Guards attacking

[LittleSorcerer7]

Anyone else agree that guards need to start assisting immediately?

[Softcore PK]

Would be nice :)

[gnomishfirework]

I just barely made it to guards to find out they don't assist. Was so bitter-sweet.

[Crenshinabon]

this is super super lame that they do not. People will tell me to stop crying, go to blue, whatever. But truth is at lower levels you need guards so that a lvl 5 won't keep ganking you as a level 2.

[Akim]

Running some kids necro pet into surefall guards.. classic

[Clyve]

wow i hope you guys aren't crying about guards not assisting in pvp. seriously? gtfo bluebie scum.

Yeah, far from bluebie scum here, and I still think the guards should act as they did in classic pvp days.

Added a real fun element.

[Slave]

They pretty much need to change this immediately because this dynamic is just so totally unclassic Everquest at the moment that it's impossible to consider anyone that ever really played supporting this ridiculous no-guard environment.

[Tycko]

I look forward to seeing your server population dwindle into low 100's. Thanks in part to mechanics like this. Enjoy your server!

[Jazz]

Guards not assisting is not classic.

[Hangerbaby]

Guards assisting made classic pvp so fun :(

[hotstud]

I agree, this needs to be priority on the fix list.

[Slave]

I agree, this needs to be priority on the fix list.

Priority fucking #1 unquestionably.

[Snukie]

I agree it has nothing to do with beeing blue or not. Sometimes you just want to take a quick brake and you sit beside a guard. It has nothing to do with beeing hardcore. There is no fun in logging out everytime when you need to go to the bathroom.

On the other hand, guards assisting is fun. Nothing like a good mayhem where guards jump in and may even kill a innocent. Guards assist is the lowbie version of PvP in PoH with Innoruk jumping all over the place.

[hotstud]

sounds to me like you're just a confirmed bluebie scum.

Sounds to me like you're an idiot who somehow associates guards with being blue. Guards bodies are so ready and they aren't even being used.

[Karrmer]

definitely needs to be changed imo, pretty stupid as is

[Crenshinabon]

Rogean said he was putting it in before server release. Apparently it did not happen. Out of all the bug fixes etc. this defiantly stands out to be #1 priority. Only people against are the griefers themselves who only kill people repeatedly to be an asshole.

[Giopawa]

I love PvP, but I am ALL for Guards assisting highest faction. That's how it was, has been and should always be.
So stop with this " bluebie " bull ****
You're just upset because people play it to their advantage, much like you do with your group of 6 on that 1 guy.

[MrSparkle001]

Guards do need to assist.

Another one: Should guildmasters and other NPCs in your guild HQ also help? It's really lame to be talking to your guildmaster only to have someone come up and kill you. It may have been that way on live and I don't remember it though. I don't mean merchants, I mean guildmasters and trainers, your guildmasters and trainers.

I might be remembering other games more than classic EQ, where you couldn't touch someone in their guild HQ or home city.

(and any player in PvP range needs to con white no matter their level!)

[LittleSorcerer7]

sounds to me like you're just a confirmed bluebie scum.

non-classic scum

[JayFiveAlive]

I am hardcore pvp and I just can't bring myself to play with guards not helping. It's retarded. Makes me miss classic days even more lol.

[Zigfreed]

+1 to guards assisting please.

[MrSparkle001]

I'm not safe even at the bank with a guard right there. I got ganked by some people right there and lost my money. Guard didn't do a thing.

Yeah this needs to be fixed. You're not even safe in your own city in front of your own guards.

[Evoken]

Need guards assisting asap. Not enjoying being chased around town while trying to do stuff/bank/sell does not make you a bluebie carebare wow pve server drooler. Nobody except faggots wants to " PVP " against their own race in their main city at level 5 trying to buy spells.


And it's not classic either.

