How long?

[Lemons]

How long until we keep slowly introducing what worked on vztz to red99 until we are pretty much the same as vztz?

there was a reason people played on vztz, cause it worked...


There is 2 sides to this server, the keep it classic side and the make it work side.

classic and pvp just doesnt work. we need to stop this meeting in the middle bullshit between classic and what works. there is no middle ground.

Either go full on work, put your classic highground to the side and lets make this work.

What we are doing right now is beta, when its live, and we are leaking players like crazy due to this. how long and how many players until we finally realize its time to stop the classic mentality and make it work?

[Rikimeru]

if vztz worked so well where is it now?

[Snufz]

Dont feed troll

[Rikimeru]

its a serious question. did you guys ever think that the population is low and getting lower due to some of the players on the server and not the server options? not everyone likes getting trained and bind camped. look at what happened to the live pvp servers. the more people started training others and bind campign the lower the population got. there are not nearly as many people playing emu as were playing the live servers, so you see the effects a lot quicker on the emu.

[Lazortag]

How long until we keep slowly introducing what worked on vztz to red99 until we are pretty much the same as vztz?

there was a reason people played on vztz, cause it worked...


What? No one played on vztz. You had like 80 people online every day, half of which were two-boxed.

[Mabash]

What? No one played on vztz. You had like 80 people online every day, half of which were two-boxed.

I had fun on VZTZ. After it got wiped, I stopped, but that's besides the point.

Edit: And I didn't two box either

[Envious]

Like 70 people played VZ/TZ at its height...

The other part of the 250+ chars were 3boxes and Brainz solo box raid group.

[Lemons]

vztz died because of poor management, its actually why we got excited when project1999 decided to get involved with a pvp server. We saw a team of individuals that were dedicated to a clean server.

The perfect fresh start.


I for one didnt foresee however all the problems "classic" pvp was going to cause, and then the ongoing tweaking of non classic to the middle of the road shit while its still broken and barely functions any different from pre-fix all in the name of keeping it classic.

I just dont see the point anymore? we keep edging farther and farther away from non classic, lets just stop beating around the bush and fix it.

Fuck classic, it sucked.

[Dfn]

Fuck classic, it sucked.

Then shut the fuck up and wait until expansion number 24.

[Lemons]

Then shut the fuck up and wait until expansion number 24.

i love classic, but the problem with classic is that it wasnt perfect, which it needs to be to have as fair as possible pvp.

[Ninja]

i love classic, but it needs to have as fair as possible pvp.

Not possible.

[Lemons]

Not possible.

your right, but we can make it to a point were people are not leaving over things that could be simply fixed. and give the appearance that it is fixed.

That's what the people need, not a fair server, but a server they see as fair.

It's as simple as tweaking a few things.

[Ninja]

Any thing that will help pop is what will help the server the most, it's a domino effect.

People leave, then there is less people to group with.

People who can't find groups leave, pop is even lower.

People look at pop on server list and don't even bother to start, EVEN less people to group with in the future.

Cycle continues

[mourning]

Its fine man. Classic is classic. Its fucking Everquest Bro Doggie. What did u expect?


TREAT IT AS A BEAR GRYLLS SIMULATOR.

[Xix]

Its fine man. Classic is classic. Its fucking Everquest Bro Doggie. What did u expect?


TREAT IT AS A BEAR GRYLLS SIMULATOR.

There were a ton less people playing at this stage during blue.
Server is a success.

[georgie]

sounds like the classic WHY IS MY PET DISAPPEARING WHEN I ZONE. from a mage.

[Ninja]

There were a ton less people playing at this stage during blue.
Server is a success.

Touche

[Zigfreed]

i love classic, but the problem with classic is that it wasnt perfect, which it needs to be to have as fair as possible pvp.


Wow.. ok so both the heights and the lows of EVERQUEST come from the fact that the various classes do different things and thus need to get together in order to accomplish bigtime fun. Sadly this means that the various classes have different abilities and thus suck in various ways with some sucking more than others in... etc etc etc

TL:DR EQ PVP will never be about fair and equal. Play to your strengths.

