Reset classic server

[goodle]

Reset classic and let the servers run through Kunark for a year plus. By then the devs will be far into Velious content and we will still be leveling up. Only chance this Project 1999 has of bringing in a fresh batch of people. To much drama etc has saturated classic to the point where I gambled away 100k in one day and quit.

[Arkyani]

I happen to love the people on the server and enjoy my time here greatly.

[goodle]

I happen to love the people on the server and enjoy my time here greatly.

I am a die hard and even I think the server has become to stagnate. Many different factors etc have made people leave or move on. A fresh start would re invigorate the server and I think most people would agree with me on that. The power gamers will always be on top either way. It's not like them having uber Kunark loot vs uber classic loot really matters. Many classic EQers will agree, it is the journey not the destination that matters. Re set the server to classic only and watch the population double.

[Diggles]

so what you're trying to say is:
http://www.therakeandbroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/wipe-clean-300px.gif

[Kassel]

Red just started so feel free to start a fresh grind there, dont like pvp ? pick a class that can gate like half the server has...

[Lulz Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/VRUY5.jpg

[goodle]

PVP server will never have longevity like a normal server will.

[Taluvill]

Unless one guild runs the server on PVE content and has no PVP competition, PVP generates more re-playable content than anything else will.The PVP server has more longevity in the sense that it doesn't become boring.

[Plaidpants]

that may be true actually - what's the timeline for them to release Kunark on red? they wait a full year? But red is only a month old and I have never seen the red with more population than blue in the past two weeks which worries me since the newness hasn't even worn off.

[Smyd]

I somewhat support the idea...
Of course, I loathe the thought of losing all of the time I've invested into my chars, and I haven't had much motivation to play since I foolishly handed the (6th? can't remember which) shackle quest components to the wrong npc. *bonk*

Other than that, a fresh start sounds cool to me :)

[DevGrousis]

I am a die hard and even I think the server has become to stagnate. Many different factors etc have made people leave or move on. A fresh start would re invigorate the server and I think most people would agree with me on that. The power gamers will always be on top either way. It's not like them having uber Kunark loot vs uber classic loot really matters. Many classic EQers will agree, it is the journey not the destination that matters. Re set the server to classic only and watch the population double.

I completely 100% agree with this. The top enders wont want to lose all of their stuff, but being that this server is about being classic, I feel it only makes sense at this point of stagnation that the servers should have a fresh restart. Would be nice for all of us in the middle class as well! :D Numbers would surely swell and I can imagine seeing us back under around 1k again like we were before, if not more.

[Splorf22]

The problem is not that our server has too few people. In fact the high end raiding scene is actually very crowded: we have 3 guilds that can take any target in Kunark (TR,TMO, and VD could handle VP if they had keys) plus Divinity, BDA, Taken and so on. If Rogean snapped and deleted the characters of TMO and TR, there would still be enough players to race for every Kunark dragon.

The problem is that the leveling zones are empty. When I was leveling up in February/March, all of the low level zones were packed: Mistmoore usually had entrance, GY, and CE/Pit groups, while Guktop had King, Undead ZL, scryer, and so on. After Kunark came out, Sebilis would never drop below 25 people, and Karnor's hit 70+ (what a trainwreck). I remember being in Hate and TR sent a group up there for XP because it was so crowded in Kunark! But now the high end zones are empty because most people are 60. Meanwhile the influx of new players is tapering off a bit (after all P1999 has been out for 2 years now or something, most people have heard of it), and what new players there are level really fast because they have access to Kunark gear, either directly for the cheaper items or by grouping with twinks. If I had to guess, I would say maybe 1/3 of the population is 55+ and playing their mains, 1/3 is 55+ and playing on their twinks, and 1/3 is actual new players.

I think the population solution has to be Velious and epics, which open up a ton of raiding content for our top-heavy player base. Of course our devs, not being full time paid employees, are releasing content a lot more slowly than Verant. Remember, Kunark came out maybe 9 months ago. If we are on the real timeline, we should have had Veeshan's Peak for months, Epics for a bit, and Velious should be happening right around now.

I've considered a wipe but I think it would do exactly the opposite of what we want: all the powergamers (especially the ones who came later) would clap and all the casuals would quit in disgust, and in 6 months we would have an even more top-heavy server. Yendor would probably commit suicide at the thought of trying to level up another ranger :)

[rigi]

new people come to this game and run into dungeons that they would exp at and get a few nice items and they find all the rooms camped by level 60's that already have pimpin loots and are just item whores. then just eventually give up/quit.

i came back to play classic i dont log in every day and sometimes only once a week or more and came to the conclusion that there is to many hardcore farmers here. its hard to believe how much time somepeople put into becoming uber on this server considoring all the items in game now most people had before on live. i never played WoW but it makes me appreciate it when you dont log in often and every time you do the thing you wanna kill for a few hours is perma camped you wish you could just zone into an instance or whatever they call it and have it to yourself

[Seaweedpimp]

If people are soloing mobs for items they dont have uber items

[Timarian]

I think he means farming items to sell for plat?

[rafaone]

/agree 100%, a fresh start will give this server a new life and opportunity, many ppl here does not have anything to do. Just wipe it clean, for 1 year or so, until Velious.