[skorge]

this is with out a doubt, game breaking IMO - wtf did they open the server with this not fixed? As a level 3 ogre shaman I was forced to just log because of people ganking me in my own home town, preventing me from selling my loot, buying armor and spells, etc...home towns should not be pvp central, lol. EPIC fail

[LittleSorcerer7]

this is with out a doubt, game breaking IMO - wtf did they open the server with this not fixed? As a level 3 ogre shaman I was forced to just log because of people ganking me in my own home town, preventing me from selling my loot, buying armor and spells, etc...home towns should not be pvp central, lol. EPIC fail

Agreed

[Evoken]

Agreed fix please meme spam "confirmed"

[Slave]

this is with out a doubt, game breaking IMO - wtf did they open the server with this not fixed? As a level 3 ogre shaman I was forced to just log because of people ganking me in my own home town, preventing me from selling my loot, buying armor and spells, etc...home towns should not be pvp central, lol. EPIC fail

100% agree, this is not classic, this is not fun. It's only being exacerbated by the fact that people are NOT losing factions from killing races in their hometowns.

[Gremel]

yup agree highest faction npc assists... was good fun being a troll with max halfling faction, halfers were always surprised when the guards were like, oh hai gremel, let us help you!

[MrSparkle001]

So basically this server is not yet ready for launch? These are severe issues, not minor bugs that can be dealt with later.

[Bazooka]

If you need guards you are a scrub, 'nuff said.

[Darwoth]

they said they were going to fix it, in the meantime stop crying. if someone quits the server because the guards didnt help protect them from the level 4 newbiemage they werent going to make it past level 15 anyway.

[MrSparkle001]

Who's about to quit?

People are upset that they aren't even safe in the bank, in their home city no less. That's not to mention their own guild masters and trainers don't seem to give a damn when they're attacked right in front of them.

The guild master and trainer thing might be as it was in classic (I don't remember if they reacted or not), but the guards not reacting certainly isn't. You can't bank, you can't train tradeskills, you can't buy spells, you can't do anything that requires you carrying some money right now when there's known PK groups camping your city waiting for those opportunities, waiting for people with cash who don't realize the guards and other NPCs may as well not exist for all the help they give. And they do camp cities waiting to jump people doing these things. I got hit in the bank, right next to a guard. I got hit training at my guild trainer. I got hit at a forge. Now I anticipate it and look out for known offenders, but I didn't before. Why would I? Cities used to be generally safe if you weren't in an out-of-the-way corner somewhere.

[Bazooka]

People are upset that they aren't even safe

PvP Server

[Evoken]

DERP NO SAFETY ANYWHERE EVER HARAHARAJALKDJ I LOVE LVL 5 PVP AT THE BANK DEERUUURRRR

[Authority]

Who's about to quit?

People are upset that they aren't even safe in the bank, in their home city no less. That's not to mention their own guild masters and trainers don't seem to give a damn when they're attacked right in front of them.

The guild master and trainer thing might be as it was in classic (I don't remember if they reacted or not), but the guards not reacting certainly isn't. You can't bank, you can't train tradeskills, you can't buy spells, you can't do anything that requires you carrying some money right now when there's known PK groups camping your city waiting for those opportunities, waiting for people with cash who don't realize the guards and other NPCs may as well not exist for all the help they give. And they do camp cities waiting to jump people doing these things. I got hit in the bank, right next to a guard. I got hit training at my guild trainer. I got hit at a forge. Now I anticipate it and look out for known offenders, but I didn't before. Why would I? Cities used to be generally safe if you weren't in an out-of-the-way corner somewhere.

Come to Neriak bro, I'll hold you plat for you while you fend of those nasty pks.

[Muaar]

DERP NO SAFETY ANYWHERE EVER HARAHARAJALKDJ I LOVE LVL 5 PVP AT THE BANK DEERUUURRRR

[Slave]

To answer an important question, EVERY NPC IN THE GAME is supposed to react against lower factioned players. Not just guards, not just guildmasters. This is why the Priest of Discord was feared and the source of a massive amount of lulz.

[Bazooka]

DERP NO SAFETY ANYWHERE EVER HARAHARAJALKDJ I LOVE LVL 5 PVP AT THE BANK DEERUUURRRR

You implied that I was stupid, I see what you did there.

[Clyve]

If you need guards you are a scrub, 'nuff said.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Also, fix the guards please... it's getting obnoxious.

[Zigfreed]

I'd just like to make the point that in sparkletoes's case they are reaping the just rewards of what they have sowed. One cannot be as big of a douchbag in as many areas as them and not expect everyone to have them on their list from level one onwards. I plead with you to move to BB so that I too can have the opportunity to deny you things.

