the overwhelming evidence offered and considering our source of obtaining the exploit) that no action will be taken.

Where you lose me though, is can I really expect that on an off night if you see a log of me pulling Nagafen and only a mage and a druid killing it, that no action will be taken against me if a GM is not present?

A yes or no answer is the last nail in the coffin for many of us on that last point.

[Melveny]

Nirgon, thats a lot of disinformation you post -- so much youre even contradicting yourself.

LOL @ not knowing how to pull ghoul lord solo to anywhere in guk.

If only you had a clue -- but you're just retarded.

If you look close enough, the contradictions are coming from Rogean.

[Nizzarr]

ITT: lots of butthurt holocaust members

[Kringe]

It was, actually.. I took the spawn times and made a note, and also got other guides involved. Mob spawned and wasn't engaged right away.. I would AFK in the lair to keep an eye on it but ultimately end up missing it either to being pre-occupied or sleeping or at work, as it was the same for other guides. Finally we did end up being present for one. I was thinking of developing an SMS system for when a mob is engaged...


I mean I'll chalk it up as our own fault..
But this leads and or opens a plethora of situations for the future..



When planes come out... Training (accidently,purposely, whatever commenses) ... Goes on for several weeks/months... Then you so happen to "withness" one "several months later (this of course is following suit that there is no GM interaction and or consequences, similar to what is happening now)... You decide... K Goodbye entire guild (cause someone batphoned you/irc/aimed whatever and you happened to feel like loggin in)..


This, I believe is what most of the community is wondering, if this is what we are to expect moving forward..

[Rogean]

Where you lose me though, is can I really expect that on an off night if you see a log of me pulling Nagafen and only a mage and a druid killing it, that no action will be taken against me if a GM is not present?

A yes or no answer is the last nail in the coffin for many of us on that last point.

Depends.

How long was the fight, dDoes the log show the full damage of the mob's HP (The mob wasn't mem blurred)? etc...

Other miscellaneous things like that would need to be checked. At that point I would ban you, at the very least for an explanation (Which you wouldn't have if you didn't kill it legitimately).

[Jirr]

Just glanced through the logs is the book supposed to drop during classic? I thought it was kunark.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6123

[Massive Marc]

It was, actually.. I took the spawn times and made a note, and also got other guides involved. Mob spawned and wasn't engaged right away.. I would AFK in the lair to keep an eye on it but ultimately end up missing it either to being pre-occupied or sleeping or at work, as it was the same for other guides. Finally we did end up being present for one. I was thinking of developing an SMS system for when a mob is engaged...

Here's my beef with this post:

At the high end Classic Everquest (pre planes) has 3 spawns that are worth contesting with a guild, Phinny,Vox,Naggy. How is it possible, as the server provider, that you're not able to put in the time to A: be there for the fights or B: have another member of the staff there to overlook the event. Any scrub surfing these forums knew the encounter was fucked up. Yet all encounters were exploited and nothing was done until now and as a result of piss poor public relations a whole guild was banned/suspended as your fix ?

Please, I know you're better then this.

[Nizzarr]

To be fair with holocaust -- I posted a bug report in the petition/exploit forum and there wasnt any views on it (except mine) after one week.

THERE YOU GO, TROLL AWAY.

[Nirgon]

Nirgon, thats a lot of disinformation you post -- so much youre even contradicting yourself.

LOL @ not knowing how to pull ghoul lord solo to anywhere in guk.

If only you had a clue -- but you're just retarded.

Heartbrand got this exploit from you, we took it, you raged.

You've been suspended and delvled to 54 for using MQ. Likely, knowing your penchant for showing exploits, distributed it up blue.

The bug has been posted about pulling a mob and having someone cast invis or ITU on you depending on the type of mob. This includes an Amelinda response that you will be suspended etc if you are seen doing it. Give me a break.

What credibility do you have? Oh, a convenience you enjoyed until we stripped that information from you and used it to our advantage. How quickly you and Reika using the exploit and lawling about your dragon kills on the forums turn into crying petition/AIM/IRC spamfest about it when the ball is no longer in your court. The court being a pvp server.

Thanks for making the server look good bud.

[Supreme]

If you are asking for my personal opinion than I can oblige. I absolutely do not think the first kills were legitimate.

