stealth nerf to skyfire AE?

[cyryllis]

your target is immune to the stun portion of this effect x 120

not in patch notes....

bug ? intended? not classic....?

[Uthgaard]

That's the risk you run when everyone takes widespread advantage of a bug and doesn't report it.

[Xatava]

this just in - aoe groups are a bug

[Doublestep]

this just in, you want aoe groups you go bard motherfucker

[Uthgaard]

This just in, Xatava fails to understand what happened, yet posts anyway. Officials expect to find the corpse with its foot in its mouth.

[cyryllis]

show me a link somewhere that says the wurms in skyfire are supposed to be immune to stun from back then.

[Doublestep]

show me a link somewhere that says the wurms in skyfire are supposed to be immune to stun from back then.

show me a link that says they aren't?

you have to provide the proof here buddy, server's already changed

[cyryllis]

thats pretty dumb, thats like saying show me a link that says gnolls dont cast 10k aes at level 1....

if they were immune to stun im sure people could find a link much easier

I only find the level 60s wurms were supposed to be stun immune, not the normal wurms

[Xatava]

^ stay out of blackburrow

[Doublestep]

thats pretty dumb, thats like saying show me a link that says gnolls dont cast 10k aes at level 1....

if they were immune to stun im sure people could find a link much easier

I only find the level 60s wurms were supposed to be stun immune, not the normal wurms

No, its nothing of the sort. You're challenging a developer decision, you provide evidence to the contrary. It's quite simple

[cyryllis]

shouldnt they have some data that they made the decision off of? I mean we are trying to mimic classic, so Im assuming they didnt just pull the idea out of thin air. I just am wondering if anyone can provide a reference to this being classic.

Allakhazam only mentions the 60s wurms and the named chromadracs as being immune, and none of the others.

[Doublestep]

... it's like talking to a wall

[Autotune]

I haven't seen anything that suggest kunark wurms are immune to stun or not immune lol.

I'm also tired, but i've looked/googled for a solid 10mins.

I haven't looked at the AE stun spells tho to see if there was a level limit as to what could/couldn't be stunned.

[cyryllis]

well isnt a level limit issue, light blues are immune
giant flagged mobs should be immune to stun from melee, not from spells

[Uthgaard]

All wurms and drakes are immune to normal stun (this includes spells), not just the high level ones, it's part of the race. Whirl is not a normal stun, Flux is. There's a reason there weren't ever ae groups in skyfire on live. Here you all just throw fits about chromadrac range so you can ae better while ignoring the real bugs.

[Humerox]

hmmmm...owned i believe.

[Nagash]

All wurms and drakes are immune to normal stun (this includes spells), not just the high level ones, it's part of the race.

This. I believe it also applies to the giants in Velious, definitely not Classic, not sure about the Kunark ones but I digress.

[Tasslehofp99]

I remember it being like this on live as well, which is why all AE groups were in sebilis.

[falkun]

Sebilis doesn't work here because casters only need LOS to begin a cast, not complete a cast (which is a NON-classic, P99 "feature" specifically implemented to combat abuse of the mechanic by the P99 playerbase). Good luck pulling with Ice Comets raining down on you!

[Orruar]

Wurms were always immune to stun.

[shorttin]

Sebilis doesn't work here because casters only need LOS to begin a cast, not complete a cast (which is a NON-classic, P99 "feature" specifically implemented to combat abuse of the mechanic by the P99 playerbase). Good luck pulling with Ice Comets raining down on you!

worst "feature" ever

[Daldaen]

I can imagine some clerics will be sadface now while gathering shards for their epic...

[Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin]

Ultra sadface.

I honestly had no idea this was a bug. I never heard of it on Live, but I'd never played any of the classes needed to AoE. I'd never heard of AoE groups ANYWHERE before I came to P99.

Am I digging the hole deeper?

[Uthgaard]

I can imagine some clerics will be sadface now while gathering shards for their epic...

If this server went to luclin maybe. Cleric epic doesn't involve skyfire here.

[Daldaen]

Hrmm, you don't need to give the Pearlescent Shards to Zordak in Sol B? I thought the change from classic -> late velious? epic changes was you could spawn it on your own in Skyfire instead of having it be a timer bitch confliction with naggy in Sol B.

