Sword of Runes - broken/overpowered?

[Scrooge]

Anyone else agree that the Summoned: Sword of Runes (lvl 29 mage spell), being able to proc on any target, mob or player for 41 or less unresistable damage is broken and overpowered?

The proc itself (as per current ZAM data) is a lvl 8 spell, Ward Summoned, which shouldn't even exceed 14 damage, and should only target summoned mobs exclusively, just like Ward Undead should only hit the undead.

I know many people here will say, "hey...that's the way it was in classic!, and only fixed during Velius era." Just cause it was broken on Eqlive, doesn't mean it should be broken on every other progression type server too.

There are many things that weren't fixed/taken out in "classic" that were taken out here already for the sake of balance! Those overpowered insta-cast AE Wands were classic, and they were taken out right?

[Doors]

Please shut the fuck up about this already. They just got nerfed and to be honest weren't even a big deal in the first place.

[nilbog]

Anyone else agree that the Summoned: Sword of Runes (lvl 29 mage spell), being able to proc on any target, mob or player for 41 or less unresistable damage is broken and overpowered?

The proc itself (as per current ZAM data) is a lvl 8 spell, Ward Summoned, which shouldn't even exceed 14 damage, and should only target summoned mobs exclusively, just like Ward Undead should only hit the undead.

I know many people here will say, "hey...that's the way it was in classic!, and only fixed during Velius era." Just cause it was broken on Eqlive, doesn't mean it should be broken on every other progression type server too.

There are many things that weren't fixed/taken out in "classic" that were taken out here already for the sake of balance! Just to name a few:

-Those overpowered insta-cast AE Wands were classic, and they were taken out right?

-The Pet XP 75% penalty for soloing pet classes that do not outdps their own pets wasn't put in into P99 until very recently, yet Red99 started with it.

-What about mobs not dropping player-given items? Like weapons or anything else for that matter. That's how it was in classic after all.

-Druid/Necro Charm being MR based

The sword discussion by itself is fine. Using ad hominem arguments for most of your examples weakens the discussion for me. :P

Not everything is always developed on time, and there are continuously new features being added. Lots of them are overdue.

-The Pet XP 75% penalty for soloing pet classes that do not outdps their own pets wasn't put in into P99 until very recently, yet Red99 started with it.
It was implemented on both servers at the same time, because r99 is an exact copy of p99, minus timeline differences and pvp. This has absolutely nothing to do with sword of runes, or trying to nerf pvp players over pve.

-What about mobs not dropping player-given items? Like weapons or anything else for that matter. That's how it was in classic after all.This is just a bug. Has nothing to do with sword of runes. Developers have looked into fixing it more than once. It's a complicated fix because it opens up the possibilities for item exploits.

This is the first time it's been asked of me... do I personally think the sword of runes should proc on any npc? I do for a classic museum, yes. For actual gameplay? No.

If the majority of players think it should be removed, this is a non-classic 'pick and choose' change I'm comfortable with making because they add X amount of dmg to any fight.

There was lots of complaints before.. about how 'we didn't add sword of runes procs on all npcs because we arbitrarily choosing classic elements'. Now, the exact same argument is made in opposition of them.

At the end of the day, people will blame the developers either way. So, people reading this, stay the fuck on topic and not try to relate this topic to everything else you think is wrong. With the last patch, the procrate on the swords was changed to its classical rate. After the patch, how does everyone feel about it?

Sword of Runes is the topic.

[conFIGured]

Hmmm at one point, if i remember correctly, I thought the swords procced on anything as long as it was in a pets hand and not a PC. Then they changed that so it only procced on what the spell required it to. I have no evidence to back this up, only 10 year old resinated memories...

[Lemons]

this post upsets me.

[mitic]

since its been nerfed it should be good now so at least the casuals have a chance to take some benefit out of it too now till it will be changed in some months.

there is just one thing that made me mad about all of this: only insiders did know about this so I'd recommend to make an own spreadsheet on p99 wiki about all classical changes made and when those changes will be rolled back. same with drops like guise, manastone etc

[Autotune]

since its been nerfed it should be good now so at least the casuals have a chance to take some benefit out of it too now till it will be changed in some months.

there is just one thing that made me mad about all of this: only insiders did know about this so I'd recommend to make an own spreadsheet on p99 wiki about all classical changes made and when those changes will be rolled back. same with drops like guise, manastone etc

dude, you guys ask so much and give so little.

Also, what do you mean "only insiders knew"? Everyone who has seen a pet on blue knew. The rune sword proc was not a secret by any means.

[lethdar]

Procs about once per 30 seconds, not op doesn't matter.

