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Shiftin
11-25-2011, 03:35 PM
After killing 351 assorted mobs in mistmoore and not getting out of KOS with ring of scale...


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[Mon Nov 21 22:36:22 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.


We decided to test the kazon stormhammer method. Based on the comments here: http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1781

It should take 7 kings to go from base faction with RoS to max friendly.
I've been with a group who's done king a bit. From a base RoS faction, I was able to max out from 7 kills.
Yes he gives RoS faction. I'm a 53 monk I have a 51 shammy partner we can take him no prob. Just gotta move the guards out of the way but if you stand in the door they come single. I haven't confirmed it but 12 kills = ally RoS.

We killed him 11 times, after getting the 351 +ROS faction hits from mistmoore, and were still KoS to ring of scale.

[Tue Nov 22 21:50:23 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 21:59:31 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 22:08:22 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 22:17:36 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 22:27:14 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 22:35:56 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 22:57:46 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 23:06:30 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 23:14:53 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 23:23:29 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Nov 22 23:31:57 2011] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.


You can use those to find the encounter logs to prove the kills if needed.

Based on stuff on alla and elsewhere, the king should give roughly +200 points of faction. The comments that say it only take 12-15 kills to go from kos to friendly or ally are from 2002, after the scope of this server, so for the purposes of p99 he should always be giving massive faction hits. His hits were changed when VP was revamped and people were trying to raise faction to do the quests.

Let me know if you need more support.
Uthgaard
11-25-2011, 04:34 PM
I followed everything you said up until the point where you began trying to justify that the hits should be larger on P99. The 7 kills estimate is also from 2002. That's just two different people reporting two uncertain values within mere days from each other, one of whom even specifies the uncertainty. That doesn't indicate a change. You didn't post anything that supports that. In fact, most of the posts before 2002 were speculation over whether or not he could be killed, and if possible, whether RoS was one of his positive hits, to which no one answered until the release of Luclin.

This leads me to the conclusion that not only is there no reason to believe the hits should be larger, but also if you're able to farm him so easily during the Kunark era, that both he and his guards likely need beefed up.
Shiftin
11-25-2011, 05:06 PM
You're misreading what i'm saying. First, it was an extremely commonly known way to raise RoS faction back in kunark / velious. It took around an hour to get back to non KOS for scouting after a VP raid on live, which matches up perfectly with the comments on alla.

I read those two comments as going 15 kills from KOS to ally and 7 kills from indiff or starting faction to max, which line up perfectly with each other and reality. In 2004/5 is when the comments come in about the hits not being as good anymore. In either case, 11 kills after 351 MM faction hits should get someone un-KOS.

And why does he need to be beefed up if a 53 shaman and 51 monk could kill him in 2002? That's just you making shit up without being there to witness the combat. He was doing plenty of damage to the 3 60s who were killing him. He's a level 50 mob on a 6 minute spawn timer doing solid damage. We just had a 60 cleric, shaman and rogue in best in slot gear, of course we were killing him fast.

Here's more evidence from the ROS faction alla page:
http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=103

Kill the King of Kaladim 6 or 7 times, and you will go from KoS to Ally with Ring of Scale. Plus, hes a 5 minute spawn, so it can be done quickly..
from 2002, then a response from 2004 (when the new VP came out) that says that method no longer works.

Whether it's 6, 7 or 15 to go from KOS to ally, 11 kills after previous faction work still leaving us in KOS means the faction hit is clearly too low.
Harkor
11-25-2011, 05:39 PM
"Based on stuff on alla and elsewhere, the king should give roughly +200 points of faction. The comments that say it only take 12-15 kills to go from kos to friendly or ally are from 2002"

^This is clear...king should give 200 points of faction....after 11 faction hits of 200...2200 faction+ 350 or so from MM...that gives 2550 faction.....by multiple sources of faction (http://samanna.net/gen.info/faction.shtml) the max amount of faction it should take to get from max kos to dubious is 2300 faction.

Therefore it is reasonable to believe that by the above numbers the king is giving the post Velious faction hit rather than the classic.
Uthgaard
11-25-2011, 06:36 PM
From "can't get any worse" to "can't get any better" is a span of 4000 points. 2000 above base, 2000 below. You have to be careful when interpreting the words used in posts like that, and the people who posted them may not have been aware of the subtle differences. Some people may post "max kos" while never having had a negative faction hit with a dragon, in which case they could be kos, but not at max negative faction.

The two posts, which are about a month apart, look to me like two separate parts of the same story. Someone who had never killed a dragon killing him 6 or 7 times, would have had to kill him 12 to 13 times if they had started from max negative faction, that is consistent with itself by the way the numbers divide out unevenly.
Shiftin
11-25-2011, 08:48 PM
So then you agree that either way, 11 kills when already above max neg faction should be non kos. Thanks for chiming in.
Uthgaard
11-25-2011, 10:43 PM
Nice try, but no. I explained why those two posts (a month apart, in 2002) don't indicate that there was a change that took place between them. Refer to my first post.
Motec
11-25-2011, 11:02 PM
Is he talking about a change? He is saying the hits are too low.
Shiftin
11-25-2011, 11:55 PM
Well, you being unable to read sure explains a lot from the last year and a half.