The keyword here is that it is my opinion.. my opinion alone does not give me what is necessary to take action on, which is a completely different situation. Just like a Judge may have an opinion about someone, may even talk down to them in court and say they were in the wrong, but in the end they ultimately have to prove without a doubt they were guilty to convict them.

You look at an encounter log like that and say, there's no way they could have killed nagafen with the number of players and the gear and char levels.. I look at it and consider the same thing and it pains me that I wasn't there to see it so that I could have the ammunition I would need to take action on it.

Absolutely.


No one is going to say that the first two Nagafen kills were "legitimate". What has been said is that the encounter bugged out was reported. Server was patched and it was assumed Nagafen had been fixed but it bugged out again.

Holocaust intentionally bugged the encounter the third and fourth times and was banned for being caught the fourth time.


Knowing that the encounter was/could be bugged should have been an indicator to engage this mob with caution. However caution was not taken and now you have this...


I would add that while Rogean made a decision to disband Holocaust for this I do not agree with it...but it is not MY decision to make. I only have to accept it (gladly i might add). Ranting about it over and over is not going to make him REVERSE his decision.

[fiegi]

Think the majority can agree that this situation couldn't of been fumbled any worse. There's still time to make it right.

[Rogean]

At the high end Classic Everquest (pre planes) has 3 spawns that are worth contesting with a guild, Phinny,Vox,Naggy.


Naggy, Vox, Phinny X2
Innoruuk, Cazic, Draco, Dojorn, VS, Trak, Sev, Tal, Gore, PharaDar, Silverwing, Hoshkar I'll just stop there.

PvP is not the only server we need to watch. On PvP the problem is exploiting.. On blue the problem is FTE Claims, Poopsocking, Training, etc.

[Melveny]

Still looking for an answer as to why "privately discussed" issue was broadcasted to the entire server.

Thanks!

[Nirgon]

Depends.

How long was the fight, dDoes the log show the full damage of the mob's HP (The mob wasn't mem blurred)? etc...

Other miscellaneous things like that would need to be checked. At that point I would ban you, at the very least for an explanation (Which you wouldn't have if you didn't kill it legitimately).

And the explanation for their previous kills? Admitting the mob was bugged out and killed.

I suggest I pull a similar tactic. You state the contrary, that an unwitnessed act can in fact be punished.

We make clear that the current state of the dragon being killed is that it is pulled over and over until it bugs. Amelinda posts a snippet from one of many attempts where they are working to get the dragon to bug out but not the kill under a "There! See!" pretense, like I'm a fool.

I'm sorry Rogean, but I this has changed my opinions regarding a situation I thought would not exist. I can't see how anyone can agree with this decision.

[Rogean]

PharaDar, Silverwing, Hoshkar.

Gonna take back those mobs I mentioned since VP on blue has no RP Enforcement.

[Massive Marc]

Naggy, Vox, Phinny X2
Innoruuk, Cazic, Draco, Dojorn, VS, Trak, Sev, Tal, Gore, PharaDar, Silverwing, Hoshkar I'll just stop there.

PvP is not the only server we need to watch. On PvP the problem is exploiting.. On blue the problem is FTE Claims, Poopsocking, Training, etc.

Bro. None of those mobs are currently in Red99, which is currently what this thread is about, please don't deflect.

[Massive Marc]

No shit. So then he's understaffed on Red99 and needs to find more guides.

Use your brain.

[Supreme]

Think the majority can agree that this situation couldn't of been fumbled any worse. There's still time to make it right.

In Law Enforcement the most powerful tool you have is discretion. Rogean's discretionary judgement led him to believe that disbanding Holocaust, banning the online officers of Holocaust and suspending the online members was the right thing to do.


Let us not Monday morning quarterback his judgement. No matter how much you agree or disagree with it...he is going to be the ultimate authority.

[Melveny]

Still looking for an answer as to why "privately discussed" issue was broadcasted to the entire server.

Thanks!


Can kill two birds with one stone by also answering why an entire guild was disbanded that includes more uninvolved parties then ones involved.

[Nirgon]

None of this at all is questioning staffing or who is on the staff.