[Messianic]

Eh....I think more people would quit than would restart because they just had their efforts wiped.

The only possible solution to me is a new classic server after Velious gets boring - but that's even more splitting of the population.

I also think the server would get absolutely flooded with irreplaceable classic items, i.e. a massive line for getting a guise, a billion manastones, a billion thex daggers, etc...

[eqravenprince]

The good probably outweighs the bad on a server reset. It would be nice if existing characters were not lost however, allowed to play them at a date in the future.

[nalkin]

and this is what happens when you poopsock

[usedtobejubaloftorv]

Eh....I think more people would quit than would restart because they just had their efforts wiped.

The only possible solution to me is a new classic server after Velious gets boring - but that's even more splitting of the population.

I also think the server would get absolutely flooded with irreplaceable classic items, i.e. a massive line for getting a guise, a billion manastones, a billion thex daggers, etc...

wouldn't it ever... had I found this server when it opened instead of a few months ago, I'd have a huge stockpile of the things ready to cash in on the inevitable nerfing

[mala]

i remember when the number 1 topic on the forums was "im sick of poopsocking trak" and no resolution was made. now VP is out, which solved just about nothing, and people have moved on to "lets just wipe this shit". it doesnt matter how many times you wipe it, as long as content is taking 3x longer than live to release people are going to get bored and loose interest.

[Vondra]

I'm a bored geared lev 60 and I support a reset as well. I don't think it will happen though. (in fact if I remember right Rogean even said something about there never being a wipe).

But personally, I would go for it in a heartbeat. I hardly login anymore but would on a fresh server. They've certainly put in a lot of work that could be implemented the right way from the beginning this time...along with all the work needed for us to follow a true timeline for quite a while.

When we got back to around where we are now, they'd probably have Velious ready too.

[goodle]

I'm a bored geared lev 60 and I support a reset as well. I don't think it will happen though. (in fact if I remember right Rogean even said something about there never being a wipe).

But personally, I would go for it in a heartbeat. I hardly login anymore but would on a fresh server. They've certainly put in a lot of work that could be implemented the right way from the beginning this time...along with all the work needed for us to follow a true timeline for quite a while.

When we got back to around where we are now, they'd probably have Velious ready too.

That was my point on proposing a reset. By the time we get to the end of Kunark they should have Velious pretty much finished. Also they have ironed out all the bugs now so it should be a much better leveling experience. EQ classic is one of those games where the journey is a thousand times better then the destination. People may be scared to lose 1337 items but the enjoyment of everyone being on an equal playing field again will re invigorate this community. I hope the devs are considering this, or thinking about it at least.

[Rhaj]

I would vote for a wipe.

[Plaidpants]

wipe it

[Softcore PK]

It's a shame that powergamers have ruined your server, but would a wipe really help? Seems to me the people affected the least would be the same people that ruined it the first time around.. maybe you'd get another fun 3-6 months in the game, but then it'd be back to what it was anyway :(

[Vondra]

It's a shame that powergamers have ruined your server, but would a wipe really help? Seems to me the people affected the least would be the same people that ruined it the first time around.. maybe you'd get another fun 3-6 months in the game, but then it'd be back to what it was anyway :(


Powergamers haven't ruined the server. If you want to do stuff, it isn't as though the guilds are exclusive and you won't get admitted....you can join them and there's several to choose from that can all do the content.



The point is that the game has gotten dull due to doing the same thing repeatedly, or not bothering at all. In fact it is mostly a flaw within the design of the game itself, not the server.

The idea is that a wipe would help out new players that are having problems finding groups (and there's more than a few of them) and the old players that are just bored with what we have.

Bonus being that we could follow the timeline this time, since so much work is done, so that people wouldn't be sitting around bored doing the same things for too long.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned the journey being more fun than the destination, and they are right it applies even moreso to EQ than most MMOs. When you get down to EQs endgame, it really isn't much different from WoW. Once you've gotten all buyable stuff and probably amassed lots of cash...all there is to do is wait for the next raid. It's even worse here, since in EQ atm most of the "raiding" is dropping a single target, where you spend 90% of the time just waiting around for people to get there before dropping the mob in less than a minute.

[Softcore PK]

Hm well. Why not try out the pvp server? It seems to be what you're looking for, really..

[nalkin]

Powergamers have ruined it to some extent, but they aren't totally to blame. In our day and age a fresh version of EQ has a good life expectancy of about 6 months. Everyone knows all the secrets and all the ways to completely optimize performance such that the economy gets inflated so fast. New people aren't going to want to play on an insanely inflated server.

The other reason the game is ruined is because there is absolutely nothing to do end game. The raids are not challenging so raid content alone isn't enough to keep competitive interest high, plus you are working towards a pointless cyclic goal whose only objective is to gain better gear. Once you have better gear you try to obtain better gear, but once you have the best gear you ?

I don't think there is anything that can be done to maintain an EQ server because its impossible to recreate the lack of knowledge we had back in the day. Really the only thing we can do is keep recycling the server over and over every year or so imo. The grind is the game, building a character is the game. People who qq about losing what they have worked for are living in some dreamland where its possible to have a lasting persistent server. All mmos degrade at some point, and with how good we all are, this one degrades perty gd fast.

