Lord of Pain's Khukri

[Mouse]

None of the iksar SK weapon quests should be available to any other race til long after luclin.

Just got a link to this weapon and its usable by all races, but should not be. Original looked like this.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f387/AexDestroy/khukri.png

[Fazlazen]

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[maximum]

Good find.

[Ele]

I approve this message

lol

Gonna be some sad panda SKs

[Zapatos]

I was getting the assumption that letting all the SK races use them was deliberate. It's pretty clear going by the commentary on the bottom of http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4589 that, at least throughout velious, they were iksar only. There are also several comments saying greenmist was supposed to be in, but that some 'bug' was preventing its completion. (Two seperate comments claim it was fixed, one on july 31, the other october 23)

Back to topic, you could look at a Jan 23 2001 at 12:29 PM post by "Anonymous" saying:

"It isnt a piercing weapon, it is 1HS weapon.
I am the first person on ANY server to get this weapon and the quest is not particularly difficult and it is a great weapon for mid level players, which can do the quest easily. I soloed most of it at level 51.
I do wish that VI had gotten it working sooner. though.
For a URL of the quest details go here:
http://forums.eqforge.com/shadowknight/showthread.php3?threadid=6258

Good luck and VI has said the quest after this (I think it is Greenmist) is broken currently."

So, even if it's supposed to be iksar only, if it wasn't in game due to the quest being bugged, should we even have it at all? Or, if it's in because it was intentional for that bug to be fixed from the get go, would the same apply to the Greenmist being available much much sooner, as if it were never bugged? (off topic again, heh, but you should see my point..)

[Mouse]

I was getting the assumption that letting all the SK races use them was deliberate. It's pretty clear going by the commentary on the bottom of http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4589 that, at least throughout velious, they were iksar only. There are also several comments saying greenmist was supposed to be in, but that some 'bug' was preventing its completion. (Two seperate comments claim it was fixed, one on july 31, the other october 23)

Back to topic, you could look at a Jan 23 2001 at 12:29 PM post by "Anonymous" saying:

"It isnt a piercing weapon, it is 1HS weapon.
I am the first person on ANY server to get this weapon and the quest is not particularly difficult and it is a great weapon for mid level players, which can do the quest easily. I soloed most of it at level 51.
I do wish that VI had gotten it working sooner. though.
For a URL of the quest details go here:
http://forums.eqforge.com/shadowknight/showthread.php3?threadid=6258

Good luck and VI has said the quest after this (I think it is Greenmist) is broken currently."

So, even if it's supposed to be iksar only, if it wasn't in game due to the quest being bugged, should we even have it at all? Or, if it's in because it was intentional for that bug to be fixed from the get go, would the same apply to the Greenmist being available much much sooner, as if it were never bugged? (off topic again, heh, but you should see my point..)


How does this in anyway address the item being iks or all races? The item wasn't changed to all races til after luclin. As far as I know the Greenmist was implemented with all races usable and it wasn't until then that the others were changed to all races. And Greenmist won't exist on this server.

[Fazlazen]

How does this in anyway address the item being iks or all races? The item wasn't changed to all races til after luclin. As far as I know the Greenmist was implemented with all races usable and it wasn't until then that the others were changed to all races. And Greenmist won't exist on this server.

you started well with your first post, but greenmist will be implemented in velious. It's documented somewhere on these boards, look it up.

[Mouse]

you started well with your first post, but greenmist will be implemented in velious. It's documented somewhere on these boards, look it up.

Ok so greenmist was implemented 42 days before luclin came out... If it releases on this server it will not be for a long time.

[uygi]

This has been discussed at length on this forum. Clearly the current setup is intentional.

[Mouse]

Doesn't make an ounce of sense why they would only correct some issues and not others. The item simply is not correct. It should be changed.

[Fazlazen]

This has been discussed at length on this forum. Clearly the current setup is intentional.

It actually hasn't been discussed at all.

Everyone assumed that greenmist, when released, would be Iks/SK only. This has been discussed.

People I spoke with thought that the lord of pain's khukri was all/SK. This is the first time I see a post about the Lord of pain's khukri being Iks/SK during this period of EQ live.

The purpose of this server is to recreate "classic live experience" as imagined by Verant. If it isn't the case and we are free to make items that should be usable by one race usable by all, then why don't we make the kunark armor usable by iksar as well. While we're at it, let's make every single item all/all and be done with it.

[Szeth]

The kunark armor argument isnt too strong. As the reason iksars cant use plate armor is their already superior ac/regen.

