PoP starting to dwindle...hovering close to 300 now

[Rust1d?]

The other week, I made a post about the population going below 400. People chalked it up to being holidays. Now the population is starting to hover near 300. I know a few people who already left because of the grind, people just zoning over and over to avoid pvp etc.

Any thoughts to improve? Things like lovely exploiting his way to 50 really does not help matters.

[Slave]

Fixing the numerous game-changing (breaking) issues would be a good start.

[Ripcord]

im surprised there are as many as there are that will put up with the xp rate tbh, its brutal as fuck and im a no life loser who loves the old sting again but i can see with adhd and WoW players nowadays mmo pop really isnt looking for this, clearly hardcore niche. also darwoth.

[MethodSZ]

I gotta be honest, I love the nostalgia, but my body just isn't ready for this grind, especially with swtor and gw2 coming out soon.

I think not having a boosted xp rate, and not having some form of item loot, makes this server feel too much like blue99.

[Darwoth]

pop is right where i expected it to be at this stage, number of new release wow knockoffs and their betas coming out, most of the bluebies went back to argueing over who gets to campo what on the blue server and the add retards that want max level 3 days after logging in are finishing fading out.

when things stabilize peak will have 250 - 350.

[Lazortag]

You really can't blame the dwindling population on the slow grind. Slow exp makes people log in because there's more they have to do. Every other pvp server started to lower in population once everyone hit 50 in a week.

[Doodle]

I think it's fine, if you're so worry, advertise to other popular boards.

[Muchew]

You really can't blame the dwindling population on the slow grind. Slow exp makes people log in because there's more they have to do. Every other pvp server started to lower in population once everyone hit 50 in a week.

coming from a bluebie... I quit playing on red once I got sick of the slow exp (a. being classicly slow exp, b. being pvp makes it hard to sit down and grind). I've already spent an eternity grinding on Blue, don't really feel like doing it again. It gets rid of the casual players like myself.

Not that I think exp rate should be increased, but yeah you can blame dwindling population on a slow grind.

[Darwoth]

on Blue

as i said

[SearyxTZ]

You really can't blame the dwindling population on the slow grind. Slow exp makes people log in because there's more they have to do. Every other pvp server started to lower in population once everyone hit 50 in a week.

Agree on that, but also agree that the exp grind here is simply too brutal - particularly with all of the pointless hybrid/race exp penalties.


I've spent 15+ hours on my paladin (having turned in 60+ gnoll fangs for exp), and I'm level..... *drum roll* ..... eight. Level 8. I'd say 95% of the players in the Qeynos area skirt PvP and even help eachother simply because they don't want to make the early grind any tougher than it already is.

I don't think the server is in trouble because the pop is in the 300's - at least not yet. Didn't most people predict it would start in the 400's and drop to a steady 300'ish? If it goes down to 200's, then it's cause for major concern.

I'll float this out here again: I think serverwide ooc/auction should be re-considered given the current population. The channels right now simply go completely unused, and I've had some unguilded friends talk about quitting because they are lonely and bored.

The divide between the casual and the hardcore player is going to widen, which will mean a gradual decline in people stuck in the early levels. I really feel like the server would only stand to benefit if the 1-30 grind was increased substantially (the 30-50 grind could stay brutal), or we're going to see casual players that are level 18 four months from now with nobody to group with and nobody to talk to.

[hotstud]

Honestly the problem is the promotion of the server, there is none. It relies on word of mouth and such but most people who play here played EQ and they know people who used to play EQ but all of those resources are tapped if. If anyone from those groups wants to play here they are playing here. The only way to raise population is to start marketing Project 1999 as a great free to play MMO, the only problem is you can't tell people to pirate the client.

[Darwoth]

yeah getting a few of those random shitty banner ads games like evony etc have would bring in a shitload of people, as would posting on a few korean/chinese gamer sites, those folks tend to zerg everything they touch.

[Darwoth]

also submit it to some of those top 50 "free to play mmorpg" site lists etc

[hotstud]

Problem is if you send them to project1999.org they'll read getting started and be like.. I have to buy the client? Fuck this place. If you send them to a page that tells them to pirate you have to deal with legal troubles. That wouldn't be issue if you just make a page on a free blog host or something as it's their responsibility to remove the page but if you're buying advertising to that page you've now created a money link to the pirate page which can be traced and I doubt anyone is going to go through the trouble to creating an untraceable source of money for buying advertising to a parasite hosted page telling people to pirate the client. That is what it would take though unless someone not associated with the project feels like exposing themselves to the minor legal risk of buying advertising to a page that tells people to pirate and gives them a link to a torrent.

[Ssleeve]

Problem is if you send them to project1999.org they'll read getting started and be like.. I have to buy the client? Fuck this place. If you send them to a page that tells them to pirate you have to deal with legal troubles. That wouldn't be issue if you just make a page on a free blog host or something as it's their responsibility to remove the page but if you're buying advertising to that page you've now created a money link to the pirate page which can be traced and I doubt anyone is going to go through the trouble to creating an untraceable source of money for buying advertising to a parasite hosted page telling people to pirate the client. That is what it would take though unless someone not associated with the project feels like exposing themselves to the minor legal risk of buying advertising to a page that tells people to pirate and gives them a link to a torrent.