One more +1 for faction meaning anything

[raptorak]

Guards really should be guarding imo.

Otherwise you might as well just call them necro food and have done with it.

[Flash]

this is super super lame that they do not. People will tell me to stop crying, go to blue, whatever. But truth is at lower levels you need guards so that a lvl 5 won't keep ganking you as a level 2.

That's the whole point of red. Either find a way to survive or go back to carebear land. Blue didn't hold your hand when you started out. Why should Red?

[Hangerbaby]

^^^^
While I've played quite a bit on Live in the past, I never actually sampled the PvP


??!

[Flash]

^^^^



??!

It's true. I was carebear back then. I only learned how to survive on the PvP front in other MMO's, namely Knight Online (the PvP there is pretty damn good for a free-to-play).

I may be a scrub in Everquest PvP, but I know better than to complain when things don't go my way. When you roll fresh on a PvP server, you're going to die, and die a lot. And if you don't expect to, you're either ignorant or insane. Either suck it up and learn from it, or go find your blanket and watch Sesame Street.

[Hangerbaby]

You take this way more seriously than I do

[Flash]

You take this way more seriously than I do

That's gonna be my guild name. Serious Business.

[xblade724]

xp deaths and guards not assisting? This isn't classic red. And I will QQ about this since the blue server was so persistent on keeping it classic .

[Bazooka]

xp deaths and guards not assisting? This isn't classic red. And I will QQ about this since the blue server was so persistent on keeping it classic .

1. xblade is a dumb forum name.
2. NOT CLASSIC is a dumb forum post.

[Flash]

1. xblade is a dumb forum name.
2. NOT CLASSIC is a dumb forum post.

This is xblade:

http://www.cantrip.org/images/stupid01.gif

[Ryba]

As the game stands, you cannot safely use platinum to buy or sell to a stranger. They can just jump you and take it anywhere. So it is a barter economy. That isn't even fun, let alone not classic.

The least safe spot in the game is your starting town. Once people are higher level, the least safe spot will be the area around the banks. You might think you're hardcore now when it means you shrug off your 10 silver loss and keep truckin, but wait til you get set back 2 hours of xp and all your plat right in front of your GM or banker.

Adding greater degrees of arbitrary difficulty does not make the game better.

[MrSparkle001]

As the game stands, you cannot safely use platinum to buy or sell to a stranger. They can just jump you and take it anywhere. So it is a barter economy. That isn't even fun, let alone not classic.

The least safe spot in the game is your starting town. Once people are higher level, the least safe spot will be the area around the banks. You might think you're hardcore now when it means you shrug off your 10 silver loss and keep truckin, but wait til you get set back 2 hours of xp and all your plat right in front of your GM or banker.

Adding greater degrees of arbitrary difficulty does not make the game better.

Pretty much. All these hardcore forum PvPers telling us to wipe away our tears don't understand what's being said here.

They also don't understand that this is not classic at all. Have half of these forum PvPers even played classic PvP? They're adding useless opinions. Yes, opinions of "deal with it, guards won't help you bluebie pussies" are useless, because that's not classic.

Unless it's almost impossible to fix, we will be seeing guards assist, maybe other NPCs doing the same, and anyone initiating an attack in their presence suffering faction hits.

It's more lawless right now than the wild west. It's fun at the early levels (well sometimes) but this problem has to be fixed ASAP.

[Prahadigm24]

Gotta agree, being slaughtered at the bank or in front of their GM will make many people quit. Please introduce this feature as soon as you can! Most of us don't want a low pop server.

[Tumdumm]

if guards attacked correctly someone would be bitchin right now about the guy who did faction quests all night & guards assisted him instead. Always somethin to complain about right?! who cares get over it

tldr version: whiners whine

[Akim]

Coming from someone who doesn't even know what classic is.

1971 chevelle

[Ryba]

It is funny how red servers breed a type of player that is mindlessly masochistic, who think anything that makes the game more unpleasant makes it cooler and there is no such thing as a valid complaint.

That is just like being retarded, only without the sympathy from others. This game really favors people who place a low value on hours of their own time, i.e. fat wage laborers with no prospects and wives who hate them. It is too bad they haven't made an MMO geared toward people who like themselves.