[Nirgon]

The proc itself (as per current ZAM data) is a lvl 8 spell, Ward Summoned, which shouldn't even exceed 14 damage, and should only target summoned mobs exclusively, just like Ward Undead should only hit the undead.


The 14 dmg bit hurts your argument a lils. This proc correctly should be doing 38-45dmg (iirc) or w/e it does now, not 14.

As far as proccing, seemed like a bug to me that they fixed once but left out pets. Then they finally fixed it on pets, but it took them quite awhile. I defer of course to the devs on this grayer area.

What *should* be fixed is animals being able to use swords (shaman pets, charmed elephants/griffs/dogs). If you can't visibly wield a weapon you shouldn't proc it. I don't remember too many animal type npcs that drop'd proc weapons off the top of my head but I'm very certain I never saw people doing this with shaman pets, only ENC/NEC/MAG.

[mourning]

Um... No. they are fine now.


14 dmg, what are you, new?

[Scrooge]

All I did was give a comparison of the proc as it is now, to the spell it's based off of.

Like say, the Staff of Writhing proc is the lvl 8 Enchanter DD; Chaotic Feedback and maxes out at the proper number.

[Scrooge]

I like EQ cause its a difficult game, regardless of how much a change like those swords no longer procin for example, would slow my own progress down.

Most contemporary PVP games lack true difficulty and challenge, its all about who can out spam the next person instead of using their minds.

[Slave]

I think that the Sword of Runes, and anything else that is questionably overpowered, needs to be left in. If there's a question at all about something being too cool for school, it's just not overpowered enough to worry about, and you could end up harming the unique and original gameplay that is all we have left of the original EverQuest.

Seriously, most changes you have been doing these days are taking us farther and farther away from EverQuest and more and more into P99Custom. That is not how you started, and not why most of us are on this server. Get back to your ROOTS, guys!

[Nirgon]

What *should* be fixed is animals being able to use swords (shaman pets, charmed elephants/griffs/dogs). If you can't visibly wield a weapon you shouldn't proc it. I don't remember too many animal type npcs that drop'd proc weapons off the top of my head but I'm very certain I never saw people doing this with shaman pets, only ENC/NEC/MAG.

[Szeth]

Seriously? Quoting yourself?

[Scrooge]

For those who might not know about it, the Sword of Runes proc WAS fixed on EqLive to work as intended (procin only on summoned mobs), during the Velious expansion. It IS bugged the way it is now, and the only reason it hasn't been automatically fixed by the Devs is because of the classic progression timeline. It doesn't mean it's not broken the way it is now...

The way it is right now is basically like having a legit duping machine for non-lore proc weapons like SSOY, it's absurd. Instead of it taking effort to obtain strong weapons, all you have to do is cast a lvl 29 spell and you're all done! It's way too easy..

[Daefuin]

Holy shit. You're STILL bitching about sword of runes? Please, do us all a favor and go drink a quart of motor oil.

[Scrooge]

...some people don't like EQ classic without broken shit.

Well said.

[Szeth]

The way it is right now is basically like having a legit duping machine for non-lore proc weapons like SSOY, it's absurd.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Knuckle]

Hmmm at one point, if i remember correctly, I thought the swords procced on anything as long as it was in a pets hand and not a PC. Then they changed that so it only procced on what the spell required it to. I have no evidence to back this up, only 10 year old resinated memories...

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your a pathetic ass troll, all u do is sit on here and talk shit to nobody? LOLOLOLOLOL pathetic

[Nirgon]

It's a bug that they removed. I'm of the opinion it should not exist because it is a bug not an item or quest that was removed. Hate me all you want.

[Goobles]

Let's get back to basics here...

It procs Ward Summoned.

Make it proc on what its intended to.

And it's not 'fixed', contrary to what is #2 post.

[jjgerman]

shoulda just gave everyone on server instant level 50



and no... summoned swords dont proc once every 30 seconds, try 3-5 times every 30 seconds.

was completly out of line, and stupid


i understand u all want easy leveling, just read the first line of my post

average server pop is like 200 now, gratz... morons

[Potus]

Sword of Runes to me shouldn't be nerfed because seriously, what summoned weapon has any value? Does anyone really care that pets dps goes up by a percent and they're better able to taunt as a result?

Come on.

[Goobles]

Quoting self to make everyone else sound stupid for trying to make an excuse why this exploit/bug should remain in the game.


Let's get back to basics here...

It procs Ward Summoned.

Make it proc on what its intended to.

And it's not 'fixed', contrary to what is #2 post.