What are you talking about? No one I know pirates using torrents.

[Darwoth]

could simply say "to play you need the client, you can either buy it from "insert link" or find one of the many alternate sources on the internet"

im sure most people could figure out where to get the client.

[SearyxTZ]

You guys really think a random non-EQ player is going to last even 1 hour with the early level EQ experience being what it is? Be realistic here. You can play WoW for free or even something like Runes of Magic which ramps up players way better + doesn't require all of the complicated installation shit.

I don't think that's the target audience of the server

[Darwoth]

lol ever play a typical korean game?

makes the grind here look easier than wow.

[Doors]

Trying to pick up people that never or rarely played EQ isn't going to work.

About the only suggestion half decent is global OOC. P99 blue had it in the beginning then the population got huge and they removed it. Global auction wouldn't hurt either considering there are people that rarely use the forums that play here.

[gloinz]

600 to 300 bc of grind imo gives feeling of hopelessness

[gloinz]

600 to 300 bc of grind imo gives feeling of hopelessness never gonna reach max levels and such

[Softcore PK]

The game doesn't start at level 50.

[SanlavenTZ]

I don't see a problem with global OOC given the current population numbers, though global OOC wouldn't be used as much without the global wide yellow-text for PvP kills that the VZ/TZ emu had. I don't think the population hovering around 300 is bad right now, but if it keeps dropping it will be.

I wasn't really expecting much higher of population than the one there is now. It was mostly VZ/TZ emu players and with an infusion of Blue99 players that were looking to check this out, and a lot of people that played on VZ/TZ really have no interest in playing EQ anymore.

[racist]

item loot would fix everything, do it now.

[Srs Not Ames]

600 to 300 bc of grind imo gives feeling of hopelessness never gonna reach max levels and such

[SanlavenTZ]

The grind really isn't that bad, not sure why you guys are bitching considering how high of a level most player in your guild have attained. The server is 3 weeks old and we have several players closing in on level 50. After a month playing on Live I'm pretty sure I was level 14 or so.

If the grind were easier, everyone would be level 50 already and Nagafen/Vox would have been slain twice. In a few weeks everyone would be asking for Kunark to be released. No thanks.

[Slave]

Item loot (including inside bags) with No-Drop tags completely removed as on Fironia Vie, global ooc and auction, guard/faction assist, white con for in-range pvp, mobs moving at normal speed instead of greatly increased speed, remove race and/or class penalties to exp (keep bonuses)... and a penalty for zone plugging.

So the grind is more than many of us expected even coming from blue, but that adds an aspect of challenge that is part of the EQ that we all remember and love deeply.

AND BEING ABLE TO INTERRUPT OUR OWN SPELLS WOULD BE NICE.

[SanlavenTZ]

Item loot would kill this server's population faster than anyone else's complaints about the server combined

[Ssleeve]

AND BEING ABLE TO INTERRUPT OUR OWN SPELLS WOULD BE NICE.

It's called "sit" or "jump"

[Slave]

It's called "sit" or "jump"

Oh I take it you've tried these. No wait, you haven't. Lol sitting in melee range of a mob, GREAT IDEA! And I know you haven't tried these because jump doesn't work.

[Slave]

Remove play nice rules and allow training.

[gloinz]

The grind really isn't that bad, not sure why you guys are bitching considering how high of a level most player in your guild have attained. The server is 3 weeks old and we have several players closing in on level 50. After a month playing on Live I'm pretty sure I was level 14 or so.

If the grind were easier, everyone would be level 50 already and Nagafen/Vox would have been slain twice. In a few weeks everyone would be asking for Kunark to be released. No thanks.

neckbeards dont speak for the 99% naw mean

btw interesting statistic blue 99 has more ppl during peak hours, red 99 has more ppl during nonpeak... hypothesis: means we have more neckbeards

[SearyxTZ]

global ooc/auction + guard assist pls

[Ssleeve]

Oh I take it you've tried these. No wait, you haven't. Lol sitting in melee range of a mob, GREAT IDEA! And I know you haven't tried these because jump doesn't work.

Oh you mean canceling your spells?

I thought you meant interrupting, I don't know how I got that impression.

BEING ABLE TO INTERRUPT OUR OWN SPELLS WOULD BE NICE.

[Doors]

nawmean

[Slave]

Oh you mean canceling your spells?

I thought you meant interrupting, I don't know how I got that impression.

Unsure if serious.

[Sarkhan]

Global chat is by far the worse idea I've been reading.. If you want to kill the population and deter any new players from coming to Red99, go for it, give global ooc. Global OOC is bad, especially for a pvp server -> Have you guys even read half the posts in the server chat? Its a mirror of R&F and the chat channels would be so filled up with shit talking and stupidity you would never get any new players joining the server unless they were the age of 12 and thought they were cool.