[Labanen]

Wow.. ok so both the heights and the lows of EVERQUEST come from the fact that the various classes do different things and thus need to get together in order to accomplish bigtime fun. Sadly this means that the various classes have different abilities and thus suck in various ways with some sucking more than others in... etc etc etc

TL:DR EQ PVP will never be about fair and equal. Play to your strengths.

^ this guy gets eq. Now quit complaining and learn how to play.

[Sirken]

EQ PVP will never be about fair and equal. Play to your strengths.

EQ is not suppose to be balanced, thats what made it great. you had options. if you want to play on easy mode, you can roll a mage. but if you enjoy a challenge you can play a rogue or a gay elf ranger.

so many people forget that EQ is about the journey, not just racing top level and running around fragging each other. i mean, this isn't Call of Duty, and it's not suppose to feel like Call of Duty; its suppose to feel like EverQuest.

some of you race to 50, realize theres really no one in range to kill or group or raid with, get bored, and quit. try enjoying the game instead of trying to win the game.

Rogean and Nilbog are the only people that can win EQ.

[Sirken]

if vztz worked so well where is it now?

at Gronkus's house

(still too soon?)

[Amelinda]

so many people forget that EQ is about the journey, not just racing top level and running around fragging each other. i mean, this isn't Call of Duty, and it's not suppose to feel like Call of Duty; its suppose to feel like EverQuest.

some of you race to 50, realize theres really no one in range to kill or group or raid with, get bored, and quit. try enjoying the game instead of trying to win the game.

Rogean and Nilbog are the only people that can win have won EQ.

efff. i give up

[Cast]

Rogean and Nilbog are the only people that can win have won EQ.

fail

[Amelinda]

fail

then you tell me how to do it if you are so smart :P

[Jirr]

then you tell me how to do it if you are so smart :P

You ban cast and win the forums obviously.

[Lemons]

all you losers totally missed the point,

it's not about being actually fair, its the image of being fair, and if all that takes if a few tweaks and shit. so be it, fuck the classic mentality.

yes pets shouldnt poof on zone. simple things like this.

[Dojii]

How long until we keep slowly introducing what worked on vztz to red99 until we are pretty much the same as vztz?

there was a reason people played on vztz, cause it worked...


There is 2 sides to this server, the keep it classic side and the make it work side.

classic and pvp just doesnt work. we need to stop this meeting in the middle bullshit between classic and what works. there is no middle ground.

Either go full on work, put your classic highground to the side and lets make this work.

What we are doing right now is beta, when its live, and we are leaking players like crazy due to this. how long and how many players until we finally realize its time to stop the classic mentality and make it work?

VZTZ was never classic. it functioned off the titanium client. spell sets, ui, bug fixes, etc.

However I still see what you're trying to say. But preservation of PVP should be the main issue. Anything that defeats good PVP should be removed. Insta gate potions, Insta fuck Direct Damage clicks, etc, etc. Otherwise your box is doomed lololol

[Lemons]

ffs thank you doji for seeing it my way. or atleast understanding what im saying and coming from. instead of writing it off as me finding the game to hard.

i assure you all i dont find this game to hard, infact i find this server more then playable. The problem is not as many people are as thick skinned as me.

This the problem we have, and its an image one.

When players poopsock to 50 using supposed exploits, which imo are not exploits. but they are precieved by the general public to be so. wands, swords, harvest, on and on and on. Stuff that was later tweaked to make more fair.

People left because they were basically cheated out of leveling that way.

the devs on server up knew about this stuff but since it was classic they left it in. Eventually came to there senses but not before people left over it.

This is my point, stop beating around the bush and slowly fixing the bullshit.
lets stop this middle ground bullshit and lets fix the dumb shit before we lose more players of this.

another example, SK armor quests, taken out after a select few people did them already.

The few get the advantage and then its taken out.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEAVE OVER THIS.


we need to balls up and jump to the real problem, the wait and see attitude, lets fucking fix it NOW.