I never said a change occurred between the two posts in 2002. The change, as noted on both the Ring of Scale and Kazon ZAM pages, occurs in 2004. Let me drive this point home for you in visual form so you can quit trying to twist my words:

2002 / 2001:
http://vvcap.net/db/wedEKl9MP3F8GLqJLfki.jpg
http://vvcap.net/db/vO1gpBvb19UOzq5vhwBW.jpg
http://vvcap.net/db/vYirmtZeL_RQR0rQaZX4.jpg



2004/2005:
Notice the operative words indicating change. "these days" "nerfed" "no longer works"
http://vvcap.net/db/4OL991nPLVriz29BwOtf.jpg
http://vvcap.net/db/qLKg988eZ86G6JVikjwM.jpg
http://vvcap.net/db/L0IV7JKz6T6aYrMgm550.jpg


Here's a link to graffe's archives which says the same thing:

http://www.graffe.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-20621.html?

Note the change from "before" to "now"
http://vvcap.net/db/T9mWo9J966BSY-NKnYZ4.jpg

here's a post from 2004 FoH on the VP revamp patch notes where someone is talking about how insane the king faction hits were:
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/11976-eq-patch-messages-7-14-04-a.html
http://vvcap.net/db/c-sAHKekK64yyZYkFaUK.jpg

Summary: Whether it's 5 kills or 15 to max your faction, we should be well out of KoS after 11 kills when I proved by starting the thread with my mistmoore slaughter we didn't even start at max KOS in the first place. We aren't. The faction hits are too small. +200 RoS is a reasonable number to set it at as that fits within the range of the evidence available.

Go troll someone else now.
Cyrano
11-26-2011, 12:22 AM
Game, set, match.
Uthgaard
11-26-2011, 01:08 AM
I didn't twist anything you said. I said nothing in your first post provided any evidence that it should be changed, and it doesn't. Lashing out at me isn't going to make your evidence from 2002 and later any stronger.

You can insult my reading skills all you like, and pasting a bunch of screenshots from various websites in 2005 might make you feel like you've solidified your position, but you went in the wrong direction on the dates, and still haven't posted anything to support the change. There's a reason that you're not finding much to support you with a relevant timestamp, and I touched on that in my original post.

This leads me to the conclusion that not only is there no reason to believe the hits should be larger, but also if you're able to farm him so easily during the Kunark era, that both he and his guards likely need beefed up.

You have my sincerest apologies if logic is getting in the way of your fast tracking some idle track bots to box at dragon spawn points.
Shiftin
11-26-2011, 01:18 AM
head explode.

how oes multiple sources claiming it was a huge faction hit not constitute evidence? because they're from 2001 and 2002 and not 2000?
Uthgaard
11-26-2011, 01:30 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20010811194658/http://www.everlore.com/bestiary/default.asp?mode=14&land=1118

It may or may not have. My point is that you have no documentation for a reason. Things that were killed have documentation, bragging about it, posts about the drops and faction hits, all you see about Kazon are questions about whether or not he has a faction hit, and lacks of entries like above.

He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet.
Cyrano
11-26-2011, 01:52 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20010811194658/http://www.everlore.com/bestiary/default.asp?mode=14&land=1118

It may or may not have. My point is that you have no documentation for a reason. Things that were killed have documentation, bragging about it, posts about the drops and faction hits, all you see about Kazon are questions about whether or not he has a faction hit, and lacks of entries like above.

He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet.

Where have you shown any evidence that he shouldn't be farmable yet? He gave you a post from 2002 with 3 people in the low 50's trioing him. What makes you think 3 60's with the gear we have aren't just as capable?

How is our evidence of people going from neutral to full ally in 7 kills when level 60 was still the cap with no documented changes to his faction, level, or "killability" or whatever you want to call it invalid but your gut feeling isn't?

When you show me that changes prior to the VP revamp are made then I'll shut up but for now you're using a lack of evidence from one webpage to invalidate evidence from all of the others shown in this thread. That makes no sense. The fact that we have no patch notes or thread commentaries documenting a change prior to the revamp tells me that there never was a change as you seem to insinuate. He should have significantly higher faction rating, 200 based on the evidence, and is at an appropriate difficulty.
Cyrano
11-26-2011, 02:11 AM
Actually going back and rereading this entire thing I think you must have misread the original post Uth. What Shiftin is saying is that the faction hit on P99 is too low and is most likely in line with the lower faction hits document after the VP revamp. The posts prior to the revamp (primarily those from 2002) indicate the King gives around +200 RoS faction points per kill before the change was made in 2004 or so.

Since we have no documentation showing a change to his faction prior to this, the only course to follow is that from the inception of EQ through Velious his +RoS faction was always the same. Thus it can be inferred that our P99 version of the King is incorrect and is actually the post-revamp version.