They don't receive any melee bonuses that I'm aware of so the sword isn't imbalanced so much as it just isn't CLASSIC.

Though I agree that all things should go classic if possible without to much trouble, that is the only argument that needs to be made. We shouldn't have to argue using ridiculous comparisons that don't really fit.

[Fazlazen]

It wasn't meant to be a strong argument, quite the contrary actually. I'm surprised you didn't catch on that...

It was meant to show that the "intentional current setup" proposal that uygi wants us to believe makes absolutely no sense.

[Szeth]

His main is an SK, and isn't an iksar. Do you expect him to argue rationally about something he knows he will lose should they change it(to the classic format)?

[uygi]

It actually hasn't been discussed at all.

Threads covering Khukri equippable races:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48187
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20494
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38256 (this one includes Fazlazen talking about Greenmist races with Zeelot...)
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23582
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18079

Evidence that Greenmist was originally Iksar only is plentiful and easy to find. I personally would be shocked if Nilbog didn't know about this. Why is it this way on P99? I don't know. Just like I don't know why pets can't dual wield without weapons. But it seems pretty ridiculous to assume that the devs really haven't noticed.

Fazlazen, your comments belong in RNF, if you'd please redirect them there.

[Fazlazen]

Obviously, anyone can quote anyone and have him say whatever they want.

What I said was that The Greenmist being Iksar only had been discussed alot already at lenght on this server. I also said that the khukri's being iksar had not been discussed "at lenght" as you put it. I only see it mentioned in one of the posts you are refering to, and there is no backup for the claim of the poster in that post.

In that regard, this post is the first to bring conclusive evidence of the khukri being iksar only.

Assuming that the devs know about everything on p99 and what is or isnt classic would'nt make much sense. After all, every week, multiple posts in the bug forum show that different game mechanics should or should not be in game.

Let me give you an example: Root breaking snare. This feature should have been in the game from day one on p99, yet this change was only made a few months ago. The list goes on and on.

I'm not really sure why there is any argument here, this item should be iksar only for the duration of the server. It is what it is, in classic. You can be sad about it, but this is the Bug forum.

[Fazlazen]

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[Fazlazen]

Link from January 22nd, 2001 to the 7th step of the crusader of greenmist quest:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010420012125/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/quest.html?quest=1202

The reward is linked there, and the weapon is then iksar only (see multiple replies from people as well as the screenshot of the lord of pain's khukri) :

http://web.archive.org/web/20010420012555/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/item.html?item=4589

Early 2000, when the quest had not been completely discovered, here is lucy's page on the so far discovered steps of the quest:

Crusaders of Greenmist: This is probably a quest for a shadowknight weapon called the unholy khukri of Rile. When you hail Lord Qyzar ( you see him when you get teleported to the top of the castle ) he says " What is the year of our birth and the name of our father ? " When you ask him about the greenmist he also says " What ? Have you stumbled upon the ancient weapon of the father ? Do not fill my ears with such knowledge. it can only be delivered to the ears of the Arch Duke. Go at once and speak to him. So, go ask Arch Duke Xog about the crusaders of greenmist and he says: "Arch Duke Xog appears surprised at your words, You know of greenmist ? the unholy khukri of Rile ?. We once had knowledge of this weapon , but when our great cities were destroyed in 1056 A.G. so to were all the great libraries. we lost all records. An explorer named [ Argest ] claimed to have found one library still intact. pure babble. If you then asked. " who is argest ? " he says " Once a lord of pain. Argest is now a great explorer. no lizard has seen more of Kunark than he. He returned on season ago to tell tales of a [ Ancient Library ]. He said that it was there he would find a tome which could reveal the location of the ancient crusader weapon , Greenmist. if asked " what ancient library ? " he goes on about that there was many libraries that are now destroyed by beast or nature that are in the outlands. If you ask " Where is Argest ? " he says" Alas our chance of locating greenmist is lost as long as Argest remains missing. Reports have come in from the Legion's Deep Range Patrols that he may be in the Frontier Mountain Range. At least that is where the patrol captain found Argest's walking staff. He might have been captured, killed or even digested.' I'm not sure where it goes from here.