It's questioning clearly presented evidence explaining an obvious chain of events and the decisions made regarding it.

[Rogean]

Let me ask you guys this question.. Do both sides of this table (I guess that would be Nihilum vs Holocaust) think that ANY of the Nagafen kills were legitimate?

[Crazycloud]

I didn't read this whole thread but would like to reply to some nubs who were saying holo was killing the server. The only people holo were destroying were the top guilds aka nihilum blues who couldn't handle pvp heat.

We actually logged on druids to power lvl lowbies, i myself in WFP donated plat/gear/pl's to tons of new people starting up on server. We enjoy pvp competition.

[fiegi]

Let me ask you guys this question.. Do both sides of this table (I guess that would be Nihilum vs Holocaust) think that ANY of the Nagafen kills were legitimate?

None were legitimate

[Cwall]

nihilum members have admitted to killing a bugged out nagafen, on top of a plethora of screenshotted/anecdotal evidence

[Massive Marc]

Let me ask you guys this question.. Do both sides of this table (I guess that would be Nihilum vs Holocaust) think that ANY of the Nagafen kills were legitimate?

None. As stated before, EVERYONE knows (except you for some reason) that ALL the encounters were exploited.

[Supreme]

Let me ask you guys this question.. Do both sides of this table (I guess that would be Nihilum vs Holocaust) think that ANY of the Nagafen kills were legitimate?

I can only say that the LAST nagafen kill was Legitimate. AEs,fear etc etc.

I do not know 100% that the first 3 were.

[Zalaerian]

None were legitimate

[fiegi]

In Law Enforcement the most powerful tool you have is discretion. Rogean's discretionary judgement led him to believe that disbanding Holocaust, banning the online officers of Holocaust and suspending the online members was the right thing to do.


Let us not Monday morning quarterback his judgement. No matter how much you agree or disagree with it...he is going to be the ultimate authority.

Guess the courts should just throw out the appellate process while were at it.

Fucking idiot.

[Cwall]

free selena

[Rust1d?]

The problem is this is how dragons were killed on other emus such as RED69and K&B. Not usre if this is an EMU bug but people have just got used to it. Not saying it is legit, it is just the game mechanics.

On Live, I do not remember if Naggy even moved from his spot. I just know the AOE range was crazy.

On the EMU you just get him/her stuck in the wall and you can pretty much kill them with one cleric and one enchanter.

[Rogean]

nihilum members have admitted to killing a bugged out nagafen


"A" bugged out nagafen. There have been 5 nagafen deaths in total. You guys are saying every one of them were bugged out?

[fiegi]

I didn't read this whole thread but would like to reply to some nubs who were saying holo was killing the server. The only people holo were destroying were the top guilds aka nihilum blues who couldn't handle pvp heat.

We actually logged on druids to power lvl lowbies, i myself in WFP donated plat/gear/pl's to tons of new people starting up on server. We enjoy pvp competition.

[Supreme]

None were legitimate

Last kill was very legitimate

[Rust1d?]

The problem is this is how dragons were killed on other emus such as RED69and K&B. Not usre if this is an EMU bug but people have just got used to it. Not saying it is legit, it is just the game mechanics.

On Live, I do not remember if Naggy even moved from his spot. I just know the AOE range was crazy.

On the EMU you just get him/her stuck in the wall and you can pretty much kill them with one cleric one mage and one enchanter.

[fiegi]

"A" bugged out nagafen. There have been 5 nagafen deaths in total. You guys are saying every one of them were bugged out?

yes, don't think it could be much clearer.

[Crazycloud]

This could of been handled much better in a privately manner. The punishment for some were really extreme.

[Supreme]

"A" bugged out nagafen. There have been 5 nagafen deaths in total. You guys are saying every one of them were bugged out?

Last kill was very legitimate.

[Nirgon]

NO!

We know this because we stole one of their members and then duplicated exactly what he told us man!

There are screen shots of him dead to, as I've illustrated, a ridiculously unequipped force.

Then they bring 14-15 people (same # as us) to kill him the day we contest and take it from them. How in the heck can you believe them say "we had no intention of bugging it" with 14-15 people.