I'm not trying to be rude but you come in here telling us we're wrong when there is ample evidence in front of you to support the change we suggest. You say that there is a lack of documentation for a reason but honestly we're talking about a mob with no group or raid loot whose faction hit only truly affected less than 1% of the players of EQ back in 2000. You know how the raid culture was back then, raid guilds didn't make posts with info that could help them get ahead because people were competing to be #1 with worldwide firsts.
Heebee
11-26-2011, 02:58 AM
I went with a small group at level 60 during kunark (pre-velious) on live and killed Kazon (after having killed sev, gore, talendor and faydedar numerous times we were max kos). Within a couple of hours we were all warmly to RoS. I'm sorry that I didn't post about it on alla at the time, but regardless, that's simply how it worked.
Uthgaard
11-26-2011, 04:35 AM
Not one webpage, any webpage, including all the ones you cited. And I didn't say anyone was wrong for certain. For someone accusing another of not reading, you aren't doing such a great job of it yourself. I said:


It may or may not have.
The evidence was lacking.
The evidence was lacking for a reason.


If no one posted anything about killing him, including that he was killed at all, because he was a giant secret, then he is the only raid content that was secret enough not to post about. Because if that were the case, there wouldn't be anywhere near the level of documentation on raid level encounters and everything even remotely associated that there is. But we both know that simply isn't true.

Anything that was raided (alongside tradeskills) is the most heavily documented content in the game, in any era, regardless of the amount of competition for it.
Heebee
11-26-2011, 04:57 AM
then he is the only raid content that was secret enough not to post about

He was never "raid content". He was able to be killed by less than a full group at level 60 during Kunark. He had no notable drops. I'm not sure how this would constitute "raid content"?
LevinJ
11-26-2011, 09:37 AM
It's nice to see that Uth has been reduced to nothing more than a forum troll whenever certain guilds post trying to benefit the server.
Rusl
11-26-2011, 12:39 PM
Can we get an actual dev's response to this please, do we need to provide more evidence or are Shiftin's links sufficient
Cyrano
11-26-2011, 12:43 PM
This leads me to the conclusion that not only is there no reason to believe the hits should be larger, but also if you're able to farm him so easily during the Kunark era, that both he and his guards likely need beefed up.

He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet.

Dude read your own freaking posts. You went from saying that he probably should be "beefed up" to flat out saying "He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet" within a matter of hours w/o any documentation suggesting this change whatsoever.

Go troll someone else.
Hasbinbad
11-26-2011, 01:18 PM
I've really tried to like you Uth, in spite of what my guildmates have told me about what a jerk you are.. That has never been my personal experience, so I always tried to interact with you in a friendly manner.

That being said, this seems to be true:
It's nice to see that Uth has been reduced to nothing more than a forum troll whenever certain guilds post trying to benefit the server.
:(
Uthgaard
11-26-2011, 02:26 PM
He was never "raid content". He was able to be killed by less than a full group at level 60 during Kunark. He had no notable drops. I'm not sure how this would constitute "raid content"?

I was hoping you'd point that out. Ask Cyrano below. It was his notion that he was a raid secret, not mine. And where did anything (other than you, but you said velious, get your own made up story right) say that he was killed in Kunark at all, let alone with such a small force?

You say that there is a lack of documentation for a reason but honestly we're talking about a mob with no group or raid loot whose faction hit only truly affected less than 1% of the players of EQ back in 2000. You know how the raid culture was back then, raid guilds didn't make posts with info that could help them get ahead because people were competing to be #1 with worldwide firsts.


Dude read your own freaking posts. You went from saying that he probably should be "beefed up" to flat out saying "He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet" within a matter of hours w/o any documentation suggesting this change whatsoever.

Go troll someone else.

I'm not sure what was difficult about that for you, but those are two sentences that say the exact same thing.

You can drag all of your guildmates to the forum to make personal attacks against me all you like. You're not going to hurt my feelings. Your evidence is all from 2002 and later, not 2001 and 2002 as you try to sneak that year in by association.

The posts prior to the revamp (primarily those from 2002) indicate the King gives around +200 RoS faction points per kill before the change was made in 2004 or so.


Not only is your faction data from Dranik's Scar, by this you've shown that you're only arguing for a change to benefit you regardless of what the actual data truly says. If you got a 200 point faction hit, you would not get the result you're asking for. Go ahead and open calc.exe, 4000/200. I'll give you a hint. It's the same as 40/2.

Kazon didn't have any relevance to Ring of Scale until a faction hit was discovered and most likely introduced in 2002. Ring of Scale was introduced with Kunark and retroactively introduced to some classic mobs. Kazon didn't start with that faction hit at launch, so it clearly was added at some point. However, you have nothing to support that his hit even exists before 2002. You can skip forward through the dates and see all of the mobs that gave a Ring of Scale faction hit. Guess who is missing.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010824123330/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=103
Tiggles
11-26-2011, 02:27 PM
Posting in a bug thread.

Kazon should be harder
Rusl
11-26-2011, 02:51 PM
http://i.imgur.com/982Nx.jpg

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.html?id=1781
Uthgaard
11-26-2011, 02:54 PM
Yes, you've already posted that. So far your counter to my evidence has been repeatedly posting your initial evidence from long after velious and talking about how much you don't like the big mean Uthgaard. Anything else?

Not that he's shown himself to have the reading comprehension skills god gave a gopher, but I believe Cyrano said it already. What was it. Game, set, match?
Rusl
11-26-2011, 03:00 PM
Can we stop with the flames already this is the bug section RnF is ---> that way.