[Uthgaard]

Shards do not exist on P99.

[Doublestep]

Yeah, I remember having to play my mom's cleric because she was sick while the guild was running her everywhere to get her epic, definitely don't remember skyfire anywhere

[Szeth]

Now I know why Diggle's is the way he is.

[Doublestep]

Diggles' damnit

[Szeth]

What is your damnit?

[Doublestep]

What is Diggle's damnit?

[Szeth]

If you heard him on TS you would know.

[nilbog]

As far as Skyfire AE groups, I never saw any on live either.. and that's most likely due to inability to stun. By all means look up classic data and support your argument if you believe this is incorrect.

Sebilis doesn't work here because casters only need LOS to begin a cast, not complete a cast (which is a NON-classic, P99 "feature" specifically implemented to combat abuse of the mechanic by the P99 playerbase).

Just because you say something is a p99-specific feature doesn't mean it's true. :P

This thread had some discussion. If you believe these people are in error, discuss there.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29594

[Szeth]

Also confirmed we AoE'd seb last week. No RBG's or SBC's yet but it will happen after epics I'm sure.

[Autotune]

worst "feature" ever

As far as Skyfire AE groups, I never saw any on live either.. and that's most likely due to inability to stun. By all means look up classic data and support your argument if you believe this is incorrect.



Just because you say something is a p99-specific feature doesn't mean it's true. :P

This thread had some discussion. If you believe these people are in error, discuss there.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29594

I was just kinda wondering why the guardian wurms outside VP are listed as immune to stuns?

If it's a racial thing, why would anyone bother to mention it just on the lvl 60 wurms and not on the lower lvl normal ones?

I searched some more last night after i posted, i found 1 post listed under a google search that had some info about all giant sized creatures being immune to stuns but i couldn't click it because my anti-virus flagged the link as malicious. It didn't state wurms under it, but I could see how they would be flagged as "giant sized"

[Uthgaard]

The most noteworthy mobs tend to aggregate the most comments.

Like others with the drake model in Skyfire, it cannot be mesmerised or stunned because it is flagged as giant. (http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=4138)

This generalized statement isn't on every page for every drake listed in the zone, but it doesn't make it any less true.

[Autotune]

The most noteworthy mobs tend to aggregate the most comments.



This generalized statement isn't on every page for every drake listed in the zone, but it doesn't make it any less true.

ah i was looking for "a wurm" and wurm models, not the drakes, but i didn't know they were flagged as giants either lol.

[Gwence]

why did this take 8 months to implement?

This is done and gone lol, people already got there levels from this multiple times over.

This change would've made more sense a week or 2 after kunark release.

[nilbog]

why did this take 8 months to implement?

This is done and gone lol, people already got there levels from this multiple times over.

This change would've made more since a week or 2 after kunark release.

Why didn't you report it, lol.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/season_14/sp_1411_clip02.jpg?width=200&sa=X&ei=BqQET8K8IMqWtwfZoICYDw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEhUBPS_v6XbwTzD3z552wMjifk0g

And btw, it's done and gone for you personally. The pvp server will have Kunark....

[Doublestep]

Oh lord, leave it in for Red. The fighting for aoe camps would be epic

[Doublestep]

root the puller

[Gwence]

wasn't a complaint as much as a general query

[Nirgon]

AOE's would murder group mates. Don't be talking about red in these parts my sons.

[Uthgaard]

wasn't a complaint as much as a general query

Find one bug report about it. You'll find plenty of raging about chromadrac ranges by Trystych and your other guildmates however. You know, the same guy who reported all of the bugs in charasis after using them to get to 60 while the next highest player was 54.

That pesky range was making aoeing a bit tricky.

[Autotune]

Why didn't you report it, lol.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/season_14/sp_1411_clip02.jpg?width=200&sa=X&ei=BqQET8K8IMqWtwfZoICYDw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEhUBPS_v6XbwTzD3z552wMjifk0g

And btw, it's done and gone for you personally. The pvp server will have Kunark....

I don't think many people knew that it was a bug to report. I know I didn't know lol.