Did Amelinda not AT LEAST witness 1.5-2hrs of hopeless attempts only to see him "magically" die afterwards? We have screens of Rob (naked) not being feared or breathed by the dragon. After the # of melee swings in that chat log, how can you say "oh he's not close enough" or "it was just a brief snippet".

Come on Emp..

[Rogean]

Ok so all but the last kill were legitimate?

[Supreme]

None. As stated before, EVERYONE knows (except you for some reason) that ALL the encounters were exploited.

Last kill was very legitimate.

[Massive Marc]

When was the last kill ?

[fiegi]

Last one was bullshit as well

if not why doesn't hughman post the entire raid log encounter??

It's that simple

[Slathar]

Let me ask you guys this question.. Do both sides of this table (I guess that would be Nihilum vs Holocaust) think that ANY of the Nagafen kills were legitimate?

If you look at the logs at each of their Nagafen kills and see who did damage and who was there you'll find:

- Several level 35-45 characters
- Less than 18 players
- Nagafen's corpse in the very spot where the exploit is known to happen (both kills 1 and 2 by Nihilum)
- 0-1 bards (and the one who was there didn't bother playing AE resists, I wonder why?)


If you add all of this up you'll see that zero of the kills were legitimate.

[Cwall]

"A" bugged out nagafen. There have been 5 nagafen deaths in total. You guys are saying every one of them were bugged out?

does it even seem possible to kill nagafen with 17 people, most of them being in their 30s, very early on in the server, with a single bard not playing resist song, and pets living through the entire fight, with all clerics having generated hardly any hate on the mob?

[Supreme]

Ok so all but the last kill were legitimate?

If you are asking if Nagafen was killed "as intended" then the last kill would fit that bill.

The other encounters were bugged/reported.

[Slathar]

If you are asking if Nagafen was killed "as intended" then the last kill would fit that bill.

The other encounters were bugged/reported.

This is a lie.

Supreme was banned on Blue99 for use of MacroQuest2. From this pattern of behavior we can see that he is interested in exploiting game mechanics for personal gain.

Plus, he is really bad at pvp, fat and a faggot.

[Nirgon]

"A" bugged out nagafen. There have been 5 nagafen deaths in total. You guys are saying every one of them were bugged out?

Nizzar would say he didn't use MQ on blue if you asked him right now even after he was caught.

There's existing screen shots and clear and obvious evidence that this mob has never been killed legitimately. If you want to believe the team that has not only sourced exploits, but then reported them only after taking full advantage of them and in an effort to deny others the opportunity go ahead. We know where we got the strat we know, hopefully, as Everquest players that the present raid forces can kill that dragon.

We can say OK common sense aside, what pure evidence do we have?

Rob's screen of him not getting aoe'd or feared. Check Naggy's or Hughman's swing timer and then tell me a breath or fear shouldn't have occurred or there is even a remote chance of that.

Check the previous kills posted. Would a duo mage + druid be any less suspicious? How about the healers actually nuking and shit.. you want to tell mea 37 warrior and a water pet are going to survive with healers nuking?

Come on..

[Rogean]

Last Kill

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=5549263

[engelbert]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjm4n4umw1rn1xxfo1_400.gif

[Supreme]

does it even seem possible to kill nagafen with 17 people, most of them being in their 30s, very early on in the server, with a single bard not playing resist song, and pets living through the entire fight, with all clerics having generated hardly any hate on the mob?

If this was the case then obviously no.

However since this was not the case you really do not know what you are talking about.

So shut up.

[billyinorganic]

Last one was bullshit as well

if not why doesn't hughman post the entire raid log encounter??

It's that simple

careful.

Last one = 100% legit.

SOMEONE POST THE FUCKING LOGS ALREADY GOD DAMN IT.

[Slathar]

If you look at the logs at each of their Nagafen kills and see who did damage and who was there you'll find:

- Several level 35-45 characters
- Less than 18 players
- Nagafen's corpse in the very spot where the exploit is known to happen (both kills 1 and 2 by Nihilum)
- 0-1 bards (and the one who was there didn't bother playing AE resists, I wonder why?)


If you add all of this up you'll see that zero of the kills were legitimate.

[Nirgon]

present raid forces can't* kill that dragon.