Now can Kanras, Nilbog, someone who is still an actual dev for the server still comment on this please.
Shiftin
11-26-2011, 03:02 PM
http://vvcap.net/db/vYirmtZeL_RQR0rQaZX4.jpg


Read the date.
Uthgaard
11-26-2011, 03:40 PM
I'm aware of the date. Luclin was released 10 days later. The server is still in Kunark. Looking at the evidence from Kunark, he isn't on the list of ring of scale faction hits until 2002, and there is no evidence that he had a faction hit at all prior to that, and you have the proof in absentia in plain text on the Ring of Scale list that I provided by moving forward through the updates.

Ring of Scale appeared on Lady Vox and Mistmoore npcs slightly before the release of Kunark. Slightly before the release of Luclin, you have a sudden influx of posts about his faction hit. If it isn't documented, it didn't happen. Everything, no matter how minor, is documented somewhere on some site. So far, going through all of your own resources, and by my own contribution of the rest of the resources that exist, there is no evidence to support you.
Rais
11-26-2011, 04:12 PM
He was hardly if ever killed in kunark. After we cleared VP for the first time(server wide) we decided to go on a rampage of all the city leaders. Took about 15 people or so, and it was rough killing them. A monk and shaman shouldn't be able to kill him now. We NEVER farmed him for faction during the entire time of Kunark.

As for the hits, you guys are posting info from 2001+. It's getting out of hand people taking posts from people during 2001+ time period and trying to apply it to Classic Kunark.
Harkor
11-26-2011, 04:18 PM
He was hardly if ever killed in kunark. After we cleared VP for the first time(server wide) we decided to go on a rampage of all the city leaders. Took about 15 people or so, and it was rough killing them. A monk and shaman shouldn't be able to kill him now. We NEVER farmed him for faction during the entire time of Kunark.

As for the hits, you guys are posting info from 2001+. It's getting out of hand people taking posts from people during 2001+ time period and trying to apply it to Classic Kunark.

Nor should we be able to 1 shot all the VP dragons with 33....but we can. You never farming the king for faction has little relevance to whether or not others did. The problem we have is the fact no one shared information back then so other guilds would not get the upper hand....so if noobs werent posting it on Zam it didnt get posted.
Shiftin
11-26-2011, 04:46 PM
Nor should we be able to 1 shot all the VP dragons with 33....but we can. You never farming the king for faction has little relevance to whether or not others did. The problem we have is the fact no one shared information back then so other guilds would not get the upper hand....so if noobs werent posting it on Zam it didnt get posted.

This is a key point. Proof "in absentia" of something not existing is not proof of anything other than people not posting it in a place you can find it now 11 years later.

There are two scenarios here:
Scenario 1:
The faction hits were always this way, they just weren't used or well known until 2001 when VP was being regularly farmed on all servers. There's no real reason to kill city leaders other than for fun as they dropped nothing and tend to screw your faction for no real reason, so him having huge faction hits that were unknown to most people, especially the type of person who freely shared information on sites like everlore is perfectly reasonable.

Supporting this is that you have 2 people in this thread alone who used Kazon to fix VP faction in late kunark / early velious era, as well as plenty of evidence that by luclin, this is clearly how it worked.

Scenario 2:
Kazon was significantly harder and gave no faction hits until just before luclin. Everyone here saying we farmed him for faction is lying. He was changed to give large faction hits despite no quests being introduced that involved him or required RoS faction. He was made EASIER to kill despite still having no drops or reason to kill him. Your evidence for this change you aren't arguing actually happened, you just think theoretically happened, is that there isn't detailed information about a mob no one had a reason to kill on sites which are missing massive amounts of information about tons of things in the world anyway.


Also, go ahead and do 4000/200. It's 20. Do 11x200+350. It's 2550. 2550 above max scowls is not still KOS. You clearly know that already. I have no idea what you're trying to prove there.
Heebee
11-26-2011, 05:45 PM
And where did anything (other than you, but you said velious, get your own made up story right) say that he was killed in Kunark at all, let alone with such a small force?

I went with a small group at level 60 during kunark (pre-velious) on live and killed Kazon

pre-
 
a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin, where it meant “before” (preclude; prevent); applied freely as a prefix, with the meanings “prior to,” “in advance of,” “early,” “beforehand,” “before,” “in front of,” and with other figurative meanings (preschool; prewar; prepay; preoral; prefrontal).

You can insult my reading skills all you like

Pardon? My post said "during kunark (pre-velious)". Get your own made up troll attempt right.
Cyrano
11-26-2011, 06:24 PM
I was hoping you'd point that out. Ask Cyrano below. It was his notion that he was a raid secret, not mine. And where did anything (other than you, but you said velious, get your own made up story right) say that he was killed in Kunark at all, let alone with such a small force?






I'm not sure what was difficult about that for you, but those are two sentences that say the exact same thing.

You can drag all of your guildmates to the forum to make personal attacks against me all you like. You're not going to hurt my feelings. Your evidence is all from 2002 and later, not 2001 and 2002 as you try to sneak that year in by association.




