Vote for a higher XP Rate!!!!!

[Element]

I don't play red99 anymore since beta.... I noticed that also the Server pop has gone down dramatically ( about 2/3 to 1/2) from what it was. I think this is an issue of experience rate... as I already have had this vote up prior to beta closing, now since you has seen cause and effect first hand, I would liek to take another vote. I for one want it because even if I'm not boxing I want to get characters to level 50 so I can focus on PvPing and getting loot. Or making mid level char's like 30ish and 20 to PVP in but I would like to also try other classes that I normally wouldn't because of the lengthy grind. If I don't see a Exp increase ... it's all good because I plan on getting Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 regardless. But No trollers and serious input / debate appreciated.

[fiegi]

Act 3, Scene 26 and.......... were LIVE


haven't seen this type of thread b4

[The_Prophet]

GM's do not care for your insolence, move it along sister

[Rikimeru]

if there is any experience increase i think it should only be or the first 15ish levels.

[Butthead]

go back to blue pussy

[Rikimeru]

go back to blue pussy

+1 for being retarded

[Lazortag]

This server wasn't made for the VZTZ scrubs, it was made for people who wanted classic pvp. If that's not your cup of tea, you don't have to play.

[SearyxTZ]

Lazortag forever alone grinding gnolls on classic pvp server

[bobo2]

there is no classic pvp im mid 20s and i have been attacked and killed one time

now its just EVERGRIND And hope to be 50 one day on a dead server

up the xp or merge it and flush it

[SearyxTZ]

This server wasn't made for the VZTZ pros, it was made for people who wanted to spend 300 hours grinding. If that's your cup of tea, then join my guild because we don't pvp at all.

[bobo2]

what i want to know are who are the people who are voting AGAINST an exp increase

probably already 50 , or wait , why would you want less people to pvp

why are people so dumb

[fiegi]

Let's make the XP slower so the population flat lines to 1

Lazortag left alone to play with his frogloks

[Harrison]

vztzjects confirmed can't handle real EQ pvp, whine until they get increased xp, they ragequit, or get bann...ohwai-

[bobo2]

bro harrison , whats your stand on xp situation

all you post is trolls

[The_Prophet]

He's just fat, you have to see through the fat and into his sad soul to understand who Harrison truly is

[Rikimeru]

i voted no. i am not level 50, not even close. the only xp increase if any should be for the first 15 levels, so new people dont get discouraged right out of the gate. the reason i picked 15 is because that is when the hybrid classes get the full first tier of spells.

[Lazortag]

Lazortag forever alone grinding gnolls on classic pvp server

I'm not sure where you get this idea that anyone who prefers a classic exp rate is somehow pathetic or has no life. I haven't logged in for a few days because, get this, I have a real life and I go to school full time. I play this game in my spare time, which varies depending on how busy I am. What a hard concept to grasp. However, I am still reasonably high leveled because I know how to manage my time when I do play. Instead of making the game adapt to you, why don't you try adapting to the game?

And even if you were right, this is a red herring because this project was conceived by the staff who wanted to make a classic pvp server. That's their vision. Whatever opinions we may have about what server the other prefers, the fact is that this one is meant to recreate some interpretation of classic eq, and to please the demographic that likes things like boats, slow exp, spell research, etc. It's not a democracy - this server wasn't made for you.

edit: also the jab at my guild is a little unfair. I thought you were civilized but I guess I was wrong. I don't speak for everyone in my guild, I'm sure some of them prefer faster exp, whatever, they're allowed to think what they want. And to say we don't pvp at all is moronic, we vanquish griefers on the regular and I have non-doctored screenshots to prove it (screenshots that I took because I'm a total bro who's totally not insecure about himself)

[bobo2]

this isnt a classic server

its a classic ERA Eq server , meaning pre kunark

its nothing classic at all , they can give us more xp stfu

and anyone with a life or job isnt going to deal with shit xp , period

[fiegi]

The only thing classic about this server are the zones

binding the xp rate to it being 'classic' is a very INTERDASTING concept.

[Butthead]

this isnt a classic server

its a classic ERA Eq server , meaning pre kunark

its nothing classic at all , they can give us more xp stfu

and anyone with a life or job isnt going to deal with shit xp , period


go play starwars

[Juugox2]

the server is not dead you just have no friends.. lol

[xblade724]

jesus why does everyone think it should be a MASSIVE xp boost when someone says xp boost? I was just thinking 1.5x to 2x

[bobo2]

does not matter honestly staff is the same as ccp in eve

they just dont say anything at all

[Vile]

100%

[SearyxTZ]

the demographic that likes things like boats, slow exp, spell research, etc. It's not a democracy - this server wasn't made for you.


How many former VZ/TZ/RZ do you really think are looking for a long slow grind? Do you think that maybe those players enjoyed the PvP part of the game more than the PvE part, and might have skipped playing here in 2012 because we just had to stubbornly cling to this idea of "classic" exp?