[Potus]

Quoting self to make everyone else sound stupid for trying to make an excuse why this exploit/bug should remain in the game.

My spell says "Fear" but it doesn't work on pcs? Going to quote myself to make everyone else sound stupid for trying to make an excuse why this exploit/bug should remain in the game.

[Goobles]

My spell says "Fear" but it doesn't work on pcs? Going to quote myself to make everyone else sound stupid for trying to make an excuse why this exploit/bug should remain in the game.

As per your pathetic argument, Fear did work on players in the beginning. It would also satisfy this argument


"hey...that's the way it was in classic!, and only fixed during Velius era."


Also, the spell "Fear" is functioning properly, just nixed in use vs. players.

[gnomishfirework]

Take swords out, people are gonna complain. Leave them in, people are gonna complain.

I believe they fixed the proc rate which was the big issue.

At this point, I think it's staying until it was fixed on classic timeline.

No one complained on p99. It's the same over there.

[Mafakka]

Proc: Ward Summoned.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=248&source=Test

[webrunner5]

Why don't we just delete all Magicians from the game. They have been nerfed as far as I am concerned the most of any class in P1999.

In the original game you could not get a group if your life depended on you as a Mage. So now 12 years later everyone figured out they where stupid not to have made one and lets nerf the hell out of them. RIGHT.

[Authority]

At this point, you MUST leave it in game. Too many people have abused the shit out of it. it would be ridiculous to take it out and let just a few of the chosen abuse it.

[Nirgon]

Look it needs to go dude. I have friends grouping with mages right now. Right now it allows lvl 24 pets to do as much damage as or more than a 50 warrior. Pets are already able to reliably hit things that would be 4+ levels to them. The proc is completely unresistable.

It is broken in pve AND pvp. So what some people used it to level? I've played MMOs long enough to know there's people who exploit to get ahead and usually they stay ahead. This doesn't mean the bug needs to remain and shit things up more.

[nilbog]

At this point, you MUST leave it in game. Too many people have abused the shit out of it. it would be ridiculous to take it out and let just a few of the chosen abuse it.

This principle doesn't work in real life, or video game life.

[Nirgon]

I'd think and hope this is a scenario where the devs say "I know why you all want to keep this" but it has to go :P. Bugs like these aren't "content" and certainly weren't ever announced as intended.

[Billbike]

At this point it's damage control. Pop is suffering the biblically long grind while a few sploited to 50 and proclaimed victory.

Steroids are illegal and any champion who is caught is punished and he should lose his belt.

Remove exploit.

Rollback the known exploiters and take away all their illegally farmed gear.

Happy grinding!

[Billbike]

Seems to be a strange pattern emerging in who is defending the exploit in this thread.

http://www.collegenowlive.com/IMAGES/ImagesPEARL/A-Beautiful-Mind.jpg

[Potus]

Is pet taunt ever going to be fixed? There's no reason pet taunt should be so pathetic.

[Nirgon]

LOT of crying about classic EQ in here re: classic xp.

I can see why most didn't have lvl 50s in 99 (yet continued to post during beta for how shit should work?).

[Goobles]

A permanent solution that I would be in favor of is removing this, wiping the server, and implementing a permanent 15-35% xp boost.

All the things that were supposed to be 'tested' and removed were actually 'tested' and exploited on the launch. All the 'elites' will come back to regain their elite status, don't worry... and other people who have left the server because of the exploiters will come back too.

Treat as Beta 2.0

[Dfn]

Nah, server is fine. Stop whining. If you couldn't keep up the first time, you won't keep up the 3rd or 4th or 5th.

[Goobles]

Nah, server is fine. Stop whining. If you couldn't keep up the first time, you won't keep up the 3rd or 4th or 5th.

Gimme mage swords + special wands.

[Billbike]

Wtb exploiter rollbacks and farmed gear strip, paying red1999 career.

Do something about http://rightoffthebatbook.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/barry-bonds-juice.jpg?w=600&h=365

[Dfn]

Gimme mage swords + special wands.

1. Mage swords weren't an exploit.
2. Tons of people are higher than you without using mage swords. Want me to start listing names?
3. Only two people got 2 levels from wands.

Whats your next excuse for being awful? Coming on to the forums complaining like you're the hot shit and only fell behind because everyone cheated... You're awful and would fail again.

[Goobles]

1. Mage swords weren't an exploit.
2. Tons of people are higher than you without using mage swords. Want me to start listing names?
3. Only two people got 2 levels from wands.