[Flash]

It is funny how red servers breed a type of player that is mindlessly masochistic, who think anything that makes the game more unpleasant makes it cooler and there is no such thing as a valid complaint.

That is just like being retarded, only without the sympathy from others. This game really favors people who place a low value on hours of their own time, i.e. fat wage laborers with no prospects and wives who hate them. It is too bad they haven't made an MMO geared toward people who like themselves.

The funny thing is, you guys already HAVE a classic server. It's called P99 Kunark. So essentially you guys are complaining about nothing, about a server that you don't even need to play on to get the experience you're looking for.

[LittleSorcerer7]

it is my server.

[Bazooka]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJAeeppf8fLboLqnweGr557WlQjHdUf 5CJHO52ZSVkSMk137bZ

[Slave]

This is a 100% true story:

Back in the old days, I told some troll in game that I was going to penetrate his mother's anus. My account was banned permanently.

I had to get on the damn phone, write emails, basically started a grassroots campaign to get my multiple level 50+ characters back. "You can actually say that on television," I told them. Total dickbag GMs... took me like a week to get my account reinstated.

Be THANKFUL AS HELL the officials here are infinitely more adult.

[LittleSorcerer7]

No news on it yet

[LittleSorcerer7]

=(

[skorge]

we need an ETA on this fix...hopefully they are working on it next...sucks hording your loot into town and praying nobody will gank you at a vendor or bank

[skorge]

The funny thing is, you guys already HAVE a classic server. It's called P99 Kunark. So essentially you guys are complaining about nothing, about a server that you don't even need to play on to get the experience you're looking for.

you realize this is a classic pvp server, right?

[MrSparkle001]

It's being worked on, it just might be a while.

[xblade724]

/sign

[Vandash]

Yeah this is fucking game breaking

Amazing that this wasn't fixed before release, this is one of the most basic and necessary mechanics for low lvl PvP.

Not only xp is super super slow to get, but you don't allow your low levels to get protections from guards... you really want everyone to quit after lvl 5 do you ?

[gnomishfirework]

Seriously, it's not that big a deal. I died after a very harrowing run to guards. I just made it and that's when I found out no assist.

I learned after that. I don't run to guards and die now. Its not been such a big deal.

[UrsusMajor]

Have you guys never played on a FFA PvP server where guards/npcs don't help? Seriously, you people bitching are a bunch of pussies.

You should have played Asheron's Call on their FFA PvP server Darktide.

No NPC help.
No bank.

Most people loved to pk in towns because you'd always hit someone up who was overburdened trying to sell after just coming back from a dungeon. They'd drop items and half of the money they had on them. If you got lucky they hopefully had sold a bunch of shit before you pk'd them so you'd make a ton of $.

Since there was no bank either, you had to mule everything you wanted to keep. Your mule could be killed and would drop some of your items if someone ever found your mule spot.

EQ FFA PvP is so much easier with guards that would attack and a bank. It's like fucking candyland compared to Darktide.

[Palemoon]

NPC's assisting or not assisting is about more then just pure pvp. It makes the world feel more alive, and brings more consequence to your characters actions. Makes diety choice more meaningful (faction boosts/penalties), and gives the player one more way to "customize" his character (always a good thing) by putting in the WORK to improve his faction with a certain set of NPCs.

Guilds can also coordinate their faction efforts to become the "heros of <insert city here>" and have a strong/safe base to operate from.

Anywas, its all around just a good thing. Maybe some customization is in order for pvp servers health sake. Like guards only assist when the faction levels of the two fighters are more then 2 steps apart, instead of the current old one step. I think that would be a good compromise. But the devils in that detail.

But it sounds like it is being worked on so thats good.

[Samoht]

Have you guys never played on a FFA PvP server where guards/npcs don't help?

No because it doesn't exist. The game you're describing is anything but EverQuest.

[pickled_heretic]

guards always assisted, it was pretty exploitable too. you could max your faction out in rivervale as a troll relatively easy and gank halflings inside rivervale with assistance from the guards.

a lot of people are talking about faction hits from killing players, afaik this was only ever on sullon zek and it shouldn't be here.

