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Nirgon
11-30-2011, 08:54 PM
They should
DoucLangur
12-01-2011, 04:37 AM
Got a source for that?
Kelsar
12-01-2011, 09:02 AM
giants always saw through invis...
Glitch
12-01-2011, 12:01 PM
Got a source for that?
nilbog
12-01-2011, 12:35 PM
I remembered them seeing invis as well. It's easy to change if everyone is in agreement.

This has been discussed on the forums before:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6297
dcapotos
12-01-2011, 01:17 PM
I have never seen this before, nor do I remember them ever seeing invis and I used to hunt them a lot in RM and SRO FWIW.
Nirgon
12-02-2011, 01:19 PM
This isn't meant to be snide or a jerk but I do have faith that maybe some of the devs have legit memories of classic 99 regarding simple things like this.
YendorLootmonkey
12-02-2011, 01:25 PM
No proof = no change, otherwise precedent for changes based on anecdotal evidence is set, IMO
maximum
12-02-2011, 06:45 PM
On Live, I remember as a rogue that Hide/Sneak fooled them. Not sure about caster invisibility, though.
Humerox
12-02-2011, 06:57 PM
Pretty sure they had a chance to see through invis. They didn't always see through it.
Uthgaard
12-02-2011, 07:53 PM
In the eq.castersrealm.com archives, once they added guides to their pages, there's a rogue guide. One of them is RP style from a halfling PoV. It explains giants conning kos while invis/hidden but not really seeing invis. Anyone who cares enough to find it can track down the archive from that information.

Had more to do with a bug in their faction code than them actually seeing invis.
Nirgon
12-05-2011, 03:17 AM
Classic changes not implemented without Allakazam posts:

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/161485d1295187655-animated-gif-thread-tumblr_lbnkgsjrwm1qzegz5o1_r1_400.gif
phobus
12-08-2011, 10:06 AM
Pretty sure they had a chance to see through invis. They didn't always see through it.

Mountain giants in Kunark (at least, in FM and DL) sometimes see through invis here. I honestly don't remember how it worked on live, but if someone has supporting evidence for mountain giants, maybe there's evidence for/against the old-world giants doing it too?
Rygar
03-30-2018, 07:57 AM
In the eq.castersrealm.com archives, once they added guides to their pages, there's a rogue guide. One of them is RP style from a halfling PoV. It explains giants conning kos while invis/hidden but not really seeing invis. Anyone who cares enough to find it can track down the archive from that information.

Had more to do with a bug in their faction code than them actually seeing invis.

Wanted to necro bump this just to show that guide Uthgaard is referencing, found it here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010417065916/http://eq.castersrealm.com:80/playguides/VIEW.ASP?ID=2383

When you are hidden, CON EVERYTHING. Some things can see through it. If it's indifferent you are ok, if it's anything but indifferent, use discretion. Some Mobs that are scowling at you while hidden, can't actually see you, but because they will KOS anything the message is not indifferent. Hill giants and Sand Giants are one example.

I made another thread here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288904) regarding dev comments on why / how this is possible, was a flag on mobs setting them to 'AggroPC', which indeed caused them to con scowling while invis, but not attack. I explain it a bit better in the thread.