[Slave]

Global chat is by far the worse idea I've been reading.. If you want to kill the population and deter any new players from coming to Red99, go for it, give global ooc. Global OOC is bad, especially for a pvp server -> Have you guys even read half the posts in the server chat? Its a mirror of R&F and the chat channels would be so filled up with shit talking and stupidity you would never get any new players joining the server unless they were the age of 12 and thought they were cool.

Shit talking and especially swearing is already disallowed in public chat channels as per server rules.

[Sarkhan]

Later on in the game too the global OOC would only get worse.

You think there are hate threads started in here from guilds arguing about each other? Just wait until guilds start raiding, then they'll just be arguing with each other in the global chat too

[Ripcord]

disgusting public chat and a flood of moronic coments actually helps a first impression, who wants to log in to a potential place to spend retarded ammounts of time and have it feel like a ghost town? even the nasty offensive shit told me big things were happening here after merely 10 seconds of lifespan in this new world

[SearyxTZ]

How do you think the experience is for a solo/casual player without a guild?

How about a couple months from now when the newb zones are even less populated?


Nobody even uses the channels right now. You say that global OOC would have a lot of idiotic shit, and that's true, but in my mind there is nothing worse than feeling like you're playing in a ghost town (or the worst single player game ever). This isn't blue1999 where there's some central hub of activity like EC.

[Softcore PK]

If you need ooc to communicate with people, you are playing in a ghost town. Let's hope it doesn't come to that :/

[gloinz]

How do you think the experience is for a solo/casual player without a guild?

How about a couple months from now when the newb zones are even less populated?


Nobody even uses the channels right now. You say that global OOC would have a lot of idiotic shit, and that's true, but in my mind there is nothing worse than feeling like you're playing in a ghost town (or the worst single player game ever). This isn't blue1999 where there's some central hub of activity like EC.

server dead heard it here first

[Darksinga]

You guys are forgetting it's the Holiday Season. I know every one wanted a sooner release, but things are just so damn busy in probably most peoples lives. On my bard I barely have one day played after what? 2-3 weeks?

[Diggles]

Nell, quit Spear and let's make an apartment (guild about Lovely) together.

[SearyxTZ]

All I'm saying is if the pop is 300'ish then we should have global channels.

If it's 500+ then yeah I get it. Keep it zone specific.

[Ripcord]

nell that made no sense, if a global communication system is in place and you use it, you are playing alone??

i really dont get how letting everyone (even the retards) have a viable channel to communicate gamewide would be detrimental or hazardous to the server. there is always /ignore and /turn off ooc if you wish to self-censor but to take away the very option is fascist and close minded and btw, what are you trying to hide from people, the way people really are here? let it flourish and wear that shit like armor.

you play classic pvp eq emu. fuck yea.

[Fangorn]

Make it easy for us to level, give us instant travel and flight paths, give us quest hubs and make sure that the npcs have a yellow ! over their heads, and give us rested experience if we camp out at the inn!

For I am the simpleton, lowest common denominator modern mmoer with ADD. I want explosions. I want top graphics. Most of all I want for my hand to be held and I want things to be easy. I can't wait for swtor or gw2, or some other wow model copy like the 20 others released before them.

[Diggles]

Hey Searyx, i stole your idea and made it fail

[Thestrongseed]

NO 1. XP is too slow its a fact despite your reasons....
no.2 a solo player stands no chance against the tyrant that is horrendus XP penalties.
no.3 all the guilds are ran by fag jew hitler type leaders, real og players go guildless.
no.4 The real og then suffers xp loss for not grouping with jew,fag,hitler type faggets.

solution, Increase xp so solo players can compete with the fags and nerds yea some of of have jobs and kids.

no.2 Take away dumb time sinks, aka disabled maps and other dumb shit that just make xping that much more of a bleeding hemoroid in my asshole.

Next,,, make it to where we can all speak in 1 channel, i mean I make a level 1 OGRE there is nobody in the conecting zones MAN THIS LOOKS FUN!

Hmm what else nerf mage earth pet that shit roots too much, JESUS CHRIST, nerf that shit already son of a bitch!

[Diggles]

...wat

[Bkab]

strong steed my new favorite poster on boards after that one

[Masq]

the problem isnt the server, its the community.

[Yinaltin]

is it possible to enable a partly ooc that is non global ? you can read the ooc at an maximum of 3 zones away from you . like you are in upper guk and can read ooc up to oasis , grobb , rath mountains , oggok . so you are not that alone anymore and have some guys to speak with . possible to do ? wanted by the community ?

[Bazooka]

is it possible to enable a partly ooc that is non global ? you can read the ooc at an maximum of 3 zones away from you . like you are in upper guk and can read ooc up to oasis , grobb , rath mountains , oggok . so you are not that alone anymore and have some guys to speak with . possible to do ? wanted by the community ?

wanted

[SearyxTZ]

Is there a reason we couldn't just have the custom chat channels (I think they were Luclin era)?

where you could "/join 1" or join auction or whatever

[Bkab]

Is there a reason we couldn't just have the custom chat channels (I think they were Luclin era)?

where you could "/join 1" or join auction or whatever

that makes the most sense.. people who want global chat have it, those who don't, don't.

to be honest, they probably just don't want to dick with moderating it.