[Ninja]

yes pets shouldnt poof on zone. simple things like this.

lol wha? :confused:

[Uthgaard]

ffs thank you doji for seeing it my way. or atleast understanding what im saying and coming from. instead of writing it off as me finding the game to hard.

i assure you all i dont find this game to hard, infact i find this server more then playable. The problem is not as many people are as thick skinned as me.

This the problem we have, and its an image one.

When players poopsock to 50 using supposed exploits, which imo are not exploits. but they are precieved by the general public to be so. wands, swords, harvest, on and on and on. Stuff that was later tweaked to make more fair.

People left because they were basically cheated out of leveling that way.

the devs on server up knew about this stuff but since it was classic they left it in. Eventually came to there senses but not before people left over it.

This is my point, stop beating around the bush and slowly fixing the bullshit.
lets stop this middle ground bullshit and lets fix the dumb shit before we lose more players of this.

another example, SK armor quests, taken out after a select few people did them already.

The few get the advantage and then its taken out.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEAVE OVER THIS.


we need to balls up and jump to the real problem, the wait and see attitude, lets fucking fix it NOW.

I see lots of we, but all I hear is wah. You talk about things that need fixed, but only list things that have been. Try posting things that haven't been identified, then someone might take you seriously.

Until that time, it's just whining - far from original, anything but seminal.

[Reikerx]

at Gronkus's house

(still too soon?)

hehe

[Lemons]

I see lots of we, but all I hear is wah. You talk about things that need fixed, but only list things that have been. Try posting things that haven't been identified, then someone might take you seriously.

Until that time, it's just whining - far from original, anything but seminal.

are you kidding me? just browse a few posts. It's all over the place.

[Kassel]

Its cute that you think your opinion matters. They wanted to make a classic pvp server, and they did. If you dont want to play classic eq then dont

[Uthgaard]

are you kidding me? just browse a few posts. It's all over the place.

Yet you chose to list none in your post, and still decline to do so - opting instead to show your stellar hindsight. If you had a relevant point to make, you'd have made it with relevant examples.

Instead you're 0 for 2.

[Scrooge]

I see lots of we, but all I hear is wah.

Classic!

[Psykes]

dont let my post counts have any bearing on what i state here, I dont speak that often....

Only going to say this once, this server was put up because the community felt there was a need for it, people whining/complaining etc is what causes servers to fail. At some point the dev's get fed up with it all and just give up. IE: Secrets on Mortalquest.

If that is what your trying to accomplish, your 75% of the way there, congrats

[Lemons]

Yet you chose to list none in your post, and still decline to do so - opting instead to show your stellar hindsight. If you had a relevant point to make, you'd have made it with relevant examples.

Instead you're 0 for 2.

+1 to forum points for you i guess, your a good troll.

arn't you that guy who was so terrible at GMing they had to take it away from you though? I have heard you were like a cross walk guard walking around with the nuts the size of a cop.

[EverquestJunkie]

I have heard you were like a cross walk guard walking around with the nuts the size of a cop.

Hes a clever one with words =d

But I think its pretty clear for the most part some more communication between Rogean - the community would be a Great start in resolving some issues.

How ever It works out,
Its still a great idea and a enjoyable experience. :)

[Uthgaard]

Not clever enough to list a single issue to make his point given three opportunities.

You have open forums for discussion of bugs and current issues. Those issues get addressed. Then you create a thread about issues that have already been resolved, alluding to future issues that no one can name, and you want Rogean to respond to it?

Clicking post thread and spewing forth incoherent and inaccurate nonsense does not warrant a response.

[Shrubwise]

:)

[Envious]

Yet you chose to list none in your post, and still decline to do so - opting instead to show your stellar hindsight. If you had a relevant point to make, you'd have made it with relevant examples.

Instead you're 0 for 2.

Relevant / valid points that are good, usually just get trolled into the ground.

The only thing pro about the population of this server / forum, is the quality of trolling. It is amazing.