Who can beat Oblahblah?

[XgrimX]

So who do you think can beat Obama?

[Skekekke]

Uthgaard

[EnnoiaII]

Uthgaard

[Hasbinbad]

Honestly, I think Romney and Gingrich are going to be unable to get the base of the right in the general election because there are too many things about both people that many in the right will find unacceptable. Paul probably is the best hope, but I honestly don't think that middle America is smart enough to understand that or why. I honestly think Obama will see a second term.

None of that really matters tho, since whoever wins will just do and say whatever the CIA tells them to do and say, which is the same thing any of them would do and say in that position. Basically all the vote will change between these men is the look and speaking style of the puppet.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy was the last president who thought he could challenge the CIA and cause real change in this country.

We all know how that ended.

"Magic."

[visage]

Honestly, I think Romney and Gingrich are going to be unable to get the base of the right in the general election because there are too many things about both people that many in the right will find unacceptable. Paul probably is the best hope, but I honestly don't think that middle America is smart enough to understand that or why. I honestly think Obama will see a second term.

None of that really matters tho, since whoever wins will just do and say whatever the CIA tells them to do and say, which is the same thing any of them would do and say in that position. Basically all the vote will change between these men is the look and speaking style of the puppet.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy was the last president who thought he could challenge the CIA and cause real change in this country.

We all know how that ended.

"Magic."

Lol dude just LOL.... Seriusly....


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[Truth]

Obama is an alien in the White House. He won't get a 2nd term.

[loopholbrook]

Obama is a Kenyan and he's a Muslim and he's working with Al Qaeda and he's a socialism. We should kill him because he's black and a bad President.

[Truth]

reported u for errorism

[Hasbinbad]

Lol dude just LOL.... Seriusly....


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Yes, magic is a much more logical explanation. How did I not see that before?

[pickled_heretic]

with the abysmal approval ratings and nationwide lack of confidencein government, it's a bad time to be an incumbent, whether republican or democrat. it would take a miracle for obabo to get reelected.

a stale cheese sandwich could probably win the election right now.

[Lucidus]

A cold turkey sandwich could beat Obama in the general. However, the GOP won't run a cold turkey sandwich, instead opting for one of the three douche nozzles polled by the op. Therefore, Obama wins.

[pickled_heretic]

let me put it this way, i'd be shocked if romney wasn't the president after the coming election. not that i'm endorsing a slimy mormon like him.

[pickled_heretic]

the media's affair with gingrich is only there because they're bored of talking about romney. he has some seriously long odds to overcome if he wants to beat romney. and romney himself is a perfect shoe-in for this general... since he seems to be capable of breathing.

ron paul would be a lot of fun and i would vote for him just to stir things up but i doubt he's going to ever be able to win a primary, i mean on some issues like foreign policy and invasion of privacy he's just way out in left field for the republican party who generally supports a police state unless it comes to the economy.

[Extunarian]

I think there are Republicans who can beat Obama, but they aren't in the race. I don't think the true top tier of the GOP is running this time because they don't want to be the Kerry or Dole of 2012.

As low as Obama's numbers are currently, he is still doing better than any of the Republican candidates, but he almost always loses to the 'generic republican.' This crop of GOP candidates won't be able to take back the White House, though I do believe they'll capture the Senate and probably hold the house, but with some losses.

[Lucidus]

Yeah well I'll take an imaginary republican any day. But the real ones are are just fucked up in the head.

[pickled_heretic]

other than being a plate-worshipping mormon, romney is literally the most generic republican candidate ever. it's possible that discrimination over his religion will cost him the race but i really doubt it.

[Lucidus]

Republicans don't vote for generic republicans. Otherwise, Obama would have won all 50 states.

[pickled_heretic]

Republicans don't vote for generic republicans. Otherwise, Obama would have won all 50 states.

non sequitur.... no candidate has, or likely ever will, win all 50 states... what are we arguing about again?

[Lucidus]

There was an argument in here? Better bug out before crazy gets me.

[lululalana]

it would take a miracle for obabo to get reelected.


This alone shows how laughably uninformed you are. The only GOP candidate with a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election is Huntsman, and he's far too moderate and well spoken to win the GOP primary.