Not only is your faction data from Dranik's Scar, by this you've shown that you're only arguing for a change to benefit you regardless of what the actual data truly says. If you got a 200 point faction hit, you would not get the result you're asking for. Go ahead and open calc.exe, 4000/200. I'll give you a hint. It's the same as 40/2.

Kazon didn't have any relevance to Ring of Scale until a faction hit was discovered and most likely introduced in 2002. Ring of Scale was introduced with Kunark and retroactively introduced to some classic mobs. Kazon didn't start with that faction hit at launch, so it clearly was added at some point. However, you have nothing to support that his hit even exists before 2002. You can skip forward through the dates and see all of the mobs that gave a Ring of Scale faction hit. Guess who is missing.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010824123330/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=103

Dude seriously just go away. I never said he was raid content, based on what you took from what I said then any item, camp, or faction that potentially gives an advantage while raiding = raid content.

Where do you have proof that Kazon didn't start with a faction hit at launch? We've posted comments from Zam showing discussion that he gave a ~200 point faction hit prior to 2002 and yet you say it's from the wrong era (whatever the fuck Draknik's Scar is) when it was made during Velious. It doesn't matter if it was 10 days or 2000 years before the release of Luclin the fact is it was made BEFORE Luclin.

We post documentation which leads to a credible assumption to be made about what amount of faction he should currently give and you "refute" it with nothing but opinion and slander.

With you saying "I hope you would say that" it's like you're playing some crazy cloak and dagger game trying to bait us into saying the wrong thing. That implies you don't care about the truth so long as we're shown as being wrong. If that's the case then go away.
Cyrano
11-26-2011, 06:33 PM
BTW from your link here is info on the King of Ak'Anon difficulty.

I watched him die By: Ilvatarer
Posted @ Tue, May 9th 11:38 AM 2000 Score: Decent[3.25]
I saw three lvl51 necros, a lvl49 troll sk and two barbarians kill him last night, they cleared out his palace and slaughtered him. They made him seem very easy to kill, he didn't drop much through and when they killed him he was partialy stuck in the wall so not sure what form he was in.. I think human through.

If info posted from the timeline you deem credible about another city leader matches our information about Kazon then I choose to believe our information is accurate.

Also note the date, this is after Kunark released thus the level cap seems accurate. Just so you don't try to say I'm excluding information:

not level 50 By: Gaeelae,
12 posts
Posted @ Wed, May 30th 9:45 AM 2001 Score: Decent[3.00]
he's red to level 57. not level 50.

This is well after the release of Velious. As such, there was clearly a level change somewhere during Kunark and Velious. This leads me to believe that it was changed because farming faction was too easy or, more likely, they scaled them because having individual players be stronger than city leaders makes no sense from a role playing standpoint.

Just because there isn't info on Kazon from that webpage doesn't mean it was non-existent. The reason we thought he would give this faction is based on first hand information from people in our guild, like Heebee, saying they used him for faction during Kunark. Like I said, information that gave guilds a raid competitive advantage was often protected and not posted in the open. DO NOT CONSTRUE THIS AS ME SAYING HE'S A RAID MOB, all I am saying is that his faction modifier gave a competitive advantage.
Cyrano
11-26-2011, 06:48 PM
Here's another interesting post from Alla:

Collection of Lords
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# Mar 20 2005 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here are the rulers of every town that have rulers (this does not include fighting areas such as BlackBurrow, and does not include Yekisha+)
King Kazon Stormhammer � 50 war - Kaladim
Sir Lucan D�Lere � 48 war � Freeport
Qeynos � Antonius Bale (missing)
Kane Bayle/ Commander Kane � War 61 � Qeynos Catacombs/ North
Mayor Gubbin � 50 war � Rivervale
Mammoth � 20 to 25 war � Surefall Glade
Overlord Virate Manaar � 50 SK � Paineel
King Ak�Anon � 60 War � Ak�Anon
Dain Frostreaver IV � 70 War � Icewell Keep
King Tormax � 70 War � Kael Drakkel
Lord Yelinak � 70 Hybrid � Skyshrine
Lcea Katta � 60 Hybrid � Katta Castellum
Lord Inquisitor Seru � 66 War � Sanctus Seru
King Raja Kerrath � 65 War � Shar Vahl


In 2005 he was still 50 so I no longer think he was made harder but simply that his faction was lowered near the time of the VP revamp.
Motec
11-26-2011, 10:32 PM
The best part of this is Uthtard just sees TR, and sees red. I hope he got his TMO char banned.

I for one am a forgiving son of a bitch though who does not hold much of a grudge, so would be happy to see some of my donation money put towards him seeing a therapist.
booter
11-26-2011, 11:01 PM
WTB a real dev's response to this. And also guineapig to clean up/ban Uth for flaming~
Flunklesnarkin
11-26-2011, 11:12 PM
So to sum up.. last 3 pages people have been arguing semantics..

but either way.. dude shouldn't still be KoS after all the kills..

so bug... yes
Motec
11-26-2011, 11:20 PM
The problem:
Killing king does not give enough faction mods.

The solution:
Increase faction modifier a LOT.

Uthgaard:
Mob is too easy, mob is too hard, mob faction changed 3 years later to less, I cant read, I have trouble comprehending legible posts with plenty of evidence to go with anecdotal evidence.