[Slave]

Is there a reason we couldn't just have the custom chat channels (I think they were Luclin era)?

where you could "/join 1" or join auction or whatever

The reason is that it is Unclassic™, a reason that doesn't tend to hold a whole lot of weight with me anymore when it comes to non-gameplay changing mechanics. Of course I'm just a master gamer and have nothing to do with coding so I have no idea if that has anything to do with it.

[georgie]

nell that made no sense, if a global communication system is in place and you use it, you are playing alone??

i really dont get how letting everyone (even the retards) have a viable channel to communicate gamewide would be detrimental or hazardous to the server. there is always /ignore and /turn off ooc if you wish to self-censor but to take away the very option is fascist and close minded and btw, what are you trying to hide from people, the way people really are here? let it flourish and wear that shit like armor.

you play classic pvp eq emu. fuck yea.

he or she means that if the server needs global OOC then that's when there's problem with the population. that you need global OOC for talking to the low population server /answered

[Thoughtseize]

Problem is if you send them to project1999.org they'll read the forums

ftfy

[Ziggy]

No one who plays this game is a 'casual', if you are here you have played this game for years. This server has a higher constant player population than ANY OTHER EMULATED PVP SERVER EVER AT ANY TIME. It is the ONLY emu PvP server to ever have real pve.

quit the QQ, hardcore niche confirmed

[oldfish]

I think the problem is people wanted something to deter people from pvping (xp loss) and its working. It probably also making the server lose numbers. Its like a blue server mainly with an extra grind factor.

So how i see it, im asking myself if its worth grinding to 50, with not much pvp on the way top, with a server thats going to hover in pop at 150-300 if it doesnt get any worse than it is right now.

And it will probably get worse once twinks start being made and any new blood (even people who played since launch that are going to start seeing poopsocker twinks) to the server discouraged from pvping and pursuing a character by xp loss.

I may be wrong, but thats how i see it.

[Ziggy]

I think the problem is people wanted something to deter people from pvping (xp loss) and its working. It probably also making the server lose numbers. Its like a blue server mainly with an extra grind factor.

So how i see it, im asking myself if its worth grinding to 50, with not much pvp on the way top, with a server thats going to hover in pop at 150-300 if it doesnt get any worse than it is right now.

And it will probably get worse once twinks start being made and any new blood (even people who played since launch that are going to start seeing poopsocker twinks) to the server discouraged from pvping and pursuing a character by xp loss.

I may be wrong, but thats how i see it.

if you aren't willing to take the risk then you don't reap the rewards, if you want pvp you can find it. but thats besides the point, this game has ALWAYS been hard and if you are going to have a server like this you should do it right. this thread just proves how narrow this game's niche is.

[oldfish]

if you aren't willing to take the risk then you don't reap the rewards, if you want pvp you can find it. but thats besides the point, this game has ALWAYS been hard and if you are going to have a server like this you should do it right. this thread just proves how narrow this game's niche is.

Right but with odds being most of the times not in your favor if you are not in a big guild, risk = xp loss most of the times. Even me who had long drawn out pvp sessions on rallos is not doing them, because i know most of the times the odds are against me and will result in xp loss. I could get lucky and play well and get one guy and scoot, but thats not gonna happen most of the times. So i find myself thinking "oh ill just get to 19, then ill pvp". "Oh just get to 24, then ill pvp more".

You can say its my fault im not going out and pvping but i honestly find PVE a boring experience that ive done on blue already and that im only repeating because there is a pvp component attached to it. Since im always postponing pvp because of the extra grind in pve i dread, im not pvping. Which means im getting bored, which gets me closer to playing casual, which gets me closer to quit.

The game is already hard as it is, no need to add to it, especially when the brunt of the extra hardness is put on people who are more likely to quit.

[Lovely]

Give them global OOC

[Mabash]

Need to have global OOC so the blues can have a 911 channel to report when they're getting plowed so they can call for blackup.

[Palemoon]

No global OOC, I'm enjoying the world feeling like a huge place.

[Rust1d?]

IMO...

1) Grind is way too much.Killing the same crap over and over again for 8 hours straight to gain a level gets boring. Exp needs to be at a minimum, double what it is now. You say people got to 50 already, look how they got there.

2) I thought low level PVP would be interesting. It is not. 99% of the time when I engaged someone in pvp, they zone hop till they are 5%, log, then bitch to my ex-guild leaders that I was PKing them when in fact they started it.

3) As games like TOR and GW2 come one, the population will only get worse.

[Doodle]

IMO...

1) Grind is way too much.Killing the same crap over and over again for 8 hours straight to gain a level gets boring. Exp needs to be at a minimum, double what it is now. You say people got to 50 already, look how they got there.

2) I thought low level PVP would be interesting. It is not. 99% of the time when I engaged someone in pvp, they zone hop till they are 5%, log, then bitch to my ex-guild leaders that I was PKing them when in fact they started it.