If you want to say Nihilum will go unpunished and Holocaust will be completely disbanded and publicly branded, after all of this evidence has been offered. Well, just go ahead and tell everyone that and poll some public opinion.

[fiegi]

careful.

Last one = 100% legit.

SOMEONE POST THE FUCKING LOGS ALREADY GOD DAMN IT.

Ya someone post it and prove it

Even tho all your characters that were at the "legit" kill would be suspended/banned from the weeks of exploiting him previously.

So either way, it wouldn't of occurred

:p

[Rogean]

Here's what I'm willing to compromise.

Yes I'm bending non-disclosure.. this has been a pretty unique situation though affecting the server.

I will be taking loot away from all the nagafen kills except the last one.

Holocaust will be reinstated.

Suspended players will remain suspended.

Banned officers will be reduced to suspensions.

[Supreme]

Ya someone post it and prove it

Even tho all your characters that were at the "legit" kill would be suspended/banned from the weeks of exploiting him previously.

So either way, it wouldn't of occurred

:p

NIHILUM LEGIT NAGAFEN KILL 1/9/2012 (http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=5549263)

[Titanuk]

I can only say that the LAST nagafen kill was Legitimate. AEs,fear etc etc.

I do not know 100% that the first 3 were.

i was fighting u guys on naggy for about 25-35seconds with 0 fears or AEs ..

[Slathar]

Guild A: Exploits knowingly for weeks
Guild B: Exploits once, banned, disbanded
Guild A: Claims victory; Smeagol reappears on red99
Guild B: Presents sound evidence outlining Guild A's numerous server infractions.
Guild A: Placed on suicide watch pending return of Guild B.

[billyinorganic]

"never been killed legitimately."

have fun wasting your food sustenance + preciously manufactured neurotransmitters on maintaining a false conviction after i warned you several times.

You are now officially worthless and your mind produces not but that which is able to press a key pon a word of suggestion.

BITCH, take a dick up the ass.

And im not a nhilium fan boy, i just singling you out because i put forth the effort to tell you and after all that your claims imply i am a liar.

In all worlds i would destroy you.

[Supreme]

Here's what I'm willing to compromise.

Yes I'm bending non-disclosure.. this has been a pretty unique situation though affecting the server.

I will be taking loot away from all the nagafen kills except the last one.

Holocaust will be reinstated.

Suspended players will remain suspended.

Banned officers will be reduced to suspensions.



Now all you fucks that bashed Rogean.

Need to say Thank You.

[fiegi]

NIHILUM LEGIT NAGAFEN KILL 1/9/2012 (http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=5549263)

This isn't a running log

Figured a bluebie like yourself would have known the difference.

[Slathar]

Here's what I'm willing to compromise.

Yes I'm bending non-disclosure.. this has been a pretty unique situation though affecting the server.

I will be taking loot away from all the nagafen kills except the last one.

Holocaust will be reinstated.

Suspended players will remain suspended.

Banned officers will be reduced to suspensions.

HAIL LORD ROGEAN DEFENDER OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE

[fiegi]

"never been killed legitimately."

have fun wasting your food sustenance + preciously manufactured neurotransmitters on maintaining a false conviction after i warned you several times.

You are now officially worthless and your mind produces not but that which is able to press a key pon a word of suggestion.

BITCH, take a dick up the ass.

And im not a nhilium fan boy, i just singling you out because i put forth the effort to tell you and after all that your claims imply i am a liar.

In all worlds i would destroy you.

Oh billy cmon, thought we were pals?

[Melveny]

Sounds way more reasonable.

The log is on page 19 posted by Rogean just so many post this thread is flying by.

[Titanuk]

i was fighting u guys on naggy for about 25-35seconds with 0 fears or AEs ..


only reason i lasted that long before i was killed

[Cwall]

If this was the case then obviously no.

However since this was not the case you really do not know what you are talking about.

So shut up.

obv don't know what i'm talking about

[billyinorganic]

i was fighting u guys on naggy for about 25-35seconds with 0 fears or AEs ..

pure liar.

lies are not worthy of the ring

get the fuck out.

[Nirgon]

Last Kill

http://www.project1999.org/p99/?Log&Srv=5&Enc=5549263


You're telling me that's a raid force that can kill Nagafen legitimately?