[bobo2]

all my friends wanted to play , we are all from rallos

all played beta

all got to level 3 and quit here and just said , no

[SearyxTZ]

Yeah I've said all that before.

Here's another thing: nobody will quit or not play here because it's easier to get to level 30.

If I was not absolutely sure that it would benefit the server, I would not have penned that mini-novel thread about it. Lazor if you want to be "civil" then maybe start by not referring to people as "VZTZ scrubs" which will just put you in the company of Harrison.

[Butthead]

all my friends wanted to play , we are all from rallos

all played beta

all got to level 3 and quit here and just said , no


ok so then leave lol. y ru here posting on these forums. go play starwars wit ur friends loool

[Zallar]

Let's make the XP slower so the population flat lines to 1

Lazortag left alone to play with his frogloks

The plot has been revealed!

Server pop 40, All loots belong to the SPEAR!

[Mafakka]

I think what we can agree on here is that there are way too many fucking options. This is almost an exact replica of the Republican Nominees race....

Romney barely leads Paul barely leads Santorum...

And the rest don't give a fuck.

I think most people would be happy with the 2x over 0x rather than 3x+

[Jirr]

Remember how bans were meaningless with the vztz xp rate that you are calling for? Think it might lead to more exploiting and training if you reduce the xp rate?

[Lazortag]

How many former VZ/TZ/RZ do you really think are looking for a long slow grind? Do you think that maybe those players enjoyed the PvP part of the game more than the PvE part, and might have skipped playing here in 2012 because we just had to stubbornly cling to this idea of "classic" exp?

The slow grind and the pvp part of the game are intertwined. On emu servers with fast exp the strategy was always to just go to some desolate area of Norrath and avoid pvp while PLing yourself and your friends to 50. The people who want a server with more mid-level pvp, where your decisions have consequences, where if your character is banned it actually means something, where you have to have more than a few brain cells to be able to level to 50*, are the people who want classic exp.

Most of you are looking at this the wrong way. The point isn't to level to 50 as soon as possible. You should be happy logging in, dinging once, and then logging off to take a shower or go outside. Only with classic exp can you thoroughly experience different phases of your class's development and not breeze through it like the different levels don't matter. Being a caster with fast exp is meaningless when you can get your next spells in less time than it takes to run to the spell merchant. For a Mage, levels 1-3 are supposed to be the levels where you want to shoot yourself for not having a pet yet. For a Bard, levels 1-7 are the levels where you have to adapt to not having stringed instruments (and levels 35+, where you have to learn to group, or find another efficient soloing method). For an Enchanter, levels 1-11 are the levels where you don't have charm. For every caster, they have to be extra careful for those first 11 levels where they don't have bind, or else they might be in for a hellish corpse run. The game is supposed to test you and force you to adapt to the limitations of your class at different stages of its development. This aspect of the game is completely trivialized with fast exp. It makes no difference that Bards are slow levelers before level 8 (because they can't modify their dot with a lute yet), when the journey to level 8 only takes an hour.

This is a huge part of classic eq. It's not some negligible, tedious annoyance that the devs kept in "just because it's classic". It's actually an important part of what people enjoyed about the game. I don't know how else to explain this.

*(before you say that grinding ability doesn't imply skill, keep in mind it implies the ability to hold a camp for longer and to be able to survive longer. It also tests your ability to level at an efficient rate (read: not solo a light blue every 20 minutes). All of these things require some level of skill)

Lazor if you want to be "civil" then maybe start by not referring to people as "VZTZ scrubs" which will just put you in the company of Harrison.

Oh how dare I insult VZTZers. I should be nicer to people like Wehrmacht, Cast, Littlegyno, Salty, and Doji. All pillars of the eqemu community.

[Sextar]

yes, but you're lumping GOOD people in with Wehrmacht, Cast, Littlegyno, Salty, and Dojii. The rest of the people from that server don't like that.

[Harrison]

I can quite literally not count on more than one hand the amount of quality people from vztz when that shitbox finally croaked.

Searyx was one, but he's quickly crying about experience too much to be taken seriously.

[Barladore]

Just casually logging in and dinging once? Good luck on a melee or hybrid... An increase to exp doesn't invalidate any of your points lazor, no one wants to be able to get to 50 in a week. You cannot deny that the population is declining or that it has declined. It is also pretty clear that it is a result of the slow grind. I don't care about mid-lvl pvp and I cant imagine to many people do. People play here to pvp at 50 and even more so, to pvp with a large population. I was excited to log in and see 400+, 300+ and even 200+ people playing, just hoping that by the time I got to 50 there would STILL be that amount playing.

As it stands now, I have a lvl 35 pally and I don't imagine I'll be 50 for at least another month. I just hope there is enough people still playing to make that month worthwhile and it seems the only way that is possible is with an increase to exp.

[Dullah]

+1 lazors post.