3) As games like TOR and GW2 come one, the population will only get worse.

Will you please shut up about the grind. Jesus, they won't fix it because everyone else, like myself, is enjoying the classic aspect. If you want to get level 50 in a day, go play World of Warcraft.

If you don't find low level PVP interesting, don't do it. You're virtually complaining about an issue with no solution to accompany it that'd make us better off.

[Muaar]

http://geekwhisperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/asckigacop038dn.jpg?w=432&h=256
STOP WHINING

[MethodSZ]

Agree on that, but also agree that the exp grind here is simply too brutal - particularly with all of the pointless hybrid/race exp penalties.


I've spent 15+ hours on my paladin (having turned in 60+ gnoll fangs for exp), and I'm level..... *drum roll* ..... eight. Level 8. I'd say 95% of the players in the Qeynos area skirt PvP and even help eachother simply because they don't want to make the early grind any tougher than it already is.

...

The divide between the casual and the hardcore player is going to widen, which will mean a gradual decline in people stuck in the early levels. I really feel like the server would only stand to benefit if the 1-30 grind was increased substantially (the 30-50 grind could stay brutal), or we're going to see casual players that are level 18 four months from now with nobody to group with and nobody to talk to.

I have to agree w/ this. Boost 1-30 xp, maybe 50% like we had for that one Sunday after server downtime. Or add a 50% bonus to all the "starter" dungeons - runnyeye blackburrow crushbone mistmoore unrest etc. I know some of these already have bonuses, but increase it.

If you think low level population isn't a problem, roll a level 1 warrior right now and see how difficult it is to level and group. If you weren't in that first wave of new players you've basically missed the xp boat.

[Muaar]

http://geekwhisperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/asckigacop038dn.jpg?w=432&h=256
STOP WHINING

good point


edit: the largest obstacle isnt the game, it's the community. shutting down the pvp forums might help population

[Doodle]

I have to agree w/ this. Boost 1-30 xp, maybe 50% like we had for that one Sunday after server downtime. Or add a 50% bonus to all the "starter" dungeons - runnyeye blackburrow crushbone mistmoore unrest etc. I know some of these already have bonuses, but increase it.

If you think low level population isn't a problem, roll a level 1 warrior right now and see how difficult it is to level and group. If you weren't in that first wave of new players you've basically missed the xp boat.

They never said it was going to be easy. Not sure why you want Blizzard to come take over management so they can give you rest exp and double the exp from mobs.


Go cry somewhere else.

[inimegalg]

Few reasons for this...

a) grind is horrible... I was as hardcore as it got in Live, and well 10 years later responsibilities change, odds are people were playing other games to, and it just equals out to an overall frustrating experience... there have been times that I have logged on, played for 6 hrs and actually was further behind than when I started...

b) star wars, wow patch 4.3, etc things will continue to dwindle as GW2, diablo 3 etc come out.. this server imo was a year or two too late... 2 years ago, if it would have had a great pop

c) people cheating and absolutely nothing being done about it... y should I legit grind to 50 with work, school, gf, etc when the nolifers even tho they have 16+ hrs to play the game still go out of their way to cheat to lvl?

And there is a plenitude or other things that have turned me off.. but oddly enough I haven't stopped playing.. why? because EQ PvP at it's highest level is truly a rewarding experience, and a ruleset that doesn't exist in current games..

[Rushmore]

The VZTZ vets use to get excited to see the +200 number on the server login screen and that was generally around 110 people playing because of two-boxing. Right now we have around 350 at peak times. Around 200 is where I see it going and that will be enough.

Nothing in any game out right now is going to give you the experience like Raid pvp for Vox or Naggy. Or other big guild fights in Fear and Hate.

Stop fucking whining...stop anticipating some shitty new game. I promise you if your here already that you aren't there target audience. You want more from your games and I will see you back 1-2 months after the release of SWTOR or whatever it is. Go give them more of your money. So they will keep making shitty games you really don't want to play.

Respect the grind. Respect this game. Or GTFO.

[Envious]

I'd play, but I might forget to fleet save one night...

And that would suck.

[Envious]

Also, no point in playing with all the known cheaters that have already been caught but get to continue to play.

Simply not worth the time to grind to 50, just to have to deal with the same hacking shitbags I dealt with on VZ/TZ 1.0-4.0.

On the plus side, the server can prolly survive with 75-150 people. Which is what it will end up at around March / April of next year.

[Doodle]

Few reasons for this...

a) grind is horrible... I was as hardcore as it got in Live, and well 10 years later responsibilities change, odds are people were playing other games to, and it just equals out to an overall frustrating experience... there have been times that I have logged on, played for 6 hrs and actually was further behind than when I started...

b) star wars, wow patch 4.3, etc things will continue to dwindle as GW2, diablo 3 etc come out.. this server imo was a year or two too late... 2 years ago, if it would have had a great pop

c) people cheating and absolutely nothing being done about it... y should I legit grind to 50 with work, school, gf, etc when the nolifers even tho they have 16+ hrs to play the game still go out of their way to cheat to lvl?