[Supreme]

obv don't know what i'm talking about

Obv.

[Supreme]

You're telling me that's a raid force that can kill Nagafen legitimately?

All it takes...

[billyinorganic]

You're telling me that's a raid force that can kill Nagafen legitimately?

also, you ever heard of timing your fucking pets and shit around aoes?

stupid man with a little whimsical brain... so proud.

[Nirgon]

That's as fair as you can be I think.

Thank you for listening.

[Srs Not Ames]

Damn this thread getting real good

[Supreme]

You're telling me that's a raid force that can kill Nagafen legitimately?

Actually less tbh.

[Titanuk]

Now all you fucks that bashed Rogean.

Need to say Thank You.

you need to say thank you he is giving you the last kill still

[billyinorganic]

Oh billy cmon, thought we were pals?

i murder liars in all realms

[Massive Marc]

Here's what I'm willing to compromise.

Yes I'm bending non-disclosure.. this has been a pretty unique situation though affecting the server.

I will be taking loot away from all the nagafen kills except the last one.

Holocaust will be reinstated.

Suspended players will remain suspended.

Banned officers will be reduced to suspensions.

Pretty cool, IMO. Well done.

[Slathar]

This is a lie.

Supreme was banned on Blue99 for use of MacroQuest2. From this pattern of behavior we can see that he is interested in exploiting game mechanics for personal gain.

Plus, he is really bad at pvp, fat and a faggot.

[Cwall]

Obv.

he was asking about previous kills and i described the log provided on one of nihilum's previous kills you fucking autist

[fiegi]

you need to say thank you he is giving you the last kill still

[Kringe]

while we are on the same note Rogean... VOX (who is harder than naggy) has been slain twice..... Can this be looked at as well?

[Nirgon]

In closing can you guys at Nihilum realize what effect is has on a server everyone really wants to have around? We were without pvp box. Here we have it.

The exploiting must end.

[Massive Marc]

In closing can you guys at Nihilum realize what effect is has on a server everyone really wants to have around? We were without pvp box. Here we have it.

The exploiting must end.

[Nirgon]

Phinigal, similarly we've heard is bugged in ceilings and shit.

[Titanuk]

while we are on the same note Rogean... VOX (who is harder than naggy) has been slain twice..... Can this be looked at as well?

if u cant kill naggy legit there is no fucking way u can kill vox lololol

i didnt even know they got that yet.. i need to get off star wars

[Slathar]

while we are on the same note Rogean... VOX (who is harder than naggy) has been slain twice..... Can this be looked at as well?

Yes, I am aware that Nihilum used similar exploitations to prevent Vox from AEing/fearing.

This would be a good idea. They are known exploiters.

[Titanuk]

Holocaust True White Knights

[Nirgon]

Vox is much harder and killed with about the same #'s. We attemped Vox legit and there is no way on God's green earth this is possible.

How about the enforcement of screenshots when catching players exploiting? Can you comment on that?

[fiegi]

Can we get the Vox transcripts?

[Nirgon]

also, you ever heard of timing your fucking pets and shit around aoes?

stupid man with a little whimsical brain... so proud.

You are a certified fucking retard Billy.

How does Troriste get a mist walker with 14 people on Vox?

I hate to tell you as a long time EQ player, I think I have a basic fucking clue when it comes to game mechanics.

[Supreme]

Wow really?

You guys whined pissed and moaned to get unbanned, dragon loot from Nagafen removed and now we are going to witch hunt?

Whats next spamming threads for a SERVER RESET?


Ungrateful jackasses.

[Slathar]

Wow really?

You guys whined pissed and moaned to get unbanned, dragon loot from Nagafen removed and now we are going to witch hunt?

Whats next spamming threads for a SERVER RESET?


Ungrateful jackasses.

This is a defense mechanism of a known exploiter in fear of his loots being garnished by Rogean.

Tremble in fear of pixel redistribution, Jabba.

[Nizzarr]

Heartbrand got this exploit from you, we took it, you raged.

You've been suspended and delvled to 54 for using MQ. Likely, knowing your penchant for showing exploits, distributed it up blue.