Whats your next excuse for being awful? Coming on to the forums complaining like you're the hot shit and only fell behind because everyone cheated... You're awful and would fail again.

omg I feel so shitty now that it's proven that I'm a terrible player. You don't even know who I am. I should stop trying to advocate changes that would help the population of the server.. /wrist

/Hole

[Billbike]

1. Mage swords weren't an exploit.
2. Tons of people are higher than you without using mage swords. Want me to start listing names?
3. Only two people got 2 levels from wands.

Whats your next excuse for being awful? Coming on to the forums complaining like you're the hot shit and only fell behind because everyone cheated... You're awful and would fail again.

Mage swords functioning as originally intended?
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o48/parkertoons/CC070710.gif
It's just a big ole conspiracy huh?

[Dfn]

Procrate was bugged but that isn't an exploit, lol. It has worked the same way on the blue server and in beta. Once bug was confirmed it was removed, why cry about something so trivial? There are tons of people 45-50 that didn't use them, so ehat's your excuse?

I don't know who you are and I don't really care. As far as I'm concerned you're just another scrub crying for wipes because you got bullied and want another do-over.

The only real change your advocating for is increased exp. Removing sword of runes post nerf and server wipes are just lolworthy.

[Cast]

Procrate was bugged but that isn't an exploit, lol. It has worked the same way on the blue server and in beta. Once bug was confirmed it was removed, why cry about something so trivial? There are tons of people 45-50 that didn't use them, so ehat's your excuse?

I don't know who you are and I don't really care. As far as I'm concerned you're just another scrub crying for wipes because you got bullied and want another do-over.

The only real change your advocating for is increased exp. Removing sword of runes post nerf and server wipes are just lolworthy.

Don't you or Darwoth have some hatecrimes to be committing?

[Billbike]

Proc rate was bugged.

Summoned dd was bugged.

Bypassing /played time in THiS environment cannot be tolerated.
Server moral is dropping. Server population is dropping. People bragging about looting consecutive manastones while the other 97% are grinding their eyeballs out doesn't look good.

I know I feel like grinding to ding 16 when I get home from work, especially after seeing the exploiters gain such a HUGE advantage in the arms-race that is eq.

Someone really dropped the ball if nothing is to be done.

[keto]

It will be months before planes and temple are added, there is time to level up and get gear at a casual rate.

A small group of players (6-12) that are moderately active will have plenty of time to get leveled and geared up while PvPing and having fun while the current list of diaperquesters that are bored and crying will have long quit.

Stay strong. Once there are level 50's crawling around there will be random twinking of friends also, the grind is definitely scaring a lot of people.

[Dfn]

Yeah. Mr. Bigshot level 16 being held down only because everyone who is higher level is a cheater. Thats going to win you a lot of arguments.

Fuck off with your self-entitled ass crying about others playing more and now reaping the rewards in less competition over camps.

[Ninja]

It will be months before planes and temple are added, there is time to level up and get gear at a casual rate.

A small group of players (6-12) that are moderately active will have plenty of time to get leveled and geared up while PvPing and having fun while the current list of diaperquesters that are bored and crying will have long quit.

Stay strong. Once there are level 50's crawling around there will be random twinking of friends also, the grind is definitely scaring a lot of people.

^
This, people act likes it's too late.

[Billbike]

Yeah. Mr. Bigshot level 16 being held down only because everyone who is higher level is a cheater. Thats going to win you a lot of arguments.

Fuck off with your self-entitled ass crying about others playing more and now reaping the rewards in less competition over camps.

No big deal. So what if nagafen got flattened with Mage swords. Who cares if a certain guild gains uncontested farm rights to level 50 content.
Everything is working as intended, just don't expect to compete on a level playing field. We all dinged 50 using an exploit, that we then cried to fix. Meanwhile you should just enjoy grinding, and grinding, and grinding......even though we bypassed all that stupid "legit" crap that you'll waste months grinding on.

[Cast]

No big deal. So what if nagafen got flattened with Mage swords. Who cares if a certain guild gains uncontested farm rights to level 50 content.
Everything is working as intended, just don't expect to compete on a level playing field. We all dinged 50 using an exploit, that we then cried to fix. Meanwhile you should just enjoy grinding, and grinding, and grinding......even though we bypassed all that stupid "legit" crap that you'll waste months grinding on.

this is the type of stuff I was arguing 4 the regular people (READ: Not as skilled as me) because I knew you all were getting fucked while I sat on my golden throne like a king

[Jadian]

Everyone complaining about the swords in this thread got summoned swords from me constantly.

Irony.

[Jadian]

Except this Billbike guy, he just sounds terrible.

[Scrooge]

Less trolling! Let's get back on topic, people!