[Vondra]

Hm well. Why not try out the pvp server? It seems to be what you're looking for, really..

Considered it, but don't really care for the concept of other people being my enemy...not in mmorpgs anyway. I like being able to just roam around alone, poke around in areas..."any room in the group for me?", that sort of thing.

I don't want to kill someone or their group and take their camp. I don't want others doing it to me either. I'd rather be friendly with everyone. Other people playing emulated EQ aren't my enemy. This is one case where I like the "new" way of pvp in mmos via instanced battlegrounds of some sort. I can enjoy pvp in mmos as a contest, not as an act of malice.

I did actually try out the pvp server anyway when it was new. Never even made it to the points I was mentioning above, the community was enough to make me leave. I don't want to seek out a guild that's not a bunch of asses either, so I can avoid the majority of people. If I have to avoid the majority of people playing there, there's no real reason for me to play there.

[shorttin]

would be nice to get an admins idea on this. being one of the new players i would like to not waste time currently leveling and have to start over in the near future.

[goodle]

The pvp server is not the answer. I would bet that maybe 90 out of 350 players on the pvp server actually play there because they love EQ pvp. The other 80 percent or so are just bored and mess around there because it is something new to do. The right move would of been keeping 1 server and resetting it back to day 1. I think personally with the pvp server here to stay Project 1999 is going to slowly wither away in time. Instead of 2 years down the line having a steady 400-500 population still, both servers will have around 100-150 on at a time max. I think the devs got a little cocky with the player base and didn't estimate the burn out effect EQ can have.

[RallyTyme]

would be nice to get an admins idea on this. being one of the new players i would like to not waste time currently leveling and have to start over in the near future.

/agree even if the odds are small

[Vondra]

Powergamers have ruined it to some extent, but they aren't totally to blame. In our day and age a fresh version of EQ has a good life expectancy of about 6 months. Everyone knows all the secrets and all the ways to completely optimize performance such that the economy gets inflated so fast. New people aren't going to want to play on an insanely inflated server.

The other reason the game is ruined is because there is absolutely nothing to do end game. The raids are not challenging so raid content alone isn't enough to keep competitive interest high, plus you are working towards a pointless cyclic goal whose only objective is to gain better gear. Once you have better gear you try to obtain better gear, but once you have the best gear you ?

I don't think there is anything that can be done to maintain an EQ server because its impossible to recreate the lack of knowledge we had back in the day. Really the only thing we can do is keep recycling the server over and over every year or so imo. The grind is the game, building a character is the game. People who qq about losing what they have worked for are living in some dreamland where its possible to have a lasting persistent server. All mmos degrade at some point, and with how good we all are, this one degrades perty gd fast.

Good post. You covered better what I briefly touched on when I said it's a flaw in the design of the game itself.

Moreso than most games, the journey to max level in this game is where the fun is. It isn't the endgame. This game barely even has an endgame.

In fact unlike other games where you gear grind once you hit max level, the gear isn't even of much use to you. You can gear a toon exclusively from items in EC, even skip out on the expensive ones...have a raid full of people that do the same...and you'll be able to clear any content we have just fine.

That isn't to say some high end raid items aren't useful, naturally they are, but you don't really need any of it. If you're already clearing everything the game has to offer with ease, there isn't much incentive to keep clearing it other than to make your character equipment sheet look pretty.

But then, that's classic.

[Splorf22]

So here is an idea: what happens if we implement fairly strict required levels on gear and spells. For example, I have been playing my warrior twink in Mistmoore. I grouped with a 32 monk twink and a 30 cleric, switched on to my enchanter to give the monk haste and the cleric c2. Between these buffs and our gear (imbued fighter staff on the monk, staff of battle on my warrior) we were able to own the castle entrance - regularly killing red mobs with no downtime. I'm guessing I would have gotten through 30 in maybe 3 hours, or a normal level in 2 or less. Alternatively I can just buy PL for maybe 1-1.5k pp/level. So the point is, leveling up an alt is really fast, and even new players will zoom up to high level quickly because they are grouped with the twinks.

Suppose instead we limited all buff spells to +/- 10 levels and all equipment to 'dropping-monster's level -5'. Then my warrior would be using a Blacked Iron Bastard Sword (20/47) instead of a Staff of Battle (31/37), and neither of us would be using an FBSS, etc.

[Brad_mo123]

This is stupid. P99's goal is and always has been to make it to velious. The problems developed on this server will just develop again if it is reset and the problems will start right at the start of the reset with all the people griping and bitching that they got their manastone camp taken and such and such guild has bigger dicks then the other. When velious is out and most of the bugs are fixed the devs did say that they may look into some custom content like cherry picking parts of expansions that were good or that they might make a new server and by then im sure most of the old population (the problem makers) will be done with p99 and mostly new people will populate the newly opened server. At the moment it is just too soon and the same shit will happen and sooner in the timeline.

Also I wanted to add that I myself and others have noticed the decline in developing. No hard feelings to the devs or anything, not trying to put Nilbog and other devs down im just speaking honostly that it's obvious that the thrill of developing this server is much less then it use to be so I kind of doubt anything will happen after velious and eventually this project will die, hopefully someone else will start up a new classic server with new dev's and etc if that happens.