The bug has been posted about pulling a mob and having someone cast invis or ITU on you depending on the type of mob. This includes an Amelinda response that you will be suspended etc if you are seen doing it. Give me a break.

What credibility do you have? Oh, a convenience you enjoyed until we stripped that information from you and used it to our advantage. How quickly you and Reika using the exploit and lawling about your dragon kills on the forums turn into crying petition/AIM/IRC spamfest about it when the ball is no longer in your court. The court being a pvp server.

Thanks for making the server look good bud.

I'm not sure where you got this from -- ive never been suspended for anything except training on blue.

WTB quotations

[Titanuk]

PvP is not the only server we need to watch. On PvP the problem is exploiting.. On blue the problem is FTE Claims, Poopsocking, Training, etc.

considering the exploiting strats came from a blue server im not sure why you dont think its not a problem on blue99

[Massive Marc]

If VOX is exploitable, this should be looked at. It's a no brainer.

[Nirgon]

Billy, try and understand your short term victory of masking all these events or trying to white knight rules despite insanely contradictory evidence hurts this server BADLY. People don't want to come here when the front page of the forums is someone who exploited wand recharging and killing dragons with 13-15 people. The players (500-600 at the time?) who were once here left as they screenshots cropped up.

People with common sense know, from playing this game, that those mobs don't die to people legitimately under those circumstances. Rather than make a big deal about it, they throw in the towel and let you have your victory. I am not one of those people.

[Supreme]

Vox was not exploited.

Just have to know how the fuck to kill her.

[Titanuk]

Wow really?

You guys whined pissed and moaned to get unbanned, dragon loot from Nagafen removed and now we are going to witch hunt?

Whats next spamming threads for a SERVER RESET?


Ungrateful jackasses.

getting called out for exploiting dragons is a little different that spamming reset server

[Titanuk]

Vox was not exploited.

Just have to know how the fuck to kill her.

just like naggy

[Nirgon]

I'm not sure where you got this from -- ive never been suspended for anything except training on blue.

WTB quotations

Oh really?

Ok. I hope you'll settle for character witnesses, all of who I'm sure you'd debunk as "so and so did this".

I'd have you know these are people who were not banned for using MQ and were VERY aware of your absence AND your delevel as a result.

Who knows how many people got MQ from you man. You obviously have no trouble convincing an entire guild here to assist you in lying to the staff and trolling the community in a very harmful way for your own gains. Pretty sickening tbqh.

Killing vox with 14 then trolling for a walking god of a mist walker pet. Give me. A. God damn. Break.

[Titanuk]

u had 2 bashers for vox each time maybe ? confirmed legit

[Slathar]

Vox was not exploited.

Just have to know how the fuck to kill her.

This person is in Nihilum and knowingly exploited Nagafen and Vox to obtain illicit pixels in the hopes it would turn the tide of their awful PvP record. It didn't work.

Holocaust reinstated, Supreme placed on suicide watch (preferred method of suicide is overdoes on Cool Valley Ranch according to my sources.

[Titanuk]

Supreme hitting up the bunny ranch before his death i heard

[Nirgon]

Whats next spamming threads for a SERVER RESET?




Someone sounds caught.

You know, I don't think a single person here other than Salty or another troll is going to ask for a wipe. We don't want it. There hasn't been a good pvp box (like this one) in way too long. I will be the first to admit there are reformed criminals amongst the Holocaust ranks. I will also say I've been completely honest and put a ton of effort into researching issues and uncovering what could have gone on indefinitely with your guild.

TBQH I think the 400 or so people that left this server in light of hearing about exploitation could say the same. And whether someone has been pk'd by us, has previous history with our members etc, anyone who isn't in your guild with half a brain knows what damage has been done as a result of Nihilum's actions and is very happy to see an end to it.

Maybe, with the introduction of the planes and hearing of this, they will return.

[Supreme]

getting called out for exploiting dragons is a little different that spamming reset server

The only guild that "exploited" dragons was Holocaust.

When you "exploit" you are INTENTIONALLY trying to cause the game to perform with an unintended mechanism. This is done by z-axis, or pathing or ghosting or any other number of ways deemed an "exploit".


When you encounter ANY monster/npc in Everquest there is always the chance that some random event may occur. It may be as simple as the mob pathing between nodes in such a way that it runs away from the group or into a wall.