[Arclyte]

Faction hits for killing PCs was definately on tallon. I remember completely destroying my kelethin faction by murdering elves in gfay, but that was on team PvP.



I think unless the guards are dubious to you, they should aid you. Guards standing around watching someone get murdered in the street sounds retarded, faction or no.

[STRAY]

guards always assisted, it was pretty exploitable too. you could max your faction out in rivervale as a troll relatively easy and gank halflings inside rivervale with assistance from the guards.

a lot of people are talking about faction hits from killing players, afaik this was only ever on sullon zek and it shouldn't be here.

I'm pretty sure faction hits when killing someone in their starting city is classic...

[racist]

grow a fucking spine. this is literally a non issue.

[Nulek]

I'm pretty sure faction hits when killing someone in their starting city is classic...

It wasn't on rallos.

[Slave]

NPC's assisting or not assisting is about more then just pure pvp. It makes the world feel more alive, and brings more consequence to your characters actions. Makes diety choice more meaningful (faction boosts/penalties), and gives the player one more way to "customize" his character (always a good thing) by putting in the WORK to improve his faction with a certain set of NPCs.

Guilds can also coordinate their faction efforts to become the "heros of <insert city here>" and have a strong/safe base to operate from.


This much of your post is dead on.

Immersion and depth; these are the things that EverQuest has over every other game in the known universe, and it's the reason why we are still playing it today. Without them, you just have a very old, grindy, themepark treadmill of a game.

[Prahadigm24]

Seriously, it's not that big a deal. I died after a very harrowing run to guards. I just made it and that's when I found out no assist.

I learned after that. I don't run to guards and die now. Its not been such a big deal.

You get along with it and I get along with it, too. But that's not the point. I'm pretty sure that many players become frustrated with the guards not assisting at all. Would be a pity if the population dropped just because people are ganked at the banker or guild masters.

[Silentone]

guards should assist, but i mean we can survive...any word from dev's stand point on when to expect it? either way...having fun.

[Sithel1988]

this is so funny. i was cryin about this shit before the server released, gettin flamed left and right. now that the server is live, everyone else is crying about. and i 100% gaurantee that the server will keep dropping in population. not all of us are hardcore or whatever, with piss bottles and a mini fridge right next to you. would be nice to chill by a guard instead of going through the whole loading process allover again.

[HippoNipple]

Killing someone inside a city should take talent, be rare, and have consequences if you fuck it up. I just started and am only level 4 with some limited and odd playing times so honestly I haven't even seen this yet, but if noobs are just sitting around banks nuking people with no risk the system is stupid and broken, not hardcore.

[Snukie]

Killing someone inside a city should take talent, be rare, and have consequences if you fuck it up.
This!

[VanEyck]

I love pvp in towns. So obvious when people go from the bank straight to their spell vendors. Cha ching

[xblade724]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple
Killing someone inside a city should take talent, be rare, and have consequences if you fuck it up.This!

/sign

[Jong]

seeing a lot of cryfacing and 'lets all agree with each other to make our weak bluebie point see stronger' in this thread

I remember people getting destroyed by Kelethin bank on TZ back in 2000. This is not game breaking, this is easy to avoid. Don't run around with all your money on you. Don't afk out in the open. QQ more

[Softcore PK]

I remember people getting destroyed by Kelethin bank on TZ back in 2000.

That's because a lot of the time there are no guards standing at Kelethin bank. They just path through occasionally.

[gnomishfirework]

You get along with it and I get along with it, too. But that's not the point. I'm pretty sure that many players become frustrated with the guards not assisting at all. Would be a pity if the population dropped just because people are ganked at the banker or guild masters.

Yea, but they are gonna get ganked in much worse situations. I imagine anyone who leaves because of this, isnt likely to be around long regardless.

I think lots of people think "new server" not "new pvp server."

[raptorak]

Guards not assisting is totally retarded. They are guards for fucks sake. If I attack an npc they help out, why not a player?

Those supporting lack of guard support saying it makes the game harder have got this all wrong - they are the ones being bluebie as they are supporting PKing without consequences and risk, it makes the game EASIER. Guards not assisting gives them free reign to be dicks in towns and cities without the risk of getting jumped by guards. As things stand for PKs it takes far less skill to kill their victims and therefore anyone supporting lack of guard support is a no-skill cheap-ass bind-killing zone-plugging griefer like Jaredfromsubway and Manclubber - FUCK YOU TWO especially! :P

Fuckin bluebie pks - there should be faction hits as well! Yeh I'm mad. You mad bro?