[pickled_heretic]

This alone shows how laughably uninformed you are. The only GOP candidate with a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election is Huntsman, and he's far too moderate and well spoken to win the GOP primary.

come on now, this isn't rnf, don't call me uninformed because you don't agree with me, it makes you look like a fucking retarded shitsucking dumpsterfuckwhore.

you're not one of those people, right?

elections are never about convincing more people to vote for you. instead, it's about convincing more people who already would vote for you but are normally to lazy to do so to get off their lazy asses and vote on election day.

the vast majority of people have already made up their mind and will only ever vote republican or democrat for the rest of their lives. the people who are actually interested in politics in a way that transcends the bipartisan status quo are few and far between, let's call it 5%, and i'm being generous.

a majority of people don't normally vote on election day. after all, voter turnout has been abysmal here in the states for years.

so what is the successful strategy? i say again, why bother going for the 5% that can be convinced with logic when it is far more lucrative to go for the majority of your voter base who already agree with you but are otherwise too lazy to go vote?

why am i saying all this? because the republican party doesn't really need to do anything at all to convince their base to vote this election cycle. unemployment rates alone are pretty historically damning for an incumbent president, even though the presidency has little to do with the unemployment rate. see here:

since World War II, incumbents running for a second full term won when the unemployment rate was falling and they lost when it was going up.

http://catalpacapital.tumblr.com/post/5459369545/13-may-2011-macro-insight (sauce)

in other words, based on trends beginning well over half a century ago, the republicans need to show up with a warm body (either gingrich or romney or anyone not terribly controversial will do) and the election is theirs. if obama wins, he will be reversing a 70 year trend in election cycles that has not deviated once since it started.

[Pokeman]

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[Truth]

^ those videos are must watch for anyone who wants to be informed at this critical juncture in human history

[Messianic]

Honestly, I think Romney and Gingrich are going to be unable to get the base of the right in the general election because there are too many things about both people that many in the right will find unacceptable. Paul probably is the best hope, but I honestly don't think that middle America is smart enough to understand that or why.

Apparently the military is. :)

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/New_Q3_Military_Charts_.pdf

[Lucidus]

You mean that the military likes the social-welfare-for-veterans-only candidate? Color me shocked.

[Messianic]

You mean that the military likes the social-welfare-for-veterans-only candidate? Color me shocked.

We should be shocked that the only Republican who wants to vastly draw down our foreign operations and cut defense spending of all stripes is supported by the very organizations he would be cutting.

[Lazortag]

in other words, based on trends beginning well over half a century ago, the republicans need to show up with a warm body (either gingrich or romney or anyone not terribly controversial will do) and the election is theirs. if obama wins, he will be reversing a 70 year trend in election cycles that has not deviated once since it started.

Oh.

[Shannacore]

Haha ^

[baub]

did not vote for tweedledee or tweedledum but the highlight of the night for me is the massive butthurt on fox news

[Vynn]

did not vote for tweedledee or tweedledum but the highlight of the night for me is the massive butthurt on fox news

Quoted for validity.

[MrSparkle001]

You want the truth? The real truth? The truth everyone knows but nobody wants to admit?

The only person who can beat Obama is another minority.

The reason he won is the massive turnout in urban counties which coincidentally are heavily minority. Let me ask: Do you think the turnout would have been nearly the same in 2008 if it were McCain vs, say, Kerry? Or in 2012 Romney vs Lieberman? No. In 1988 Bush won 62% of the white vote and like 400 electoral votes. In 2012 Romney won 62% of the white vote and like 200 electoral votes.

The talking heads today keep saying it's the "changing demographics" in this country, but come on, we know why urban counties voted in such huge numbers. It's racial. Not racist, racial (there's a huge difference). I'd bet my life that a lot of people voted for Obama who can't even name Romney's V.P.

It's the truth. In 2016 there will not be nearly the same turnout in urban counties as there was in 2008 and 2012, unless there's a candidate with similar racial backgrounds. It's not racist, it's just how it is.

[Lazortag]

You want the truth? The real truth? The truth everyone knows but nobody wants to admit?

The only person who can beat Obama is another minority.

The reason he won is the massive turnout in urban counties which coincidentally are heavily minority. Let me ask: Do you think the turnout would have been nearly the same in 2008 if it were McCain vs, say, Kerry? Or in 2012 Romney vs Lieberman? No. In 1988 Bush won 62% of the white vote and like 400 electoral votes. In 2012 Romney won 62% of the white vote and like 200 electoral votes.