And there is a plenitude or other things that have turned me off.. but oddly enough I haven't stopped playing.. just my play time has gone down even further....

Don't give up brother.

Learn to make it fun for yourself. I understand that some people might go too far with some things and make it seem worthless to level legimately but it's all an adventure.

The biggest question you need to ask yourself is:

"Why should I worry about what someone else is doing if it doesn't effect me?"

I run around tee-heeing everywhere, having a good time. I've lost so many levels to pvp or just dieing to shit but I'm not going to complain about the exp grind. The journey of leveling to max level was most of the adventure for any game.

Just learn to make the most of your time. I don't have a lot of time to play while deployed but I make it worth while.

Because god dammit, I don't know about you but I just love killing moss snakes.

[Rushmore]

Also, no point in playing with all the known cheaters that have already been caught but get to continue to play.

Simply not worth the time to grind to 50, just to have to deal with the same hacking shitbags I dealt with on VZ/TZ 1.0-4.0.

On the plus side, the server can prolly survive with 75-150 people. Which is what it will end up at around March / April of next year.

1 dude supposedly cheated his way to 50!? and this has made you stop playing. No you aren't playing because you're a whining ass little bitch who could be xping right now but is wasting more of there time in life posting on a forum where they've admitted not wanting to play.

You see this is the problem pals. More pewpew less qq

[inimegalg]

The VZTZ vets use to get excited to see the +200 number on the server login screen and that was generally around 110 people playing because of two-boxing. Right now we have around 350 at peak times. Around 200 is where I see it going and that will be enough.

Nothing in any game out right now is going to give you the experience like Raid pvp for Vox or Naggy. Or other big guild fights in Fear and Hate.

Stop fucking whining...stop anticipating some shitty new game. I promise you if your here already that you aren't there target audience. You want more from your games and I will see you back 1-2 months after the release of SWTOR or whatever it is. Go give them more of your money. So they will keep making shitty games you really don't want to play.

Respect the grind. Respect this game. Or GTFO.


I agree with you EQ PvP is fun.... trust me I've played enough of WoW PvP ;) .... nothing like spamming '/' to see if you got some pvp on ur hands.... the suprise factor in EQ will always b fun as opposed to the pre-select instanced pvp like wow or other games

[Doodle]

Respect the grind. Respect this game. Or GTFO.

[MethodSZ]

Also, no point in playing with all the known cheaters that have already been caught but get to continue to play.

Simply not worth the time to grind to 50, just to have to deal with the same hacking shitbags I dealt with on VZ/TZ 1.0-4.0.

On the plus side, the server can prolly survive with 75-150 people. Which is what it will end up at around March / April of next year.

It'd be nice if Rogean or someone made a post just being like, yes/no there were some exploits/exploiters, and yes/no something was done about it. Seems like every retard on the server has their own idea of what went down and how big of a deal it was.

And with regards to the people screaming classic regarding xp:

we have non-classic spells in the game
we have non-classic quests in the game
we have non-classic mechanics in the game

deal with it

[Softcore PK]

nell that made no sense, if a global communication system is in place and you use it, you are playing alone??

i really dont get how letting everyone (even the retards) have a viable channel to communicate gamewide would be detrimental or hazardous to the server. there is always /ignore and /turn off ooc if you wish to self-censor but to take away the very option is fascist and close minded and btw, what are you trying to hide from people, the way people really are here? let it flourish and wear that shit like armor.

you play classic pvp eq emu. fuck yea.

It's not global ooc itself that would make you alone, it's the need for global ooc in order to interact with people that would cause you to be alone. Being an MMO and all, if you find yourself with no one inside your zones to talk to you really are all alone. Global ooc is just an illusion of player interaction.

And call me a masochist, but I really like having auction zones in place. It really is nice for the lights to have Kelethin and the darks to have Neriak as the trading hubs. Global ooc would trivialize the distance between players wanting to trade.

But the main reason not to include global ooc into the game is because we don't need it. With 300 people online at once, that's a lot of spam :P

OF course, this is just my opinion and other people have very valid dissenting points :)

[conFIGured]

I just started on here late, sure its slow, sure u can get killed.... but sheesh people, make some friends. Everybodys so afraid of sharing xp and getting ganked that your maken it hard. Join a guild asap, make your guild members group with people. This isnt a blue server, you need to group and work together here....have you never played a PVP server before? Its not that bad.
The more nubs we help the more chances we have of them staying and increasing pop...

[Zalaerian]

Its hard out there

[Matador]

Have you seen these mean streets? Fig? I was minding my own business the other day and somebody just KILLED me and took my money. This place makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcomb X

[Rushmore]

I just started on here late, sure its slow, sure u can get killed.... but sheesh people, make some friends. Everybodys so afraid of sharing xp and getting ganked that your maken it hard. Join a guild asap, make your guild members group with people. This isnt a blue server, you need to group and work together here....have you never played a PVP server before? Its not that bad.
The more nubs we help the more chances we have of them staying and increasing pop...