The game means something. yes, we like to pvp, but eliminating the grind eliminates much of the game. You might as well just remove half the zones and dungeons and have everybody meet up at solb and lower guk to duke it out for mana stones and ykeshas. Fuck that, eq is more than that.

[Pokeman]

The slow grind and the pvp part of the game are intertwined. On emu servers with fast exp the strategy was always to just go to some desolate area of Norrath and avoid pvp while PLing yourself and your friends to 50. The people who want a server with more mid-level pvp, where your decisions have consequences, where if your character is banned it actually means something, where you have to have more than a few brain cells to be able to level to 50*, are the people who want classic exp.

Most of you are looking at this the wrong way. The point isn't to level to 50 as soon as possible. You should be happy logging in, dinging once, and then logging off to take a shower or go outside. Only with classic exp can you thoroughly experience different phases of your class's development and not breeze through it like the different levels don't matter. Being a caster with fast exp is meaningless when you can get your next spells in less time than it takes to run to the spell merchant. For a Mage, levels 1-3 are supposed to be the levels where you want to shoot yourself for not having a pet yet. For a Bard, levels 1-7 are the levels where you have to adapt to not having stringed instruments (and levels 35+, where you have to learn to group, or find another efficient soloing method). For an Enchanter, levels 1-11 are the levels where you don't have charm. For every caster, they have to be extra careful for those first 11 levels where they don't have bind, or else they might be in for a hellish corpse run. The game is supposed to test you and force you to adapt to the limitations of your class at different stages of its development. This aspect of the game is completely trivialized with fast exp. It makes no difference that Bards are slow levelers before level 8 (because they can't modify their dot with a lute yet), when the journey to level 8 only takes an hour.

This is a huge part of classic eq. It's not some negligible, tedious annoyance that the devs kept in "just because it's classic". It's actually an important part of what people enjoyed about the game. I don't know how else to explain this.

*(before you say that grinding ability doesn't imply skill, keep in mind it implies the ability to hold a camp for longer and to be able to survive longer. It also tests your ability to level at an efficient rate (read: not solo a light blue every 20 minutes). All of these things require some level of skill)



Oh how dare I insult VZTZers. I should be nicer to people like Wehrmacht, Cast, Littlegyno, Salty, and Doji. All pillars of the eqemu community.

[Mardur]

I'm glad I played a ton when this server came out when there was still competition over exp camps and shit.

[cameroncoolcarter]

I recently joined the server and am now level 10, there are 2 other newbies in the swamp that I have noticed leveling consistently along with me. Hope more keep comin, I like this server! Let's all do our part to keep it alive instead of destroy it.

[Nulak]

Voted no, lv 23 troll warrior. I still can play Wow, Rift, Swtor, "insert random casual themePark game" to be lv max in 3 days.

[Billbike]

I played and enjoyed VZTZ. It was the best PvP EMU of its time.

To hate on VZTZ without having played there yourself is ignorance.

VZTZ was the ONLY refuge for EQ1 "classic" flavored PVP for a couple of years.

I can't deny that I am proud to have played on that old garage box, because when WE were there, where were you?
http://www.ohiochannel.org/UserContent/107797/113562.jpg

[Envious]

I played and enjoyed VZTZ. It was the best PvP EMU of its time.

To hate on VZTZ without having played there yourself is ignorance.

VZTZ was the ONLY refuge for EQ1 "classic" flavored PVP for a couple of years.

I can't deny that I am proud to have played on that old garage box, because when WE were there, where were you?


Your delusional. That server was a horrible sand box of shit.

[Billbike]

Your delusional. That server was a horrible sand box of shit.http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/caw317/objection.jpg

Please explain how you were relevant again?

So while VZTZ was happening, yall were playing WoW? or blue?

True, the box wasn't perfect, but I had no interest in playing wow, blue, or eq live. So where was the classic pvp that was better than VZTZ during its time?

[Lulz Sect]

cry moar nubs NO

[Butthead]

didnt that server jus stop working one day? lolol.
glad i quit it wen i did

[fiegi]

news flash :

this is eqemu,one day this server will meet the same fate

[Lazortag]

news flash :

this is eqemu,one day this server will meet the same fate

I'm pretty sure red99 is here to stay, just like blue99.

[fiegi]

I'm pretty sure red99 is here to stay, just like blue99.

So what your saying is red99 is forever?

[Tombom]

I played and enjoyed VZTZ. It was the best PvP EMU of its time.

To hate on VZTZ without having played there yourself is ignorance.

VZTZ was the ONLY refuge for EQ1 "classic" flavored PVP for a couple of years.

I can't deny that I am proud to have played on that old garage box, because when WE were there, where were you?
http://www.ohiochannel.org/UserContent/107797/113562.jpg

this honorable war veteran gets it, fuck the haters

[xblade724]

Biased votes from those that are already higher lvl, spiting others

[Steaks]

its true , but staff wont touch xp regardless

hence the flocking to blue