The talking heads today keep saying it's the "changing demographics" in this country, but come on, we know why urban counties voted in such huge numbers. It's racial. Not racist, racial (there's a huge difference). I'd bet my life that a lot of people voted for Obama who can't even name Romney's V.P.

It's the truth. In 2016 there will not be nearly the same turnout in urban counties as there was in 2008 and 2012, unless there's a candidate with similar racial backgrounds. It's not racist, it's just how it is.

Well, considering minorities did overwhelmingly vote for Kerry (including 91% of the black vote), that would make your argument kind of silly wouldn't it?

Next time a republican wins let's just ignorantly blame it on the white vote.

[Lexical]

Apparently a campaign that trivializes rape, promotes creationism over evolution, and promises to harass legal immigrants is a bad campaign strategy. Who knew?

If the republican party is to continue, it needs to drop the bigoted, over zealous religious right. The GOP loses the majority on social issues a lot of the time. Ever wonder why so many of the moderate republicans jumped ship during the last 4 years? It is because the GOP caters to bigotry. That is the sad truth :(

[Wolfgang]

Apparently a campaign that trivializes rape, promotes creationism over evolution, and promises to harass legal immigrants is a bad campaign strategy. Who knew?

If the republican party is to continue, it needs to drop the bigoted, over zealous religious right. The GOP loses the majority on social issues a lot of the time. Ever wonder why so many of the moderate republicans jumped ship during the last 4 years? It is because the GOP caters to bigotry. That is the sad truth :(

well said

[Black Jesus]

democrats have the same batshit crazy foreign policy. VP debates were who would bomb a country not building a nuclear weapon faster

[Clark]

That's Romney-economics.

[Daldolma]

The GOP got swamped because they're unwilling to adapt to the reality of the changing electorate. You're not going to win elections solely on the white male protestant vote anymore. Hell, they can't even carry single white women at this point.

Purge the right-wing nutjobs and moderate your outdated ideology on religion, immigration, abortion, gay rights, birth control access, and a batshit crazy foreign policy, or keep losing every election and continue your rapid descent into irrelevancy on the level of the Dixiecrats.

p much.

Black people have voted overwhelmingly Democrat for 20+ years now. Yes, Obama enjoyed higher percentages and significantly greater turnout than typical Democrats, but that's hardly a surprise. Democrats also historically win the Hispanic and gay votes. Obama's majorities in those demos were significant, and larger than historic trends, but hardly disproportionate. I'd say that the increased percentage amongst Hispanics and gay people is as much a reflection of an increasingly radical Republican platform as it is a reflection of any kind of racial or minority identification. And even as the percentage of each demo that the Democrats are winning has grown, the base populations have increased by significant margins.

Republican foreign policy can probably stay -- it's really not all that different from the Democrats' foreign policy. But their platforms on immigration, gay rights, abortion, and taxation are going to need to be seriously reworked. They need to seriously court Hispanic voters and stop alienating gay voters that otherwise lean right. They also need to stop scaring women into thinking they're going to have to cross borders to get abortions and stop treating taxation like cruel and unusual punishment.

[Hailto]

Well, considering minorities did overwhelmingly vote for Kerry (including 91% of the black vote), that would make your argument kind of silly wouldn't it?

Next time a republican wins let's just ignorantly blame it on the white vote.

Yeah, im pretty sure the point he is making is that when its a minority candidate more minorities get out and vote for them. Not what percentage of minorities vote democrat that doesn't change very often.

[Massive Marc]

The GOP got swamped because they're unwilling to adapt to the reality of the changing electorate. You're not going to win elections solely on the white male protestant vote anymore. Hell, they can't even carry single white women at this point.

Purge the right-wing nutjobs and moderate your outdated ideology on religion, immigration, abortion, gay rights, birth control access, and a batshit crazy foreign policy, or keep losing every election and continue your rapid descent into irrelevancy on the level of the Dixiecrats.

Essentially this.

Republicans lost this more then the Democrats won. (if that makes sense)

Rudy Giuliani was on MSNBC last night and echoed the same sentiment of outdated ideology. You could see it at the coverage of both parties headquarters. Sad part is, if Republicans did a little homework and didn't have their head in the sand, they could have easily beat the Democrats.