Christ man.....
Amirite
11-27-2011, 01:06 AM
what uth is saying is you need proof of his faction hit from vp opening to pre velious.

you guys are just rambling on now, prob all in vp and want it easy.

proof or it didn't happen.
Flunklesnarkin
11-27-2011, 01:51 AM
what uth is saying is you need proof of his faction hit from vp opening to pre velious.

you guys are just rambling on now, prob all in vp and want it easy.

proof or it didn't happen.

we understand what he is saying.. what everybody else is saying.. not every single aspect of eq has been documented fully so anecdotal evidence is acceptable.

Also killing him that much should take you out of KoS thats important there.. figure out a good faction hit.. but he shouldn't be KoS still

so bug.. yes
Amirite
11-27-2011, 11:16 AM
we understand what he is saying.. what everybody else is saying.. not every single aspect of eq has been documented fully so anecdotal evidence is acceptable.

Also killing him that much should take you out of KoS thats important there.. figure out a good faction hit.. but he shouldn't be KoS still

so bug.. yes

you obviously don't understand, becouse for it to be changed you need PROOF that it is how it was during this age of the server. making up stories assuming is what uth is trying to get you guys to understand, DOES NOT HOLD UP FOR SHIT.

Hell, the level 1 decaying skeleton drops Cloak of flames guys, i can totally assume it happened becouse i got one


and Motec, u sound mad bro
Castle
11-27-2011, 11:38 AM
Look my blue broz...

If Uthgaard won't heed my AIRTIGHT case with mounds of evidence on ALL Shaman DoTs stacking in classic found here [with pages and pages of new evidence he has yet to respond to]
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54537

Then you have no hope to overthrow the oppressive dictatorship on content.. naw'mean? But over on red you can take that frustration out on n00bz, y0... fuhreal.. comegitsome!
Flunklesnarkin
11-27-2011, 02:00 PM
you obviously don't understand, becouse for it to be changed you need PROOF that it is how it was during this age of the server. making up stories assuming is what uth is trying to get you guys to understand, DOES NOT HOLD UP FOR SHIT.

Hell, the level 1 decaying skeleton drops Cloak of flames guys, i can totally assume it happened becouse i got one


and Motec, u sound mad bro

troll elsewhere

I'm just saying what i said before.. not everything has had thousands of hours of parsing and documentation in eq.

What evidence would king uthgard like?

Either way this isn't 100% classic eq just classicish

so figure out what a good faction hit is what this thread should be about...

atm its a retarded conversation... it shouldn't take 3000 kills get out of KoS.. at least imo
Amirite
11-27-2011, 02:17 PM
troll elsewhere

I'm just saying what i said before.. not everything has had thousands of hours of parsing and documentation in eq.

What evidence would king uthgard like?

Either way this isn't 100% classic eq just classicish

so figure out what a good faction hit is what this thread should be about...

atm its a retarded conversation... it shouldn't take 3000 kills get out of KoS.. at least imo


for it to be changed you need PROOF that it is how it was during this age of the server.


if you think the faction is off, then bug report that and show proof that the faction per kill should be raised.
Flunklesnarkin
11-27-2011, 02:32 PM
if you think the faction is off, then bug report that and show proof that the faction per kill should be raised.

not sure how much i can say this.. but the entire thread boils down to what peoples interpretation of "evidence" is.

I'm ok with anecdotal evidence myself... im not looking for a super crazy nazi rendition of eq in 1999

just something classic style...

ultimately not everything got a full documentation and write up way back when... hell eq seems under documented if you ask me but thats kind of nice also.

All im saying is lets figure out what an appropriate faction hit should be instead of just mindlessly arguing.... so internet forum.. tell us what the exact perfect faction hit should be
Mouse
11-27-2011, 05:19 PM
If Uthgaard is ever involved with a petition or any dispute you might as well just give up and save your breath. Dealing with that dude is like smashing your face against a brick wall.
seyret35
11-27-2011, 06:02 PM
this is important!
Lazortag
11-27-2011, 08:00 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20011222203403/http://eq.castersrealm.com/data/Factions.asp?Action=Description&From=Factions&Id=137

Where's Kazon Stormhammer on this list?

edit: also, Nalkin's Bard is Apprehensive to RoS. We could maybe lend him to you for a few Trak BP's.
Heebee
11-27-2011, 08:04 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20011222203403/http://eq.castersrealm.com/data/Factions.asp?Action=Description&From=Factions&Id=137

Where's Kazon Stormhammer on this list?

The absence of Kazon Stormhammer from this list only shows that this list is inaccurate/incomplete.
Lazortag
11-27-2011, 08:08 PM
Yeah sorry, I just realized it was from December 2001 and you guys have evidence from November showing that he gave massive RoS faction hits. My offer of Nalkin's bard is still on the table though.
Uthgaard
11-27-2011, 08:23 PM
If Uthgaard is ever involved with a petition or any dispute you might as well just give up and save your breath. Dealing with that dude is like smashing your face against a brick wall.

Being right all the time isn't that hard. The part most people fail is keeping your mouth shut when you're wrong.

The absence of Kazon Stormhammer from this list only shows that this list is inaccurate/incomplete.