I suppose there were a select few who knew and abused the bug. The majority probably didn't know and used it, knew about it but didn't know about the SF AE groups, or just plan didn't know and didn't use AE groups.

[Splorf22]

Where are the links to wurms being immune to stun?

[Gwence]

dont give in to hatred uthgaard

[JayDee]

this took way too fucking long to nerf imo

[Raavak]

Yah, I didn't know it was a bug. I just assumed people "did" ae SF on Live, though I never specifically recalled it (and I didn't play a required class for it). Things only tend to stand out as bugs when they suck as a player. Kind of a "Murphys Law for computer gaming", lol.

[Slave]

the same guy who reported all of the bugs in charasis after using them to get to 60 while the next highest player was 54.


Replace the words "charasis," "60," and "54," with "Red server," "50," and "44," and this post is about Lovely and Co.

I am disheartened by the loss of the AOE groups in Skyfire even though I have never been part of one; it is like a piece of the world that made it unique is now gone. I get the feeling that there wasn't much information either way regarding this; the developers just seem to tend to err on the side of gimping the living shit out of us whenever they see people getting ahead faster or with a different method than they'd like.

[Nirgon]

You can still aoe group in other zones.

Wow.

[Lazortag]

You can still aoe group in other zones.

Wow.

Seriously. I for one always loved Howling Stones ae groups. They're also way more inclusive because you don't need to have only wizards aeing (you can use druids/clerics/mages). I bet Chardok ae groups would be fun too.

[Orruar]

Seriously. I for one always loved Howling Stones ae groups. They're also way more inclusive because you don't need to have only wizards aeing (you can use druids/clerics/mages). I bet Chardok ae groups would be fun too.

I've seen chardok ae groups on this server. The pathing here actually makes them rather easy if you do it right. Just don't do it while someone is camping betrayer...

Is there anything stopping people from ae'ing KC besides how populated it is?

[Nirgon]

Is there anything stopping people from ae'ing KC besides how populated it is?

Being very, very busy complaining about skyfire.

[Motec]

Sebilis doesn't work here because casters only need LOS to begin a cast, not complete a cast (which is a NON-classic, P99 "feature" specifically implemented to combat abuse of the mechanic by the P99 playerbase). Good luck pulling with Ice Comets raining down on you!

Negative.

On live the proper casting mechanisms were not implimented until deep into velious. Nothing should cast ice comet right now. At most you used to get force shock and crap like that.

On live AE groups in seb were never a problem because at most with jboot you were hit about 10 times.

P99's caster mechanics are f*cked on both counts though.

[cyryllis]

the above post is entirely as i remember it. "smart" casting was a later addition, when they changed caster mob AI

they used to try and root and use random other nukes instead all the time

[Lazortag]

On live AE groups in seb were never a problem because at most with jboot you were hit about 10 times.

...Why should you ever get hit? Just pull using eye of zomm or coh with a dot/pet or something.

[Tuffpuppy]

Negative.

On live the proper casting mechanisms were not implimented until deep into velious. Nothing should cast ice comet right now. At most you used to get force shock and crap like that.

On live AE groups in seb were never a problem because at most with jboot you were hit about 10 times.

P99's caster mechanics are f*cked on both counts though.

Yup. Zoned into Chardok. Got 1 hit by a zone in mob casting ice comet. Was one of the last times I logged in. Classic would be fun, custom classic not so much.

[Seaweedpimp]

lol at people gettin hit with ice comet. That shit is too easy to resist and my CR is GARBAGE.

[Messianic]

Casters do tend to act a LOT more intelligently on this server than on live in terms of their spell choices.

[Orruar]

lol at people gettin hit with ice comet. That shit is too easy to resist and my CR is GARBAGE.

It's hit or miss, literally. With 161 CR, I'll resist 3/4 ice comets from a level 50 mob, but the one that gets through hurts.

[DoucLangur]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/season_14/sp_1411_clip02.jpg?width=200&sa=X&ei=BqQET8K8IMqWtwfZoICYDw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEhUBPS_v6XbwTzD3z552wMjifk0g


Captain Hindsight ftw! :D