[Humerox]

Killing someone inside a city should take talent, be rare, and have consequences if you fuck it up.

/thread

[aerokella]

Getting blinded at the bank with 50 plat on you sucks. Guards need to be classic and assist. Asshats are already camping banks making it virtually impossible to
Save money at lower levels.

[MrSparkle001]

seeing a lot of cryfacing and 'lets all agree with each other to make our weak bluebie point see stronger' in this thread

I remember people getting destroyed by Kelethin bank on TZ back in 2000. This is not game breaking, this is easy to avoid. Don't run around with all your money on you. Don't afk out in the open. QQ more

FYI, guard assist is being worked on so it's not like we're asking the devs to deviate from the original plan. We just want them to speed it up is all :)

[Snukie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYc05gZFly0

[Bazooka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxfpbyV-uc

[LittleSorcerer7]

So do guards attack yet?

[Envious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J4FVxupOkI

[gojita69]

+1

[SearyxTZ]

Is this something that will be implemented?

IMO should be at the top of priority list since guard/faction assist is pretty important on a red server.

On live you could feel somewhat safe sitting by a guard in your home city (or even going afk). Right now it is just like any other zone though and probably a particularly shitty experience for newbies/bluebies who get caught with their pants down in Qeynos while a nearby guard just chills.

[Taluvill]

Is this something that will be implemented?

IMO should be at the top of priority list since guard/faction assist is pretty important on a red server.

On live you could feel somewhat safe sitting by a guard in your home city (or even going afk). Right now it is just like any other zone though and probably a particularly shitty experience for newbies/bluebies who get caught with their pants down in Qeynos while a nearby guard just chills.

This. Sucks cause you cant bank atm for shit.

[Lazortag]

Sure you can bank, just call in the Spear first to vanquish those filthy heathen griefers whose only way to make money is to kill newbs while banking.

[Taluvill]

Hah. I can get my money in the bank no problem, just people red to you griefin people which succkkkss. Next spell level up makes a big difference

[bakkily]

it'll be added at sometime, though the qeynos area is safe, i see some pvp happening here or there

[Tassador]

remove guards from game. YOU SHOULD HAVE TO ZONE EVERYTIME OR DIE. please no other solutions....

[HippoNipple]

remove guards from game. YOU SHOULD HAVE TO ZONE EVERYTIME OR DIE. please no other solutions....

Zoning will not save you, you will have to just keep running while kiting along the way hoping to level up until you can turn around and kill pvper.

These bluebies just don't know how to be hardcore!!!!!

[Galilao]

http://4.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LnByb2plY3QxOTk5Lm9yZy9mb3J1bXMvaW1hZ2UucG hwP3M9YzhhMmFkNjJkMTFiMDFiMDZiNTIzOGJiNWQzMzc3NjQm dT01ODg5JmRhdGVsaW5lPTEyNzg3MDIyNzE%3D

[LittleSorcerer7]

pretty sure 1/2 the population died right off the start because of this.

[LittleSorcerer7]

If they made a new Red server with all the stuff already implemented that makes or breaks the server to a lot of people Id play on it again.

[nabsev]

Thanks for sharing

[SamwiseRed]

Play or die

[Arclyte]

pretty sure 1/2 the population died right off the start because of this.

no way man, killing lowbies for their spell money 10 feet from the bank was good pvp :rolleyes:

[mostbitter]

i never died to a guard assist or lack there of in this game. what a bunch of fucking pussies, also they still dont assist on dots

[LittleSorcerer7]

Just saying, part of classic red mechanics. I would love so much to play on a new red server if that stuff was all in ;) Good luck to everyone. Sincerely.

[LittleSorcerer7]

do it ill play

[Shrubwise]

Well, if he's going to play it, then I must insist we wipe the server.

[Beastro]

PvP assisting guards + Neriak Wine quest = much lovely griefing done goading newbie DEs into attacking my Troll at the ent.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Shrubwise has the right idea.