[Vondra]

So here is an idea: what happens if we implement fairly strict required levels on gear and spells. For example, I have been playing my warrior twink in Mistmoore. I grouped with a 32 monk twink and a 30 cleric, switched on to my enchanter to give the monk haste and the cleric c2. Between these buffs and our gear (imbued fighter staff on the monk, staff of battle on my warrior) we were able to own the castle entrance - regularly killing red mobs with no downtime. I'm guessing I would have gotten through 30 in maybe 3 hours, or a normal level in 2 or less. Alternatively I can just buy PL for maybe 1-1.5k pp/level. So the point is, leveling up an alt is really fast, and even new players will zoom up to high level quickly because they are grouped with the twinks.

Suppose instead we limited all buff spells to +/- 10 levels and all equipment to 'dropping-monster's level -5'. Then my warrior would be using a Blacked Iron Bastard Sword (20/47) instead of a Staff of Battle (31/37), and neither of us would be using an FBSS, etc.

I get the spirit of this but I think it would hurt interest in alts more than it'd help. I think that's actually one of the appeals to EQ that gives it a little more longevity, the twinking.

[Silikten]

Red just started so feel free to start a fresh grind there, dont like pvp ? pick a class that can gate like half the server has...

You mean like nearly all the classes can?

[Kabilos]

I got into the EpicEMU beta of SoV, Lets see the good times roll !! :)

[DevGrousis]

I got into the EpicEMU beta of SoV, Lets see the good times roll !! :)

what is that?


There isn't even an argument here. The community wants it, logic says its worth a try. After all, it couldn't kill the server more than the PvP has already done :*(

[Djanis]

wipe it, someone create a poll

[Kassel]

You mean like nearly all the classes can?

wanna do the math on that ?

[webrunner5]

Why?? The top 50 people will be level 50 again with good gear in 2 weeks. Same old crap in the EC tunnel. Manastone for sale for a zillion plat in 3 weeks.

It is the same way on the Red server. Lovely was level 50 as a Wizzy in 2 weeks with people trying to kill him. Like it has been said there are people on these servers that know every trick in the book. And if you get in a great group and Poopsock you can be level 20 in a day.

I have already become bored as hell with both servers. I think in the long run there will be 75 people on each server no matter what you do. You can only do the same old crap over and over for so long.

[Djanis]

Powergamers have ruined it to some extent, but they aren't totally to blame. In our day and age a fresh version of EQ has a good life expectancy of about 6 months. Everyone knows all the secrets and all the ways to completely optimize performance such that the economy gets inflated so fast. New people aren't going to want to play on an insanely inflated server.

The other reason the game is ruined is because there is absolutely nothing to do end game. The raids are not challenging so raid content alone isn't enough to keep competitive interest high, plus you are working towards a pointless cyclic goal whose only objective is to gain better gear. Once you have better gear you try to obtain better gear, but once you have the best gear you ?

I don't think there is anything that can be done to maintain an EQ server because its impossible to recreate the lack of knowledge we had back in the day. Really the only thing we can do is keep recycling the server over and over every year or so imo. The grind is the game, building a character is the game. People who qq about losing what they have worked for are living in some dreamland where its possible to have a lasting persistent server. All mmos degrade at some point, and with how good we all are, this one degrades perty gd fast.

Agree 100% with this post. There needs to be a set life cycle for the server, like 1 year. Then wipe and start over. At the end of every cycle, there should be a "Champions of the Realm" type scoreboard. Name it whatever you want, thats just an example. It can show major achievements during that cycle to create some healthy competition while the server is live. Store the scoreboard in a Hall of Fame section of the forums showing all previous scoreboards.

[Messianic]

The community wants it

Prove it.

[Muchew]

The only problem I have with a wipe is that the server loses the integrity that I was concerned about when I joined in the first place.

I can spend literally weeks of my life on a game that someone can, on a whim, take that all away. Would make me less confident that all the time I spend on my character, is not going to be wasted.

That being said, my thesis is nearly finished and I want a different race :p

[DevGrousis]

The only problem I have with a wipe is that the server loses the integrity that I was concerned about when I joined in the first place.

I can spend literally weeks of my life on a game that someone can, on a whim, take that all away. Would make me less confident that all the time I spend on my character, is not going to be wasted.

That being said, my thesis is nearly finished and I want a different race :p

That is a good point! But to be fair, the server has spoken for itself, and they do make calculated decisions. Nothing is done on a whim. As bad an idea as the PVP server was, it was thought about and discussed at length.

Mess, whats up bro? I'm back in the mix!

[Valius]

I play casually. A wipe hurts me more then a power gamer. So much that I wouldn't return. I'm sure there are many casuals who don't read the boards who would agree.

[DevGrousis]

I play casually. A wipe hurts me more then a power gamer. So much that I wouldn't return. I'm sure there are many casuals who don't read the boards who would agree.

Hurt you so bad you wouldn't play anymore? You must not like to play very much :)

We arent saying that every single person wants this. We are saying that the server NEEDS this. I know personally my brother and his extended circle of friends would come to play if the server was reset.

It has nothing to do with what the high end players would do as soon as it reset. It has to do with the fact that the population would condense again and players would have an actual community instead of logging in to empty zones

[Harrison]

They're not going to reset it. If they didn't reset it after the massive hacking spree, they won't now.