In unrest i have seen many people pathing mobs around with dots which makes the mobs "ping pong" between pathing nodes.

Does this make it an exploit? YES only if you KNOW that doing it will cause the encounter to perform this way and give you an unfair advantage.

However discovering this "bug" does not require you to immediately disengage, report the bug and leave. You are allowed to continue to play the game. However repeatedly using the bug to your advantage is then called "exploiting".

[fiegi]

Why has all your dragon loot been removed then if you didn't "exploit" anything?

[Titanuk]

naggy legit kills confirmed by Rogean

[Supreme]

Someone sounds caught.

You know, I don't think a single person here other than Salty or another troll is going to ask for a wipe. We don't want it. There hasn't been a good pvp box (like this one) in way too long. I will be the first to admit there are reformed criminals amongst the Holocaust ranks. I will also say I've been completely honest and put a ton of effort into researching issues and uncovering what could have gone on indefinitely with your guild.

TBQH I think the 400 or so people that left this server in light of hearing about exploitation could say the same. And whether someone has been pk'd by us, has previous history with our members etc, anyone who isn't in your guild with half a brain knows what damage has been done as a result of Nihilum's actions and is very happy to see an end to it.

Maybe, with the introduction of the planes and hearing of this, they will return.



Nope just seems you guys are a bitter and ungrateful for the fact that you could still be disbanded/banned for all of this.

And yet here you are.....still bitching and trying to witch hunt.

[Titanuk]

vox legit kills confirmed by supreme...

[Supreme]

Why has all your dragon loot been removed then if you didn't "exploit" anything?

All our dragon loot?

Get your facts straight pal-o.

[Slathar]

The only guild that "exploited" dragons was Holocaust.

When you "exploit" you are INTENTIONALLY trying to cause the game to perform with an unintended mechanism. This is done by z-axis, or pathing or ghosting or any other number of ways deemed an "exploit".


When you encounter ANY monster/npc in Everquest there is always the chance that some random event may occur. It may be as simple as the mob pathing between nodes in such a way that it runs away from the group or into a wall.

In unrest i have seen many people pathing mobs around with dots which makes the mobs "ping pong" between pathing nodes.

Does this make it an exploit? YES only if you KNOW that doing it will cause the encounter to perform this way and give you an unfair advantage.

However discovering this "bug" does not require you to immediately disengage, report the bug and leave. You are allowed to continue to play the game. However repeatedly using the bug to your advantage is then called "exploiting".

If you didn't exploit why did GM Lord Emperor Rogean remove your pixels?

Lay off that Cool Ranch bro, shit is drippin'

[Nirgon]

The only guild that "exploited" dragons was Holocaust.

When you "exploit" you are INTENTIONALLY trying to cause the game to perform with an unintended mechanism. This is done by z-axis, or pathing or ghosting or any other number of ways deemed an "exploit".


When you encounter ANY monster/npc in Everquest there is always the chance that some random event may occur. It may be as simple as the mob pathing between nodes in such a way that it runs away from the group or into a wall.

In unrest i have seen many people pathing mobs around with dots which makes the mobs "ping pong" between pathing nodes.

Does this make it an exploit? YES only if you KNOW that doing it will cause the encounter to perform this way and give you an unfair advantage.

However discovering this "bug" does not require you to immediately disengage, report the bug and leave. You are allowed to continue to play the game. However repeatedly using the bug to your advantage is then called "exploiting".

What part of we got the strat from stealing a member from your guild.... and then there's logs posted of 14 of your guys (some of which under lvl 40) makes you think we're the only ones who exploited that dragon?

How your side of the argument has ever been considered, I really wondered. But now? Wait who are you again?

Go wreck some other community, bro.

[Supreme]

vox legit kills confirmed by supreme...

I was there...was you?

[Titanuk]

Nope just seems you guys are a bitter and ungrateful for the fact that you could still be disbanded/banned for all of this.

And yet here you are.....still bitching and trying to witch hunt.

your just trying to hold onto what you can .. pathetic blues i expected better

[Slathar]

I was there...was you?

Supreme = Mezz

[Cwall]

get a load of this guy

is he serious?