Documentation of killing him or a faction hit is missing from everything until 10 days before luclin. Not just one site, or one list. All of the devs on P99 have dealt with a lot of research on eq, a large portion of it is inconclusive to some degree. But, no matter what the question was, everything that ever happened in eq is documented to some extent somewhere, without exception.
Uthgaard
11-28-2011, 01:19 PM
How you feel about me is not only less relevant to the topic than Heebee's retroactively edited post on which era that he supposedly killed Kazon in, all you're doing is emphasizing that the best argument you can come up with to support you is how much you wish you could lash out at Uthgaard, because all of the evidence that has been collectively posted here defies what you want.

Evidence > your tear-stained cheeks.
guineapig
11-28-2011, 01:49 PM
Argue with each other via private message or R&F if you have to.
The bug forum is not the place for this.
Glitch
11-28-2011, 03:48 PM
Well, I think arguing about obscure game mechanics can be productive if it works towards a final decision. Keep trying to prove eachother wrong with more evidence imo.
guineapig
11-28-2011, 04:17 PM
Absolutely post comments that include evidence!

The posts I deleted had nothing to do with the bug, just people flaming each other.
Cyrano
11-29-2011, 02:18 AM
How you feel about me is not only less relevant to the topic than Heebee's retroactively edited post on which era that he supposedly killed Kazon in, all you're doing is emphasizing that the best argument you can come up with to support you is how much you wish you could lash out at Uthgaard, because all of the evidence that has been collectively posted here defies what you want.

Evidence > your tear-stained cheeks.

Hey no one posted evidence from any webpages showing that you gave rogue epic items to a player that aren't in game yet but we all know it's true. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I think the links and screenshots we've posted make for a very simple and linear conclusion; Kazon is currently in the VP revamp form and should have his faction modifiers increased accordingly. No one has posted any information refuting this nor have they posted any information showing that he for sure had a 0 or small (~25) RoS modifier during Kunark.

Like I've said a bunch of times Uth this isn't about you so go away.
Shiftin
11-29-2011, 02:37 AM
Yes, you've already posted that. So far your counter to my evidence has been repeatedly posting your initial evidence from long after velious and talking about how much you don't like the big mean Uthgaard. Anything else?

Not that he's shown himself to have the reading comprehension skills god gave a gopher, but I believe Cyrano said it already. What was it. Game, set, match?

Being right all the time isn't that hard. The part most people fail is keeping your mouth shut when you're wrong.


How you feel about me is not only less relevant to the topic than Heebee's retroactively edited post on which era that he supposedly killed Kazon in, all you're doing is emphasizing that the best argument you can come up with to support you is how much you wish you could lash out at Uthgaard, because all of the evidence that has been collectively posted here defies what you want.

Evidence > your tear-stained cheeks.


Hey, you missed a few things when you were cleaning up, like, everything Uthgaard posted where he attacks us and pretends the exact same things the server was built on don't count as evidence anymore.

This is the same guy who has trolled my bug reports from 3 day trak to backstab parses, claiming my evidence isn't real when changes get made on FAR less than I provide when I put in a bug report.

Let's quit pretending he's doing anything even remotely related to providing evidence here. He provided links to places where there isn't evidence for or against the bug report as if, like Cyrano said, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. That's not how real life works. There are 3 of us who have first hand experience during this server's timeline doing faction this way and multiple outside sources corroborating that at least by the time velious was around, this method existed.

I already explained the difference between the logic of what Uthgaard posted (the possibility that it was added during velious despite not having ANY documentation to support that) and the bug report to show how far fetched it is, right here:

This is a key point. Proof "in absentia" of something not existing is not proof of anything other than people not posting it in a place you can find it now 11 years later.

There are two scenarios here:
Scenario 1:
The faction hits were always this way, they just weren't used or well known until 2001 when VP was being regularly farmed on all servers. There's no real reason to kill city leaders other than for fun as they dropped nothing and tend to screw your faction for no real reason, so him having huge faction hits that were unknown to most people, especially the type of person who freely shared information on sites like everlore is perfectly reasonable.

Supporting this is that you have 2 people in this thread alone who used Kazon to fix VP faction in late kunark / early velious era, as well as plenty of evidence that by luclin, this is clearly how it worked.

Scenario 2:
Kazon was significantly harder and gave no faction hits until just before luclin. Everyone here saying we farmed him for faction is lying. He was changed to give large faction hits despite no quests being introduced that involved him or required RoS faction. He was made EASIER to kill despite still having no drops or reason to kill him. Your evidence for this change you aren't arguing actually happened, you just think theoretically happened, is that there isn't detailed information about a mob no one had a reason to kill on sites which are missing massive amounts of information about tons of things in the world anyway.


If you're going to edit out replies to him, edit out his bullshit too, because he's straight trolling.
LevinJ
11-29-2011, 08:23 AM
Guineapig, if you are removing all posts that include flaming and troll baiting then why didn't you remove Uthgaard's posts - particularly the ones that contained nothing but personal attacks?
Amirite
11-29-2011, 11:05 AM
you guys are trying too hard.
Shiftin
11-30-2011, 01:00 AM
now 472 MM kills + 26 Kazons and still threatening. Kazon is clearly giving 1 point of faction like a normal mob. Even at the post revamp +25 we'd be way out of KOS.
Cyrano
11-30-2011, 02:28 AM
I'm sorry Shiftin, can you corroborate those numbers with a post from 2000? Otherwise I think he should give zero.