Crusader's Test of the Pawn: This is the first shadowknight test. Lord Gikzic in the Temple of Terror hands you a Sarnak Head Pack, and asks you to fill it with four Sarnak Heads (Dropped by Sarnka Hatchlings in the Lake of Ill Omen) and return it with your khukri of the pawn to acquire the Khukri of the Knave (5/26 -- Iks Sk only). (Submitted by Muse)

Crusader's Test of Pain: This is the second shadowknight test. After completing the test of the Pawn, Lord Gikzic then mentions a greater matter. This is the tome "The Origins of Pain" that was stolen by froglok raiders. You are given one page of the tome and told to collect the other 10 pages and the binder from the raiders. These pages and the binder drop from Froglok Raiders which spawn near the Iksar Bandit Camp in the Swamp of No Hope. Each page looks the same and is a lore item, so you just have to keep killing them until you get all ten. I would imagine identify will differentiate them as well. You then combine the pages in the binder and return the tome and knave's khukri to Gikzic and you will get a Squire's Khukri.

Crusader's Third Test: I don't know the details, but it should result in a Knight's Khukri.

http://web.archive.org/web/20000511085510/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/

with the squire's khukri being iksar only:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000511085510/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/

[Fazlazen]

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[Gmal]

U mad Zee gets to use that sword aye? =-)

Sabbath

[Szeth]

He is mad every single SK on the server that can be used in raids other than Sentenza can use this sword.

[Fazlazen]

He is mad every single SK on the server that can be used in raids other than Sentenza can use this sword.

and my boy Serpator.

[Szeth]

Didn't know others existed, lul.

[Fazlazen]

Didn't know others existed, lul.

The fear is strong in him, too.

[kanras]

All Khukris are IKS only, pending update.

[Szeth]

Fazlazen, mighty slayer of SK hopes and dreams.

[Xatava]

Faz confirmed big meanie

[Xadion]

Eh everyone can use Greenmist at the end so it really dont matter :-P well like a month or so after greenmist was released that is, I belive it was iks only for alittle bit.

[uygi]

Eh everyone can use Greenmist at the end so it really dont matter :-P well like a month or so after greenmist was released that is, I belive it was iks only for alittle bit.

Other races couldn't use Greenmist until post-Luclin.

I wonder if the quest will also get fixed at the same time?

[Zeelot]

All Khukris are IKS only, pending update.


Noooooo! :p

[Xadion]

Other races couldn't use Greenmist until post-Luclin.

I wonder if the quest will also get fixed at the same time?

Greenmist was not in game untill quite later than many feel...was it kunark even? if so very end or later... I am sure there is a patch note somewhere that says exactly when it was put in. It was then added to all SKs once we all QQed nuff to SOE to realize that if we did the faction we should be able to use it...that ot take inny curse away from iksars and just give them greenmist :-D

[Gibcarver]

If you guys think that is a screenshot yall are all a bunch of noobs. Allas took a standard background and typed in stats. I knew a DE sk on live with greenmist, it was added the same patch that added the herald in chardok during velius erra. That supposed link on alla's was typed in based off of someone's account of the stats just like half the items there. The only limiter on the race for the thing was the faction. turning in 7200 bonechips for iksar faction wasn't the thing to do at the time so it seemed iksar only, but there were people that both knew about khukri and ground out the faction to get it. Remember at this time links did no exist all stats were typed by hand.
Very disappointing.

[Kharzette]

As someone who ground out the faction on a very low level sk (I gained like a dozen levels just from quest turnins over the many weeks it took), I am probably a bit biased. I don't play often but I was a bit sad when I noticed I couldn't equip my Crusader's Khukri.

Getting there as a person without a high level character to lean on or vast sums of money was a monumental task. I hope everyone can appreciate the gravity of such a change, especially on such thin evidence.

I'll ask around about this and see what I can find. I don't really trust those alla images. I was around back then but I was busy raiding and didn't do an iksar alt.

[Ele]

http://www.albrandes.com/skden/quests/showquest.asp?Quest=56

The Shadowknight Den lists it as IKS only.

First entry on the wayback machine is May 2003

http://web.archive.org/web/20030504081122/http://www.albrandes.com/skden/quests/showquest.asp?Quest=56

[Kharzette]

Ok I talked to my friend that practically IS an iksar he remembers so much from that time. He said the weapons were indeed iksar only. This makes me very sad that I didn't look into this before spending all of that time.

He also said the "I lost my weapon" quests weren't in for a long time. And that the tradeskill combines weren't no fail (I don't remember any though, maybe he's talking about shaman or warrior).

We had a big fat troll shadowknight in our guild in those days, and I remember him doing faction very early, even before we were in veeshan's peak (and we got some of the first kills in there). I'll try to track him down and see what he says as well.