[fistses]

theres enough grind at 50 for items that this grind to get 50 makes it not worth it

[conFIGured]

Have you seen these mean streets? Fig? I was minding my own business the other day and somebody just KILLED me and took my money. This place makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcomb X


Hehe, I have, I was killed and lost 5 plat at lvl 6 :( all the money i had, lol, its rough. Now im stuck farming rusted weapons for spell money again hahaha.

[Softcore PK]

Noobs are our most precious resource, we really should be doing all we can to ensure they aren't scared off the server. I'll be making a twink eventually to help keep CB safe from bad guys.. though with the 4 level range at that level I'll be very limited :(

[Matador]

no more poopsocking guys, fight through the levels, fiiiiight

[jrwriter]

When did my estimate I said 400 500 start. 250. After the real players are around b4 server was around. And it's right were it should be

[Envious]

1 dude supposedly cheated his way to 50!? and this has made you stop playing. No you aren't playing because you're a whining ass little bitch who could be xping right now but is wasting more of there time in life posting on a forum where they've admitted not wanting to play.

You see this is the problem pals. More pewpew less qq

Neg...

I stopped when the suspension / ban lists were not made public. And when people caught using MQ etc during beta were not banned for live.

Allowing clowns to beta test their MQ builds is not kosher imo.

Atm, my time is at a premium... yeah, I read the forums. Cause in 20 minutes, while doing something else or listening to something else, I can read, get some "Lols" at the drama, and move on.

It happens. Some people start to prep for their careers, albeit late as fuck, and dont have the time to waste on an endeavor with zero benefits and glaring faults.

[nilbog]

dont have the time to waste on an endeavor with zero benefits and glaring faults.

Like these forums? :P

[oldfish]

I just started on here late, sure its slow, sure u can get killed.... but sheesh people, make some friends. Everybodys so afraid of sharing xp and getting ganked that your maken it hard. Join a guild asap, make your guild members group with people. This isnt a blue server, you need to group and work together here....have you never played a PVP server before? Its not that bad.
The more nubs we help the more chances we have of them staying and increasing pop...

I would deal with the grind if at least i could stop it for a while and mix it with a 6 hour pvp session once in a while. That is just going to set me back in the pve grind which is horrid enough already without some custom added time sink on top of it. The more nubs we help? lol youre new to this community are you? Most people are just happy to grief, and xp loss is the perfect lulz generator, it will be 10 times worse once all that the new guys can expect out of pvp is getting steamrolled by twinks and receive tells like "Xp loss, U MAD?"

Of course you need to make friends, join a guild etc which i did, but still cant beat holo/FB/IF numbers when theyre in a zone. Without xp loss i could have some fun giving it a try, although im 95% sure ill die. With this system, just a tiny setback on the pve grind is making me have second thoughts because its so huge already.

[Slave]

your maken it hard.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2110/226139-ironhide_facepalm.jpg

[conFIGured]

I would deal with the grind if at least i could stop it for a while and mix it with a 6 hour pvp session once in a while. That is just going to set me back in the pve grind which is horrid enough already without some custom added time sink on top of it. The more nubs we help? lol youre new to this community are you? Most people are just happy to grief, and xp loss is the perfect lulz generator, it will be 10 times worse once all that the new guys can expect out of pvp is getting steamrolled by twinks and receive tells like "Xp loss, U MAD?"

Of course you need to make friends, join a guild etc which i did, but still cant beat holo/FB/IF numbers when theyre in a zone. Without xp loss i could have some fun giving it a try, although im 95% sure ill die. With this system, just a tiny setback on the pve grind is making me have second thoughts because its so huge already.

I know man, but thats just the way it is, gotta work with it.....

[oldfish]

I know man, but thats just the way it is, gotta work with it.....

lol this is not laws of gravity, or else i wouldnt bother posting here.

Its not like "DAMM IT, THAT TENNIS BALL KEEPS FALLING BACK TO EARTH WHEN I THROW IT AT THE SUN, ROGEAN CAN YOU TWEAK THIS?"

[Darwoth]

the fucking xp loss is so low as to be nonexistant, have you actually logged in and fought anyone yet or are you just spewing retarded crap that other level 3's said?

[Kassel]

apparently the classic portion of pve is too hard for the hard core pvpers

[MrSparkle001]

I built a new computer and have been playing Skyrim and Battlefield 3. It may mean I don't log in for a long, long time.

With the holidays coming it may mean a lot of people don't log in for a long, long time.

Plus, is anyone surprised? I think a lot of us knew that after the novelty of classic PvP wore off the population would drop. It's only the beginning too, it will drop more.

[solid]

Server pop is suffering b/c it is without Big Solid's star-power. I have received over 3 AOL instant messages confirming.

[Diggles]

swtor will kill 1999 for a good month im afraid

[Knuckle]

doubt

[oldfish]

the fucking xp loss is so low as to be nonexistant, have you actually logged in and fought anyone yet or are you just spewing retarded crap that other level 3's said?