If the Republicans can learn to stay out of peoples lives and bedrooms, relook at their stance on immigration and generally stay away from nutball crazies.. then they have a good chance during the next race. As it is now, they're WAY out of touch.

[MrSparkle001]

Yeah, im pretty sure the point he is making is that when its a minority candidate more minorities get out and vote for them. Not what percentage of minorities vote democrat that doesn't change very often.

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. The issue in 2008 and 2012 is much simpler than changing demographics or the decline of the republican party. There was what, a difference of 2 million popular votes between Obama and Romney? I wouldn't exactly take that to mean the republican party is doomed.

This election came down to urban counties voting en masse for Obama. Look at Florida. Most of the counties went red but the urban counties went overwhelmingly blue, and not coincidentally those counties are the most heavily populated and have the most minorities.

The pressure is now on the Dems to produce a candidate in 2016 who will have the same appeal Obama did, who will entice people who would otherwise not vote to get out and vote.

[Hailto]

Republicans need to run a minority candidate in 2016. Then we can watch with glee as democrats have to explain why he is actually white and a racist.

[Black Jesus]

these communist ghoul democrats are literally worse than the neocons were

[Lexical]

Republicans need to run a minority candidate in 2016. Then we can watch with glee as democrats have to explain why he is actually white and a racist.

Don't really need to attack the candidate. It is incredibly hard to drum up support when you have people like Rush Limbaugh waving their Republican card and spouting inane garbage.

[stormlord]

I've officially been labelled a racist now probably a couple dozen times just because I liked Mitt. I guess this means I should be thrown in prison? Where do racists like me go these days? Where's my dog tag?

Geez. I have no trouble with the color of Obama's skin. Don't know why others think that means anything to me. Maybe they never heard of other parties than the democrats? Wouldn't surprise me.

Obama winning just means the democrats will lose in 2016. Everybody will know by then what's good for this country. Unfortunately, everybody periodically forgets and has to be reminded.

[Hailto]

Don't really need to attack the candidate. It is incredibly hard to drum up support when you have people like Rush Limbaugh waving their Republican card and spouting inane garbage.

Yeah, there certainly weren't any personal attack ads in this last election. What was i thinking?

[Lexical]

Yeah, there certainly weren't any personal attack ads in this last election. What was i thinking?

I never said there wasn't? Just saying that you don't need to target a candidate, just the party he is running under.

[Hailto]

No, im not butt hurt actually, its out of my control. I just like to call bullshit when i see it, and you sir are composed of about 95 percent shit yourself.

[Hailto]

I never said there wasn't? Just saying that you don't need to target a candidate, just the party he is running under.

Lol......yeah...point being both sides do it to each other every time. It will be funny if aforementioned situation comes to pass.

[Hailto]

Lol

2/10

[Diggles]

WE DONT WANT A MUSLIM RUNNING A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY


votes for a mormon

[Hailto]

WE DONT WANT A MUSLIM RUNNING A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY


votes for a mormon

I don't believe Obama is a very religious man in general. All religion is destructive, but i'd still prefer a mormon, having said that.

[Diggles]

I don't believe Obama is a very religious man in general. All religion is destructive, but i'd still prefer a mormon, having said that.

ya i'd definitely choose a 150 year old religion that believes in magic underwear over a president who isn't actually muslim

[Hailto]

ya i'd definitely choose a 150 year old religion that believes in magic underwear over a president who isn't actually muslim

A Mormon over a muslim, as your post was originally implying. Its not hard.

[Hitchens]

I have experienced Haze's political positions in real time on IRC.

They are no less nonsensical there than on these terrible forums.

[Hailto]

Thank you for checking in Hitchens. Feel free to add something to the discussion next time if you like.

[Hitchens]

Obama 2016?

[Reiker000]

Thank you for checking in Hitchens. Feel free to add something to the discussion next time if you like.

You mean like, "Religion is destructive, but I prefer the guy who's running for president solely to fulfill some ancient mormon prophecy to usher in the second coming of Native American Jesus"

?

[Hailto]

You mean like, "Religion is destructive, but I prefer the guy who's running for president solely to fulfill some ancient mormon prophecy to usher in the second coming of Native American Jesus"

?

Yeah, something like that.