Just keep playing, or don't.

[Rais]

Don't like the server now as it is? Go on red

[Valius]

Hurt you so bad you wouldn't play anymore? You must not like to play very much :)


Don't speak for me. I do not have the time to play very much, there is a difference, that's what casual means, I enjoy the server as it is.

If you want a fresh start there is already an option for that, Red99.

[Isic]

A wipe is a horrible idea, enough said.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Could do a fund raiser..

pay one dollar to vote for a wipe..

or pay one dollar to vote against a wipe..

most "votes" wins >_>

either way servers win :D

[goodle]

A wipe is a horrible idea, enough said.

Are you scared to lose your phat lewtz? Will it even matter anymore when the server pop hovers at 100 a year from now?

[mokfarg]

I don't have any "phat" loots and I think it's a horrible idea. I play maybe 3 days a week 4-6 hours a night. My friends and I are really enjoying leveling. We really would lose faith in the project to have to start over. How do we know we won't play for another 6 months and around 30-40 be wiped again? We would like to reach our goal eventually of reaching 60.

[Null]

Wipe it Clean!

[baub]

Wipe it Clean!

[liveitup1216]

Wipe it Clean!

[Threepoint]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwipe it cleeaaaan

[Threepoint]

best troll ever rip vztz

[Vondra]

Server's been around for a few years now with no wipe. If there was one, it wouldn't mean there'd be another one anytime soon heh.

[goodle]

A wipe is the smartest move for longevity purposes. I made this thread to build constructive ideas on why it should be. From the majority of responses most people seem to agree that the server needs a wipe.

[Splorf22]

FYI the server hit 500 tonight. Maybe its just a temporary blip and two months from now red will be at 150 and blue 600.

[DorcasSilverthreads]

Why don't all these high level people who are bored and want a reset, just delete their own toons and gear and start again themselves? Easily done, puts lots of people back in the starting zones, and doesn't piss all over us casual players who are enjoying a long slow climb to 60. I'm not seeing why anyone needs a server reset for that.

[shorttin]

Why don't all these high level people who are bored and want a reset, just delete their own toons and gear and start again themselves? Easily done, puts lots of people back in the starting zones, and doesn't piss all over us casual players who are enjoying a long slow climb to 60. I'm not seeing why anyone needs a server reset for that.

[Pyrocat]

I gambled away 100k in one day and quit.

I think I see why you want to reset.

[goodle]

I think I see why you want to reset.

SMH I gambled the 100k with the intent of playing till I lost then quit. There is nothing of relevance to buy over 100k besides a mana stone or fungi tunic. I was fully geared and had nothing else I cared to work towards. I gave away my 60 necro account with full plane gear etc to some lowbie at random.

[Razdeline]

If it gets 'wiped clean' so will me ever being here.

[Motec]

If it gets 'wiped clean' so will me ever being here.

+1

f*ck levelling here again

[douglas1999]

I still don't really know why they even decided to release a PVP server, when at best the main server had a population of like 900. It split the population almost in HALF, after kunark basically doubled the land mass. How many people are on blue now during peak hours? like 450? Imagine if velious was already out, 450 people spread accross classic, kunark, and velious, is going to be a fucking ghost town. I really don't see how they thought they could afford to divide a population of less than 1000 players on an EQ server.

[eqravenprince]

It's funny how people would nerdrage quit if there was a reset. They would be back when the eq bug hit them again to play. I still like my idea of somehow locking/saving existing characters to be available at a later date. Effectively the same as a reset, but you know you will get your existing character(s) back later.

[Atmas]

I don't think a wipe is going to help in the long run. What problem that is causing low population is wiping going to address? People who are hardcore players will play and get to the top again. People who are more casual might quit or they might play again for a little while and get angry at being forced to re-do all the work they put in.

Most of the problems really stem from the player base itself. There is extensive knowledge of the game and most of the people on here were hardcore players back in the day. Euros and North Americans being on one server also has an impact. All of these things are extremly unbalancing as content is completed super quickly.

New content like epics and more likely Velious might bring back some players. If people are tired of doing the same content making them repeat it over again isn't going to bring numbers back.

[DoucLangur]

Wipe it Clean!

Reading the OP I thought "wtf? stupid troll!" - but come to think of it... I invested about a month of real life time into my shaman, and since he hit level 53, I have not bothered one bit about xp, I stoically take deaths and laugh about em, just because I know that post-60 ding, there's nothing to aim for, xp-wise.

Long story short - I would not hesitate a second anymore to vote in favour of a server wipe, no matter my invested time. The only think that I would like to see reserved for a month or so is the character names/races/classes on the accounts. Like... reset everyone to level 1, zero skills, and to newbie gear.

Otoh - having completely new character names could be fun also, to mix up the community further...

Wipe it! :) It's gonna be cool again!

Slozem

[Softcore PK]

I still don't really know why they even decided to release a PVP server, when at best the main server had a population of like 900. It split the population almost in HALF, after kunark basically doubled the land mass. How many people are on blue now during peak hours? like 450? Imagine if velious was already out, 450 people spread accross classic, kunark, and velious, is going to be a fucking ghost town. I really don't see how they thought they could afford to divide a population of less than 1000 players on an EQ server.