BTW Hook 'Em
Motec
11-30-2011, 02:44 AM
Lol @ how f*cked faction will be in velious. Ally all 3 factions no problemo at all when yelinak and tormax only give 1 hit.
Shiftin
12-04-2011, 11:12 PM
I think there may be bigger problems than the dwarf. I con differently to VP trash than I do to skyfire wurms, and they should both be on RingofScale faction. On dravingar I con threateningly outside and scowls inside, even after around 500 individual faction hits between mistmoore, Kazon and Vhalen (the bard in SK which should give +10 ROS).
Rusl
12-05-2011, 12:20 AM
I believe that is working as intended. Only the named dragons in VP are on ring of scale faction and the trash mobs are always KoS.
http://i.imgur.com/iyFaU.jpg

With regards to the dwarf king giving more faction, we have posts showing he was known to give larger faction hits and was used to gain RoS faction rather easily, we have first hand accounts of people doing this back on live. What else can we give you to show this should be?
Awwalike
12-05-2011, 12:43 AM
bro, quoting random peoples posts on alla for truth is like using wikipedia to complete a research paper.
Uthgaard
12-05-2011, 06:24 AM
we have posts showing he was known to give larger faction hits and was used to gain RoS faction rather easily

...in Luclin.

we have first hand accounts of people doing this back on live.

From someone who couldn't keep his own story straight and retroactively edited the expansion when called on it.

Tell it like it is; don't give a slanted recap to try to lend imaginary credibility to an argument with no supporting evidence.
Heebee
12-05-2011, 06:52 AM
From someone who couldn't keep his own story straight and retroactively edited the expansion when called on it.

Wrong.

First off, I didn't alter the expansion when I edited my post, I simply made a grammatical change a couple of hours after I posted.

And second, you might want to check the timestamps to see exactly when I edited my post.

Oh wait, here - I'll do it for you:

Here is my post:
http://i.imgur.com/c7QdL.jpg

Here is where you believe I was "called on it":
http://i.imgur.com/jOPKK.jpg

This is a pretty piss poor attempt to discredit me, by claiming that I retroactively edited my post in response to you "calling me" on a mistake, when your post was actually made the following day.

Troll better please.
Heebee
12-05-2011, 06:59 AM
The part most people fail is keeping your mouth shut when you're wrong.

You could probably learn something from this yourself.
Motec
12-05-2011, 07:21 AM
Uthgaard you need some help. In my non professional opinion; Just give it a rest you bitter and twisted fellow. We all appreciate your contribution, but no one here will suck your cock bloke.

The technical discussion is stagnant and broken because of your trolling, and general lack of any input Uthgaard, and for what end? What you have achieved here in this very thread is take a shitload of combined knowledge, and discard it. In the future you can not expect people to freely spread their combined experience if you are going to behave the way you do. Why should we want to offload experience and memories for the benefit of all on the server, when those like yourselves who never played everquest (it seems more and more likely a scenario in my eyes) are so inclined to disprove it? There is shit brought up every week that you just couldnt make up, EQ WAS that quirky, yet you call trumps on it because you failed to experience the game the way we did?

Either get back to doing something constructive, or leave p1999 behind and get on with life. At the moment you're destroying your own reputation and credibility in the eyes of those who should be most thankful for your work. You may not care about that, and you may not care about us. And if that is the case, why are you here, and why do you insist on posting?

I for one think heebee made you look like a fucking child just now, and that is hilarious because it is exactly how you are acting.

On with the bug. Faction is still fubar. This was a well known strat and used method in ye olde days.
Amirite
12-07-2011, 12:32 AM
this should be moved to RnF

these clowns have no idea.

saying the same thing over and over does not make it true.
if you really want it, you should find some proof.



and besides, isn't vp easy enough for you clowns as it is?
Nizzarr
12-07-2011, 10:55 AM
Whoa guys, get off your high horses. Pretty sure that flaming past and present staff is against the rules here.

As for Kazon, you guys still didnt post pre-luclin links for your claims and until then, nothings gonna happen.
Shiftin
12-07-2011, 12:32 PM
One source is posted actually before the launch of luclin, and several sources of data cite being able to do it during that period, including first hand accounts of people who play here. There is no reason at all that the launch of Luclin would precipitate a change to an NPC in kaladim completely unassociated with the expansion.

I'm really tired of being trolled in bugs.
Motec
12-07-2011, 01:17 PM
What shiftin said.
Heebee
12-07-2011, 10:46 PM
What shiftin said.
Heebee
12-14-2011, 11:36 PM
bump for some nilbog loving
arsenalpow
01-09-2013, 10:06 AM
Any conclusion on this or is grinding MM still the only viable plan?
heartbrand
01-09-2013, 11:22 AM
For what it's worth, I did the Kazon method during Kunark and the faction hits were huge /shrug
Nirgon
01-10-2013, 01:59 AM
Never touched this fuckin NPC lol