Ok heres some screenshots:

Step 1, Character before dying to pvp:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/xp12.jpg/

Step 2, "nonexistant" xp loss

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/xp22.jpg/

Thats 2.2 blues from a single pvp death at 24.

Hmm wtf cant link images?

[Diggles]

http://i.imgur.com/qYcUC.png

[Smedy]

thats bullshit, i dont loose nearly as much, that looks like a PVE death to me.

[Smedy]

diggles you ugly retarded piece of shit, stop trying to promote a shitty generic game in our nostaliga everQUEST community, take your pokemon shit and get the fuck out kiddo

[MethodSZ]

http://i.imgur.com/qYcUC.png

We both have one thing in common - immediate regret upon purchasing tribes ascension beta access.

Unless you didnt purchase, in which cause I'm the only moron here.

[oldfish]

thats bullshit, i dont loose nearly as much, that looks like a PVE death to me.

I got the last shot on that one, maybe thats the problem lol... lemme get one with another player that gets the last hit.

[Darwoth]

Ok heres some screenshots:

Step 1, Character before dying to pvp:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/xp12.jpg/

Step 2, "nonexistant" xp loss

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/xp22.jpg/

Thats 2.2 blues from a single pvp death at 24.

Hmm wtf cant link images?


your screenshot does not show anything that happened. you could have died to a mob or died on the other side of a zone to dots etc. i died once in pvp thus far to wand spam in my 20s and only lost a tenth of a blue, everyone else i have spoken to thus far has reported the same thing.

[oldfish]

your screenshot does not show anything that happened. you could have died to a mob or died on the other side of a zone to dots etc. i died once in pvp thus far to wand spam in my 20s and only lost a tenth of a blue, everyone else i have spoken to thus far has reported the same thing.

Right but who cares, i know im not lying, so anyone that is 24 can repeat the same process and come up with the exact same results. As ive said though i got the last hit on that kill so that might register as a PVE death. Im trying to find someone to kill me atm...

[oldfish]

Ok fuck the screenshot but trust me on this, its 3 notches at 24.

So about 2 dark blue kills solo.

So if you do a pvp session of 4 hours and die say, 10 times. Thats 20 dark blues you need to solo just to get back where you were on the pve grind. Thats ALOT to me.

Before you say 10 times noob, thats alot of deaths dont die youre bad blablab... its only 2 deaths per hour, and 2 out of 4 hours where you died 3 times.

Thats really not alot of dying compared to the death fest that was Rallos, and you can be expected to die alot more than that if you do nothing but pvp for 4 hours straight.

[Darwoth]

3 notches is a lot different than 2.5 bubbles, and 3 notches really isn't shit

[Darwoth]

i died maybe 5 times in several years on rallos, and less than that on sullon. everquest is not counterstrike, not supposed to throw your corpse into the crowd and rush back to do it again.

edit: also 3 notches is less than a single blue solo kill for anyone that isnt something like a troll shadowknight, dark blue solo kill generally yields a half a blue or more until 30+

[oldfish]

3 notches is a lot different than 2.5 bubbles, and 3 notches really isn't shit

I already said i was wrong. I get about 1.5 notches as a 24 troll Shaman on dark blue mobs.

Losing a full yellow at 24 for 5 pvp deaths is just plain ridiculous to me, im playing EQ pvp to pvp, not to run from it because its "SO HARDC0RZ" that i need a zerg crew to want to do it because the PVE grind sting is fantabulous.

Maybe you are right and i am wrong, and im complaining for nothing, i dont understand the niche etc...

But i really think this is killing my fun, which i thought was going to be doing long pvp sessions. For if this is true for what percentage of the server, i guess well know when we take a look at the pop in 2 months from now.

Im already bored, cant guerilla pvp on my way up to 50 because of the xp loss and dont see the point in grinding hard to 50 just to have fun with alt twinks when people run and plug from pvp.

[Seeatee]

this is as good of a place as any to ask this question as it sort of pertains to tis discussion...

does anyone group on this server outside of guilds?

every time I have /ooc or /shout it has went almost completely unanswered, it seems like everyone just solos for fear of getting killed, is everyone just going to solo up to 50 and join a raid guild? what is the deal here?

[Diggles]

We both have one thing in common - immediate regret upon purchasing tribes ascension beta access.

Unless you didnt purchase, in which cause I'm the only moron here.


i bought it, thing runs like absolute shit and i immediately played starsiege after to cleanse myself

[Masq]

i died maybe 5 times in several years on rallos, and less than that on sullon. everquest is not counterstrike, not supposed to throw your corpse into the crowd and rush back to do it again.

edit: also 3 notches is less than a single blue solo kill for anyone that isnt something like a troll shadowknight, dark blue solo kill generally yields a half a blue or more until 30+

cant really do much to combat a zerg of players when they come across you.

[gloinz]

cant really do much to combat a zerg of players when they come across you.

dont put yourself in a position to be zerged theres /who ya know

[Masq]

dont put yourself in a position to be zerged theres /who ya know

track p good