It's mean of some bluebies to complain about the red server taking some of their population. If you lost people to the red server it's because they prefer it there and they probably have more fun. Your population being high is not more important than the enjoyment of x many individuals.

imo :/

[Charball]

Wipe it. I play casually and I don't care if all the power gamers get uber again in a few weeks, at least we'll have those few weeks. On top of that all the plat in the game that got there through hax cheats or exploits would be gone. Couple that with a stronger more secure server and hopefully the same type of crap won't happen again, it could make for the classic feel everyone wants. Wipe it.

[Plaidpants]

Wipe it. I play casually and I don't care if all the power gamers get uber again in a few weeks, at least we'll have those few weeks. On top of that all the plat in the game that got there through hax cheats or exploits would be gone. Couple that with a stronger more secure server and hopefully the same type of crap won't happen again, it could make for the classic feel everyone wants. Wipe it.

yes

[webrunner5]

Some of these people who want to wipe it clean may be surprised how
hard it is to level now then 1 year ago. Gone are the 50% weekend XP stints. Gone are uber pet hits, pet nerf XP in now. Spells like Whril till you Hurl nerfed to hell. Etc Etc. No cake walk like before. Not that it was a easy as hell , just harder now.

[Plaidpants]

And that's a good thing.

[Grizzled]

The stagnation is probably the same thing sony went through during velious. Luclin came out with AA's to give high level players something to do. If this is an issue now, then it will be again even after velious comes out. To the best of my knowledge velious is the limit the devs put on this server. So yes there will be points in time where toons are max level, and best gear and nothing to do. And we are talking a full account of them.
Now sony's issues werent as severe with teams of people making content and fixes happen faster. But in the end velious showed them they had to do something or lose players to DAoC, which had "AA" for pvp stuff.
Im not 100% against a wipe, it would suck, however half the server didnt mind it for the pvp server. I would vote yes, and dump the pvp server, but just my 2cp. Pvp wasnt that good in eq anyways.

This is all just a sign of things to come if AA is never introduced to the game.

[Mobb Deep]

i took a hiatus from blue because i got bored. i dont even want to bother hitting 60. i willingly stopped at 57 waiting for epics to be released about 3 months ago...that was a bummer.

a server wipe wouldn't revitalize the server at all. the only real option is if devs released new content. i mean, epics were due, velious should be due soon, the hole was like 6 months late, but then again, they're doing this server out of the goodness of their heart so its whatever.

i did find excitement playing on red though...i never played pvp before but it is fun and the journey to 50 will take much longer and i don't mind that.

i will return to blue if epics are ever released though...

[Hailto]

Should have given me the 100k, i would have made a female wood elf and cybered you hard for it.

[Softcore PK]

Should have given me the 100k, i would have made a female wood elf and cybered you hard for it.

Your name makes me think of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbfmwKM2zFg

[Razdeline]

Its funny all the retards here think wiping it clean will do anything. The problem is less saturation of players on blue because of red. Its that simple. Also SWTOR is releasing, so all other nerds like myself will be playing it.

This thread screams ignorance, factless/biased responses, and no credibility.

[Nirgon]

The great thing is when they do release the new content, you and everyone else can always come back and have it here.


And go ape shit fighting over it in the true glory of EQ.

[zonker]

I'm a casual player. I put in some major hours over the past few months just to get to the super low level that I'm at with my two characters (12 and 14). I'm not twinked, I have no money, and it's pretty difficult to find a stable group. Having a server wipe would devastate my time sink.

HOWEVER: it would be nice to have a vast majority of people back in the low levels so I can finally get in a few solid groups. The people who are going to race to 60 are always going to race to 60, that won't change. I would vote for a wipe, but I haven't invested nearly as much time as other have.

That being said, I can see where those people who have invested hundreds (thousands) of hours are coming from. Of course, they don't want a wipe! It's understandable, and I sympathize with them.

Something that is important to note, however: This is not a democracy. Rogean owns the server. Our votes may voice our opinion, but a majority vote for a wipe doesn't mean everyone agrees; and you can guarantee some folks are going to get stepped on.

[Plaidpants]

Its funny all the retards here think wiping it clean will do anything. The problem is less saturation of players on blue because of red. Its that simple. Also SWTOR is releasing, so all other nerds like myself will be playing it.

This thread screams ignorance, factless/biased responses, and no credibility.

I'm not sure why you're playing classic EQ if you are seriously interested in playing SWTOR.

[Flunklesnarkin]

When was the last time the server was reset.. if ever?

I'm not against the idea of a reset.. i just don't think it should be done every 6 months to satisfy high game time people alone.


I think it would make sense to do a reset after a few years after p99 is in its final state.. (thats when velious is out so i believe?) when people are all happy with velious and if enough people want it.

As of now tho.. i'd vote no.. new server is out too the p99 red.. and i seen a ton of other servers out with low populations.. could grab a few friends and go hard mode there.. I was thinking of trying a solo ranger on one of the empty servers lol.

[Grizzled]

How about cleansing red server and making it an original PvE server, those who wish to start over may do so. I would enjoy starting over again, however with new server being PvP, thats just not going to happen. EQ pvp was crappy at best, its sole purpose was to see who could be a bigger dick. Camp taken you want , just train em etc etc.

I believe you could easily get 1/2 the current population to start over, hell the red people have already started over(and look how many ran to that for something different.)

Early EQ could not support a large bulk of the population in the same level range. Kunark is a very god example. You have kc and seb fairly easy mobs and seb has decent exp. Early on very few had HS keys and the zone is mean. Chardok is pretty mean as well and alot of casters who dont miss. So ideally you have 2 zones readily available for exp. And we had what 300 plus lvl 50's ready to rock on release?
To support 1k players 2 server are pretty much needed, and pvp is not the answer. Get 2 PvE servers up and running and i think you would see 300-500 on both at prime time. The new server would draw more crowd in, and the old would stay as it is.

[Softcore PK]

How about cleansing red server and making it an original PvE server, those who wish to start over may do so. I would enjoy starting over again, however with new server being PvP, thats just not going to happen. EQ pvp was crappy at best, its sole purpose was to see who could be a bigger dick. Camp taken you want , just train em etc etc.

I believe you could easily get 1/2 the current population to start over, hell the red people have already started over(and look how many ran to that for something different.)

Early EQ could not support a large bulk of the population in the same level range. Kunark is a very god example. You have kc and seb fairly easy mobs and seb has decent exp. Early on very few had HS keys and the zone is mean. Chardok is pretty mean as well and alot of casters who dont miss. So ideally you have 2 zones readily available for exp. And we had what 300 plus lvl 50's ready to rock on release?
To support 1k players 2 server are pretty much needed, and pvp is not the answer. Get 2 PvE servers up and running and i think you would see 300-500 on both at prime time. The new server would draw more crowd in, and the old would stay as it is.

But what about the players who like pvp? :(

[Flunklesnarkin]

How about cleansing red server and making it an original PvE server, those who wish to start over may do so. I would enjoy starting over again, however with new server being PvP, thats just not going to happen. EQ pvp was crappy at best, its sole purpose was to see who could be a bigger dick. Camp taken you want , just train em etc etc.

I believe you could easily get 1/2 the current population to start over, hell the red people have already started over(and look how many ran to that for something different.)

Early EQ could not support a large bulk of the population in the same level range. Kunark is a very god example. You have kc and seb fairly easy mobs and seb has decent exp. Early on very few had HS keys and the zone is mean. Chardok is pretty mean as well and alot of casters who dont miss. So ideally you have 2 zones readily available for exp. And we had what 300 plus lvl 50's ready to rock on release?
To support 1k players 2 server are pretty much needed, and pvp is not the answer. Get 2 PvE servers up and running and i think you would see 300-500 on both at prime time. The new server would draw more crowd in, and the old would stay as it is.

I agree that two servers would be awesome.. but... (big but).. this is a free... ran on donations..

would probably take a bit to set that up.. not really sure what their funds are or if people would even be willing to toss money out.

[Seaweedpimp]

Dont like the way it is ? Quit.

Ive invested way too much time getting ahead of you losers just to get it wiped. I play by the rules, ive never been suspended, I deserve my character. So ;P

[Plaidpants]

But what about the players who like pvp? :(

daoc uthgard

[Lindalind]

I'm actually enjoying not having to compete for every large rat or bat or having to quest for exp because they are being killed as fast as they spawn.
Wouldn't bother me too much one way or the other.

[Daliant17447]

I tried this a while ago.

One solution would be to just wipe the server clean and start back at square one.

Finish beta testing PvP mechanics, then announce a release date for P99 Blue/Red servers both going live simultaneously and advertise across all mmo communities to build hype. Consider the last 2 years as just a long drawn out beta.

This would:
-Allow the servers to progress on an accurate timeline because the first 2 years of content are already developed and tested
-Allow both servers to progress through the timeline at the same rate
-Allow the devs adequate time to work on epics and velious without outcry from the community about when it will be finished
-Help to spread the population between the servers so that both are able to sustain a healthy population
-Allow the server to have a more accurate economy without all the duped plat and items now that the necessary counter-measures are in place

Some of the most basic mechanics have taken the entire duration of classic to get tuned properly (FD, melee damage, charm duration, resist checks just to name a few). The intent of the project was to provide a classic server that played as closely to the original EQ as possible with content being released on a timeline accurate to how it was back on live. If the server were to restart it would be able deliver just that.

On the flip side, obviously you would have a lot of the player-base upset about losing their characters and feeling like the last 2 years have been a waste... but lets face it, that time was spent playing EQ so it has already been a waste. Its not like any payment was taken for services or any promise was made that protected characters.

You might lose some people do to rage quiting, but I think you would also gain a significant ammount of people drawn by the fact that it would be a clean start for everyone, and a lot of the people who have played here and quit would be back for stuff they missed the first time around like guise/manastone.

Just an idea... I know I for one would be pumped about losing my level 60 and multiple level 50+ characters and having to reroll with bronze and fine steel... but maybe i'm just crazy.

[Hailto]

Your name makes me think of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbfmwKM2zFg

Its actually referencing Hail To The Thief, Radiohead Album

[Softcore PK]

i like my song better :/

[Darwoth]

why dont some of you carebear raider guilds move over to the pvp server then, killing a raid target might be worthy of bragging about when you had to kill the other guild in order to take it.

or continue farming the 50 thousandth level 40 item for no purpose other than to put on a bank alt because the other 400 people on your server already have one then logging on for the big "but we were here first!" argument.

[slemmykazaam]

Why even make this thread? The admins have already proven that their goal is to run a server based on integrity. That means the chance of them listening to an ill-conceived, extremely self-serving idea is nil to none. The newly reset server would play out the EXACT same way the current one has. It would not abolish inflation or monopolization, nor any of the other perceived problems. The only thing it would do is anger a loyal playerbase and appease a crowd of people who have already proven they will not be playing for the long haul.

I, as well, think there is nothing cooler than starting a MMO from the beginning with everyone on an even playing field, but you don't wipe a server to do it. Having 10 servers worth of players and opening a new server is one thing, but dismantling a community that is, in terms of a 12 year old game, pretty much thriving, is something else entirely.

[goodle]

Why even make this thread? The admins have already proven that their goal is to run a server based on integrity. That means the chance of them listening to an ill-conceived, extremely self-serving idea is nil to none. The newly reset server would play out the EXACT same way the current one has. It would not abolish inflation or monopolization, nor any of the other perceived problems. The only thing it would do is anger a loyal playerbase and appease a crowd of people who have already proven they will not be playing for the long haul.

I, as well, think there is nothing cooler than starting a MMO from the beginning with everyone on an even playing field, but you don't wipe a server to do it. Having 10 servers worth of players and opening a new server is one thing, but dismantling a community that is, in terms of a 12 year old game, pretty much thriving, is something else entirely.

Is it ironic that 60 percent of the people voting want it wiped then? If so many people are against it where are they on this pole?

[DorcasSilverthreads]

Just an idea... I know I for one would be pumped about losing my level 60 and multiple level 50+ characters and having to reroll with bronze and fine steel... but maybe i'm just crazy.

So what is stopping you now?

[Diggles]

http://gamesprays.com/images/icons/keep-it-clean-3416_preview.jpg

[Plaidpants]

why dont some of you carebear raider guilds move over to the pvp server then, killing a raid target might be worthy of bragging about when you had to kill the other guild in order to take it.

or continue farming the 50 thousandth level 40 item for no purpose other than to put on a bank alt because the other 400 people on your server already have one then logging on for the big "but we were here first!" argument.

If I want to pvp - I'll go play a pvp game - like the classic DAoC emulator or any modern mmorpg currently out. EQ's pvp is just isn't good..at all.. so I'd rather just focus on the actual good parts of EQ rather than something that was put originally put in half-assed (by the EQ staff not P99's staff) as a gimmick/niche servers.

[cyryllis]

Is it ironic that 60 percent of the people voting want it wiped then? If so many people are against it where are they on this pole?

You do realize that for most online games only a small fraction regularly read the forums

wiping this server would cut the population in half at best

[Plaidpants]

You do realize that for most online games only a small fraction regularly read the forums

wiping this server would cut the population in half at best

For an emulator for an older game like this.. that is based on classic EQ - I'd say most people check out the forums every few days.

It isn't like WoW where kids use their parents CC and don't know much about the internet in general and how to use computers other than for gaming and facebook.

[Humerox]

why dont some of you carebear raider guilds move over to the pvp server then, killing a raid target might be worthy of bragging about when you had to kill the other guild in order to take it.

or continue farming the 50 thousandth level 40 item for no purpose other than to put on a bank alt because the other 400 people on your server already have one then logging on for the big "but we were here first!" argument.

Darwoth makes good sense here. I only log in on blue to buff folks in EC now and again.

I wouldn't seriously play blue ever again...and without a red alternative, I'd move on. I love EQ, and red allows for true competition. The people that thought they were going to be soloing PK kings aren't. (With a nod to Lovely, however). Most of the population has banded together, and dying to a PK is the exception now, not the rule. (Unless it's 4am and no one's in CB but you and 4 griefers, lol).

I was here almost on day one. I loved the experience for the most part on blue...but it's not, nor will it ever be, what we all remember. Going through all the motions on blue again would not be something I want to do...because the end result would be the same.

At least on red, everyone has the power to change things. Guild alliances can break bigger guilds' holds on zones and content. Politics can play a huge role, but PvP resolves all issues.

With the right mindset, red is incredibly fun. Even when you die 15 times to some random griefer...the game then becomes outleveling them and then hitting back...or hitting back with no hope of winning, like I tend to do. (Or catching them with their pants down, and making them pay. Whatever works).

[Faisca]

I’m against a server reset at this point, for reasons that have already been mentioned by other people here.

But if there is a reset, I would prefer that my current characters be frozen instead of deleted. This way everyone would experience the server fresh start, but with the option to go back to their “old” characters at some point and continue from there without losing all the time that was invested in those characters.

But the way I see it, the server is fine as it is. Don’t wipe it.

[Eseven]

Not to bring up the subject of two boxing.. but if it were allowed, I would play on this server again.

[Messianic]

Not to bring up the subject of two boxing.. but if it were allowed, I would play on this server again.

Says not to bring up something

Brings it up

[Rogean]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=494019&postcount=86